Who's the real "new Scout"?: Shoddy Goods 051
0I’m Jason Toon and I’m not a car guy. But for anyone interested in the history of consumer culture - and since you’re reading Shoddy Goods, the newsletter from Meh, I’ll assume that includes you - you can’t get around cars as the symbolic icons of peak consumerism. Just what each individual car symbolizes, though, is up for debate.
It was 1960. American cars were at their biggest, in terms of both sales and physical size. Detroit built its empire on long, low, luxurious sedans that rolled smoothly along the nation’s velvety new suburban roads. Swooping tailfins. Chrome by the yard. Ever-more-improbably curved windshields. And the future just promised more of the same.
But into the midst of this streamlined intergalactic carnival rode a workhorse. Or at least a car whose design imperative was “replace the horse”. You could tell by its name that the Scout was everything the Chrysler Imperial or Buick Invicta wasn’t: stubby, tough, barebones, cheap, simple. Its maker, International Harvester, wasn’t even a car company, and heresy of heresies, wasn’t even based in Detroit.
During its 20-year run, the Scout would never vault International Harvester into the top rank of American automaking. But it would be remembered affectionately enough that now there are two electric vehicle startups competing to be its successor, in very different ways.
When you really want to feel the wind in your teeth
Scout’s honor
Their stated aim may have been to “replace the horse”, but International Harvester’s strategic goal was to replace the Jeep. The Scout 80 was launched in 1961 as an equally rugged but more stylish and versatile alternative.
The big innovation of the original model was its modular accessories. Within minutes, with no particular expertise, the owner could change it from a compact pickup with a five-foot cargo bed, to a family roadster with back bench seats, to an adventure-ready action vehicle, to a kind of delivery truck/station wagon that looks remarkably like an SUV from a few decades into the future.
Four, four, four cars in one!
Even more appealing was the price: $1,598 base for the 2-wheel drive model (about $17k today) and $1,948 for the 4-wheel drive (about $21k today). The average car in 1961 cost something like $2,700 (about $29k today). Within a month of launching the Scout, International Harvester had to double production to meet demand.
The company had initially expected most purchasers to be businesses, but individuals bought most of the 25,000 units sold that first year. So they pivoted their strategy in subsequent model years. The Scout lost its fold-down windshield and removable doors, but gained more upholstered interiors, bucket seats, camper and vinyl sport-top options, a V8 engine, automatic transmission, and a wide variety of styling choices, including a “Red Carpet” edition to celebrate the 100,000th Scout sold in 1964.
By the '70s, rather than the hybrid work/family vehicle they’d initially envisioned, the Scout was marketed as the ultimate recreational vehicle, equally surefooted chilling on the beach or rumbling through dusty arroyos. Some great TV commercials urged the Scout-curious to “Scout the America others pass by” and gloated about its ability to drive around all the other schmucks stuck in the snow.
The official truck of finding yourself, man
A proliferation of variants ranged from the Champagne Series, with such luxuries as door panels and carpet, to the barebones Rancher Special, which came without a passenger seat, bumper, or top on the base model.
Of course, by then, it wasn’t alone. With lookalike proto-SUVs like the Ford Bronco and Chevy Blazer, the Big Three took what drivers liked about the Scout, updated the engineering, and backed them with their sales muscle. Unrelated problems with International Harvester’s core agricultural business left the company unable to compete at that level. The last Scout rolled off the line in 1980.
Scout of mothballs
After International Harvester went belly-up in 1986, the Scout lived on only in memories and through enthusiast groups who revered its simplicity and ruggedness in contrast to the increasingly computerized and disposable products of the automotive industry.
That remaining goodwill was enough for Volkswagen to decide to revive the Scout brand in 2022. Their subsidiary Scout Motors started construction on a $2 billion plant in South Carolina capable of building 200,000 vehicles a year. Last year, they unveiled the first new vehicles to bear the Scout badge in over 40 years, the Traveler SUV and the Terra Truck, aiming for the first sales at the end of 2027.
We’ve got to stop meeting like this
“The original off-road icon,” their website says, leaning hard into the legacy. “The one that united work with play. The one that made ‘sport utility’ a household term. The one to combine a farm tool with a family hauler, and from which all others have followed since. The spirit of the original, retooled and ready for a classic American comeback.”
But compact, basic, and cheap they are not. Scout Motors is aiming for the premium adventure market, with starting prices in the $50,000-$60,000 range. The Terra and Traveler are the same size as comparable models by other makers. The interiors have the touchscreens and comfort features you’d expect from any new car. The website mentions customizing with accessories, but they look like pretty routine options. When it comes to legacy, Scout Motors is all-in on the adventure but leaves the rest behind.
No, for a car that embraces the original Scout’s modularity, affordability, simplicity, and stubby silhouette, you’ll have to look to another startup that’s also backed by some big money.
