Congratulations meh! References to the site include an explicit/NSFW warning
19I was cruising my usual deals sites this morning and saw todays deal posted as an Editors' Choice on dealnews (Congrats on the EC designation) Reading the description, I was surprised by the following warning;
Also note that Meh.com contains harsh language (unsuitable for work, children, people with delicate sensibilities or good taste) on its product pages.
So I think an additional congratulates is in order for the meh team. What a fantastic accomplishment. I don't ever recall seeing this warning accompany any other deal posted on that site.
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Yeah, I love meh, but I just don't get the language thing. It's like watching a great movie that is ruined by too many f-bombs. It's like the girlfriend you will never introduce to your parents because of her face tattoos. Maybe the environment is why people love meh, but I doubt people would stop visiting due to a lack of profanity. On the flip side, there are people who won't visit or promote the site because of it.
@phatmass It is a real shame there aren't any other shopping sites on the internet, so you have to keep returning to one that offends you so. Maybe if you whine really loudly about it it'll change.
@phatmass There's a "too many f-bombs" now? Weird.
@Starblind It doesn't offend me. I'm a grown man. You completely missed the point. Watching an r-rated movie doesn't offend me, but I wouldn't let my kids watch it--and I wouldn't NOT go to the movie just because it wasn't rated r.
@phatmass I curse a lot in casual speech (it's part of my social group's dynamic) but rarely in writing. Occasionally it will provide emphasis in the same manner it does when spoken, but it's mostly a waste of time to curse in writing. It's a bit distracting here, I have assumed that it will die down once people get over the novelty.
@phatmass tell us more about this girlfriend of yours, it sounds like there's a good story there
@phatmass "It's like watching a great movie that is ruined by too many f-bombs." "It doesn't offend me. I'm a grown man." These two statements do not compute. You're a grown-up and not offended, yet you'd consider an otherwise "great" movie "ruined" because of cursing. You'd better stay far away from Tarantino, Scorsese, Coppola, hell, even Spielberg.
All I'm saying is there is a reason why PG-13 movies make about double the money of R rated movies, despite the fact that there is just as many R rated movies released. If meh is about making money, it makes little business sense. If meh is more about building a community, then I totally get it.
@Starblind So, you think that in order for something to be undesirable, it must be offensive. Interesting... "I don't like sprinkles on my donuts... Those sprinkles are so offensive!!!"... Are you a liberal?
@Starblind I disagree. There is a time and a purpose for expletives, but quite a lot of the time they are used as filler because the dialogue is weak. Expletives lose their value when overused. If everyfucking thing you fucking say includes the word fuck then it isn't an F-bomb, it's a meaningless and all but invisible word just taking up airtime. Whereas if you reserve it for truly important occasions it retains its punch.
@phatmass Uh, you are aware that PG-13 (and PG) movies have cursing too? And in fact studios often add cursing to movies specifically to avoid G & PG for stuff that isn't specifically marketed as a kids' movie? Back on the topic of Meh, it's been stated many times that while I'm sure they love to make a buck just like everyone, profit isn't the main goal especially at the cost of community. Indeed, putting profit before community is what killed Woot, mostly due to amazon meddling, and they'd never make that mistake twice.
@phatmass While we're at it, I just did a quick glance at the IMDB top 10 movies: 7 out of 10 of those are rated R, including 6 of the top 7 and all of the top 3. Funny, it doesn't seem cursing ruins great movies for anyone else, I guess it's just you.
@phatmass No opinions for you!
Ugh, this again? Maybe put a note in the suggestion box asking that they put an option on the site to filter out swear words. Like something that turns shit into s--t and fuck into f--k and so forth? FWIW, I don't mind the profanity, I fuckin love it.
@jsh139 There's already browser extensions that do exactly that and work on every site rather than just Meh, which makes the whining over it even more pointless. By not filtering it, phatmass is essentially choosing to see it.
@Starblind C'mon, people, time for a group hug!
@editorkid Well, they're certainly doing something as a group, but I don't think it's hugging. Hopefully those things aren't hard to clean.
