@axemurderer@duodec Yes, but Li-ion is NOT necessarily LiFePO4 chemistry and if it was LiFePO4, Energizer would be bragging about it, duodec is correct!
Li-ion NMC should last 400+ cycles, which is ~1 year of daily use. For the “van life” types who will cycle this twice a day, yeah, they should splurge on LiFePO4.
For the rest of us who might cycle it 20 times a year camping or during power outages, the battery will likely last until we break it by dropping it.
I’m currently trying to talk myself into this but I’ve got a 300wh unit that I’ve used less than a half dozen times without draining it dry.
grabbed this last time it was up. very happy with it. Like that it can stay plugged in and on standby. Haven’t used the panels yet but imagine they’ll come in handy camping next summer.
@sheikbatman for now i just keep the internet and fridge plugged into it in case of a power outage, but i’m eager to get it in the field next spring/summer too
Of you do the math, that’s only an 8 amp/hour battery in there. Pretty crappy. You can get a 200 way solar setup AND a 100Amp/hour battery with an inverter for the same $ or less of you shop around.
This one wouldn’t be able to make a single margarita!
@Capricorntrue Probably, but who wants to do all that leg work. Its like a pre build PC vs homemade. Yes it’s easy , and yes you can get parts to do it yourself cheaper, but some people value their time more than the few dollar savings. Also this is going to be a neat, polished package.
It says yes, they are NMC cells, which weigh a lot less than LFP (that is an advantage) but have lower cycle life (400-ish instead of 2000+). I don’t know how much of an issue that is for most of us who want this thing for occasional use or backup power: we won’t use 1000’s of cycles. More serious though, per the review, it seems to possibly be used or refurb gear despite saying new.
LFP is cheaper than NMC these days so it’s no longer really something to brag about. LFP probably has fewer warranty returns too. But, NMC has a portability (power density) advantage. I don’t know of any portable power tools, laptops, etc. that use LFP.
This thing is still a good deal considering that the solar panel alone is $200+ for anything comparable (13 pound 200 watt panel). Most 200 watt panels weigh a lot more.
@bugger@phr I got this a few months ago on same deal and panel seems quite rugged. Of course it’s designed to be carry-able and storable. That said it is quite heavy which I think is a good sign for ruggedness but you’re definitely not going to take this backpacking unless using a mule or a Jeep.
I think you are referring to smaller portable folding panels which are light weight.
Of course for a permanent installation on a house or RV you would use a different panel type.
Is this a gas Generator or do the Li-ion. batteries rub together to recharge themselves? Is this backward compatible? Can I run a 440 heliarc welder with this unit? Would thins be a good canidate for a Tesla jump starter in an emergency? So many questions that I have.
I really wish they were more clear on this like I am with my questions. They includes: MEH, Energizer, Local governments, Federal power grid management offices & even maybe Duracell? could chime in.) I do own a smaller version of this same unit. Used a few times in some “Rolling black outs” so once my questions have been answered I’ll think about getting this one. Well, I thought about it. And… I’m gonna pass. Thanks for reading this. You have all been a great help. Is it Friday yet?
Merry Christmas & Happy new year my MEH family. Hope this didn’t ruin your night
@bugger nah, don’t worry about ruining my night I’m at the is it last night or this morning at 1:50 AM East?
I appreciate your diatribe or whatever it may be. A lot to explore there… don’t threaten the Feds too much these days your post probably already got flagged somewhere. Just kidding, or maybe not.
Don’t think there is a practical Tesla Jump starter. Having one I know it will make pretty sure to keep you from running out. Unless you have some type of failure or service issue. In which case you use the app to call for road service. Or the car could call unless of course the power was dead. Luckily never had to try this myself yet.
I snagged the Jackery Explorer 1000 V2 for $350 (normally $549) around Black Friday. 1070Wh LiFePO4, 1500W. I’ll probably pick up a 200W solar panel at some point. Good panels can be had now for less than $200. I’d keep an eye on that one for when it goes on sale again instead of buying the Energizer. Doesn’t hurt that Project Farm recently tested slightly smaller versions and Jackery came out on top.
