Product: 6-Pack: Natures Craft Liver Cleanse Detox & Repair Formula (6-month supply)
Model: 2830359
Condition: New
Promote stronger liver function with our unique detox pills enriched with Chanca Piedra, Berberine, Dandelion Root, Artichoke Leaf, and more for trusted liver care
Powered by Milk Thistle and antioxidants, our liver supplements help maintain normal liver function, while supporting digestion and immunity
Nourish and protect your liver daily with our herbal liver supplements designed to detox, cleanse, and support overall liver health
Natures Craft supplements are cruelty-free, non-GMO, and formulated in American GMP facilities, providing guilt-free, high-quality support.
How to Use: As a dietary supplement, take two (2) veggie capsules once daily. For best results, take 20-30 min before a meal with an 8oz glass of water or as directed by your healthcare professional.
@IndifferentDude My dad used to like horseradish, red and white, he’d eat it with matzoh balls, seriously. I thought it was gross, I could never, childhood trauma. He never had problems with his liver.
@scilynt If it’s correct that it “helps” digestion (big if), I’d suggest it might do the opposite! You’d want to absorb fewer fats and calories, and lower your triglycerides, not absorb more.
If you’re looking for what you can do at home without prescription meds, it’s probably best to go with the usual recommendations, along the lines of shedding fat in general: reducing calorie intake, healthy diet, exercise, manage other risk factors like diabetes, high cholesterol / blood pressure / triglyceride levels, etc…
@AySz88@scilynt previous advice is not bad, but want to point out that contrary to common sense and historical advice NAFLD is not really related to fats in your diet. This supplement specifically has things in it that might help but quite low doses, proprietary blend (which is confounding), and who knows what it’s combinations really do (not studied, it’s a shotgun approach: lots of little doses, spread out).
Lots of people have NAFLD these days, it is diet related. In recent past your doc would have assumed you were a secret alcoholic. My general non medical advice suggestion? 1. Weight loss! First few percentages most important. Obviously I can’t see you but this typically needed, though it is possible to be “skinny fat” 2. Berberine powder 3. TUDCA 4. NO SUGARY DRINKS, no candy 5. It’s not the fat in your diet that makes your liver fat, it’s the liver being overwhelmed 6. If you drink alcohol, start limiting or take a break
Like I said a lot of the ingredients in this supplement actually are probably useful but the snake oil part is dosage issues and the nebulous proprietary blend. Probably best to research and just buy them individually or find foods that are naturally high in them (zinc, choline, etc).
Don’t buy the cheapest crap on Amazon. Spend a few extra bucks for 6 months and retest. Thorne, Jarrow are well respected. For whole sale amounts nootropics depot, (liftmode also seems dependable), buy a $20 diamond scale that measures to .001g. For researching supplements: examine.com , consumerlabs amongst a few others.
Peter Attia and/or Robert Luftkin have some introductory material if I recall correctly if you want a podcast.
Good luck, NAFLD isn’t a life ending diagnosis but it should be treated more seriously as it can and does progress and you really do need your liver. Many doctors see it too often and are too burned out of seeing lifestyle diseases that are hard to motivate patients to change.
@AySz88@qazxto@scilynt Also the Mayo Clinic has a database of snake oil “natural” and “alternative treatment” stuff that has been scientifically tested along with the results. You can look up all sorts of things there to see if any effect (pos or neg or none) was found.
@AySz88@qazxto@scilynt I was excited to see something in addition to consumerlabs until I saw the price (which they do a good job of making it hard to find. I guess that they hope you forget to cancel after your free 7 days). OMG. I wonder if anyone has compared what they look at with what is in the Mayo Clinic database (free and definitely research based as all they do is post research results from research others did and was published in peer reviewed journals - that matters for credibility - in simple language in a way that makes it easy to find) or, for that matter, in the much cheaper consumerlabs which claims to be research based.