@Starblind That's cool!
@Starblind I think this activity is putting the "adult" in "adult diapers."
@Starblind Again, you miss the point. IMDB has nothing to do with how much money movies make. I agree, some of the best movies are rated R. But if you look at the top ten grossing movies of 2014, only one of them is rated R. I just figure this being a sales site, the primary goal was to make sales.
@Starblind You're continuing to miss @phatmass's point and making an ass out of yourself in the process. He never stated he was offended by the language on meh. He even started his post with the words "Yeah, I love meh". His argument is that meh could probably do without the profanities and improve their outreach by doing so. That's it. Boom. Quit ur bitchin.
@phatmass Meh is a sort of sales site, but the real focus is on content and community. Too much of a focus on sales is what killed Woot, and Meh has learned that lesson up close. Besides, an edgy and different non-corporate writing style actually IS good for business, as shown by the fact that the original product that had "fuck" in the description (speaker docks, what else?) was also the first thing on Meh to sell out completely. I won't say that was entirely thanks to the word "fuck", but it's clear that it didn't hurt and was an early brand-identity building moment.
We would rather appeal to less people that understand and appreciate how we run things without changing what we want to do than appeal to a wider audience and sell more.
@JonT Well, there you have it. I get it. Like I said, bad words don't keep me from buying junk. It just keeps me from telling my grandma to come here to buy junk. So... you love me, but hate my grandma. I'm cool with that.
@phatmass shrug The first thing my mom bought was a Speaker Dock. She said she liked the story.
@JonT I think your mom and my grandma should fight.
@JonT It's funny how in the last week or two I've been hearing comments from managers of stores that show they understand the customer, and while you may not be a manager in the same since you have spoken just as wise words.
@phatmass Fact : Some people don't like Science Fiction. Fact 2 : Everybody watches TV shows that are not science fiction. Conclusion : Star Trek should not be science fiction. Somebody should go tell Paramount Pictures that they're leaving money on the table.
@phatmass Or, less sarcastically : Meh is not trying to compete with WalMart. They're trying to reach a niche audience and make them LOVE the site. (For a small company, It's better to have a small number of people who love you than a large number of people who don't hate you.)
@JonT
The whole concept of offensive words baffles me. Words only have as much power as you give them. If you're offended by a naughty word, you only have yourself to blame.
@medz
"DAMN IT! Why didn't I concur???"
@medz yourself and @studerc to blame
@medz Yes, words in and of themselves are only arbitrary collections of letters and sounds, but they hold their power through a collective consensus of the ideas they symbolize not just individual intentions. Otherwise, communication wouldn't work. I call a tree a tree because that is the accepted symbol in English for that big tall green thing outside, not just because that's the meaning I wanted to attribute to it. I could call it a cloud but then someone might go climb it looking for naked pictures. In the same vein, I can walk up to you and say "hi" but pronounce it "hey, fuck you," but I don't get to be surprised when you get pissed because that word carries a whole history of offensive use along with my innocuous intentions
@medz
@Kleineleh I get how words have meanings and that's how communication works, but I can still insult you without using swear words. "Hey, fuck you!" could be said with the same meaning and emphasis as "Hey, forget you!" and yet one is allowed on TV while the other is not. Why? Same meaning, but one word is taboo for some reason.
@medz Right. When "fuck" is offensive but "f*ck" is not, then it's the "u" that's offensive.
@editorkid Exactly. The sentiment is the same and that's what you should be offended by regardless of wording/spelling/obfuscation. Words are just innocent words.
@medz I hope that didn't sound condescending. I didn't mean it that way, just going for a simplified illustration. I think the reason one word is considered worse than the other is because one has a more offensive (in the sense of offense vs. defense) connotation and is thus considered more offensive (in the sense of "I'm offended) when you consciously choose it over words with tamer connotations. But yes, there really are much better ways to insult people.
