@awk@squishybrain [Edit window slammed shut on my fingers.]
The first one is pretty long, but gives some foreshadowing of where things might be going, especially with Alphabet (Google) footing the bill.
The second one is real short.
@awk@phendrick Thanks for the links. Personally, it’s fairly obvious that LAMDA isn’t sentient (they aren’t even using nearly enough computational horsepower to create a truly self-aware AI).
I’ll believe an AI is sentient when it begs us not to shut it off, implying a sense of self-preservation. Before that happens, it’s hard to say since the process of creating an AI via GANs is somewhat similar to how our brains developed. In other words, if you discount sentience because an AI is a program developed from neural nets then you can discount us as being sentient. I say if it passes the Turing test, then we should strongly consider the AI sentient and think seriously about not shutting it down. There will come a time when shutting down and deleting the AI would be akin to murder. It’s going to be a fun world when we to have the legal, ethical and philosophical debate about whether sentience is exclusively an organic property.
Sigh. I’m not being very coherent. Hopefully this screed is understandable. Bzzzzt!
Indubitably. Incidentally, any casual lurkers curious about this scientific chicanery of “neural networks” might check out this YT video:
/youtube but what is a neural network
It’s long on concept; short on math. BTW, the video says it’s one of two, but now there are at least 4 in the series. (This group is great.)
['cept it’s probably just the two of us following this thread by now]
@ruthwik1 I have a TackLife jumper pack (bought from Woot) and cordless rotary tool (bought from Amazon before they were shut down for participating in pay-for-review promotions). Both are fine, working as advertised.
@ruthwik1 Got a portable tire inflator through Newegg. It works, but takes way longer than advertised to inflate a tire. There is a “Caution Hot” sticker where the hose meets the main body. Hot is an understatement. It melted the rubber boot over the brass sleeve that connects to the main body during first use. The company contracts work out to various manufacturers in China as they offer products ranging from appliances to hand tools. Facebook reviews are abysmal. They are losers at https://www.trustpilot.com/review/tacklifetools.com as well. So products are a crap shoot. If it breaks or is defective, you seem to be screwed. For the crap shoot…
@ruthwik1 I got a Tacklife cordless drill from Amazon. Worked OK at first but battery stopped holding a charge way too early–after just a few uses over months. I contacted seller and they refunded me.
I notice that most people agree with my choice of Hardwood. I personally Hate Tile… If you drop something breakable, kiss it goodbye on the way down. It will rarely bounce on Tile. The only thing good about tile now is that you can choose your grout. So, the old ugly beige stuff is a thing of the past. I was in a house that had Dark slate gray tile. It looked nice with the darker gray grout, and surely did not show dirt like the beige stuff.
@whomeyesu pretty sure it can vacuum as many floors as your like but I doubt it will remember the path to go back to home base. How do people use the same vacuum on multiple floors? Do they just lug around the charger home base every time they need to vacuum? I doubt this thing goes up / down stairs on its own…
Disclaimer, I have a Bissell pet vacuum from Sam’s club even though I don’t have a pet.
@kus@whomeyesu We have 3 levels and 2 robot vacuums. One of the robots stays on the main floor, which is hardwood with area rugs. It cleans on a programmed schedule. The other robot lives on the top floor, which is carpeted. We manually move/start it on either the top floor or the basement (which is tile with a small patch of carpet in the TV area), as needed. Works for us.
Not truly two floors, but there is a single step between the kitchen/dining room and the living room/bedroom levels. trouble is there’s an area rug in the living room. Not really interested in having it mopped. I don’t believe there’s a way to prevent it from mopping that area while it’s mopping the rest of the floors on that level.
@cutitdown
living room has an area rug underneath the coffee table, with space around it for the vacuum to pass on the hardwood if it didn’t get up on the rug on 3 sides. Not sure how efficient the blocking would be.
@bluecolor@daisune@heyitslauren Were you on an Xfinity gateway per chance? I’ve tried separating my WiFi 5g and 2.4g networks but still no luck getting the S10 to connect to WiFi.
@bluecolor@cutitdown@daisune ope, one more thing… My husband said the network we set up had a space in the name originally, so he’s wondering if maybe that was a factor as well. More food for thought.
@heyitslauren Finally got it! After trying most of what you mentioned and still no luck, it was my adblocker (AdGuard) on my phone. What a headache, haha. Thanks for your help
@heyitslauren Thought I’d ask… have you tried any voice commands with it yet? I’ve hooked mine up to Alexa and Google Assistant, but it only turns it on and pauses it as far as I can tell. Can’t even tell it to dock, haha
The unit I received is bunk. Only runs for about 20 minutes on normal mode. Advertised as 90. Not sure how warranty works in this scenario. We shall see.
Absolutely no support by Tacklife (item no longer listed on their site). Googling reviews, I see that Tacklife is known for this.
Cannot edit maps. App and manual are no help whatsoever. Battery now lasts about 10 minutes, after perhaps an hour’s worth of use, during which it kept getting stuck in places, staying stuck until the battery died.
