A Goat Walks into a Bar... Dec 2016 Goat Nomination Thread

@f00l

I’d have done it the 26th, but again: I’m not here on Saturdays.

Fine. If it makes @f00l feel better. @f00l could think of this thread as a placeholder, and when @f00l is ready to accept that December is almost here, @f00l could return to this thread.

@PlacidPenguin
Or @f00l could ask if the thread would like some #pie.

(@f00l gets it. Approx what time is sunset?)

@f00l

Here? 4:30.

So if we’re going to complain about early stuff, then I win because it gets dark too early.

@PlacidPenguin
Stop complain for the nonce, if you value your well-being.

For the duration of Nov 2016, the karma associated with any complaint is absorbed by you.

Have you run an aura-check recently?

@f00l

If the US of A can have 14 months of candidates talking about presidential campaigns whether we like it or not, Meh can have a Goat Nomination thread a bit early.

@PlacidPenguin

U R A @GrumPenguin

@narfcake
GFY

Goat @f00l, yassss?

/8ball Are my posts nominations for @f00l?
Cannot predict now

@narfcake

http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/book/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596

@f00l

@narfcake
@everyone

Please remove all votes from me and vote for @jbartus.

Am already gonna have to go without sleep in December.

(See @jbartus nomination for more info.)

@f00l No sleep in December? Are you Santa Claus?

@Barney
Work/family/other stuff. No tragedies. Just stuff. I promised. And I promised to help someone move. (Got caught in a moment of weakness.)

Normally I go for full-on 24/7 misanthrope. But this month I’m giving all that up because I dunno, I forgot not to say yes or something.

So December is not the best time for Extra Responsibilities, since I’m already plenty bad at my normal ones.

@f00l quit making excuses!

@jbartus seconded for @f00l’s altruism score alone.

@jbartus

I’m not exactly thrilled with the puns which the @f00l makes.

When he persisted to makes puns, I got revenge.

@PlacidPenguin
Blame Google. Blame yourself that Google exists.

Ok I might have thought up the bad puns. .

@f00l

Even assuming you didn’t come up with the puns, you still searched for them.

@jbartus
@carl669

Please don’t vote for me this month. @jbartus has earned December goatness.

(See @jbartus nomination for more info)

@f00l

Here’s my advice: Just resign yourself to be a @f00lish goat. After next month, they won’t bother you again.

@carl669 @f00l they still play football in January. You’re up!

@narfcake
@everyone

@jbartus has two nominations this month because 8Ball nominations are ambiguous.

Please see the @jbartus’s 2nd nomination later in this topic for more reasons to vote for @jbartus. He needs to be goat in December 2016 especially.

@ELUNO that means you will accept when nominated and win? LOL And no you will not win that other thread unless everyone dies first. LOL

@ELUNO Very early in the game there was an unsuccessful attempt to goat me - and I lost by a big margin… so likely I am safe : )

@Kidsandliz I can make that happen!
Only one vote? Seriously? I will have to start campaigning on your behalf!

@Kidsandliz challenge accepted. Not this month though, @f00l comes first.

@jbartus I think there a couple of you that come before me… besides my transgressions aren’t nearly on the level of fingering a dog, nor some of the things you and @eluno have been “accused” of

@Kidsandliz Wait what?! Fingering a dog?!
And what have I been accused of?!?

@ELUNO no no no that was a previous goat (fingering a dog). Well for sure you have been accused of breathing and proof it is true since you are posting…

@ELUNO poor poor @marklog

https://meh.com/forum/topics/are-you-dumber-than-me#53c6acd391d5fd340a7797d1

@jbartus not quite over it.

@jbartus lolmg. haha that is hilarious.

@mfladd Yeah, that was a nomination post.
/8ball Right?
It is decidedly so

@mfladd

Thank you for helping me. I’ve failed to get @jbartus goatified the last 2 months, so…

@PlacidPenguin
@narfcake
@mfladd
@everyone

Please convince all voters to retract all votes for @f00l, as @jbartus is a much better choice for December 2016 goat.

Reasons:
@jbartus just won the Fall 2016 Season Movie League, beating out even the mighty @Pavlov.

@jbartus needs to be punished right now for winning this season’s Movie League.
(We all know that punishment must immediately follow the crime. If we wait and make @jbartus goat later, he will think that endless hair-trigger “your team cheats” arguments are the only reasons for him to be Goat.)

