@IndifferentDude I am not what I eat, since what I eat includes things that eat grass. Other bits “eat” nutrients in dirt. I will not say that I eat anything that doesn’t run fast enough, because over thirty years with cats has yet to result in one of them ending up in the stew pot.
There are many, many other things I would try in this lifetime before I stop eating meat as 250,000 years of biologically driven evolution dictates we homo sapiens do.
My sister’s trying to nudge me towards it but not succeeding. I don’t eat a lot of meat but I don’t want to give it up completely, and I want to have dairy and eggs.
@Kyeh I LOVE Dairy! Pretty much every Morning! But the Eggs are in stuff I eat, in other words I don’t eat eggs directly! BUT I do Cow, Pig, Chicken & Fish!
We did it for a while. It was okay. The food was fine, and some was great. Getting enough protein wasn’t that hard, though doing it without soy (which apparently mimics estrogen biologically? Anyway the cancer people said avoid soy basically forever) was kind of a pain back then. It’d be a bit less so now. I think all of us actually gained weight (turns out eating a lot of vegetables is still the same thing as eating a lot of food). The food prep time was fairly moderate most of the time but could be excessive (but that’s not necessarily unique). Getting some other nutrients was apparently harder (my doctor wasn’t complaining but some others were) and vitamins weren’t cutting it. I don’t remember offhand what all else contributed to us going back to meat and whatnot. It didn’t fix anything but wasn’t breaking anything too badly either. Steaks were nice to come back to, though. And bacon.
@jsfs B12 is really hard to get enough of when eating vegan due to it mostly comes from meat. Don’t get enough and you have all sorts of neuropathy issues amongst other things. You’d need to get shots of it if you are low enough (although taking a suppliment - provided what is in there is really what is in there at the alleged dose on the bottle - not regulated and testing over and over documents much of what is out there isn’t what they say it is or isn’t at the dose or both).
As far as the soy, I was told the same thing with my second Breast Cancer which was 100% ER pos due to how it mimics estrogen in your body.
When I worked in outdoor adventure I worked at a one place where the cook was extreme vegan (no dairy either) and by default that meant the rest of us too. She didn’t even allow staff to put meat, etc. in the fridge or cook it in the kitchen. A lot of what she served sucked bricks. Tasted like cardboard or had way too much spice tossed in the mix. There is no way I’d voluntarily eat that way again. I want to like the food I eat. Of course you also end up mostly eating that way when camping as canned meat is heavy so you don’t carry much.
At one place the grocery store was 4.5 hours away. Someone was headed to town to shop for 100 people for the week (no food delivery due to where we were located - at the end of a 1.5 track logging road). Two Australians working there asked someone to pick them up big macs and fries. So they snuck them into the oven on a cookie sheet with the styrofoam container still on it (pre microwave days). They came back to check on them and thanks us who were sitting in the kitchen (I was an instructor, not a cook) for taking the stuffs out of the containers. Nope we hadn’t. Heat had melted them. They were so desperate for meat they ate the burgers anyway. I understood that, but I would have picked out the burger and tossed the bun and tossed the fries.
@adamsandler I saw a news story that “meatless meat” sales were seriously declining after a peak (passing fad?) a few years ago. I’m sure products like that will still be here but not everywhere in your face as was pushed before.
One big problem with the commercial meatless products is that they are highly processed and contain a LOT of sodium. I haven’t been advised by doctors to avoid meat, but I have been warned to reduce sodium as much as possible, and that’s just basically not possible with processed foods. That includes all meatless products I’ve seen, and also things like pre-made turkey or salmon burgers. Plus I don’t actually enjoy excessively salty foods (though I use some salt myself in my own cooking, carefully and usually a high quality salt, perhaps a smoked salt or infused salt).
@adamsandler@pmarin I actually like alternative meats. Some of them. And not because they’re closer to real beef/etc, but because they’re good for what they are.
Morningstar is my go-to: they have the least salts and are tasty for what they are (because they’re not trying to be exactly like what their mimicking). e.g. the popcorn nuggets don’t pull apart like white meat nuggets, but have a savory taste like dark meat nuggets while just being a ball of beans with well seasoned breading.
Seitan is always fun (textured/fried thin tofu layers put together like a lasagna).
And of course borscht stews are always comfort cold weather food (potatoes have a lot to do with it).
@adamsandler@OnionSoup I tried the Impossible Burgers the first time I saw them sold at the grocery store. They were really expensive. And although they tasted pretty good, the smell was so off putting! Once it was cooked the smell went away, but it ruined it for me just the same. Bleah .
I’ve seen some… Militant vegans. They’re definitely a turn off.