Slate to the party
“What this country needs is a good $20,000 electric truck.” That seems to be the guiding principle behind Slate. Investors like Jeff Bezos and the money people behind Canva and Kayak have bet some $700 million so far on the proposition.
To get that sticker price down, Slate follows a philosophy of “radical simplicity”, summed up when they say “We don’t like paying for stuff we don’t need.” That means no onboard screens and no sound system, but mounts for your own devices. That means windows you have to roll down by hand. They drew the line at heating and A/C, though: both are standard.
There is no black or white, only shades of Slate
Also in keeping with the original Scout, they present the Slate Truck (that’s its name) less as a model than as a “radical truck platform” for the user to customize. That means not only picking out options before you buy (their Slatemaker is fun to play with in a Sims-like way), but adding accessories to “Attach Points” later yourself. And yes, taking the roof on and off, to go from truck to SUV and back.
Special tip o’ the hat to Slate’s launch campaign, in which the vehicles are used by fake businesses such as a human taxidermy company. That’s something we could’ve thought up back in the old Woot days. Bravo.
Anyway, some of those economizing sacrifices come in the form of performance. Its rear-wheel-drive motor has one-tenth the towing capacity of the Scout Terra. Its battery range is lower, too: from 140-250 miles, half or less than Scout Motors’ vehicles. That’s partly why the Slate Truck can fully recharge in 4-8 hours from a standard 240v outlet, because the charge isn’t that big.
But for everyday driving and occasional light hauling, it’s hard to beat that cost of ownership. If, that is, everything Slate says now turns out to be true. They’re currently retrofitting a former print shop in Indiana to build the Truck, shooting for late 2026 delivery.
Scout Trek: The Next Gentrification
From Levi’s, Doc Martens, and Pendleton shirts to army surplus, warehouse lofts, and stock tank pools, one generation’s affordable utilitarian gear is the next generation’s lifestyle brand. The new Scout seems to be another case of that. Camping itself used to be a cheaper alternative to more upscale, organized forms of recreation, hard as it is to believe if you’ve recently had to outfit a family for a weekend in the woods. Might as well get there in a premium car, too, if you can afford it.
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But the need for cheap stuff that just works never goes away. The early response to Slate has shown that there’s a market for cars that eliminate the complexities and fripperies and pass the savings on to you.
The divide is already visible in the Scout enthusiast community. “I see a lot more similarities between the Slate range of vehicles and the OG Scout 80 than anything offered by (Scout Motors),” one Redditor posted recently.
“IMO they’ve gone below what I’d consider the bare minimum required in a car,” responded another. “Power windows and infotainment aren’t optional these days.”
We’ll have to wait another year at least to see if Scout Motors and Slate can keep their promises, and how the public reacts. Volkswagen’s got the official Scout brand. But I have a feeling that if there’s still a car industry 60 years from now, startups will be competing to see who can be the new Slate.
I’m often thinking about what the perfect second-car is. Assuming you’ve got one car you can take on roadtrips and load up with people and/or gear, it doesn’t really make sense to have a second card that serves exactly the same purpose, right? So, ignoring what’s actually available, let’s hear what your perfect second car would be in this week’s Shoddy Goods chat.
—Dave (and the rest of Meh)
These past Shoddy Goods stories are cheap, compact, and require very little gasoline:
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The second part is a waste. Now if you have a large family and maybe a young kid who needs to drive once in awhile maybe a second car is good. But anything more than one car a driver is conspicuous consumption. Unless you need something specifically for work
@Cerridwyn How about two parents who need to get to different jobs?
@pboser that is not a spare car. That is one car per driver. What’s a waste is the people that have one driver and two or three cars. That’s conspicuous consumption.
@Cerridwyn @pboser but the way the question was phrased is a second car per family. Probably within the tyical second family car dynamic. Where it can easily be electric because that can be the primary around town car/get to work car. But for long distance people hauling you might want an SUV.
That’s the typical set up.
@Cerridwyn @pboser @unksol
Well, it wasn’t specifically; it said “load up with people” but they could be friends.
@Cerridwyn @Kyeh @pboser true. But it’s still your bulk people carrier over extended distance.
Reegaurdless electric cars don’t work for everyone. then they can flip on their head where an F150 lighting makes sense cause overnight power I sentives and grid feedback. Depending on the utility company. And Congress fucking with people.
It’s always hard.
Lotus 7
@anuvin Back in the 70s and 80s I wanted to build a Lotus 7 kit car. Never got around to it, but that would have been so much fun to build and drive! Of course, I’d need the license plate KAR 120C.
@anuvin @ItalianScallion In high school, I built and drove the Bradley GT built on a VW Bug chassis. Of course, I had the gull-wing tinted plexiglass doors!
