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@IndifferentDude My dad used to like horseradish, red and white, he’d eat it with matzoh balls, seriously. I thought it was gross, I could never, childhood trauma. He never had problems with his liver.
@scilynt If it’s correct that it “helps” digestion (big if), I’d suggest it might do the opposite! You’d want to absorb fewer fats and calories, and lower your triglycerides, not absorb more.
If you’re looking for what you can do at home without prescription meds, it’s probably best to go with the usual recommendations, along the lines of shedding fat in general: reducing calorie intake, healthy diet, exercise, manage other risk factors like diabetes, high cholesterol / blood pressure / triglyceride levels, etc…
@AySz88@scilynt previous advice is not bad, but want to point out that contrary to common sense and historical advice NAFLD is not really related to fats in your diet. This supplement specifically has things in it that might help but quite low doses, proprietary blend (which is confounding), and who knows what it’s combinations really do (not studied, it’s a shotgun approach: lots of little doses, spread out).
Lots of people have NAFLD these days, it is diet related. In recent past your doc would have assumed you were a secret alcoholic. My general non medical advice suggestion? 1. Weight loss! First few percentages most important. Obviously I can’t see you but this typically needed, though it is possible to be “skinny fat” 2. Berberine powder 3. TUDCA 4. NO SUGARY DRINKS, no candy 5. It’s not the fat in your diet that makes your liver fat, it’s the liver being overwhelmed 6. If you drink alcohol, start limiting or take a break
Like I said a lot of the ingredients in this supplement actually are probably useful but the snake oil part is dosage issues and the nebulous proprietary blend. Probably best to research and just buy them individually or find foods that are naturally high in them (zinc, choline, etc).
Don’t buy the cheapest crap on Amazon. Spend a few extra bucks for 6 months and retest. Thorne, Jarrow are well respected. For whole sale amounts nootropics depot, (liftmode also seems dependable), buy a $20 diamond scale that measures to .001g. For researching supplements: examine.com , consumerlabs amongst a few others.
Peter Attia and/or Robert Luftkin have some introductory material if I recall correctly if you want a podcast.
Good luck, NAFLD isn’t a life ending diagnosis but it should be treated more seriously as it can and does progress and you really do need your liver. Many doctors see it too often and are too burned out of seeing lifestyle diseases that are hard to motivate patients to change.
@AySz88@qazxto@scilynt Also the Mayo Clinic has a database of snake oil “natural” and “alternative treatment” stuff that has been scientifically tested along with the results. You can look up all sorts of things there to see if any effect (pos or neg or none) was found.
@AySz88@qazxto@scilynt I was excited to see something in addition to consumerlabs until I saw the price (which they do a good job of making it hard to find. I guess that they hope you forget to cancel after your free 7 days). OMG. I wonder if anyone has compared what they look at with what is in the Mayo Clinic database (free and definitely research based as all they do is post research results from research others did and was published in peer reviewed journals - that matters for credibility - in simple language in a way that makes it easy to find) or, for that matter, in the much cheaper consumerlabs which claims to be research based.
This is examine’s price:
Free 7 days then (if you fail to cancel)
$29/mo
$198/year
$799 life time access (presuming the lifetime of the website is at least the same as your life span).
@scilynt Look up the information on how the liver deals with fructose, and then consider the fact that table sugar is 50% fructose, and the sweetener in soft drinks is HFCS that can be anywhere from 55% to 70% (seldom higher) fructose. Some people have an easier time adapting to a no-sweet lifestyle once they really understand what that stuff does and why you don’t need it. (Starches devolve into glucose when digested, and while massive amounts of that are also problematic, glucose uptake, conversion and deposition is less troublesome in the absence of the effects of lots of fructose.)
@scilynt@werehatrack - your body turns food into, amongst other things, glucose as that is what “feeds” your body and what exclusively feeds your brain. As a result even if you consume nothing with any “sugar” in it (so excludes most, for example fruits) you will still have glucose being made in your body.
@Kidsandliz Entirely correct! There is no such thing as an essential carb for someone with a fully functional metabolism - and if a person’s system is so damaged (or otherwise compromised) that it can’t generate glycogen, then they need to be under a very carefully monitored care regimen by the appropriate specialists, not trying to wing it using Internet guru advice (including mine!)
@scilynt this might be a good time to remind readers that, although an excellent source for information, you should also consider medical professionals’ advice when choosing your medications. also, don’t take meh if you’re allergic to meh. could cause death, blindness or erectile dysfunction.