@jbartus roots for the New England Patriots.
(Does anyone need a reason beyond that?)

@jbartus will defend the Pats to the death, to unreason, and far beyond.

@jbartus loses all objectivity or sanity when the Pats are mentioned. And that’s ok because /football.

@jbartus is addicted to the Pats’ various Legendary Moments and wishes to share all those Moments with everyone. @jbartus is determined that we all should all reverence those Moments.

December has more football games than January, and we are getting closer to the playoffs, so December is the best possible month to have an Insane Patriots Fanatic as goat.

“Your Team Cheats” arguments are more fun during the regular NFL season than playoffs because more games.

You might get clinical insanity from poor @f00l just anytime. No special season for that. Whereas @jbartus is especially insane now.

And for this special reason:
@jbartus generously created this extension:

https://meh.com/forum/topics/fuck-cheaters---star-voting-anti-cheat-mod-for-meh-com

It works fine on Android Firefox.

@jbartus will always vigorously defend the integrity of the Meh Goat Vote Traditions.

In conclusion:

@jbartus will make an excellent December 2016 Scapegoat.

@mfladd football continues through February, what calendar are you using?

@f00l I’m the one with the lack of objectivity?
Also, you do realize that @mfladd is also a Patriots fan right?

@jbartus

@mfladd is somewhat less visibly insane on the subject of the Pats, compared to you. Also I think @mfladd has already been Goat.

More football games now than Jan or Feb. so you should be Goat for December.

Also I checked with Tom and Giselle. They both want you to be the December 2016 Goat! They’re rooting for you!

Some more reasons you should be Goat immediately:

Doing that extension: you sometimes resemble a Rock. Or a Mensch. Or a stand-up Homo sapiens type. Or whatever. (Except regarding the Pats).

Also you should be Goat because: Boston.

@f00l @jbartus @Thumperchick

@mfladd was the goat August 2015

@f00l Tom said he’s never heard of you and Giselle asked if you’re that bell boy in Rio that tried to look up her dress. Not exactly ringing endorsements!

@jbartus
Tom and Giselle are jus’ funnin’ ya.

@f00l they said you were trying to put me on. I think I’ll trust Tom on this one.

@f00l
Trust Tom. That’s irony

@f00l You just got my vote for goat if for nothing other than that TLDR bagging on @jbartus.

Never talk shit on the competition. Never.

@Pavlov

Talking shit? All those were compliments! Or so I intended.

Do you think calling someone a Pats fan is talking shit? Hey, when I engage the NFL (not often), I root for J Jones to retire and leave the team to his kids so that Dallas might someday be good again in many many years. Compared to being a Pat’s fan, that’s a very lame hope for the moment.

At least the Pats win now and then. (never mind the arguments). They’re his team all the way.

Therefore @jbartus deserves to be Goat.

@f00l here take this, it’ll be faster!

hands @f00l a shovel

@jbartus
I know.

@f00l I have this too if you’d like to borrow it.

drives up in a backhoe

@jbartus
You’re so very very helpful. How can I ever thank you?

PS Did that backhoe assist in the Cards Against Humanity Holiday Hole Dig? If so, it already owes me 22 seconds or digging.

@f00l sadly no, it was otherwise occupied.

You may express your thanks in the form of a donation to the Dana Farber Cancer Institute and/or The Jimmy Fund if you so choose but I assure you that no thanks is necessary.

@jbartus
I suppose they are similar in mission to M D Anderson in Houston.

I might throw the a small donation. Thx.

@f00l they are my charities of choice, my mom being a breast cancer survivor and the world having recently lost a man I was under the stewardship of in high school greatly respected to glioblastoma multiforme their cause is of particular interest to me. Add to that The Jimmy Fund’s focus on childhood cancers which are, in my opinion, the most appalling form of cancer and… well… you get the gist.

This might sound funny as the son of a breast cancer survivor but I encourage people to consider contributing their money to charities focusing on other cancers, breast cancer has such a relative abundance of funding and focus in the public eye and if even a small fraction of donations shifted elsewhere the impact would be nearly negligible. There are so many different kinds of cancer and, thanks to the abundance of funding that this attention has provided over the last few decades breast cancer is a comparatively well understood and treatable condition.