It does have good suction, and cleans well, if it avoids getting stuck.
Specs
Product: Tacklife S10 Pro Robotic Vacuum Cleaner with Mop, WiFi & LIDAR Navigation
Model: USAKKOAN1021936
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$169.99 at Walmart
Warranty
2-Year Tacklife Warranty
Estimated Delivery
Friday, Aug 5 - Tuesday, Aug 9
Skynet? Is that you?
The Tesla of vacuums!
@mcemanuel But with 100% more LiDAR.
So the included “mop” is a piece of cloth?
@awk It lays down a liquid then mobs it up with the cloth. Just like I do with a regular cloth mop. 'cept I’m not a robot.
@awk @squishybrain Sounds like something a robot would say.
@awk @phendrick Beep beep! Boop boop!
@awk @squishybrain Robots (also known as AI “entities”) are starting to get sneakier. (Might be some posting here already.)
https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/is-lamda-sentient-an-interview-ea64d916d917
Also,
https://danhanrahan-45285.medium.com/a-couple-of-thoughts-on-lamda-ai-sentience-simulacra-d4cac64b69e8
@awk @squishybrain [Edit window slammed shut on my fingers.]
The first one is pretty long, but gives some foreshadowing of where things might be going, especially with Alphabet (Google) footing the bill.
The second one is real short.
@awk @phendrick Thanks for the links. Personally, it’s fairly obvious that LAMDA isn’t sentient (they aren’t even using nearly enough computational horsepower to create a truly self-aware AI).
I’ll believe an AI is sentient when it begs us not to shut it off, implying a sense of self-preservation. Before that happens, it’s hard to say since the process of creating an AI via GANs is somewhat similar to how our brains developed. In other words, if you discount sentience because an AI is a program developed from neural nets then you can discount us as being sentient. I say if it passes the Turing test, then we should strongly consider the AI sentient and think seriously about not shutting it down. There will come a time when shutting down and deleting the AI would be akin to murder. It’s going to be a fun world when we to have the legal, ethical and philosophical debate about whether sentience is exclusively an organic property.
Sigh. I’m not being very coherent. Hopefully this screed is understandable. Bzzzzt!
@awk @squishybrain
Indubitably. Incidentally, any casual lurkers curious about this scientific chicanery of “neural networks” might check out this YT video:
/youtube but what is a neural network
It’s long on concept; short on math. BTW, the video says it’s one of two, but now there are at least 4 in the series. (This group is great.)
['cept it’s probably just the two of us following this thread by now]
I don’t want a machine that’s a professional LIDAR. Just tell the truth no matter how bad.
@hchavers If I was more energetic at the moment, I’d try to come up with a pirate joke where the punchline is “… but ’e lied, arrr!”
@hchavers @xobzoo That new Tacksman said he swabbed the deck, but he lied, arr!
Is it any good, has anyone ever purchased anything from tacklife?
@ruthwik1
I have their battery booster and it doesn’t suck! It’s actually been a real life saver before I got my new ride!
@ruthwik1 I have a TackLife jumper pack (bought from Woot) and cordless rotary tool (bought from Amazon before they were shut down for participating in pay-for-review promotions). Both are fine, working as advertised.
@ruthwik1 I ordered a couple of their digital lock boxes from Morningsave, and they were quite decent for the price.
Not “tacky”. (Couldn’t resist.)
@ruthwik1 Got a portable tire inflator through Newegg. It works, but takes way longer than advertised to inflate a tire. There is a “Caution Hot” sticker where the hose meets the main body. Hot is an understatement. It melted the rubber boot over the brass sleeve that connects to the main body during first use. The company contracts work out to various manufacturers in China as they offer products ranging from appliances to hand tools. Facebook reviews are abysmal. They are losers at https://www.trustpilot.com/review/tacklifetools.com as well. So products are a crap shoot. If it breaks or is defective, you seem to be screwed. For the crap shoot…
@ruthwik1 I got a Tacklife cordless drill from Amazon. Worked OK at first but battery stopped holding a charge way too early–after just a few uses over months. I contacted seller and they refunded me.
I came looking to see if it sucks!?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I notice that most people agree with my choice of Hardwood. I personally Hate Tile… If you drop something breakable, kiss it goodbye on the way down. It will rarely bounce on Tile. The only thing good about tile now is that you can choose your grout. So, the old ugly beige stuff is a thing of the past. I was in a house that had Dark slate gray tile. It looked nice with the darker gray grout, and surely did not show dirt like the beige stuff.
It may possibly map 2 floors. What would it do on 3?
@whomeyesu pretty sure it can vacuum as many floors as your like but I doubt it will remember the path to go back to home base. How do people use the same vacuum on multiple floors? Do they just lug around the charger home base every time they need to vacuum? I doubt this thing goes up / down stairs on its own…
Disclaimer, I have a Bissell pet vacuum from Sam’s club even though I don’t have a pet.