@room902@scilynt And (to continue Room902’s post), empty your wallet and hoarding disease if you accidentally click the buy button too often instead of the meh button.
Not only does that second review they quoted in the write-up say nothing specific about this product, making it sound totally like AI generated B.S., but also supposedly
“54 people found this helpful”???
Their profile seems to have that same review copy/pasted across a bunch of items.
To the meh writer’s benefit, they did seem to be highlighting the same thing with the “what ChatGPT has done to us” bit (though this seems even lazier than that). Yet somehow there’s almost 100 orders actually buying this crap instead of just random people finding it in IRKs a year from now…
@Kyeh@werehatrack “Amazon Customer” can be a proper legal name. “Customer” is a last name for some people and “Amazon” doesn’t sound unbelievable as a first name either.
@blaineg@Kyeh@OnionSoup I wonder if they have an annual family reunion. And if they all go to Panera for lunch, how do they know who’s being called when their order is ready?
@Kyeh@werehatrack Talking about fake reviews, how ironic…
After receiving an order from Amazon yesterday I was going to comment about this.
I was thrilled to see Included with my item was a $30 gift card which is only $5 less than the sale price of item I bought. Until I read it… The gift card clearly states that I MUST leave them a 5 star review AND that I’m NOT to mention anything about receiving the gift card! So I’m being bribed and asked to lie if I want to pay only $5 for my item.
HOW on earth is THAT legal? And then of course there is the morality of it, especially since I don’t think they deserve a 5 star review!
Should I leave the 5 stars and then go on to list ALL of the cons and say instructions would have been great or maybe just keep quiet and include the YouTube link of the detailed review where I found some of the answers to MY questions? I could cash out the gift card and then return the item, but that’s where morality, karma and good ju ju come into play. And I don’t want bad ju ju!
I know one thing for sure, I’ll be looking at those 5 star Amazon reviews VERY DIFFERENTLY!
@Kyeh@Lynnerizer@werehatrack I got one of those $30 gift card offers that looks just like your card (maybe the same vendor?) on a security camera I bought to try to catch whomever is stealing items from my apartment. I will be posting my review with a photo of the gift card and an honest review. For the money it was worth about 2 stars (had it cost more it would have been one star). All I caught was the backside of someone’s shirt leaving my apartment and that was blurry (the live video isn’t but the 8 second delay is a pain and then if someone remains in there moving around it takes another 30 seconds or so for another screenshot. I then went to live view and by the time it connected all I heard was two voices and my door shut. The not included SIM card to record has a proprietary recording system that I am having trouble viewing. I missed the return window because I was out of state when it arrived and by the time I opened it to set it up and discovered all of this I missed it (and blame to the goat I missed clicking meh 3 times while I was out of town last month…). Post your review with a photo of the gift card. And report it to Amazon. They aren’t allowed to do that. I plan to take care of that today.
@catthegreat@Kyeh@Lynnerizer@werehatrack master key I presume. We have a new assistant maintenance person. That would be my suspect #1. Hall video should catch him but management is unwilling to look. Someone said she is calling the police since mgt is ignoring our complaints.
@Kidsandliz@Kyeh@werehatrack
Mine was a portable microscope and right now I forget who the seller was. I haven’t written a review yet or done anything else with it. But you and your thieves, THAT is AWFUL! Who is able to get into your apartment without doing damage and what are they taking? It’s such a violation and feels terrible. As a child my family home was robbed and then I had a creep who had an obsession with me coming into my house and going through my dresser drawers and listening to my answering machine. It’s one of the worst feelings, especially before you know who it is, I think that’s even worse. I’m sorry you’re going through this and I hope you get answers soon!
@catthegreat@Kidsandliz@Kyeh@Lynnerizer@werehatrack my friend found out the thief at his office was the security manager (the person that installed the cameras and watches the footage). At least the manager was good enough at his job to not delete the footage (where they steal a $4500 PC).
They had been put on early retirement (it was the boss’s PC) and after three weeks of enjoying said retirement, was rehired as a deputy manager by the company three floors below.
@Kyeh@Lynnerizer@werehatrack No answers yet. Likely it was a master key as there was no damage and it is a bolt. I am not the only one missing things, Fortunately the stuff I am missing is just that. Stuff. And not things I really value. I have taken the precaution to move the family stuff I value to the storage unit temporarily although I shouldn’t have to do that. I was pissed though about my milk chocolate Trader Joe’s pound plus bars as I can only get them when I am in Houston for cancer center visits and I love that chocolate. I had only eaten one so far. Better them though than, say, my great grandmother’s earrings. Makes me tempted, when I am back there again, to buy more and then put a small amount of poison in them (not enough to kill someone, rather just enough to make the thief really sick).