@cinoclav wow, looks like the current rate went up from 550 to 799
(But according to the price history on Amazon, the prices dropped to 500, even 400, during Black Friday)
@cinoclav@pakopako Yup, Jackery, Ecoflow, DJI just about everyone dropped their 1kwh LFP units to $350-$400 for Black Friday. DJI still has the Power 1000, which can output 2200w, at Amazon for $380 if you don’t actually need or want the solar panel right now.
@kuoh@pakopako A couple of the other brands also scared me off when reading about the customer service experiences. Ecoflow and Bluetti in particular really stretched the gamut of good to bad considering the size and popularity of those companies.
@cinoclav@kuoh@pakopako Just be aware of this Amazon review (translated to English) for the DJI:
This doesn’t work with just a few Christmas lights, it doesn’t include inflatable dolls, it doesn’t last 2 hours. Very bad product and a lot of false advertising
I should have definitely picked up a backup generator when I could have afforded it, but I don’t think they’d generate much on a cloudy winter already-short day.
I bought this in Sept when they offered it and it ROCKS.
We are vendors who do craft fairs and the battery can handle all the items we plug into it - all day/night long.
I always recommend it when ppl ask about it.
After checking around on the internet a bit, this looks like a pretty fair deal, considering what you get for the price. Like someone else in the comments stated, the solar panels alone would cost about two to 300 bucks or so. Considering that made me pull the trigger. My opinion, I believe that I just got a pretty good deal. Good luck to y’all.
Anybody have thoughts if this would be ok just for home fridge and small device charging? I live in a small condo and thinking something like this would be good for hurricanes. My condo association would have a fit if I broke out a gas generator in my patio lol
@omegamonkey Newer fridges run at about 100-150w except during the defrost cycle, older ones need more. Starting the compressor, however, takes power, and whether this is enough is unknown. I have a 500w unit with 1000w surge and it wasn’t enough. My 2000w unit (3000w surge) has zero issues.
Since you’re in a condo, will there be sufficient sunlight at your balcony to make a solar panel useful? IMHO, if you’re only getting partial sunlight during the day, forget it and just go with just a larger power station unit instead.
The tell on this deal is the weight. 23lbs means small battery capacity, even with modern LiPo/LiFePO4 cells.
In a thermodynamically perfect world with no marketing spin, 1200W/991Wh = less than 50 minutes of operation max. at 1200W. I’d put my money on 30 minutes or so with anything past that being a bonus.
Lithium Ion Batteries store chemical potential and actually generate energy when electrons move from the cathode to the anode. This movement creates free electrons in the anode, which generates a charge at the positive current collector. ie Generator
Like five years ago, I bought a giant, heavy, lead acid solar battery bank. It was SO good, but at around 110lbs with the battery and case, it was super impractical for the uses I had planned for it (mostly off-grid camping or festivals where I can still enjoy some lights and creature comforts). It was like $1800. Now, that lead acid battery is dead and a LiFePO4 upgrade for it (would need a new charging regulator) would be about half the cost of what it would have been new.
Long story short, I wish I’d have just waited another couple years and bought one of these.
Specs
Product: Energizer 1200W Generator & 200W Solar Panel Bundle
Model: ENBG1000BUN
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
Was $1400 at Costco
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Thursday, Jan 2 - Monday, Jan 6
yes, as you say, it’s basically a giant power bank. it’s not a fucking generator
@spacemart to be fair, it includes a solar panel… technically making the combo a “generator”.
@Perfect_Timing @spacemart Is it really generating power? More of a “capturer”, imo.
@Maccaroney @Perfect_Timing @spacemart
by that standard, nothing generates power. A ICE generator “liberates” solar energy “captured” by plants umpteen million years ago.
Li-Ion battery is meh. If it was a LiFePO4 then we’d have something to consider…
@duodec LiFePO4 is Li-Ion
@axemurderer @duodec Yes, but Li-ion is NOT necessarily LiFePO4 chemistry and if it was LiFePO4, Energizer would be bragging about it, duodec is correct!
@duodec @escalante
“Yes, but Li-ion is NOT necessarily LiFePO4”
i didn’t say it was.
“duodec is correct!”
ah, yes. the contradiction is correct! what?
@duodec depends on use case.