Personally I’ll never give up animal products (milk, honey). I’m still pretty strongly attached to eggs. But again, the biggest hang-up for me are the ones who are jerks about being vegan. (Which really applies to anything in life.)
I’m not vegan,.or even vegetarian, but the thought of eating meat from animals does disturb me… Even though I do it, and I enjoy it, I don’t like to think about it.
Honestly, if I lived by myself as a bachelor I probably
would make an effort to give Vegetarianism a try (or at least try to cut back as much meat as I could… I wouldn’t be the kind to tell subway they have to disinfect everything before making me a veggie sandwich after someone’s ham sandwich… Or turning down meat from a host who didn’t know I was vegetarian.
What doesn’t make me go vegetarian is my family is not vegetarian and I don’t want to force inconvenience on them.
I don’t think I could go full vegan… In part because I think animals like bees and dairy cows are supported by humans and there is a symbiotic relationship there.
If you’re a vegan and you think bees and dairy cows have it rough, that’s fine, that’s your decision, and good on you for sticking by your conviction… But I don’t.
If cultured meat (meat grown from cells of animals) becomes wide spread and affordable, I would in a heartbeat switch to cultured meat from meat that was living animals.
Heck, if they made it available, I’d love to try all sorts of things… panda, elephant, mongoose, etc… again assuming it was cultured meat not from actual animals.
Cows eat grass and I eat Cows
so that means I’m a Vegan!!
/giphy juicy steak
@IndifferentDude I love the Logic!. I wold agree with you 100%. the same goes for Chicken & Fish (as they eat natural stuff) !
@IndifferentDude @mycya4me Yes dedication works.
@IndifferentDude I am not what I eat, since what I eat includes things that eat grass. Other bits “eat” nutrients in dirt. I will not say that I eat anything that doesn’t run fast enough, because over thirty years with cats has yet to result in one of them ending up in the stew pot.
There are many, many other things I would try in this lifetime before I stop eating meat as 250,000 years of biologically driven evolution dictates we homo sapiens do.
I love vegetables, especially with some bacon drippings or cheese sauce.
Daughter and her fam are vegan ergo I am a ‘casual’ vegan (as is SWMBO).
My daughter tried it for a while.
I didn’t. Steak. Bacon. Pizza with sausage. More bacon. I consume them.
not really interested in going full on vegan, but would be down for cutting way back on animal products for health and ethics
My sister’s trying to nudge me towards it but not succeeding. I don’t eat a lot of meat but I don’t want to give it up completely, and I want to have dairy and eggs.
@Kyeh I LOVE Dairy! Pretty much every Morning! But the Eggs are in stuff I eat, in other words I don’t eat eggs directly! BUT I do Cow, Pig, Chicken & Fish!
We did it for a while. It was okay. The food was fine, and some was great. Getting enough protein wasn’t that hard, though doing it without soy (which apparently mimics estrogen biologically? Anyway the cancer people said avoid soy basically forever) was kind of a pain back then. It’d be a bit less so now. I think all of us actually gained weight (turns out eating a lot of vegetables is still the same thing as eating a lot of food). The food prep time was fairly moderate most of the time but could be excessive (but that’s not necessarily unique). Getting some other nutrients was apparently harder (my doctor wasn’t complaining but some others were) and vitamins weren’t cutting it. I don’t remember offhand what all else contributed to us going back to meat and whatnot. It didn’t fix anything but wasn’t breaking anything too badly either. Steaks were nice to come back to, though. And bacon.
@jsfs B12 is really hard to get enough of when eating vegan due to it mostly comes from meat. Don’t get enough and you have all sorts of neuropathy issues amongst other things. You’d need to get shots of it if you are low enough (although taking a suppliment - provided what is in there is really what is in there at the alleged dose on the bottle - not regulated and testing over and over documents much of what is out there isn’t what they say it is or isn’t at the dose or both).
As far as the soy, I was told the same thing with my second Breast Cancer which was 100% ER pos due to how it mimics estrogen in your body.
I do eat Cow, Pig, Chicken & Fish! I LOVE Milk, Ice Cream (during warmer months, NOT colder ones)
Oh I will eat a salad a couple times a Month!
When I worked in outdoor adventure I worked at a one place where the cook was extreme vegan (no dairy either) and by default that meant the rest of us too. She didn’t even allow staff to put meat, etc. in the fridge or cook it in the kitchen. A lot of what she served sucked bricks. Tasted like cardboard or had way too much spice tossed in the mix. There is no way I’d voluntarily eat that way again. I want to like the food I eat. Of course you also end up mostly eating that way when camping as canned meat is heavy so you don’t carry much.