As a kid we were robbed too. I had three dollars taken (saved from a 25 cents a week allowance) and my sister got lucky as hers was more hidden and didn’t lose her money. Mom lost all her jewelry and some other things I no longer remember what (I was in elementary school). That was not nice to get home that night from a month’s vacation (car camping - we had a lot of fun on those vacations) to find the house had been broken into and stuff gone.
@Kidsandliz@Kyeh@werehatrack
Yeah that stinks when you’re that little. When our house got robbed I was in high school and as I was coming in the front door they heard me and ran out my bedroom door into the side yard dropping my stereo. My bedroom at the time had it’s own outside entrance/exit. My dad was heartbroken to lose his college ring and some other jewelry. Thank goodness they didn’t find my mom’s jewels! They also took several silver plated trophies, dad was an AMAZING golfer and athlete with lots of beautiful trophies. My mom had some nice golf trophies too. That’s actually how we eventually caught the jerks! About a week later I happened to notice a fingerprint starting to appear on one of the silver bowls they touched but didn’t take, and I told the detective in charge. That’s how they/he was identified. Turned out to be a kid and his cronies that went to school with me before he dropped out in the 8th grade. I remember he’d come to our HS and sell weed before school. Guess burglary was what helped support his habits. Found out they were responsible for many burglaries in surrounding towns. Even though I felt guilty as heck for just knowing him I did feel so much better knowing WHO it was. I don’t remember what happened to them but I never saw him again. Crime sucks!
@highonpez I can tell you you definitely can take too much. My dad was eating those over-the-counter “cold stopper” pills (Airborne??) and ended up with a host of side-effects.
@highonpez Given that the label shows the zinc content as 273% of the daily value, taking this every day for six months seems likely to be way too much.
@highonpez@werehatrack
We liked Airborne a few years ago but only took it occasionally. I WAS going to ask what kind of side effects but the link explained it. As I remember it you weren’t supposed to take that Airborne long term. Thanks for the link werehatrack!
If the liver didn’t cleanse itself as part of the “being alive” process 24 hours a day, we’d all be dead within a week. “Cleanse” is always a tip-off to the snek.
Go to Amazon and sort by most recent reviews. About 1/3 are talking about this making them quite sick seems like at best it’s snake oil and pretty often, it will throw your entire system into disarray
@blaineg@shirlema Gosh, what an unexpected outcome! How could something so chock full of natural ingredients possibly cause distress? [goes back to munching on foxglove-dusted amanita slices sauteed with castor beans in red wine][do not try this at home, or anywhere else, for that matter.]
the entire supplement industry is dubious.
and a large percentage of it it total horseshit.
completely unregulated with no verification of claims.
what could possibly go wrong?
Liver detox is an absolute scam. If your liver actually needs detoxxing, you will be in the hospital because you need a transplant, not a random supplement that, statistically, contains more lead than actually-useful ingredients and, based on the reviews for this product, typically makes the people who take it quite ill because supplements are an entirely unregulated industry allowed to sell you literally anything and tell you to put it in your body.
I think it would be prudent for meh to not sell this kind of unregulated, dubious stuff (dope gnomes are a better choice and I didn’t like those), some of which can make you sick or cause other problems - problems like s getting sicker, sick from the supplement itself, etc.and which can incidentally include putting off getting medical care for the problem and thus having a potentially worse outcome. Or even worse, substitute stuff like this for legit medical care that is science based. Plenty of research shows, for example, in cancer, choosing “alternative and/or natural” so called “treatments” results in worse outcomes for the patient and often leads them to a preventable (eg didn’t take what would likely cure them), shorter survival even if the cancer is not curable, and a premature death.
@blaineg A GP friend (now retired) used to rant about her patients who came in with mysterious complaints that turned out to have been caused by “herbal supplements” and “natural detox aids” and “cleanses”. Some of them had already involved ER visits by the time she was consulted.
Hmmm, I’ve heard this “liver” thing mentioned a couple times, but I don’t really know anything about it. I have one in my body, I take it. Is it important? Should I care about my liver? How does my liver affect me?
Maybe I should get some more information. This seems like the right month to start learning about the liver.
So if you get captured by pirates, and they look at you and say…“Arghh, I’m going to eat your liver” you can assure them that it’s nice and clean. Sounds like a great idea.
