The only knives that never need sharpening are the ones you throw away when they are dull.
I’m sure these will cut well for a while, though.
The serration pattern would be difficult to sharpen and it looks like it’s on most of the knives. I will say I do have a lettuce knife with a similar pattern that I think is from a Cuisinart set I got here… Cuts veg like a champ.
@djslack That is exactly the type of knives these are. Fantastic for someone getting their first home, wedding gifts, kids moving out, or as your first “adult” set of knives but the reality is that these can’t be sharpened (aren’t worth the cost to try and have sharpened) and are disposable.
@goldnectar you should do this with every knife you give the faintest glimmer of a damn about. “Dishwasher safe” has nothing to do with a mirror plating on the knife and everything to do with the fact that dishwashers use very caustic chemicals which are extra tough on metals, especially the fine edge of a sharp knife.
@djslack@goldnectar A knife worth using is a knife worth cleaning, drying, and putting away immediately. I do that with everything but the steak knives here.
@djslack@goldnectar@werehatrack I’ve never understood why people want to put knives in the dishwasher in the first place. Washing and drying a chef’s knife takes 20 seconds tops and I’m going to need it again before the next time the dishwasher is run anyway.
@djslack@goldnectar@werehatrack YES . PLEASE don’t put knives in the dishwasher! Bad for the blades, bad for the handles, and totally unnecessary. Pro tip - when you hand wash, do them one at a time using a non- scratch scrubber sponge (anyone know where you could get one, or twenty?) with the blade away from you.
DON’T fill the sink with sudsy water and put your knives in all at once. Then you have to fish around for them not completely sure where the handles end and the blades begin. Had a (human) dishwasher do that once in the restaurant. Threw them in to soak with the silverware which would then get put into a flat rack for the first run through. She reached into the sink and blindly grabbed a handful of silverware, forgetting about the knives. Ended up in the hospital with multiple stitches. After that we washed them ourselves.
@brennyn@djslack@goldnectar@werehatrack I know!! Me either!! Some people are idiots. I wrap mine in styrofoam then run them through my laundry machine. Works like a charm!!! FYI - DO NOT PUT IN WITH CLOTHES!!! Have a blessed evening!?
@f00l@mcanavino@mike808 Occam’s razor suggests y’all’re being blunt, maybe even obtuse, and 100% butchering this conversation, turning the comments section into a charnel house.
@mcanavino Odd you should mention Tang. Recently bought a container after not tasting it for many, many years. Wondered if it would be any good, or if my then-very-young tastebuds weren’t developed enough and it would now be terrible. Not too bad, actually. And, as far as I can tell, it still tastes the same, but like I said, that was a looooong time ago.
And, yes, I know you only brought it up for the pun (which I can respect), but thought I’d share.
@Cloudscout Lead pipes, too. Then right into a tomato.
On a related note: I’ve heard that Johnny Thompson, a very renowned magician, used to say that the hardest trick he ever had to learn was slicing the tomatoes so thin you could read through them with the terrible knives he was selling.
@Cloudscout@djslack When they would set up in a mall to sell the “never needs sharpening” knives the way to kill all their sales was to ask them to sell you the knife that just did the demo.
@Cloudscout@djslack@yakkoTDI I saw such a demo somewhere a number of years ago where the barker waited until the crowd had dispersed to chuck the now-useless demo unit into a box under the table. I haven’t been in a mall much for several years now, but I still see demos like that at Costco once in a while.
By the way, in case anyone was curious, these knives are terrible. They are not properly sharp and that makes them dangerous to use. Further, these aren’t dishwasher safe IRL. They will get spots of rust on them and the edge will gradually get worse.
The reviews saying that these knives are sharp are clearly not from people who have ever used a really sharp knife before. Further, most of these knives are serrated, so don’t try to use a honing steel on them.
@mehric I think their target market is people that have never used a knife sharper than the ones they got as hand me downs from their parents that got them from K-Mart in the 1960s and then never did any maintenance.
@brennyn I think Ginzu’s target market is gullible people. Ginzu is a reasonably well-known brand in the USA. These knives beat not having any knives at all, but only just.
If you want an inexpensive knife set that is far better than this, you can get a Chicago Cutlery knife block similar to this for $53 dollars direct from the manufacturer (while this set is $50 on Amazon right now).
Don’t expect heirloom quality knives at this price point, but you can (and should) do better.