At one place the grocery store was 4.5 hours away. Someone was headed to town to shop for 100 people for the week (no food delivery due to where we were located - at the end of a 1.5 track logging road). Two Australians working there asked someone to pick them up big macs and fries. So they snuck them into the oven on a cookie sheet with the styrofoam container still on it (pre microwave days). They came back to check on them and thanks us who were sitting in the kitchen (I was an instructor, not a cook) for taking the stuffs out of the containers. Nope we hadn’t. Heat had melted them. They were so desperate for meat they ate the burgers anyway. I understood that, but I would have picked out the burger and tossed the bun and tossed the fries.
Reduce meat, sure. Too erratic in eating patterns to be able to do it safely. Got other issues going on.
I had a glass of water one time.
@capnjb
“I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do in it.”
― W.C. Fields
@chienfou Tell me how old you are without telling me how old you are
If I ever turned vegan, id try vegan meat but it’s bad. Big meat lover
@adamsandler I saw a news story that “meatless meat” sales were seriously declining after a peak (passing fad?) a few years ago. I’m sure products like that will still be here but not everywhere in your face as was pushed before.
One big problem with the commercial meatless products is that they are highly processed and contain a LOT of sodium. I haven’t been advised by doctors to avoid meat, but I have been warned to reduce sodium as much as possible, and that’s just basically not possible with processed foods. That includes all meatless products I’ve seen, and also things like pre-made turkey or salmon burgers. Plus I don’t actually enjoy excessively salty foods (though I use some salt myself in my own cooking, carefully and usually a high quality salt, perhaps a smoked salt or infused salt).
@adamsandler @pmarin I actually like alternative meats. Some of them. And not because they’re closer to real beef/etc, but because they’re good for what they are.
Morningstar is my go-to: they have the least salts and are tasty for what they are (because they’re not trying to be exactly like what their mimicking). e.g. the popcorn nuggets don’t pull apart like white meat nuggets, but have a savory taste like dark meat nuggets while just being a ball of beans with well seasoned breading.
Seitan is always fun (textured/fried thin tofu layers put together like a lasagna).
And of course borscht stews are always comfort cold weather food (potatoes have a lot to do with it).
@adamsandler I like some of the alternatives, like black bean burgers are actually good. Partially because they don’t try to be meat
it’s fake meat which is bad. There are good vegetarian foods… Fake meat is not one of them.
@adamsandler @OnionSoup Chili’s used to have a really good black bean burger, but the last time I was in there, the waitron had never heard of it.
@adamsandler @OnionSoup I tried the Impossible Burgers the first time I saw them sold at the grocery store. They were really expensive. And although they tasted pretty good, the smell was so off putting! Once it was cooked the smell went away, but it ruined it for me just the same. Bleah
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I do, once or twice a week. Tofu stir-fry is my favorite. Hummus and falafel can be good as well. But back to carnivore the rest of the week.
I’ve had some delicious vegan meals and I would definitely eat them again, but I will never “go vegan.” That shit’s exhausting.
/giphy going vegan
https://shirt.woot.com/offers/eat-more-meat
I’ve seen some… Militant vegans. They’re definitely a turn off.
Personally I’ll never give up animal products (milk, honey). I’m still pretty strongly attached to eggs. But again, the biggest hang-up for me are the ones who are jerks about being vegan. (Which really applies to anything in life.)
/giphy vegan police pilgrim
Giphy really doesn’t like being specific
https://giphy.com/gifs/ta-organize-QJPEyiayCLQoU
I’m not vegan,.or even vegetarian, but the thought of eating meat from animals does disturb me… Even though I do it, and I enjoy it, I don’t like to think about it.
Honestly, if I lived by myself as a bachelor I probably
would make an effort to give Vegetarianism a try (or at least try to cut back as much meat as I could… I wouldn’t be the kind to tell subway they have to disinfect everything before making me a veggie sandwich after someone’s ham sandwich… Or turning down meat from a host who didn’t know I was vegetarian.
What doesn’t make me go vegetarian is my family is not vegetarian and I don’t want to force inconvenience on them.
I don’t think I could go full vegan… In part because I think animals like bees and dairy cows are supported by humans and there is a symbiotic relationship there.
If you’re a vegan and you think bees and dairy cows have it rough, that’s fine, that’s your decision, and good on you for sticking by your conviction… But I don’t.
If cultured meat (meat grown from cells of animals) becomes wide spread and affordable, I would in a heartbeat switch to cultured meat from meat that was living animals.
Heck, if they made it available, I’d love to try all sorts of things… panda, elephant, mongoose, etc… again assuming it was cultured meat not from actual animals.