Li-ion NMC should last 400+ cycles, which is ~1 year of daily use. For the “van life” types who will cycle this twice a day, yeah, they should splurge on LiFePO4.
For the rest of us who might cycle it 20 times a year camping or during power outages, the battery will likely last until we break it by dropping it.
I’m currently trying to talk myself into this but I’ve got a 300wh unit that I’ve used less than a half dozen times without draining it dry.
@axemurderer
You forgot to lead with:
“Technically”.
Lovely screenname though.
/giphy technically
Again?
grabbed this last time it was up. very happy with it. Like that it can stay plugged in and on standby. Haven’t used the panels yet but imagine they’ll come in handy camping next summer.
@TheStas lol, who tf has $600 to throw in the trash? Oh you, that’s who.
@TheStas thanks for your thoughts. I camp a ton and idk which generator/ power source to invest in
@SteveOOO opinions are like assholes buddy, thanks for proving it
@sheikbatman for now i just keep the internet and fridge plugged into it in case of a power outage, but i’m eager to get it in the field next spring/summer too
@SteveOOO @TheStas What is the point of your comment other than outing yourself for being broke AND giving everyone negative feelings for you?
Of you do the math, that’s only an 8 amp/hour battery in there. Pretty crappy. You can get a 200 way solar setup AND a 100Amp/hour battery with an inverter for the same $ or less of you shop around.
This one wouldn’t be able to make a single margarita!
@Capricorntrue Probably, but who wants to do all that leg work. Its like a pre build PC vs homemade. Yes it’s easy , and yes you can get parts to do it yourself cheaper, but some people value their time more than the few dollar savings. Also this is going to be a neat, polished package.
This seems to be a pretty legit review, from an engineering site:
https://www.edn.com/energizers-powersource-pro-battery-generator-not-bad-but-you-can-do-better/
It says yes, they are NMC cells, which weigh a lot less than LFP (that is an advantage) but have lower cycle life (400-ish instead of 2000+). I don’t know how much of an issue that is for most of us who want this thing for occasional use or backup power: we won’t use 1000’s of cycles. More serious though, per the review, it seems to possibly be used or refurb gear despite saying new.
LFP is cheaper than NMC these days so it’s no longer really something to brag about. LFP probably has fewer warranty returns too. But, NMC has a portability (power density) advantage. I don’t know of any portable power tools, laptops, etc. that use LFP.
This thing is still a good deal considering that the solar panel alone is $200+ for anything comparable (13 pound 200 watt panel). Most 200 watt panels weigh a lot more.
@phr Looks to be a lower grade “foldable” solar panel. the ridged panels usually are more durable and have a higher output.
@bugger @phr I got this a few months ago on same deal and panel seems quite rugged. Of course it’s designed to be carry-able and storable. That said it is quite heavy which I think is a good sign for ruggedness but you’re definitely not going to take this backpacking unless using a mule or a Jeep.
I think you are referring to smaller portable folding panels which are light weight.
Of course for a permanent installation on a house or RV you would use a different panel type.
Is this a gas Generator or do the Li-ion. batteries rub together to recharge themselves? Is this backward compatible? Can I run a 440 heliarc welder with this unit? Would thins be a good canidate for a Tesla jump starter in an emergency? So many questions that I have.
I really wish they were more clear on this like I am with my questions. They includes: MEH, Energizer, Local governments, Federal power grid management offices & even maybe Duracell? could chime in.) I do own a smaller version of this same unit. Used a few times in some “Rolling black outs” so once my questions have been answered I’ll think about getting this one. Well, I thought about it. And… I’m gonna pass. Thanks for reading this. You have all been a great help. Is it Friday yet?
Merry Christmas & Happy new year my MEH family. Hope this didn’t ruin your night
@bugger nah, don’t worry about ruining my night I’m at the is it last night or this morning at 1:50 AM East?
I appreciate your diatribe or whatever it may be. A lot to explore there… don’t threaten the Feds too much these days your post probably already got flagged somewhere. Just kidding, or maybe not.
Don’t think there is a practical Tesla Jump starter. Having one I know it will make pretty sure to keep you from running out. Unless you have some type of failure or service issue. In which case you use the app to call for road service. Or the car could call unless of course the power was dead. Luckily never had to try this myself yet.