I get that this is the “cheap crap on sale” site, but I can’t help but feel rubbed the wrong way seeing literal scam products being sold here. These things are pointless at best, and at worst can do serious harm to people who are having their good will taken advantage of. This is quite ethically dubious to sell and perpetuate.
@Nova_1231 Honest question – if Amazon and every other site is selling products like this, and they’re popular enough to generate over 38,000 reviews that are largely favorable… why is it so wrong to sell them here?
@troy Sorry, I’m trying to believe you that this is an honest question, but this is a very poorly thought out question if so. In what possible way does Amazon selling something give it moral clearance to be sold elsewhere? You’ve sprinted straight into a logical fallacy here. What you’ve said makes no sense at all. And for what it’s worth, I also don’t think these should be sold elsewhere, and for the exact same reasons I don’t think they should be sold here. I am not exaggerating when I say these are literally a scam, and a scam that has no benefit but horrific potential to do grievous harm to people by taking advantage of their good will and want to be healthier. I think it is morally indefensible to support this, and I think that’s true no matter what website it is sold on.
@Nova_1231@troy I think it is an ethical issue. As far as I know meh generally tries to behave ethically. Selling things that are unregulated (and thus you have no idea if what they claim is in there is actually in there at the level they claim - research documents that often that is NOT the case), that have far more then the required daily allowance where excess can harm you, etc. is not, in my opinion ethical. Regardless of whom else sells these this stuff.
Yes there some organizations that do test this stuff and put a stamp on them if they “pass” so please, at least, limit meh selling just that stuff. I think there is a difference between selling total junk items that don’t have the potential to harm you and stuff, like this, that does.
@Kidsandliz@Nova_1231@troy A further consideration is that as far as I can tell, Amazon is not the seller of record for the egregious products of this type that I saw in an admittedly cursory check. But in what appeared to be the majority of cases, they are clearly the order fulfiller at the very least. Does that absolve them of any culpability? In my limited opinion, no. (And for the ones sold via Whole Paycheck, absolutely not.) But until the FDA goes back to its 1900s roots, such frauds will remain widely available and promoted because there are people who will buy them, and Money Rules Everything. Sadly, for some of the crap that’s available, that’s going to require that Congress reverse part of their 1994 action that allowed the sale of such things to resume under the guise of “alternative medicine”. (The move began in the '70s, and gained considerable momentum in the Reagan/BushSr era, finally passing under Clinton as part of legislation whose selling point was reduced drug costs. And in the intervening years, the pharma industry has become ever more clever at being rapacious just outside the scope of that 1994 act.)
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Product: 6-Pack: Natures Craft Liver Cleanse Detox & Repair Formula (6-month supply)
Model: 2830359
Condition: New
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I cleanse mine with alcohol.
@yakkoTDI Disinfects, also!
@phendrick @yakkoTDI something something please don’t try to disinfect your insides (or outsides) with bleach
@phendrick @shirlema @yakkoTDI Yes, use sunlight to disinfect your insides, not bleach!
Will this help me grow hair on my liver?
@OnionSoup-Yes, plus ya get a new set of hairy balls!! 🫣
Just thinking… If UPS leaves this on your doorstep, but then a porch pirate steals it. Both the UPS driver and the Porch pirate would have de-livered.
@OnionSoup
Sometimes I think Meh picks the most random shit and then makes bets on who will buy it. Tomorrow will be a belly button lent collection box.
@Num1Zero I’d buy that. No lie.
@haydesigner @Num1Zero A collection box for lenten offerings, in the shape of a navel. Okay.
Ophioleates.
@werehatrack Huh?
@robson Ophiology = the study of snakes (specifically)
oleates = oils
Smaller bottles and more expensive than good motor flush.
@phendrick BG’s EPR doubtless does more for an engine than this does for a liver.
The clicky face sure looks lonely today. Kinda like that one leaf left on my small tree.
I eat a teaspoon of Horseradish each night to cleanse my liver. Yum!!
@IndifferentDude I do like horseradish but usually only eat it with my prime rib. I guess I better stock up on prime rib and horseradish
@IndifferentDude-Sweet, or Pickled!!
@IndifferentDude My dad used to like horseradish, red and white, he’d eat it with matzoh balls, seriously. I thought it was gross, I could never, childhood trauma. He never had problems with his liver.
@DecoratedWarVet XXX-HOT!!
Oh Yeah!!
This snake oil doesn’t even taste like snake!
@CraigDanger-If it doesn’t walk, or talk like a snake, then maybe it ain’t a snake!!
🫢
@CraigDanger @DecoratedWarVet If it walks, it’s not a snake.