@brennyn@f00l@mehric@narfcake None of the existing stores will be open for long. Here’s a review of the last SoCal store, in Whittier, from two months ago:
The store was Barren and nearly empty. There was tools in the old jewelry cases and many void sections in the store. Most everything in the store was at full price or above what one would consider MSRP on the items.
They aren’t even trying to embalm the corpse. They have fallen below the point at which they can claim to be a commercially viable entity, with the stores open only from 11AM-6PM, and barely stocked with any merchandise at all.
(I’ve mentioned it elsewhere before, but back in the days, Sears was Amazon before Amazon existed. Shop from home through the catalog, offered practically everything, and had multiple distribution centers throughout the country. They were the go-to store for many folks – and thanks to mismanagement over the years, it’s all gone.)
I’m not sure about these, but the O.G. Ginsus are famous for rusting & the blades being so thin that they often actually snap in half. That being said, decent micro-serrated knives have their uses. They’re great at slicing tomatoes & peppers (due to the relatively tough skins combined with soft flesh), bread, cooked meat, etc. And, they make great paring knives for firmer things like carrots, at least my favorite ones do.
I’ve been using Tramontina Diamant steak knives for years for these tasks & when i say years, I’ve had the same ones for at least a decade & a half, use them daily & they work almost as well as the first day. They’re not much to look at, but they’re stainless steel, so they’ve never rusted, even though they go in the dishwasher after every use. A couple have gotten tiny notches in them, a couple of others have a tiny bend in the tip, probably from rough handling, but those things don’t affect their performance. They’re practically indestructible, at least when used on veggies; I can’t vouch for soda cans, metal pipes, etc. Highly recommended!
I’ve gotten them in a couple of different online restaurant supply sites, i think, but i found a listing on the 'zon, for reference purposes:
@yakkoTDI I haven’t got much use for a machete, but if i ever find myself taking a trip to the jungle, I’ll keep that in mind! (Otherwise, i guess you could say I’m a vegan when it comes to meat that’s not pre-packaged in Styrofoam & shrink-wrapped. )
@ircon96 I am glad you found good steak knives. I have been looking for non-serrated steak knives and dang, companies are proud of those things. I need non-serrated knives at the Tramontina price point. lol
@jjnova Actually, that Amazon price is a lot more than they usually go for! But, funny thing is, i don’t use them for steak, chicken, etc, i much prefer the scallop-edged serrated knives for that. You’re right, you don’t see a lot of non-serrated steak knives around. You’d probably have an easier time looking for paring knives with longer-than-average blades or something…? I’ll try to remember to let uno if i stumble across any; if i stumble ON them, that’s a different story!
@brennyn@ircon96@jjnova Confirm; I see the Chicago Cutlery steak knives available regularly, and I have a set on the dining table in their own knife block. Since they get used on plates instead of a cutting board, their edges suffer, but they will take a useful edge readily. The wood handles are not dishwasher-friendly; the finish is gone in one pass.
@brennyn@ircon96@jjnova@werehatrack For the wood handles they sell a treatment for that which works - although as you imply washing by hand works better. Be aware you’d still need to treat the wood handles on occasion.
@ircon96@jjnova Ugh, someone gave us non-serrated steak knives once and I hated them. There was something about them that gave me a “nails on a chalkboard” sensation; not sure why since I didn’t use them much and finally gave them away.
@jjnova@brennyn@Kidsandliz@werehatrack@Kyeh Yeah, the non-serrated ones also seem to take so much more effort to get through cooked meat, for some reason. Even with raw meat, they recommend slicing it when it’s partially frozen to make it easier, so meat is pretty much a pain in the ass, i guess.
I hated to click Meh, 'cause the red ones look cool and match our kitchen decor. But we already have quite a few excellent Wüsthofs and Sabatiers in a properly angled wooden block…
@MrNewsSabatier is a region, not a specific brand. You need additional characters or emblems (e.g., ‘Sabatier-K’ or ‘Sabatier ****’) to specify a specific brand. See Wiki for more than you want to know.
My own knives are ‘Four star Elephants’ whose icon (‘Sabatier’ followed by four stars and an elephant in profile) was once depicted on both the blade and handle of each knife. ‘Once’ because after 40 - 50 years, only one the marks can still be seen.
@rpstrong I have two, probably at least 45 years old. One says “Professional,” the other says “Maître de Cuisine” and has an image of a jolly chef. The former seems very high quality; the latter not so much. I can’t remember where I acquired them, but my Wüsthofs were all wedding presents 27 years ago.
