@TheMeerkat are you familiar with the concept of marginal utility?
how often do you take pictures? I would say I probably take about one or two a week if I can surreptitiously photograph someone wearing a stupid outfit at the grocery store, see a funny license plate in the parking lot, or eat an interesting meal in a restaurant.
my phone can take pictures adequately. it can also do calls, send footage of police murdering me to the aclu, catch pokemon, etc.
there is no reason to pay the cost of a new iphone 8 for a big, heavy, cumbersome, fragile chunk of plastic you can’t always just have unthinkingly in your pocket, can’t spontaneously take pictures of things, etc.
sure the quality may be better, but is it worth the extra cost? if you don’t pursue photography for class, hobby, profession, etc, no. while I’m sure meh will break even on the sale of this kind of item, it’s not the kind of thing most of us are interested in.
@boygenius1991@TheMeerkat speak for yourself. I just got back from a vacation and was lusting for one of these. Phones are great for lots of things, but I’d rather take pictures of a wild animal with a zoom lens, fast shutter, and 20+ MP sensor. There’s no phone that can capture fast moving animals with that kind of image quality.
@timothymh Yeah, I sorta wish i would have bought a Nikon many moons ago when I bought my first decent camera. Once you buy into a system, then you are almost stuck with it—like if you have 4 Canon lenses, you’re going to hesitate buying that Nikon and starting all over again. But the Canon is a great camera, and for me, the grass is always greener. The Nikon, I’m only basing on one photo I saw ages ago. I really have no regrets about my Canon.
I bought my first Canon in a package deal like this, back in FatWallet days. There’s a lot of Canon lens deals, and at different times during the year, Canon offers great deals if you want to swap your older Canon for a newer one.
I,myself have been saving $ to buy that Canon 100mm macro lens.
go ahead and buy it, you won’t regret it.
@wew Actually, I started with Pentax for some reason, and accumulated two bodies and five lenses, but made the switch to Nikon two years ago! I got a Nikon D7200 and a Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 art lens, and I am in love
@timothymh there’s been many many days I’ve been crawling on the ground trying to get a good picture of mushrooms. Now that I think about it, if someone was to take pictures of me taking pictures, that would make a pretty amusing photo album!
But, @timothymh, and anyone else—have you ever done anthing with different filters? I’ve been thinking of filters because there’s been a sale on Circular Polarizer filter kit UV + Lens protector.
I’ve never done filters. There’s some cheap kits out there, and I was wondering if it was an avenue worth exploring.
@wew A polarizing filter can be very useful, and a UV filter is great for protection! However, I would caution against getting cheapo filters, because if you have pretty good equipment, they’ll really be a bottleneck when it comes to photo quality. Here are two articles with helpful sample photos comparing what you get with a crappy filter: onetwo
@timothymh Thanks! Since a macro lens is still out of my reach, I thought different filters would keep me busy for awhile.
Yea, all my lenses have protective lenses on them. I’ll buy a lens, and the second thing I buy is a protective lens filter.
I wish I had a birthday coming up, I’d like to get some kinda lens filter kit. Special effects and whatnot.
@bruceb28 Costco has the similar T6 lens bundle for that price, this is the better T6i bundle. Some differences are: the T6i has 24 megapixels and the fully rotating view screen and the 18-55mm STM lens, while the T6 is 18 megapixels, its screen is fixed and comes with the older 18-55 non-STM lens.
Wow! I really think what seals the deal tonight is the 16GB card that comes with the $600 camera. I mean, that’s a $400 accessory right there! That and the $50 neck strap makes this one hell of a deal. Everyone should buy at least 3. Create extra accounts and buy three at a time. Don’t stop until you’ve mortgaged your kids. Max out the credit cards. Funnel all your chain smoking and Whiskey Drinking habit money into buying these.
Someone please wake me up at 11:59 p.m. tonight. Thank you in advance.
@Woody1 The 16GB is just fine. It’s the read/write speeds that matter much more. I have a 32GB SD card in my T2i, shoot in RAW, so the .CR2 files are larger than the .JPG, shoot hundreds of shots in a day, and don’t fill half of it. 16GB is fine. After the shots are process, they get stored on an external drive. That’s where storage capacity is more important.