This is examine’s price:
Free 7 days then (if you fail to cancel)
$29/mo
$198/year
$799 life time access (presuming the lifetime of the website is at least the same as your life span).
@scilynt Look up the information on how the liver deals with fructose, and then consider the fact that table sugar is 50% fructose, and the sweetener in soft drinks is HFCS that can be anywhere from 55% to 70% (seldom higher) fructose. Some people have an easier time adapting to a no-sweet lifestyle once they really understand what that stuff does and why you don’t need it. (Starches devolve into glucose when digested, and while massive amounts of that are also problematic, glucose uptake, conversion and deposition is less troublesome in the absence of the effects of lots of fructose.)
@scilynt@werehatrack - your body turns food into, amongst other things, glucose as that is what “feeds” your body and what exclusively feeds your brain. As a result even if you consume nothing with any “sugar” in it (so excludes most, for example fruits) you will still have glucose being made in your body.
Not only does that second review they quoted in the write-up say nothing specific about this product, making it sound totally like AI generated B.S., but also supposedly
“54 people found this helpful”???
Their profile seems to have that same review copy/pasted across a bunch of items.
To the meh writer’s benefit, they did seem to be highlighting the same thing with the “what ChatGPT has done to us” bit (though this seems even lazier than that). Yet somehow there’s almost 100 orders actually buying this crap instead of just random people finding it in IRKs a year from now…
@Kyeh@werehatrack “Amazon Customer” can be a proper legal name. “Customer” is a last name for some people and “Amazon” doesn’t sound unbelievable as a first name either.
If the liver didn’t cleanse itself as part of the “being alive” process 24 hours a day, we’d all be dead within a week. “Cleanse” is always a tip-off to the snek.
Go to Amazon and sort by most recent reviews. About 1/3 are talking about this making them quite sick seems like at best it’s snake oil and pretty often, it will throw your entire system into disarray
the entire supplement industry is dubious.
and a large percentage of it it total horseshit.
completely unregulated with no verification of claims.
what could possibly go wrong?
Liver detox is an absolute scam. If your liver actually needs detoxxing, you will be in the hospital because you need a transplant, not a random supplement that, statistically, contains more lead than actually-useful ingredients and, based on the reviews for this product, typically makes the people who take it quite ill because supplements are an entirely unregulated industry allowed to sell you literally anything and tell you to put it in your body.
I think it would be prudent for meh to not sell this kind of unregulated, dubious stuff (dope gnomes are a better choice and I didn’t like those), some of which can make you sick or cause other problems - problems like s getting sicker, sick from the supplement itself, etc.and which can incidentally include putting off getting medical care for the problem and thus having a potentially worse outcome. Or even worse, substitute stuff like this for legit medical care that is science based. Plenty of research shows, for example, in cancer, choosing “alternative and/or natural” so called “treatments” results in worse outcomes for the patient and often leads them to a preventable (eg didn’t take what would likely cure them), shorter survival even if the cancer is not curable, and a premature death.
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Product: 6-Pack: Natures Craft Liver Cleanse Detox & Repair Formula (6-month supply)
Model: 2830359
Condition: New
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$119.97 (for 6) at Amazon
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I cleanse mine with alcohol.
@yakkoTDI Disinfects, also!
@phendrick @yakkoTDI something something please don’t try to disinfect your insides (or outsides) with bleach
Will this help me grow hair on my liver?
@OnionSoup-Yes, plus ya get a new set of hairy balls!! 🫣
Just thinking… If UPS leaves this on your doorstep, but then a porch pirate steals it. Both the UPS driver and the Porch pirate would have de-livered.
@OnionSoup
Sometimes I think Meh picks the most random shit and then makes bets on who will buy it. Tomorrow will be a belly button lent collection box.
@Num1Zero I’d buy that. No lie.
@haydesigner @Num1Zero A collection box for lenten offerings, in the shape of a navel. Okay.
Ophioleates.