@jbartus
Yes. In my family, also losses.

Take a look at this article. At least really smart people are being pretty creative.

The Iconoclast
JIM ALLISON HAS ALWAYS GONE HIS OWN WAY—AS A SMALL-TOWN-TEXAS KID WHO PREFERRED BOOKS TO FOOTBALL, AND AS A YOUNG SCIENTIST WHO BELIEVED THE IMMUNE SYSTEM COULD TREAT TUMORS WHEN FEW OTHERS DID. AND THAT IRREVERENCE LED HIM TO FIND A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER.
NOVEMBER 2016b
By ERIC BENSON

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/jim-allison-and-the-search-for-the-cure-for-cancer/

@jbartus Yes breast cancer has a massive marketing machine (I have had breast cancer on both sides) and is significantly better funded than many other cancer groups. The Leukemia and Lymphoma society (I also have follicular non-hodgkin’s lymphoma) is another really good cancer charity. They not only support research but they also award money to families (if the person with cancer is a child) or the person with cancer (if an adult) if they are financially stressed (requires significant documentation including from your oncologist) to use to help pay for chemo, health insurance premiums… They have given me money the last couple of years which has helped me stay in health insurance for a couple of months out of the year.

@Kidsandliz
Is this the leukemia and lymphoma society you mentioned?

https://www.lls.org/

What is your take on the Susan G Komen Foundation?

They must do some good, but I have ambivalent feelings about them (to put it gently).

They seem to be very tied to big pharma and other large financial medical organizations, and to simply assume those agendas.

There was that disastrous attempt a few years ago to tie themselves to a right-wing political agenda.

They seem to promote mammograms and - I have been told - do little to push lifestyle changes and other preventive measures that might lower the # of new occurrences.

Their publicity impact seems to be in making fighting for the desease into something that everyone “gets behind”. So the NFL and all these large corporations are all about the October push. And these financial institutions raise a lot of $, raise awareness, and look good.

Where does that $ go? How much are they doing for persons diagnosed with breast cancer and their families, and how much are they doing for the big $ cancer industry?

@f00l Yes I was referring to LLS. They do more for individual patients on a personal level who need help than any breast cancer organizations I know of. The breast cancer (BC) groups seem to have a fairly big political agenda and that has served them well with respect to getting money (and they do support research), getting legislation passed that if you have breast cancer and no health insurance you can get medicaid for 2 years regardless of your state’s rules about medicaid (and what about other cancers??? why aren’t they included???), they have raised awareness for screening, etc. So in that regards they have done a lot of good and it has taken their massive marketing machine and political savvy to do so. And that, of course, takes a lot of money. They raise the most amount of money of any “cancer” if you look collectively at the combined amount given for BC.

Cancer patients aren’t always the best donors as the financial toxicity of cancer kind of ruins many of our lives with respect to donating money to any other cause than our cancer bills unfortunately. As a result to get the money they need for their agenda they need corporate money - which in and of itself isn’t bad presuming that then those corporations don’t then use threat of withdrawal of future donations to influence the agenda of the organizations.

In my personal opinion (and there are many who will disagree with me and there is no rule anyone has to agree with me) the entire “pink” thing; that BC is not what you had, rather it is who you are for the rest of your life; that there is something sort of wrong with you if you back away as your life moves forward when you remain in remission (for those who relapse or have stage 4 it is a different journey) is something I resent. I resent they chose to use war metaphors. I resent that I am somehow a traitor to the “cause” if I back away, don’t wear that I have cancer on my sleeve (literally with ribbons, t-shirts…), that I don’t join the walks and flaunt I am a “survivor” and publicly walk with them to show I had that BC. Twice. Once on each side. And lived. Do they not realize how that could sink a job search? But I am somehow a “bad” representative of BC if I don’t do this.

BC is NOT who I am, it is what I had, it is part of my life and of course we all have some bad things that happen to us that help shape who we are now, will be tomorrow… But BC is only what I had, just as my education is what I did. Who I AM is what I do with my life and not what I have or “got”.