My doctor just told me I have signs of non-alcoholic fatty liver. Will this be useful for that specifically lol?
@scilynt If it’s correct that it “helps” digestion (big if), I’d suggest it might do the opposite! You’d want to absorb fewer fats and calories, and lower your triglycerides, not absorb more.
If you’re looking for what you can do at home without prescription meds, it’s probably best to go with the usual recommendations, along the lines of shedding fat in general: reducing calorie intake, healthy diet, exercise, manage other risk factors like diabetes, high cholesterol / blood pressure / triglyceride levels, etc…
@AySz88 @scilynt previous advice is not bad, but want to point out that contrary to common sense and historical advice NAFLD is not really related to fats in your diet. This supplement specifically has things in it that might help but quite low doses, proprietary blend (which is confounding), and who knows what it’s combinations really do (not studied, it’s a shotgun approach: lots of little doses, spread out).
Lots of people have NAFLD these days, it is diet related. In recent past your doc would have assumed you were a secret alcoholic. My general non medical advice suggestion? 1. Weight loss! First few percentages most important. Obviously I can’t see you but this typically needed, though it is possible to be “skinny fat” 2. Berberine powder 3. TUDCA 4. NO SUGARY DRINKS, no candy 5. It’s not the fat in your diet that makes your liver fat, it’s the liver being overwhelmed 6. If you drink alcohol, start limiting or take a break
Like I said a lot of the ingredients in this supplement actually are probably useful but the snake oil part is dosage issues and the nebulous proprietary blend. Probably best to research and just buy them individually or find foods that are naturally high in them (zinc, choline, etc).
Don’t buy the cheapest crap on Amazon. Spend a few extra bucks for 6 months and retest. Thorne, Jarrow are well respected. For whole sale amounts nootropics depot, (liftmode also seems dependable), buy a $20 diamond scale that measures to .001g. For researching supplements: examine.com , consumerlabs amongst a few others.
Peter Attia and/or Robert Luftkin have some introductory material if I recall correctly if you want a podcast.
Good luck, NAFLD isn’t a life ending diagnosis but it should be treated more seriously as it can and does progress and you really do need your liver. Many doctors see it too often and are too burned out of seeing lifestyle diseases that are hard to motivate patients to change.
@AySz88 @qazxto @scilynt Also the Mayo Clinic has a database of
snake oil“natural” and “alternative treatment” stuff that has been scientifically tested along with the results. You can look up all sorts of things there to see if any effect (pos or neg or none) was found.@AySz88 @qazxto @scilynt I was excited to see something in addition to consumerlabs until I saw the price (which they do a good job of making it hard to find. I guess that they hope you forget to cancel after your free 7 days). OMG. I wonder if anyone has compared what they look at with what is in the Mayo Clinic database (free and definitely research based as all they do is post research results from research others did and was published in peer reviewed journals - that matters for credibility - in simple language in a way that makes it easy to find) or, for that matter, in the much cheaper consumerlabs which claims to be research based.
This is examine’s price:
Free 7 days then (if you fail to cancel)
$29/mo
$198/year
$799 life time access (presuming the lifetime of the website is at least the same as your life span).
@scilynt Look up the information on how the liver deals with fructose, and then consider the fact that table sugar is 50% fructose, and the sweetener in soft drinks is HFCS that can be anywhere from 55% to 70% (seldom higher) fructose. Some people have an easier time adapting to a no-sweet lifestyle once they really understand what that stuff does and why you don’t need it. (Starches devolve into glucose when digested, and while massive amounts of that are also problematic, glucose uptake, conversion and deposition is less troublesome in the absence of the effects of lots of fructose.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5893377/
@scilynt @werehatrack - your body turns food into, amongst other things, glucose as that is what “feeds” your body and what exclusively feeds your brain. As a result even if you consume nothing with any “sugar” in it (so excludes most, for example fruits) you will still have glucose being made in your body.
@Kidsandliz Entirely correct! There is no such thing as an essential carb for someone with a fully functional metabolism - and if a person’s system is so damaged (or otherwise compromised) that it can’t generate glycogen, then they need to be under a very carefully monitored care regimen by the appropriate specialists, not trying to wing it using Internet guru advice (including mine!)
@scilynt this might be a good time to remind readers that, although an excellent source for information, you should also consider medical professionals’ advice when choosing your medications. also, don’t take meh if you’re allergic to meh. could cause death, blindness or erectile dysfunction.
@room902 @scilynt And (to continue Room902’s post), empty your wallet and hoarding disease if you accidentally click the buy button too often instead of the meh button.