@hchavers Copied and pasted from above: The 16GB is just fine. It’s the read/write speeds that matter much more. I have a 32GB SD card in my T2i, shoot in RAW, so the .CR2 files are larger than the .JPG, shoot hundreds of shots in a day, and don’t fill half of it. 16GB is fine. After the shots are process, they get stored on an external drive. That’s where storage capacity is more important.
@RiotDemon This price is good, but not Black Friday, Prime Day, Mehrathon good. The everyday price for this bundle is $699 @ Wallyworld.
Since you don’t expect to get full advantage of the specifications of this camera, maybe consider the T6 bundle at Canon Direct. Refurbished, similar bundle for $389. EOS Rebel T6, EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens, EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III Lens.
A little slower, a little lower resolution, but lighter weight and longer battery life also.
@RiotDemon@ruouttaurmind I’d get the SL2 kit from Costco for $730 instead. The newer dual-pixel AF sensor in the SL2 is a HUGE improvement over the sensor in the T6i. See my post below.
But buying used will always be a better deal, but riskier.
@RiotDemon I wouldn’t buy in your shoes. People are mentioning other websites. If, down the road, you want to get a DSLR, I’d recommend keh.com and buy something used. Their camera condition grading system is very generous. I have a camera I bought from them in “bargain” condition that I’m very happy with.
You at least want to have a local friend who knows about DSLRs who can show you how it works. There are usually a lot of adjustments you don’t notice and might think something is broken that is not.
All that said, yeah, I wouldn’t buy one just to photograph pets around the house, unless you are set on taking photos that are suitable for framing.
@RiotDemon My last good camera was a non-digital Olympus OM1 and several lenses. Gosh I wish I had a job right now so I could buy this (or used ones suggested by people answering you). I still have that camera, lenses, flash and accessories that are in very good condition if someone is in to vintage cameras.
I own a Canon 6D Mark II. Full frame. Tilt screen. I own two L lenses and a 50mm Prime lens. It’s not the best camera, not by a long shot, but it slots in nicely for a photo enthusiast like I am who refuses to spend 4K or more on gear.
If I didn’t have that camera and never owned a DSLR before, I’d consider this. This package is a nice gateway for someone who wants a little more than what your phone offers them, but terms like bracketing, ISO, focus points, RAW, bokeh, crop sensor (APS-C), and chromatic abberation scare you, but also intrigue you. You can learn all about them here!
The sensor in the T6i is kind of crappy compared to the T7i, SL2 (both with dual pixel AF for fantastic focusing, especially in video mode), the Nikon D5300 and newer and D7100 and newer.
If staying with Canon, eventhough there are fewer autofocus points I’d get the SL2 kit at costco for $729 since it also comes with the “nifty fifty” aka the “plastic fantastic” 50mm f/1.8 lens in addition to the ones in this kit. Also the SL2 has the much better dual-pixel AF sensor and is the smallest APS-C flippy mirror DSLR one can get. Plus it comes with a full Canon warranty and Costco’s untouchable no questions asked 90 day return window.
So it’s $600 for an old camera…
I was just reading they are supposed to make a mirrorless in September. Even the T7i can’t shoot 4K vid… so what’s so great? The only answer I have is the lens. … But wait new IPhone comes out next month. Also, Samsung’s S9 was a big cam upgrade.
I do believe that it’s true a phone can’t match but are you really that much of a hobbyist? Do you just waste all your money all the time? Do you not know about the mirrorless revolution? Have you heard of this unknown tool called photoshop? It’s all just too much for me
@sippinndippin I don’t have a nice DSLR. Mine is a model that came out almost exactly ten years ago. And I’m pretty cheap.
But the jump to a DSLR from a phone or point-n-shoot is pretty huge, just based upon sensor size and aperture size alone. The difference is particularly appreciable shooting indoors. You can’t cheat physics.
I basically only own my DSLR to take pictures of my kids. I never would have bought it if I didn’t have them. The details I have been able to capture make it very much worth it to me, versus what I’ve gotten off of point-n-shoots and phones.
@Limewater that still says nothing of mirrorless cameras… I am glad but you know Apple purchased several companies that were supposed to get around the sensor issue! It has been a couple years so I feel like very soon the phones will match Mirrorless which I have read on Engadget is currently better than DSLR… also at the local arts college they make kids get mirrorless cameras now so I don’t understand why this one would be a deal
@sippinndippin I don’t really know anything about the high end of the camera market. I am very much on the amateur/beginner send of photography. I’m colorblind, too, so I can’t even trust myself to white balance my photos.