For those that might be wondering which cheap knives don’t suck, check out Rada knives. They are often sold through fundraisers and I bought my first ones at a farmers market in Des Moines. They use pretty thin stainless blades and you can get your choice of plastic or aluminum grips that are also on the small side. On the positive side, they are easy to sharpen (even without skill, they sell a sharpener that’s basically two washers you draw the edge through) and cut very well. The ones I got in Iowa are now 9 years old and going strong. Keep them out of the dishwasher and they will last a while.
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Model: KIS-RD-DS-014-4, KIS-KB-DS-014-4
Condition: New
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It’s the Stabby McStabberson starter kit.
@yakkoTDI What about Cutty McCutterson?
@yakkoTDI You might want to buy. I’d think you’d need the boning one for what you stash in your trunk.
@yakkoTDI
Prefer chopped or sliced?
Sauce? Pickles? Tabasco?
@yakkoTDI
/image stabby the unicorn
@Kidsandliz No way! I am not boning anything in my trunk.
@Kidsandliz @yakkoTDI that’s what the backseat is for…
@Kidsandliz @OnionSoup @yakkoTDI I don’t want anything boning my backseat either.
They were selling these two mehrathons ago for $ 50. Almost bought them to get the IRK and then priced them on amazon for $ 28 and bought them there.
But wait, act now and we’ll send you a second set absolutely free when you pay $29.99 for shipping and handling.
Ginsu will forever make me think of 1990s infomercials.
Perfect for making Michael Myers lemon chicken!
Always happy to know my Dishwasher is safe around my knives. If one my knives were safe in her hands.
A+ Chopped fanfic
The only knives that never need sharpening are the ones you throw away when they are dull.
I’m sure these will cut well for a while, though.
The serration pattern would be difficult to sharpen and it looks like it’s on most of the knives. I will say I do have a lettuce knife with a similar pattern that I think is from a Cuisinart set I got here… Cuts veg like a champ.
@djslack That is exactly the type of knives these are. Fantastic for someone getting their first home, wedding gifts, kids moving out, or as your first “adult” set of knives but the reality is that these can’t be sharpened (aren’t worth the cost to try and have sharpened) and are disposable.
I know. I have had them before.
Reviews say they start rusting after the first machine wash. You should hand wash and immediately dry.
@goldnectar you should do this with every knife you give the faintest glimmer of a damn about. “Dishwasher safe” has nothing to do with a mirror plating on the knife and everything to do with the fact that dishwashers use very caustic chemicals which are extra tough on metals, especially the fine edge of a sharp knife.
@djslack @goldnectar A knife worth using is a knife worth cleaning, drying, and putting away immediately. I do that with everything but the steak knives here.
@djslack @goldnectar @werehatrack I’ve never understood why people want to put knives in the dishwasher in the first place. Washing and drying a chef’s knife takes 20 seconds tops and I’m going to need it again before the next time the dishwasher is run anyway.
@djslack @goldnectar @werehatrack YES . PLEASE don’t put knives in the dishwasher! Bad for the blades, bad for the handles, and totally unnecessary. Pro tip - when you hand wash, do them one at a time using a non- scratch scrubber sponge (anyone know where you could get one, or twenty?) with the blade away from you.
DON’T fill the sink with sudsy water and put your knives in all at once. Then you have to fish around for them not completely sure where the handles end and the blades begin. Had a (human) dishwasher do that once in the restaurant. Threw them in to soak with the silverware which would then get put into a flat rack for the first run through. She reached into the sink and blindly grabbed a handful of silverware, forgetting about the knives. Ended up in the hospital with multiple stitches. After that we washed them ourselves.
@djslack @goldnectar @werehatrack @ybmuG But, other then that, they’re great knives. Is that what I’m reading here?!?!?
@djslack @goldnectar @werehatrack would this cleaning ritual include butter knives?!? I just need to know for chapter 6 “A very clean and dry knife”
@brennyn @djslack @goldnectar @werehatrack I know!! Me either!! Some people are idiots. I wrap mine in styrofoam then run them through my laundry machine. Works like a charm!!! FYI - DO NOT PUT IN WITH CLOTHES!!! Have a blessed evening!?
@bugger
I’d say it depends on what you’re doing with the knife.
@bugger @djslack
How cold do you keep your butter?
@djslack @goldnectar
Well, no concerns here.
@djslack @goldnectar @rpstrong this also applies to the sharp edge of a fine knife.
One knife, eleven saws, a pair of scissors, and a block of wood. If you like them, it’s a decent deal. Not necessarily amazing, but decent.
Here is where I’d make some cutting remark about the product, but that’s starting to feel dull.