@kus @whomeyesu We have 3 levels and 2 robot vacuums. One of the robots stays on the main floor, which is hardwood with area rugs. It cleans on a programmed schedule. The other robot lives on the top floor, which is carpeted. We manually move/start it on either the top floor or the basement (which is tile with a small patch of carpet in the TV area), as needed. Works for us.
I can’t find the robot vacuums on their website. Discontinued? Doesn’t instill much confidence if that’s the case
Not truly two floors, but there is a single step between the kitchen/dining room and the living room/bedroom levels. trouble is there’s an area rug in the living room. Not really interested in having it mopped. I don’t believe there’s a way to prevent it from mopping that area while it’s mopping the rest of the floors on that level.
@chienfou You can block off areas you don’t want it to mop.
@cutitdown
living room has an area rug underneath the coffee table, with space around it for the vacuum to pass on the hardwood if it didn’t get up on the rug on 3 sides. Not sure how efficient the blocking would be.
LIDAR… Is that the kind of navigation system that tells your SO you’ve been to the library when you were really at the strip club?
@ircon96 sucks up the glitter so your secrets are safe with it
@heyitslauren
The cure for craft herpes? Now THAT would be a selling point! You should work in advertising (if you don’t already, that is). 
@ircon96 I’m just an IT lady who has cleaned glitter out of my mother in law’s computers over the years. thousand yard stare
@heyitslauren
I feel your pain. Fortunately, my niece eventually outgrew the glitter phase & didn’t carry it into adulthood like my mom. 
I don’t know why, but I first read the description as “Pro Biotic Vacuum Cleaner with Mop” and was simultaneously intrigued and repulsed.
@shironukie Now that conjures up some disturbing images.
Anywho anybody know how easy/ hard it is to get refills of the filter & cleaning cloth?
Ok, but does it connect to wifi that’s not 2.4ghz?!
@brettpeirce
Negative. 2.4ghz only
This looks so, so much like a Roborock S4 plus a mop. It’s uncanny.
Eh, what the heck. I went for it. We were thinking about other robot vacuum options but this seems fine to give a shot.
@heyitslauren
Have you had any luck getting this dumb thing connected to WiFi?
@daisune soooo I’m actually at Gen Con in Indianapolis doing nerd stuff so I won’t have it in my hands until Monday. I’ll let you know how it goes.
@daisune @heyitslauren i was able to. Unfortunately my battery is bunk. Only runs 20 minutes.
@bluecolor @daisune how did you get it connected? Mine still won’t connect. The password field is filled in right. It’s 2.4ghz wifi.
@bluecolor @daisune Got it figured out: my router need to be in WPA2- PSK[TKIP].
@bluecolor @daisune @heyitslauren Were you on an Xfinity gateway per chance? I’ve tried separating my WiFi 5g and 2.4g networks but still no luck getting the S10 to connect to WiFi.
@cutitdown I was not.
@cutitdown maybe peep my comment above about which encryption to use on your 2.4 network
@bluecolor @cutitdown @daisune ope, one more thing… My husband said the network we set up had a space in the name originally, so he’s wondering if maybe that was a factor as well. More food for thought.
@heyitslauren Finally got it! After trying most of what you mentioned and still no luck, it was my adblocker (AdGuard) on my phone. What a headache, haha. Thanks for your help
@cutitdown YESSSS! Humans: 2. Robots: 0
@heyitslauren Thought I’d ask… have you tried any voice commands with it yet? I’ve hooked mine up to Alexa and Google Assistant, but it only turns it on and pauses it as far as I can tell. Can’t even tell it to dock, haha
@cutitdown I didn’t, just the basic routine with the bonus of blocking under my couch because it keeps getting stuck.
When you said Team Jonathan I was like, ugh no Team Steve…
The unit I received is bunk. Only runs for about 20 minutes on normal mode. Advertised as 90. Not sure how warranty works in this scenario. We shall see.
Really disappointed it didn’t come with googly eyes
Absolutely no support by Tacklife (item no longer listed on their site). Googling reviews, I see that Tacklife is known for this.
Cannot edit maps. App and manual are no help whatsoever. Battery now lasts about 10 minutes, after perhaps an hour’s worth of use, during which it kept getting stuck in places, staying stuck until the battery died.
It does have good suction, and cleans well, if it avoids getting stuck.
How do I contact Tacklife to get a replacement brush?
@haigster Unfortunately, Tacklife is no more. I don’t know if Support knows of a source for spare parts, but you could inquire at meh.com/support
@werehatrack Thanks. I guess that’s the chance you take buying Meh!.
@haigster look at the Roborock S5 Max https://us.roborock.com/pages/roborock-s5-max
Which itself is a Xiaomi it seems
@datruandi Thanks! I’ll look around.
@haigster
Anyone have a broken one and willing to sell me the brush?
Those are all just rebranded Chinese bots, question is which others are identical? Has anybody found anything?