It was as fun to drive as it was shoddy.

And it was a shit-ton of fun.
I did not have the cool Magnum PI / Smokey and the Bandit mustache to go with the car in high school though.
A better real-world picture.

Small pickup truck, like the 1970s Toyotas.
Although I drive so little that it would be a complete indulgence.
Or … a customized delivery van to take on trips like the one my neighbors have; only they’re very good with building and engineering things and did all the customizing by themselves. I couldn’t do that so would have to buy or commission one.
@Kyeh
@pakopako WOW!!! Fantastic.
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I felt sorry for that truck, but damn! I’m very impressed.
I love those guys; they all look so young in that video.
@Kyeh yeah, it’s been forever ago
(They also tried killing it again. Broken up into two parts for drama.)
What finally killed it? Time and budgetary restrictions.
My current primary car would be a good second car (Ford Flex). My current restoration project would be my first car (1971 Challenger). But a perfect second car… I would love the 1969 Plymouth Custom Suburban my parents bought new, though a little better equipped (like disk brakes). Daily driver, road tripping, large cargo capacity, good towing capacity, comparatively easy to maintain compared to most cars made after the 1990s…
(Dodge version is the best pic I have on hand)
@duodec Dad had the classic 80s wood grain station wagon and drove it over the rockies in the 90s pulling the pop up camper. It did over heat on the way up so we had to stop and have a snowball fight…
I don’t think it was a Ford. I was thinking it had to be a GM… But the lines don’t look right when I try and search for one. My memory may be defective. Also this must have been before I could help fix things beyond hand the wrench. I don’t remember ever working on it. She was pretty though.
Yes suvs and vans and blah. The station wagon was good
@duodec think I found it. 1985 Chevy Caprice wagon with woodgrain trim. Google is not cooperating on images. But station wagons were good cars in theory. Gas mileage was horrible and driving it we called driving the boat. Cause big heavy and slow to turn but… It did what was designed to do and looked good doing it
@unksol
I always preferred Mopars first, Fords second (some of the Country Squire wagons had really nice lines). GM had some cool ones too like the Olds Vista Cruiser (especially a Hurst edition!)
But someday I really hope I can find a really nice '69 Plymouth (first!) Dodge or Chrysler wagon for road trips and just because.
An airplane.
A Winnebago with tank treads and ludicrous speed.
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@pakopako You should have upgraded to the version that goes plaid.
@capnjb No, I want to still have my brains separate from my feet thank you.
Second car is a convertible. Not at all practical but it’s fun. Project car is also a convertible and ludicrously overpowered, if I ever complete it.
Now the Slate is a strong contender to become the primary runabout for mundane just going places and toting things, and maybe keeping my car or just my wife’s to have something more comfy for road trips, kid hauling, etc. I’m really interested by the philosophy of getting exactly what you want and no more, and didn’t know the back story of the Scout pioneering that model back in the day.
Just today I noticed a brand new auto shop in town. I would also accept the model they have on display as a second car.

If you have kids, I’d say a small, fuel-efficient hatch (and make it hot if you can, that is if you can get around dealers gouging you over MSRP for the likes of a Civic Type-R). If you don’t have kids, or you never need to be in two places at once with them, then obviously a Miata. Any gen will do, really.
Mine is an '05 Scion xB with a stickshift. Not fast, not flashy, very quirky, but the fact that it’s a stick means that I can drive enthusiastically and nobody else notices. I don’t have to be the baddest or the most powerful to have fun.
@werehatrack Same for us! And you can haul (almost) anything in that little car.
Everyone who knows anything likes a good stick.
I miss my 99 Saturn 1.9L stick. I think that was 98HP
@unksol When my son started driving (in high school) my sister-in-law sold us her 99 Saturn SC1 for him to drive (the one with the weird 3 doors, also a stick, $500). Worked pretty well for him for several years, but while he was away at college the shifter broke. I had to haul it home on a trailer - turned out to be a broken plastic bushing in the shift linkage (pretty easy repair). It eventually started leaking water (I think around the windshield), soaking the carpet and making it moldy. We wound up donating it to a local charity (still drive-able).
@macromeh I never had the leaking issue. But that exact same bushing broke in my shifter… I was an hour plus late to work… Had to be 2011 ish maybe.
I yanked the shifter cover and… Did something to reconnect them. A screwdriver maybe. It was super janky but I could shift. That issue was so common someone was just selling replacement bushings on eBay.
The other issues they had was the transmission used a single roll pin with a gap to retain the differential main pin. If you got stuck and rocked it out you could break the retaining pin then the main diff rod would carve a hole in your transmission… Dad had a dead Saturn so I took his transmission. But all they had to do was spend a few cents on a double roll pin…
Make my current Ram 1500 my second car, and make something like a Slate my day to day car. I don’t need to tow, or carry 5 people to go to work, I do often need that after work or on the weekend. I’ve thought about picking up a cheap used hatchback, but it just doesn’t make financial sense. And anything new is prohibitively expensive.