Think I’ll just drink a glass full of Tang.
@mcanavino A sharp insightful reply with no irony whatsoever to your comment.
@mcanavino @mike808
You don’t want to speak cuttingly?
@f00l @mcanavino @mike808 Occam’s razor suggests y’all’re being blunt, maybe even obtuse, and 100% butchering this conversation, turning the comments section into a charnel house.
@mcanavino Odd you should mention Tang. Recently bought a container after not tasting it for many, many years. Wondered if it would be any good, or if my then-very-young tastebuds weren’t developed enough and it would now be terrible. Not too bad, actually. And, as far as I can tell, it still tastes the same, but like I said, that was a looooong time ago.
And, yes, I know you only brought it up for the pun (which I can respect), but thought I’d share.
@Doooood @mcanavino What flavour Tang? Poon? Wu?
@Doooood @mcanavino @yakkoTDI Outside the US, they have more flavors;
What about cans? Can you cut a can with them?
@Cloudscout Lead pipes, too. Then right into a tomato.
On a related note: I’ve heard that Johnny Thompson, a very renowned magician, used to say that the hardest trick he ever had to learn was slicing the tomatoes so thin you could read through them with the terrible knives he was selling.
@Cloudscout @djslack When they would set up in a mall to sell the “never needs sharpening” knives the way to kill all their sales was to ask them to sell you the knife that just did the demo.
@Cloudscout @djslack @yakkoTDI I saw such a demo somewhere a number of years ago where the barker waited until the crowd had dispersed to chuck the now-useless demo unit into a box under the table. I haven’t been in a mall much for several years now, but I still see demos like that at Costco once in a while.
By the way, in case anyone was curious, these knives are terrible. They are not properly sharp and that makes them dangerous to use. Further, these aren’t dishwasher safe IRL. They will get spots of rust on them and the edge will gradually get worse.
The reviews saying that these knives are sharp are clearly not from people who have ever used a really sharp knife before. Further, most of these knives are serrated, so don’t try to use a honing steel on them.
@mehric But other then that, they are good, right!?!?
@mehric I think their target market is people that have never used a knife sharper than the ones they got as hand me downs from their parents that got them from K-Mart in the 1960s and then never did any maintenance.
@brennyn I think Ginzu’s target market is gullible people. Ginzu is a reasonably well-known brand in the USA. These knives beat not having any knives at all, but only just.
If you want an inexpensive knife set that is far better than this, you can get a Chicago Cutlery knife block similar to this for $53 dollars direct from the manufacturer (while this set is $50 on Amazon right now).
Don’t expect heirloom quality knives at this price point, but you can (and should) do better.
@brennyn @mehric In the 1960s, it would more likely be S. S. Kresge’s; K-mart was its successor, though.
(FWIW, there’s only 3 K-mart stores left in the continental US.)
@brennyn @mehric @narfcake
What is the current count of open-for-biz Sears stores?
@brennyn @f00l @mehric @narfcake Zero
@brennyn @f00l @mehric In the continental US, 10 Sears stores.
(And the three K-marts will be down to two in a couple months. The one in Westwood, NJ is closing.)
Sounds like this is “A blue light special!”
@brennyn @f00l @mehric @narfcake None of the existing stores will be open for long. Here’s a review of the last SoCal store, in Whittier, from two months ago:
They aren’t even trying to embalm the corpse. They have fallen below the point at which they can claim to be a commercially viable entity, with the stores open only from 11AM-6PM, and barely stocked with any merchandise at all.
@brennyn @f00l @mehric @werehatrack Retail Archeology visited that very Sears last year. It wasn’t any better back then either.
(I’ve mentioned it elsewhere before, but back in the days, Sears was Amazon before Amazon existed. Shop from home through the catalog, offered practically everything, and had multiple distribution centers throughout the country. They were the go-to store for many folks – and thanks to mismanagement over the years, it’s all gone.)
It slices! It Dices! It’s the Ginsu knife set!!
I’ve been waiting for an all red knife set to match all my other all red discount kitchen items. Thanks?
@chiefbugbung Accidents in the home happen in the kitchen. With red everywhere, you can hide the mess.
I’m not sure about these, but the O.G. Ginsus are famous for rusting & the blades being so thin that they often actually snap in half. That being said, decent micro-serrated knives have their uses. They’re great at slicing tomatoes & peppers (due to the relatively tough skins combined with soft flesh), bread, cooked meat, etc. And, they make great paring knives for firmer things like carrots, at least my favorite ones do.