Got the ecoflow delta 3 plus at a similar price (no solar panel). This energizer power bank is not very impressive at this price point
@tentalces1349 Where at? I see a comparable one (with better specs, but power-wise, about the same) for $800.
@G1 it was on the 3 plus pre-order, got it while the getting was good
@G1 @tentalces1349 i just searched Ama and i see ef’s d2 1024wh model for $549. that still blows this energizer version out of the water.
I snagged the Jackery Explorer 1000 V2 for $350 (normally $549) around Black Friday. 1070Wh LiFePO4, 1500W. I’ll probably pick up a 200W solar panel at some point. Good panels can be had now for less than $200. I’d keep an eye on that one for when it goes on sale again instead of buying the Energizer. Doesn’t hurt that Project Farm recently tested slightly smaller versions and Jackery came out on top.
https://a.co/d/3uaUbzc
@cinoclav wow, looks like the current rate went up from 550 to 799
(But according to the price history on Amazon, the prices dropped to 500, even 400, during Black Friday)
@cinoclav @pakopako Yup, Jackery, Ecoflow, DJI just about everyone dropped their 1kwh LFP units to $350-$400 for Black Friday. DJI still has the Power 1000, which can output 2200w, at Amazon for $380 if you don’t actually need or want the solar panel right now.
KuoH
@pakopako It’s showing as $549 without the solar panels right now. It had dropped to $399 and had an extra $50 coupon on it around Black Friday.
@kuoh @pakopako A couple of the other brands also scared me off when reading about the customer service experiences. Ecoflow and Bluetti in particular really stretched the gamut of good to bad considering the size and popularity of those companies.
@cinoclav @kuoh @pakopako Just be aware of this Amazon review (translated to English) for the DJI:
This doesn’t work with just a few Christmas lights, it doesn’t include inflatable dolls, it doesn’t last 2 hours. Very bad product and a lot of false advertising
I should have definitely picked up a backup generator when I could have afforded it, but I don’t think they’d generate much on a cloudy winter already-short day.
I bought this in Sept when they offered it and it ROCKS.
We are vendors who do craft fairs and the battery can handle all the items we plug into it - all day/night long.
I always recommend it when ppl ask about it.
After checking around on the internet a bit, this looks like a pretty fair deal, considering what you get for the price. Like someone else in the comments stated, the solar panels alone would cost about two to 300 bucks or so. Considering that made me pull the trigger. My opinion, I believe that I just got a pretty good deal. Good luck to y’all.
Anybody have thoughts if this would be ok just for home fridge and small device charging? I live in a small condo and thinking something like this would be good for hurricanes. My condo association would have a fit if I broke out a gas generator in my patio lol
@omegamonkey Newer fridges run at about 100-150w except during the defrost cycle, older ones need more. Starting the compressor, however, takes power, and whether this is enough is unknown. I have a 500w unit with 1000w surge and it wasn’t enough. My 2000w unit (3000w surge) has zero issues.
Since you’re in a condo, will there be sufficient sunlight at your balcony to make a solar panel useful? IMHO, if you’re only getting partial sunlight during the day, forget it and just go with just a larger power station unit instead.
The tell on this deal is the weight. 23lbs means small battery capacity, even with modern LiPo/LiFePO4 cells.
In a thermodynamically perfect world with no marketing spin, 1200W/991Wh = less than 50 minutes of operation max. at 1200W. I’d put my money on 30 minutes or so with anything past that being a bonus.
Meh.
Lithium Ion Batteries store chemical potential and actually generate energy when electrons move from the cathode to the anode. This movement creates free electrons in the anode, which generates a charge at the positive current collector. ie Generator
Like five years ago, I bought a giant, heavy, lead acid solar battery bank. It was SO good, but at around 110lbs with the battery and case, it was super impractical for the uses I had planned for it (mostly off-grid camping or festivals where I can still enjoy some lights and creature comforts). It was like $1800. Now, that lead acid battery is dead and a LiFePO4 upgrade for it (would need a new charging regulator) would be about half the cost of what it would have been new.
Long story short, I wish I’d have just waited another couple years and bought one of these.