@woodman668 I was going to mention the Slate. In theory it looks good. But they need to actually produce them before it can be evaluated. A small minimal pickup for once would be nice.
I’m a used car guy I think I’ve paid $500 then $1650 but dad split it. Then $400. Yea parts on top and my time… so IDK that I would buy a new car. But still it would be nice if it works
For the slate.
https://www.slate.auto/en
There are YouTube looks out there of the prototypes. Jeff Bezos is an investor so. You know. He’s not great. But. The concept of a bare bones small electric truck for 20K vs the other direction of huge expensive “cars” no one can afford. Is not bad
@unksol accord8ng to my wife my days of wrenching on cars are over. She would rather i focus on things I enjoy more. I’ve been woodworking for a while and every time I’m under the truck xussing for hours is hours off my life, and peojects not getting done. Bought my first new car at 45, 8 years ago and replaced my last starter and did my last brake job about 3 years ago. It’s not as much fun as it was 30 years ago.
That being said, thw downside of aomething like a Slate is the whole thing might as well be a black box to me.
@woodman668 this is good advice. Dad had a driveway full of cars that maybe could be fixed but really just needed to be scrapped. I’ve got a few more years in me. The metro must drive again! But yea there will be some cursing. And the contorsionions to get to things leave you sore/beat you up… It still feels good when you fix something though. Plus the endorphins from a workout.
I’m sure even doing an oil change at some point…
If I were going to buy a new car… IDK. The newest car I’ve owned was the 1999 Saturn so just into OBD2.
Yea gas vs electric… I’m optimistic something like the slate will make parts available. We need to get some right to repair laws.
But it’s also just a truck shell, some motors, and a battery pack. And not a bunch of garbage newer gas cars have so… It’s interesting at least. And supposed to be cheap
@unksol @woodman668 I bought the kids a 4 door Geo Metro for about $1200 when they were first driving. Great gas mileage and no danger of drag racing… Kinda wish I’d kept it but have too many cars and too many projects.
Rich uploaded this a few days ago:
A friend of mine had an IH Scout back in the mid-70’s. At some point it needed some repairs/maintenance and he discovered that he needed not only the year, but also the month of production to get the correct parts for it - apparently components were redesigned/changed at various times during a model year. Getting the right part often took multiple iterations. Big PITA
My Da bought a ? '67 International Travel-All with 3-row seating in the early to mid-70’s, and while it would legitimately seat 9, the least comfortable seat was the front middle because it was considered a “jump” seat, with a really a stiff seat “cushion” that was mounted on top of the center console, the back of which was a nearly vertical “cushion” similar to the seat “cushion”.
It served us well for many camping and other vacation trips until about '75 when he bought a Checker A11 sedan [which was made by the Checker Motor Co.] with mostly Chevy chassis truck components and body from the same coach company that made bus bodies [the name of which has escaped me] and fitted out for its originally intended purpose of a taxi-cab.
His was fire-engine Red
It required removal of the roof-mounted cab sign/light and repair of the resultant defect, as well as some minor equipment removal [of the meter etc.], but it was a total beast, and 4 tweens to later teens could sit comfortably side-by-side in the back seat. We often augmented that seating by putting a full-size Coleman Camping Cooler in the middle of the floor there and having a kid or smaller adult sit on it facing out sideways.
In fact, it was the vehicle I learned how to drive in [in addition to the much smaller and easier to maneuver public school Drivers’ Ed sedan].
The bumpers were made of multi- flanged/layered 1/4" steel and mounted to the frame on shock absorbers. Thus when my Ma was rear-ended while driving it after having stopped at a fairly treacherous railroad crossing, the fairly large American sedan that hit her was totaled, and she only had a mild case of whiplash. The Checker was un-damaged.
He bought another one [in Frost White] to replace it in 1982 when the roof of the first one rusted through where the sign had been removed.
IDK how long he owned that one because I left home after graduating college in 1981.
Next thing I knew they had a Chevy Suburban [for my 4’ 11" Ma] and a Ford Fiesta [for my 6’ 2" Da].
@PhysAssist The father of my high school buddy drove an International pickup. He called it “the Corn Binder” (a reference to the farm machinery made by IH)
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Charlie was quite a character - he claimed to be a (distant) relative to the notorious Younger Brothers gang. He liked to tell us stories from his youth when he ran moonshine back in his native West (Goddamn!) Virginia. He and his son built a race car and ran it at the local drag strip. (And did pretty well.) Good times…
I loved my Bi-drive Recreational All Terrain by Subaru, cut out the back seats and you had a good hauler or camping car with good gas milage.