I’ve been using Tramontina Diamant steak knives for years for these tasks & when i say years, I’ve had the same ones for at least a decade & a half, use them daily & they work almost as well as the first day. They’re not much to look at, but they’re stainless steel, so they’ve never rusted, even though they go in the dishwasher after every use. A couple have gotten tiny notches in them, a couple of others have a tiny bend in the tip, probably from rough handling, but those things don’t affect their performance. They’re practically indestructible, at least when used on veggies; I can’t vouch for soda cans, metal pipes, etc. Highly recommended!
I’ve gotten them in a couple of different online restaurant supply sites, i think, but i found a listing on the 'zon, for reference purposes:
Tramontina 80020/005 “DIAMANT STEAK KNIFE - 5” https://a.co/d/64U6cGn
@ircon96 Tramontina makes good knives and machetes. I have used both.
@yakkoTDI I haven’t got much use for a machete, but if i ever find myself taking a trip to the jungle, I’ll keep that in mind! (Otherwise, i guess you could say I’m a vegan when it comes to meat that’s not pre-packaged in Styrofoam & shrink-wrapped. )
@ircon96 I am glad you found good steak knives. I have been looking for non-serrated steak knives and dang, companies are proud of those things. I need non-serrated knives at the Tramontina price point. lol
@jjnova Actually, that Amazon price is a lot more than they usually go for! But, funny thing is, i don’t use them for steak, chicken, etc, i much prefer the scallop-edged serrated knives for that. You’re right, you don’t see a lot of non-serrated steak knives around. You’d probably have an easier time looking for paring knives with longer-than-average blades or something…? I’ll try to remember to let uno if i stumble across any; if i stumble ON them, that’s a different story!
@ircon96 @jjnova Chicago Cutlery makes inexpensive plain edge steak knives, as does Mercer if you want to get slightly more spendy.
@brennyn @ircon96 @jjnova Confirm; I see the Chicago Cutlery steak knives available regularly, and I have a set on the dining table in their own knife block. Since they get used on plates instead of a cutting board, their edges suffer, but they will take a useful edge readily. The wood handles are not dishwasher-friendly; the finish is gone in one pass.
@brennyn @ircon96 @jjnova @werehatrack For the wood handles they sell a treatment for that which works - although as you imply washing by hand works better. Be aware you’d still need to treat the wood handles on occasion.
@ircon96 @jjnova Ugh, someone gave us non-serrated steak knives once and I hated them. There was something about them that gave me a “nails on a chalkboard” sensation; not sure why since I didn’t use them much and finally gave them away.
@jjnova @brennyn @Kidsandliz @werehatrack @Kyeh Yeah, the non-serrated ones also seem to take so much more effort to get through cooked meat, for some reason. Even with raw meat, they recommend slicing it when it’s partially frozen to make it easier, so meat is pretty much a pain in the ass, i guess.
@ircon96 I’ve had the opposite experience. Plain edges slice through a steak cleanly in one stroke, serrated always requires sawing back and forth.
@brennyn Those must be some dang sharp knives! I’d probably end up in the emergency room if i tried handling one of those!
but where is the free Bamboo Steamer?
@Noddy93 ‘Free; just pay separate fee’
I hated to click Meh, 'cause the red ones look cool and match our kitchen decor. But we already have quite a few excellent Wüsthofs and Sabatiers in a properly angled wooden block…
@MrNews Sabatier is a region, not a specific brand. You need additional characters or emblems (e.g., ‘Sabatier-K’ or ‘Sabatier ****’) to specify a specific brand. See Wiki for more than you want to know.
My own knives are ‘Four star Elephants’ whose icon (‘Sabatier’ followed by four stars and an elephant in profile) was once depicted on both the blade and handle of each knife. ‘Once’ because after 40 - 50 years, only one the marks can still be seen.
@rpstrong I have two, probably at least 45 years old. One says “Professional,” the other says “Maître de Cuisine” and has an image of a jolly chef. The former seems very high quality; the latter not so much. I can’t remember where I acquired them, but my Wüsthofs were all wedding presents 27 years ago.
For those that might be wondering which cheap knives don’t suck, check out Rada knives. They are often sold through fundraisers and I bought my first ones at a farmers market in Des Moines. They use pretty thin stainless blades and you can get your choice of plastic or aluminum grips that are also on the small side. On the positive side, they are easy to sharpen (even without skill, they sell a sharpener that’s basically two washers you draw the edge through) and cut very well. The ones I got in Iowa are now 9 years old and going strong. Keep them out of the dishwasher and they will last a while.