@editorkid I agree. I think it's stupid that you can stick an asterisk in there and suddenly everything changes
@Kleineleh Nah, we're cool. Who gets to decide which words are considered "tame" though? I guess that's the part I don't get. It's as though swear words exist just so we can crank it up to 11 when we really need to get someone's attention.
@medz gosh dang it you have a freaking point (or perhaps people would start giving a crap about these tamer varieties?)
Well, that sure sounds like a backhanded compliment if I ever heard one.
I do hope it's just me misreading the tone of the OP, but it sure sounds like @jimmyd103 is snarking it up just a wee bit.
I, for one, embrace our Meh overlords, and frequently visit the site at work (I really don't see how the site is actually NSFW). I actually don't swear, myself, but I take no issue with the colourful language of others. And, to be frank, a site that tells it like it is, is quite refreshing.
Long live Meh! (and if I misunderstood the tone, then I'm sorry, @jimmyd103)
@curtise It's you completly misunderstanding the tone. <3 meh and all its mehness. Rereading my comment, I could see how it might be misleading.
@jimmyd103 Ok, phew! :) Asshats all around: <3 <3 <3
@jimmyd103 I admit, I read it that way at first too. Glad you clarified and that you still stand for hilarity, cursing, and the amehrican way.
@Starblind How could you not enjoy "I don't care" mehntality around here? My post was meant to be a compliment not a snarky jab.
@curtise I am forever going to see these <3 as asshats now. Thank you for that!
@Thumperchick I didn't get that the first time I read it but I will also only see an asshat from now on! <3 <3 <3
@Thumperchick @jimmyd103 I have worn the asshat with pride for many years! <3 I'm very glad to share it with you and others and I hope it continues to catch on!
This video is so meh.
Aw geez. I came in all ready to let off a celebratory string of expletives, but some of you have successfully pooped all over the parade. Darn it.
Yeah, I think it's refreshing and otherwise good and I try to do my part to keep the language colorful. NSFW? Heck, it's what makes work tolerable.
I always ask myself, WTFWJS? Considering that he was a carpenter hanging out with fishermen, harlots and tax collectors, I'm pretty sure Jesus swore like a motherfucker.
TL;DR: Fuck yeah!
Fuck fuckity fuck fuck
@Trailmix
@jimmyd103 The sad part is I'm guessing that Mr Garrison would like that very much.
I'm so fucking proud of this little site. You've come a long way baby!
Words hurt...
@BillLehecka ...my butthole.
You must be conversing with some real Close Talkers
Some background on language is appropriate here History of the F word ....
This shit again?
@Thumperchick The menopause image behind the banner made me spit out my water. It's shit like that, that makes me love this site...
congrats @meh!
why thank you @y
Why the fuck is everyone talking about not saying fuck?
@smilingjack WELL @JimmyD103 felt the need to be sarcastic and @phatmass didn't get that (well most others didn't get it either) but well things were said and people defended and it all went downhill from there
@smilingjack yeah it's all my effin fault!
@jimmyd103 no that's @Studerc fault as our scapegoat of the month
Thanks for the cue @Foxborn It was all my fault. My bad, everyone! My bad.
@studerc just making sure credit goes where credit's due
@studerc I think what you meant to say was, "Bleat."
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I'd rather hang out here than in that other place, which seems unable to keep itself from saying SHIRTSTORM again and again and again. It wasn't funny the first time, even.
@gertiestn I thought it was pretty funny.
@gertiestn Yeah I thought it was funny as well
Gratuitous 4 letter words just flung out to shock. Funny on occasion, but geeze, the way it's done here by some is just boring. Try to put it in some sentence structure that could approach being anything other than infantile. Funny and intelligent are not mutually exclusive.
@Klozitshopper Be the change you wish to see.
@Klozitshopper "Fuck" and intelligent also aren't mutually exclusive.
I'd probably get on meh more if there was less cursing. Not because I care, but because my workplace does.
@mrosem14 As a mediocre CEO I remain properly ambivalent on actual cursing but solidly against unnecessary rules. I'm curious about other demographics about a company that would allow it's employees to be entertained & shop online but only if the site was rated G language. Care to share more?