@werehatrack Huh?
@robson Ophiology = the study of snakes (specifically)
oleates = oils
Smaller bottles and more expensive than good motor flush.
@phendrick BG’s EPR doubtless does more for an engine than this does for a liver.
The clicky face sure looks lonely today. Kinda like that one leaf left on my small tree.
I eat a teaspoon of Horseradish each night to cleanse my liver. Yum!!
@IndifferentDude I do like horseradish but usually only eat it with my prime rib. I guess I better stock up on prime rib and horseradish
@IndifferentDude-Sweet, or Pickled!!
@IndifferentDude My dad used to like horseradish, red and white, he’d eat it with matzoh balls, seriously. I thought it was gross, I could never, childhood trauma. He never had problems with his liver.
@DecoratedWarVet XXX-HOT!!
Oh Yeah!!
This snake oil doesn’t even taste like snake!
@CraigDanger-If it doesn’t walk, or talk like a snake, then maybe it ain’t a snake!!
🫢
@CraigDanger @DecoratedWarVet If it walks, it’s not a snake.
My doctor just told me I have signs of non-alcoholic fatty liver. Will this be useful for that specifically lol?
@scilynt If it’s correct that it “helps” digestion (big if), I’d suggest it might do the opposite! You’d want to absorb fewer fats and calories, and lower your triglycerides, not absorb more.
If you’re looking for what you can do at home without prescription meds, it’s probably best to go with the usual recommendations, along the lines of shedding fat in general: reducing calorie intake, healthy diet, exercise, manage other risk factors like diabetes, high cholesterol / blood pressure / triglyceride levels, etc…
@AySz88 @scilynt previous advice is not bad, but want to point out that contrary to common sense and historical advice NAFLD is not really related to fats in your diet. This supplement specifically has things in it that might help but quite low doses, proprietary blend (which is confounding), and who knows what it’s combinations really do (not studied, it’s a shotgun approach: lots of little doses, spread out).
Lots of people have NAFLD these days, it is diet related. In recent past your doc would have assumed you were a secret alcoholic. My general non medical advice suggestion? 1. Weight loss! First few percentages most important. Obviously I can’t see you but this typically needed, though it is possible to be “skinny fat” 2. Berberine powder 3. TUDCA 4. NO SUGARY DRINKS, no candy 5. It’s not the fat in your diet that makes your liver fat, it’s the liver being overwhelmed 6. If you drink alcohol, start limiting or take a break
Like I said a lot of the ingredients in this supplement actually are probably useful but the snake oil part is dosage issues and the nebulous proprietary blend. Probably best to research and just buy them individually or find foods that are naturally high in them (zinc, choline, etc).
Don’t buy the cheapest crap on Amazon. Spend a few extra bucks for 6 months and retest. Thorne, Jarrow are well respected. For whole sale amounts nootropics depot, (liftmode also seems dependable), buy a $20 diamond scale that measures to .001g. For researching supplements: examine.com , consumerlabs amongst a few others.
Peter Attia and/or Robert Luftkin have some introductory material if I recall correctly if you want a podcast.
Good luck, NAFLD isn’t a life ending diagnosis but it should be treated more seriously as it can and does progress and you really do need your liver. Many doctors see it too often and are too burned out of seeing lifestyle diseases that are hard to motivate patients to change.
@AySz88 @qazxto @scilynt Also the Mayo Clinic has a database of
snake oil“natural” and “alternative treatment” stuff that has been scientifically tested along with the results. You can look up all sorts of things there to see if any effect (pos or neg or none) was found.@AySz88 @qazxto @scilynt I was excited to see something in addition to consumerlabs until I saw the price (which they do a good job of making it hard to find. I guess that they hope you forget to cancel after your free 7 days). OMG. I wonder if anyone has compared what they look at with what is in the Mayo Clinic database (free and definitely research based as all they do is post research results from research others did and was published in peer reviewed journals - that matters for credibility - in simple language in a way that makes it easy to find) or, for that matter, in the much cheaper consumerlabs which claims to be research based.