The contrast with BC how the Lymphoma cancers organizations behave is so different. There are no ribbons, no giant marketing machine, etc. And it is a relief. Of course there is then the problem that there is less money for blood cancers (outside of childhood leukemia). That is the down side of not having a well oiled marketing, political and fundraising machine. LLS though does reimburse selected expenses (health insurance premiums and treatment) up to $2500 (used to be $5000 but donations are down - they have not recovered from the financial crisis drop; the application to get that money requires jumping through a ton of hoops - rightfully so - and independent verification of cancer, verification of income…). They also support research. And most of the lymphoma/blood cancer organizations have lower overhead than the BC ones.

I am more concerned about the non-hodgkin’s lymphoma (nhl) I have that has no cure, which is on its way to a relapse… and the cancer center I go to is going to boot me from their care if I can’t pay off at least $4200 of my bill (the part that went to collection that I convinced them earlier this week to pull back from that) by the end of Dec (I owe more than that but the rest is on a payment plan and so far I am managing to make those payments; they won’t put the rest on because I can’t afford how high those payments will be and made the mistake to try to negotiate the payment level so they found out and then refused to roll those bills into the payment plan). And I don’t have that money because I got laid off from a job I had for 18 mo and the one I have left pays less than than half of the other one - I am in HUD housing (the address meh has is that of my friend since any mail too big for our mailbox here has a short lifespan), get food stamps, don’t make enough for a subsidy for health insurance (and this state didn’t expand medicaid).

But of course any organization you donate to that supports a cause you believe in (as long as most of the money actually goes to the cause) will help someone. And that is a good thing. My bias right now is LLS, but then again that is because of my own, personal, crisis. You should donate to whatever is consistent with your own priorities. That you donate at all is a good thing. : ) I can’t donate but I do talk with others newly diagnosed, dumb down science stuff for email lists I am on for cancer to explain it to people who have long forgotten any science they ever knew, volunteer at a no kill cat shelter, try and keep my troubled adopted kid out of jail and help other parents with kids who behave similarly (and that last group are mostly the ones who have paid that forward with my gofundme - which is now mostly dead in the water due to donor fatigue)… We each do what we can and that is good. Thank you for donating to something. : )

@Kidsandliz
I’ve had a number of friends who had breast cancer or other cancers. It doesn’t define them. I lost a great friend to liver cancer, several people to the sorts of cancers targeted by LLS. A close family member to Stage IV ovarian. Some others.

I respect the Komen Foundation’s overall mission, and what they have done, but am not in love with them. On a marketing and outreach level they’ve succeeded like wildfire. I fear their ties to pharma and their dependence on Fortune 500 money has, to some degree, kept them from focusing on prevention issues (can they lobby in an area that might hurt a corporate donor?) or on patients’ financial/social/support needs. Otoh, all this is partially about big $. You get that at a corp HQ I guess.

As for patients and ex-patients having to mutate into public “cancer warriors”, I would resent the pressure. We all have private lives, we all have our own prefs. I’m not sorry the walks and awareness-raising exist. I hope the people doing those aren’t there because of guilt-trips.

@Kidsandliz
Btw, I know the Texas Monthly article I linked above does not target your situation. Am curious of what you thought of it nonetheless, since you know the innards of M D Anderson I think?

@Kidsandliz I agree with pretty much 100% of what you said.

@f00l for my part I don’t care for the Komen foundation at all, like @Kidsandliz said it’s a massive marketing machine.

I have the unique perspective of doing work for a company that gets asked to make all manner of pink products in the fall each year and see all the fakery where people are doing it because it’s the thing to do in October. I hate watching any major sporting event in October because of all the sponsorship deals and whatnot. The whole wearing pink thing was about raising awareness, awareness has been raised. Let’s wear gray for brain cancer or something!

@jbartus
@Kidsandliz
I assume The Komen Foundation does good work within the range of what they attempt. But they’re not my thing so far.

I’ve been giving some $ to the American Cancer Society.
Cancer.org

I’ve never really looked into them to see how the operate, as I should. I hope they’re fine.

@f00l The article is pretty accurate, as far as I know. I know for my current cancers the vaccinations don’t work very well. On the other hand the monoclonal antibody (in my case rituxan, and so it technically not a chemo) is a standard first line treatment cocktail and is the only thing that has lengthened life a bit with people who have my particular nhl (along with some others).