Not only does that second review they quoted in the write-up say nothing specific about this product, making it sound totally like AI generated B.S., but also supposedly
“54 people found this helpful”???
@Kyeh And the username is “Amazon Customer”
@werehatrack
Sooo believable.
Their profile seems to have that same review copy/pasted across a bunch of items.
To the meh writer’s benefit, they did seem to be highlighting the same thing with the “what ChatGPT has done to us” bit (though this seems even lazier than that). Yet somehow there’s almost 100 orders actually buying this crap instead of just random people finding it in IRKs a year from now…
@Kyeh @werehatrack “Amazon Customer” can be a proper legal name. “Customer” is a last name for some people and “Amazon” doesn’t sound unbelievable as a first name either.
@Kyeh @OnionSoup @werehatrack A very popular name, it seems.
@blaineg @Kyeh @OnionSoup I wonder if they have an annual family reunion. And if they all go to Panera for lunch, how do they know who’s being called when their order is ready?
@Kyeh @werehatrack Talking about fake reviews, how ironic…
And I don’t want bad ju ju! 
After receiving an order from Amazon yesterday I was going to comment about this.
I was thrilled to see Included with my item was a $30 gift card which is only $5 less than the sale price of item I bought. Until I read it… The gift card clearly states that I MUST leave them a 5 star review AND that I’m NOT to mention anything about receiving the gift card! So I’m being bribed and asked to lie if I want to pay only $5 for my item.
HOW on earth is THAT legal? And then of course there is the morality of it, especially since I don’t think they deserve a 5 star review!
Should I leave the 5 stars and then go on to list ALL of the cons and say instructions would have been great or maybe just keep quiet and include the YouTube link of the detailed review where I found some of the answers to MY questions? I could cash out the gift card and then return the item, but that’s where morality, karma and good ju ju come into play.
I know one thing for sure, I’ll be looking at those 5 star Amazon reviews VERY DIFFERENTLY!
@Kyeh @Lynnerizer @werehatrack I got one of those $30 gift card offers that looks just like your card (maybe the same vendor?) on a security camera I bought to try to catch whomever is stealing items from my apartment. I will be posting my review with a photo of the gift card and an honest review. For the money it was worth about 2 stars (had it cost more it would have been one star). All I caught was the backside of someone’s shirt leaving my apartment and that was blurry (the live video isn’t but the 8 second delay is a pain and then if someone remains in there moving around it takes another 30 seconds or so for another screenshot. I then went to live view and by the time it connected all I heard was two voices and my door shut. The not included SIM card to record has a proprietary recording system that I am having trouble viewing. I missed the return window because I was out of state when it arrived and by the time I opened it to set it up and discovered all of this I missed it (and blame to the goat I missed clicking meh 3 times while I was out of town last month…). Post your review with a photo of the gift card. And report it to Amazon. They aren’t allowed to do that. I plan to take care of that today.
@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @Lynnerizer @werehatrack so wait, we need more information about this mysterious thief or thieves. how are they entering the apartment?
@catthegreat @Kyeh @Lynnerizer @werehatrack master key I presume. We have a new assistant maintenance person. That would be my suspect #1. Hall video should catch him but management is unwilling to look. Someone said she is calling the police since mgt is ignoring our complaints.
@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @werehatrack
Who is able to get into your apartment without doing damage and what are they taking? It’s such a violation and feels terrible. As a child my family home was robbed and then I had a creep who had an obsession with me coming into my house and going through my dresser drawers and listening to my answering machine. It’s one of the worst feelings, especially before you know who it is, I think that’s even worse. I’m sorry you’re going through this and I hope you get answers soon! 
Mine was a portable microscope and right now I forget who the seller was. I haven’t written a review yet or done anything else with it. But you and your thieves, THAT is AWFUL!
@catthegreat @Kidsandliz @Kyeh @Lynnerizer @werehatrack my friend found out the thief at his office was the security manager (the person that installed the cameras and watches the footage). At least the manager was good enough at his job to not delete the footage (where they steal a $4500 PC).
They had been put on early retirement (it was the boss’s PC) and after three weeks of enjoying said retirement, was rehired as a deputy manager by the company three floors below.