This is examine’s price:
Free 7 days then (if you fail to cancel)
$29/mo
$198/year
$799 life time access (presuming the lifetime of the website is at least the same as your life span).
@scilynt Look up the information on how the liver deals with fructose, and then consider the fact that table sugar is 50% fructose, and the sweetener in soft drinks is HFCS that can be anywhere from 55% to 70% (seldom higher) fructose. Some people have an easier time adapting to a no-sweet lifestyle once they really understand what that stuff does and why you don’t need it. (Starches devolve into glucose when digested, and while massive amounts of that are also problematic, glucose uptake, conversion and deposition is less troublesome in the absence of the effects of lots of fructose.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5893377/
@scilynt @werehatrack - your body turns food into, amongst other things, glucose as that is what “feeds” your body and what exclusively feeds your brain. As a result even if you consume nothing with any “sugar” in it (so excludes most, for example fruits) you will still have glucose being made in your body.
Not only does that second review they quoted in the write-up say nothing specific about this product, making it sound totally like AI generated B.S., but also supposedly
“54 people found this helpful”???
@Kyeh And the username is “Amazon Customer”
@werehatrack
Sooo believable.
Their profile seems to have that same review copy/pasted across a bunch of items.
To the meh writer’s benefit, they did seem to be highlighting the same thing with the “what ChatGPT has done to us” bit (though this seems even lazier than that). Yet somehow there’s almost 100 orders actually buying this crap instead of just random people finding it in IRKs a year from now…
@Kyeh @werehatrack “Amazon Customer” can be a proper legal name. “Customer” is a last name for some people and “Amazon” doesn’t sound unbelievable as a first name either.
So $6/bottle for a zinc supplement. Meh
@highonpez Hardly a zinc supplement… it contains 50mg zinc and literally 20 other ingredients
@troy Fun fact: I have no idea how much zinc is a good amount. I just eat spinach.
Ohh I trust left over stock that no one else wanted to buy to clean my liver. How bout you?
@audiocontr I totally trust it to clean your liver.
If the liver didn’t cleanse itself as part of the “being alive” process 24 hours a day, we’d all be dead within a week. “Cleanse” is always a tip-off to the snek.
Maybe you’d make it two weeks, but you’d be awful yeller…
I’m old enough to have worked for Carter Wallace
Go to Amazon and sort by most recent reviews. About 1/3 are talking about this making them quite sick
seems like at best it’s snake oil and pretty often, it will throw your entire system into disarray
the entire supplement industry is dubious.
and a large percentage of it it total horseshit.
completely unregulated with no verification of claims.
what could possibly go wrong?
I just hear Doctor Mike in my head saying “The liver cleanses itself”!
Yay! Support for both bile AND vitriol…
@MrNews I enjoyed your humorous comment.
Liver detox is an absolute scam. If your liver actually needs detoxxing, you will be in the hospital because you need a transplant, not a random supplement that, statistically, contains more lead than actually-useful ingredients and, based on the reviews for this product, typically makes the people who take it quite ill because supplements are an entirely unregulated industry allowed to sell you literally anything and tell you to put it in your body.
No. Just no.
I think it would be prudent for meh to not sell this kind of unregulated, dubious stuff (dope gnomes are a better choice and I didn’t like those), some of which can make you sick or cause other problems - problems like s getting sicker, sick from the supplement itself, etc.and which can incidentally include putting off getting medical care for the problem and thus having a potentially worse outcome. Or even worse, substitute stuff like this for legit medical care that is science based. Plenty of research shows, for example, in cancer, choosing “alternative and/or natural” so called “treatments” results in worse outcomes for the patient and often leads them to a preventable (eg didn’t take what would likely cure them), shorter survival even if the cancer is not curable, and a premature death.