My oncologist is working on immunology stuff; I know that this is big (and big outside of MD Anderson too - they just happen to have a center for it). Also another thing they are doing is instead of dumping a drug due to over all “average” non/low response, they are seeing if they can identify if the people who did respond have something in common that they can then use to separate out those folks and then use the drug to treat them. The advances in genetics has helped with that too.

One major focus is try to use a less generic approach in how people are treated with the same subtype of cancer (meaning identify more narrow sub -subtypes so to speak that collective respond well to something even if another sub-subtype of the same cancer does not - this is what they mean by individualizing cancer treatment). But of course like most things out there, as they said it may look promising in mice and then bomb in humans, it is expensive to take something from idea to commercial drug, and many ideas never make it that far.

Thus one limiting factor is money for R&D, which is expensive, and which is one reason why small venture capital backed startups are developing drugs that the promising amongst them are then bought out by the big pharmas who have the infrastructure to do the needed clinical trials that the small startup does not have access to nor the money to create. Reasonably symbiotic actually. Most academic centers also have an office for commercialization of what is developed by faculty research and that often involves selling the patent or get royalties, etc. to the big pharmas.

@f00l There are a number of watchdog organizations that report on % of budget spent on their mission vs salaries, etc. You can always check out something that way. Usually (if I recall correctly), they are looking for 80% of the budget to be spent on the mission. If too little is spent they lose their non-profit status (what happened to the Sierra Club, for example).

@jbartus Agreed. There is a limited universe of corporate and other big money and it needs spread around more.

@Kidsandliz
Yeah re funding. A number of the enormous UT-system campuses have grown like bonkers - and charged the expense to their students - because they are in the “business” of chasing patents and corporate research partnerships. Big begets bigger (which is the point) and these schools had the $ to start big. It’s all about huge $ and being in the top of some list of research centers in a given area.

Which usually yields excellent academic work. Plus all that $ to grow the university further.

It just gets me po’ed that students who do not profit from this activity are paying for it. Students are a cash cow and “volume product” now.

At least undergrad students don’t pay for the med schools. UT Austin is doing yet another major expansion of an enormous medical school and research center, this one in Austin, associated with Breckenridge Hospital. Dell Medical School. I think they intend friendly competition with the research at the Texas Medical Center and at M D Anderson and Southwestern and the schools in Galveston and San Antonio and Baylor and the other schools.

@f00l unfortunately the ACS doesn’t score too well, the biggest issue they have as I see it is that they spend too much money to bring money in meaning their marketing isn’t effective.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6495

It costs the ACS $0.36 to bring in $1.00 in donations, Dana Farber by comparison spends $0.05. This represents 34.2% of the ACS’ budget alone, when you add in their administrative expenses they’re spending less than $0.60 of every dollar given on their programs.

@jbartus
Thx.

@Kidsandliz Starred posts can be unstarred by reclicking.

@narfcake Yes I know…I did actually vote for 3 and do know I have to remove 2 of them eventually… : ) Which ones depends on how much they pay me… the bidding can start now.

@Kidsandliz If it’s a 3-way tie, then maybe they should all be goated at the same time.

@Kidsandliz Yes, you can delete a whole nomination if you want to!

@ELUNO And I bet you think hope it will be yours…

To be fair I removed my excess votes and now only have one on record.

@PlacidPenguin I love technicalities! The toonster gets my vote!

@PlacidPenguin keeps saying all month he is not the goat but a penguin. I vote to goat him again until he figures it out.

@CaptAmehrican

Please read

@PlacidPenguin There are two nominations for @jbartus … aka the one that nominated you last month.

I believe the unofficial rule is that the votes are added together. Or is that they multiply? Either way, I guess.

@narfcake

@jbartus has been on my radar for a lot of 2016. However, other priorities take precedence.

What about the @f00l though? There are 2 or 3 posts nominating him.

@PlacidPenguin Well they couldn’t be my posts!

Blame the goat if you’re thinking differently.

@narfcake or perhaps if they have 5 votes on nomination #1 and 38 votes on nomination #2 it is 5 to the 38th power?

@Kidsandliz Even better!