@Kyeh @Lynnerizer @werehatrack No answers yet. Likely it was a master key as there was no damage and it is a bolt. I am not the only one missing things, Fortunately the stuff I am missing is just that. Stuff. And not things I really value. I have taken the precaution to move the family stuff I value to the storage unit temporarily although I shouldn’t have to do that. I was pissed though about my milk chocolate Trader Joe’s pound plus bars as I can only get them when I am in Houston for cancer center visits and I love that chocolate. I had only eaten one so far. Better them though than, say, my great grandmother’s earrings. Makes me tempted, when I am back there again, to buy more and then put a small amount of poison in them (not enough to kill someone, rather just enough to make the thief really sick).
As a kid we were robbed too. I had three dollars taken (saved from a 25 cents a week allowance) and my sister got lucky as hers was more hidden and didn’t lose her money. Mom lost all her jewelry and some other things I no longer remember what (I was in elementary school). That was not nice to get home that night from a month’s vacation (car camping - we had a lot of fun on those vacations) to find the house had been broken into and stuff gone.
@catthegreat @Kidsandliz @Kyeh @pakopako @werehatrack
When they found out it was him did he eventually get RE-FIRED? 
REHIRED…?
@catthegreat @Kidsandliz @Kyeh @Lynnerizer @werehatrack
Nope. Became another company’s problem in the same field. The world is strange.
@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @werehatrack
Found out they were responsible for many burglaries in surrounding towns. Even though I felt guilty as heck for just knowing him I did feel so much better knowing WHO it was. I don’t remember what happened to them but I never saw him again. Crime sucks! 
Yeah that stinks when you’re that little. When our house got robbed I was in high school and as I was coming in the front door they heard me and ran out my bedroom door into the side yard dropping my stereo. My bedroom at the time had it’s own outside entrance/exit. My dad was heartbroken to lose his college ring and some other jewelry. Thank goodness they didn’t find my mom’s jewels! They also took several silver plated trophies, dad was an AMAZING golfer and athlete with lots of beautiful trophies. My mom had some nice golf trophies too. That’s actually how we eventually caught the jerks! About a week later I happened to notice a fingerprint starting to appear on one of the silver bowls they touched but didn’t take, and I told the detective in charge. That’s how they/he was identified. Turned out to be a kid and his cronies that went to school with me before he dropped out in the 8th grade. I remember he’d come to our HS and sell weed before school. Guess burglary was what helped support his habits.
So $6/bottle for a zinc supplement. Meh
@highonpez Hardly a zinc supplement… it contains 50mg zinc and literally 20 other ingredients
@troy Fun fact: I have no idea how much zinc is a good amount. I just eat spinach.
@highonpez I can tell you you definitely can take too much. My dad was eating those over-the-counter “cold stopper” pills (Airborne??) and ended up with a host of side-effects.
@highonpez Given that the label shows the zinc content as 273% of the daily value, taking this every day for six months seems likely to be way too much.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2407097/
@highonpez @werehatrack
Thanks for the link werehatrack! 
We liked Airborne a few years ago but only took it occasionally. I WAS going to ask what kind of side effects but the link explained it. As I remember it you weren’t supposed to take that Airborne long term.
Ohh I trust left over stock that no one else wanted to buy to clean my liver. How bout you?
@audiocontr I totally trust it to clean your liver.
If the liver didn’t cleanse itself as part of the “being alive” process 24 hours a day, we’d all be dead within a week. “Cleanse” is always a tip-off to the snek.
Maybe you’d make it two weeks, but you’d be awful yeller…
I’m old enough to have worked for Carter Wallace
Go to Amazon and sort by most recent reviews. About 1/3 are talking about this making them quite sick
seems like at best it’s snake oil and pretty often, it will throw your entire system into disarray
@shirlema This is my shocked face.
@blaineg @shirlema Gosh, what an unexpected outcome! How could something so chock full of natural ingredients possibly cause distress? [goes back to munching on foxglove-dusted amanita slices sauteed with castor beans in red wine][do not try this at home, or anywhere else, for that matter.]
the entire supplement industry is dubious.
and a large percentage of it it total horseshit.
completely unregulated with no verification of claims.
what could possibly go wrong?
I just hear Doctor Mike in my head saying “The liver cleanses itself”!
Yay! Support for both bile AND vitriol…
@MrNews I enjoyed your humorous comment.
Liver detox is an absolute scam. If your liver actually needs detoxxing, you will be in the hospital because you need a transplant, not a random supplement that, statistically, contains more lead than actually-useful ingredients and, based on the reviews for this product, typically makes the people who take it quite ill because supplements are an entirely unregulated industry allowed to sell you literally anything and tell you to put it in your body.
No. Just no.