But you can get a lot more camera for your money with a DSLR, at the expense of a larger form factor.
If you can get a large sensor and wide aperture on a mirrorless camera, and don’t mind paying the premium, and don’t mind the inferior viewfinder, then sure, mirrorless cameras are great.
For me, I didn’t want to pay a lot for my camera and I was willing to deal with a bulkier camera to get a lower price for the features and specs I wanted, better battery life, and a significantly better viewfinder.
For what little it’s worth, I don’t have a whole lot of photography background. I do have a pretty strong image processing background, though.
Also, since you mention apple, there really is no way the iphone is going to challenge an SLR camera. As I said, you can’t cheat physics. There is no legitimate substitute for good lenses, a large sensor, and a wide aperture. You need a lot of photons to get a good image.
If this had Polaroids spit out the bottom I would get it!! But sadly is does not. Wasn’t the T-6 the upgraded cyborg on the terminator. Man that thing can morf into anything. Nice try MEH or is it cyberdine??? Think you all before you die you all.
If your goal is to “take better pictures” than what you’re getting with whatever you currently use them my recommendation is to do some reading and photography and how it works and different techniques. Then practice and try different things.
Then, if you want to do things your current phone or camera won’t do, like adjust shutter speed or aperture, buy a camera that will do them.
Buying an DSLR but leaving it in green mode won’t make your pictures suddenly better. You’ve got to learn to take better pictures. Then a new camera will give you additional tools to use.
If I were to make a purchase of this price range, I’d definitely want to purchase it from a store like Costco who offers a return policy if anything were to go wrong with it. I don’t feel good about dropping $600 online only to deal with shipping it back if something was faulty with it. Paying more in shipping fees to return it, pass. If I’m dropping $600 on a camera, I want to know what am getting. I don’t trust the post system to handle fragile items.
Oh man. I’m so sad my money tree has dried up. I’ve been wanting a dslr for years, and this seems like the kind of bundle I’d jump on if I didn’t just spend a fortune on my car. Sigh…oh well. Although…maybe it’s for the best lol
I bought a Nikon D3200 a few years ago, either WOOT or Meh. Paid around $500.00. I am sure this one is nicer, but I don’t use my Camera enough to have justified paying what I did already. One day I will actually learn how to use it… Maybe when I retire… It will definitely be a Dinosaur by then. There are some cool extras on this one for sure.
I have this camera for work, and I use it to take headshots and work photos. I use my phone more personally, for my kids and cats, and those are nice too. I took a class to learn how to use all the fancy functions on the camera, which helped me also take better pics with my phone.
But that is not why I am posting. I want to know more about the Shazam for smells. This would be the most amazing thing ever. There is a conversation in my house at least once a week of “what the hell is that smell” and I send my kids around the house sniffing corners and looking for wet towels left rotting under the bed.
Maybe it would even be sensitive enough to detect medical problems just by sniffing your farts. “Oh it smells like you have high cholesterol”
What about MILK?!?! Let the sniffing machine test it! (In my head this looks like an Echo dot, and you can carry it around easily)
You can test your exhaust from your car to look for mechanical problems - like too much gas, oil leak, etc.
I think we need to fund this ASAP. I will support your kickstarter!
Just like last night… I smelled something ‘electrical’ and had to chase it around the house to find that a bathroom vent motor was burning up (fan no longer rotating). I had to go up into the attic to make sure it wasn’t on fire, too.
Yes, if I had an app that could smell and pinpoint an electrical smell - before it turned into a fire would be a great help.
Dang, I really want this camera but this month I have a medical bill to pay off, a Labor Day weekend trip to CO and my car insurance renews for the next 6 months.
Please have this again…maybe in October when I’ll have money again.
So about that app - instead of an app like Shazam that identifies smells, how about a device like a camera that takes a “snapshot” of the smell? Like a Smellera? You could take a smellure of the smell when you make bacon, and whip it out when someone farts. Or smell that fresh brewed coffee any time. Or fill your store with the smell of cinnamon to attract customers (wait, I think that has already been done)
I wonder, for those of us who would like to be able to use our phones instead of having to carry a separate, “real” camera, how well this kind of thing would work: https://www.getmodern.co/pages/hdzoom