@Kidsandliz @narfcake

Pick any combination from the two sections, and you’ll get the implied question:

@f00l - 11 votes
@f00l - 14 votes
@f00l - 25 votes
@f00l - 154 votes
@f00l - 11^14 votes

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@jbartus - 9 votes
@jbartus - 10 votes
@jbartus - 19 votes
@jbartus - 90 votes
@jbartus - 9^10 votes

@PlacidPenguin

@f00l

If we use the last number for both you and @jbartus

You have 3.79749833583E14 votes

And @jbartus has 3,486,784,401 votes

3.79 < 3,486,784,401. (I got rid of the error)

@PlacidPenguin
The choice of vote counting methods properly belongs to the voters, I suppose.

@f00l

I should probably vote then.

@PlacidPenguin except that E14 isn’t an error… if you want to treat it that way I’ve got 3.48

3.48 < 3.79

@jbartus
Somehow I skipped mentioning that.
Hmmm.

Do I have an ethics problem, or did it just slip my mind?

@narfcake

I’m currently laughing now due to the fact that you things a bit easier for me. I get to cross a name off of a list.

@PlacidPenguin
Please edit your results.

Edit his numeric periods into numeric commas.

Edit my numeric commas into numeric periods.

I seek only the truth.

I am lying.

@ELUNO great minds think alike. I just wrote this above without having seen your post yet.

@ELUNO Brilliant!

@ELUNO

First deal with @Ignorant suspending goathood.

@PlacidPenguin no, no, he comes after you. After all, the Bible says so:

“So the last will be first, and the first last.” Matthew 20:16

@jbartus

Dunno what context that was said in, however, I HIGHLY doubt it has anything to do with goats.

@jbartus @Matthew 2016? I thought the presidential elections are over …

@narfcake can we please not go political here? I’m so tired of popular vote vs. electoral college debates. >.>

@ELUNO

Wow, talk about a conspiracy.

@Kidsandliz - See, I don’t NEED to call out @Shawn for bragging rights. The universe has ways of making these things happen.

@PlacidPenguin Chortle chortle - nope I don’t need to call him out because you just did LOL

@Kidsandliz

Precisely.

@jbartus @matthew is a staff member and can’t be goat

@CaptAmehrican wrong Matthew

@CaptAmehrican @jbartus

You spelled his name wrong.

It’s @shawn, not @matthew

@PlacidPenguin

@sammydog01

@RiotDemon
/giphy don’t be afraid

Not what I expected but I’ll leave it anyway.

@RiotDemon Next month. I’ll be waiting.

@sammydog01 I think @jbartus will be goated before me.

@RiotDemon this means war.

I’ll help you get RiotDemon next month @sammydog01!

@jbartus
Karma karma karma

@jbartus people want you for football season. You’re pretty much a shoe in now that @f00l got December.

@RiotDemon we’ll see.

@RiotDemon Nah, the Pats will be out of it by January.

@sammydog01
Ooooh. If the Pats get knocked out, poor Tom might have to go home to lonely Giselle.

I admit to finding the notion that they are hooked up continuously entertaining. But prob not as entertaining as they find it.

@Pavlov because he’d win.

@jbartus
@Pavlov

Sigh. Truth.

@PlacidPenguin Dammit, why aren’t you paying back the one who nominated you last month with votes?!

Also, the @ballotStufferer vote seems legit … right?

@narfcake

Sounds more legit than what we’ve seen the last 3 months…

As for my decision to vote for @f00l, I made the decision based on what would serve my interests better.

@f00l

If you’re not thrilled with results of the voting, send me $3.5 million, and I’ll recount the votes.

@PlacidPenguin
I might refuse to accept any results not calculated on the methodology of
"@f00l’s brain on drugs".

I get to pick which drug.

@f00l

@Kidsandliz

Well @f00l has one vote I don’t recognize (@ballotStufferer) , @jbartus has 3 (the two related to the Patriots, and @RequireAssembly).

@PlacidPenguin

That’s 4 fake votes too many.

@PlacidPenguin
Perhaps give it to @jbartus as a tribute to the Pats.

@f00l

Nah, I prefer the idea of having a @f00lish goat.

@f00l quit trying to weasel out of your rightful goatdom!

@jbartus

Wow. We finally agree on something.

@PlacidPenguin never before?

@jbartus

I don’t believe so.

@PlacidPenguin you wound me.

@jbartus

Blame @f00l.

@PlacidPenguin I guess I have no choice now.

@PlacidPenguin Nah.
/image teal deer