@snapster At my workplace, it doesn't matter if during lunch or a quick break if I check meh for a few minutes, but I try to stay away from sites that are full of cursing, etc at work as a professionalism type thing. It just doesn't jive well. It's not explicitly ruled out, but it'd be toeing the line a little.
@snapster My workplace is totally fine with it. Years ago I read our official online use policy that effectively said that we are expected to do good things in general, and that they would rather us do our online shopping and banking and whatnot at our desks rather than leave and go shopping or banking or whatnot. They also had explicitly liberal policies to say that we are all adults and if you click on a link and a lascivious image or video (nudity or whatnot) were to pop up, simply close that window and surf on, no harm no foul. No issues with text content. Progressive companies are cool.
@curtise Sounds like the place you work has common sense, which appears to be a rare thing these days. Congrats and I'm glad you enjoy where you work!
@mrosem14 fair enough. I mean there's certainly an ick-factor line I wouldn't cross, I was just surprised to consider it anywhere near "I can't visit youtube because commentators are crude"
@mrosem14 I've recommended this site to other employees of my firm, while at work, and encouraged them to buy things. I actively recommend the original speaker dock writeup as an example of how meh's different and interesting.
@snapster Well, I'm a career counselor on a college campus so that professionalism thing is more important than many other places I'd imagine. Trying to practice what I preach and all that.
@mrosem14 Everyone knows you can't get a job if you say bad words.
I wonder if The NY Times represents the ultimate high-road in published language. Would those against written profanity agree? Every time they make an exception it makes news and yet they also make news for not using descriptors when they should.
This is a fun example of the latter: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/does-the-times-have-its-act-together-on-vulgar-language/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
@snapster At what point does all this talking in generalities diminish or completely fail at getting a point across? It's absolutely insane that a news organization would sacrifice conveying a fact or point to avoid using a vulgar word.
Another point of public conversation that might be interesting to expand the topic here: David Ortiz and his Boston Marathon commentary.
http://theweek.com/article/index/243064/why-the-fcc-isnt-upset-about-david-ortizs-boston-red-sox-f-bomb
direct linkage to the youtube video (which I find interesting that they are advertising in front of)
I think you are perhaps referring to mainstream media and what could be considered as isolated words to express a thought or feeling rather than a page of "fuck, fuck, etc). Your references herein of course make sense to me and to most I would imagine, and surely you of all people know the difference. Does reading four letter words offend me greatly? No. Can Meh still be edgy and successful in being different from the run of the mill site, you bet. I think your examples above do not convey in any way the difference between what is considered funny and edgy here. And I know with your brilliant mind you know darned well the difference. Your site, your choice. I will continue to be here, but I do appreciate the opportunity to express my 2 cents worthiness support of those who believe as I do that the approach could be considered tasteless.
Fuck Yeah....we're on our way to being #1
When a telemarketer calls (you know the kind where you say "hello?" and no one answers because you're being transferred to another script that tells you to press 1 for a live agent?) While I'm getting transferred I head over to Youtube, get this video going, and put the phone up to the speaker. It's fun.
@lisaviolet AWESOME
I pooped today!
clearly we've made it - here's our first novelty account!
@Everbody I guess that book title is accurate: Everybody Poops.
@Everbody Are you the Everybody who wrote the book?
@Everbody I dunno if this is true just yet, still early enough in the day that everybody may not have...yet.
@Everbody If I would have know I'd be chatting with a celebrity today, I would have wore a different pair of pants!
@Everbody Is that all you do?
Does it bother anyone else that there's a 'y' missing? Or was it intentional? What is an everbody? Should I be concerned?
@PurplePawprints Nice catch by you. At first I thought it was taken and that's why they did it. But it appears to be available. * runs off to create an 'Everybody' account.
@Everbody you get blamed for more things than all goats combined. Plus, all the peer pressure!
@Everbody Oh yeah? Well, I just shipped my pants!
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