I think it would be prudent for meh to not sell this kind of unregulated, dubious stuff (dope gnomes are a better choice and I didn’t like those), some of which can make you sick or cause other problems - problems like s getting sicker, sick from the supplement itself, etc.and which can incidentally include putting off getting medical care for the problem and thus having a potentially worse outcome. Or even worse, substitute stuff like this for legit medical care that is science based. Plenty of research shows, for example, in cancer, choosing “alternative and/or natural” so called “treatments” results in worse outcomes for the patient and often leads them to a preventable (eg didn’t take what would likely cure them), shorter survival even if the cancer is not curable, and a premature death.
/showme a quack
@mediocrebot use of AI theft-bots makes the peddling of harmful fake supplements make a lot more sense
Why do people generally look at “supplements” and other crap and say: “It will either help or it won’t?”
There is a third option.
@blaineg A GP friend (now retired) used to rant about her patients who came in with mysterious complaints that turned out to have been caused by “herbal supplements” and “natural detox aids” and “cleanses”. Some of them had already involved ER visits by the time she was consulted.
Today actually starts National Liver Awareness Month - no lie.
@cbilyak And just yesterday, I was bummed that I missed that today was National Hair Day
Little did I know, another sneaky holiday / awareness month was perfectly aligned with my scheduling
@cbilyak Sometimes I drink water just to confuse my liver.
Hmmm, I’ve heard this “liver” thing mentioned a couple times, but I don’t really know anything about it. I have one in my body, I take it. Is it important? Should I care about my liver? How does my liver affect me?
Maybe I should get some more information. This seems like the right month to start learning about the liver.
On the other hand, naw. “Liver” is probably just some hype, pushed by Big Organ. Trying to get me all worried about the latest “organ”.
@wardad
“What a healthy normal boy, with such plentiful organs!”
So if you get captured by pirates, and they look at you and say…“Arghh, I’m going to eat your liver” you can assure them that it’s nice and clean. Sounds like a great idea.
I get that this is the “cheap crap on sale” site, but I can’t help but feel rubbed the wrong way seeing literal scam products being sold here. These things are pointless at best, and at worst can do serious harm to people who are having their good will taken advantage of. This is quite ethically dubious to sell and perpetuate.
@Nova_1231 Honest question – if Amazon and every other site is selling products like this, and they’re popular enough to generate over 38,000 reviews that are largely favorable… why is it so wrong to sell them here?
@troy Sorry, I’m trying to believe you that this is an honest question, but this is a very poorly thought out question if so. In what possible way does Amazon selling something give it moral clearance to be sold elsewhere? You’ve sprinted straight into a logical fallacy here. What you’ve said makes no sense at all. And for what it’s worth, I also don’t think these should be sold elsewhere, and for the exact same reasons I don’t think they should be sold here. I am not exaggerating when I say these are literally a scam, and a scam that has no benefit but horrific potential to do grievous harm to people by taking advantage of their good will and want to be healthier. I think it is morally indefensible to support this, and I think that’s true no matter what website it is sold on.
@Nova_1231 @troy I think it is an ethical issue. As far as I know meh generally tries to behave ethically. Selling things that are unregulated (and thus you have no idea if what they claim is in there is actually in there at the level they claim - research documents that often that is NOT the case), that have far more then the required daily allowance where excess can harm you, etc. is not, in my opinion ethical. Regardless of whom else sells these this stuff.
Yes there some organizations that do test this stuff and put a stamp on them if they “pass” so please, at least, limit meh selling just that stuff. I think there is a difference between selling total junk items that don’t have the potential to harm you and stuff, like this, that does.
@Kidsandliz @Nova_1231 @troy A further consideration is that as far as I can tell, Amazon is not the seller of record for the egregious products of this type that I saw in an admittedly cursory check. But in what appeared to be the majority of cases, they are clearly the order fulfiller at the very least. Does that absolve them of any culpability? In my limited opinion, no. (And for the ones sold via Whole Paycheck, absolutely not.) But until the FDA goes back to its 1900s roots, such frauds will remain widely available and promoted because there are people who will buy them, and Money Rules Everything. Sadly, for some of the crap that’s available, that’s going to require that Congress reverse part of their 1994 action that allowed the sale of such things to resume under the guise of “alternative medicine”. (The move began in the '70s, and gained considerable momentum in the Reagan/BushSr era, finally passing under Clinton as part of legislation whose selling point was reduced drug costs. And in the intervening years, the pharma industry has become ever more clever at being rapacious just outside the scope of that 1994 act.)
Seems like many people think the liver is like an oil filter or something made by Dyson. It’s a little more complicated than that.
@fredex Subatomic particle physics is simpler.