Red Alert for Net Neutrality

@daveinwarsh It isn’t a stupid idea. Please do read up on it. Trust me in this.

@daveinwarsh just the government wanting to regulate something they have no control over, and to have an Internet more like China.

@daveinwarsh @hchavers It’s really not. Do you think that this many people on the internet would have been fighting for it for years and years if it was to make the internet more like China’s?

It’s regulation that seeks to prevent ISPs from engaging in anti-consumer, anti-competitive behavior, that can’t be fully handled by the free market because of the nature of ISPs as a natural near monopoly (because it isn’t practical to run 10 different cables to every house in the country, and beyond that local governments have granted de-juris monopolies to specific companies in many areas)

@Calabama when fear drives legislation, nothing good happens.

@hchavers I do not have a fear but know these things can happen.
If it does or does not happen, I have done my duty in speaking up, which is my right and duty. I can not just sit back and not speak up for what could really hurt us. Looking out for the best interests of the people should be THEIR goal.

@Calabama Jesus you people just kill me. The internet went it’s entire life without the fcc sticking their dick in its ear with nothing like that picture ever happening. Then a few years ago Obama forces through another massive policy change, completely sidestepping congress, and suddenly it’s THE END OF THE INTERNET!!!1! if we don’t keep it

All of the actual “net neutrality” cases with merit were either resolved shortly after by the companies involved or handled perfectly well by the ftc before any of this farce even started but nooooooo, netflix didn’t want to pay for their own fucking bandwidth so now we have to have this whole corporate-manufactured national outrage over issues practically nobody actually understands.

The fcc should’ve never been able to pull isp’s in under title II in the first place, should’ve been congress’ decision from the start. When you let unaccountable bureaucrats change the law on a whim don’t get pissy when someone you don’t like gets in and undoes it all.

@Calabama this example IS cable’s business model (not COULD BE), and cable IS regulated by the government. Do you really want the same government regulating the Internet?

@uninflammable

nooooooo, netflix didn’t want to pay for their own fucking bandwidth

Um, fuck you. I already fucking paid my ISP for that bandwidth. Who gives a shit if its from Netflix or none of anybody’s damned business.

It’s the greedy bastard ISPs (AT&T, Sprint, and mostly cable companies) that want to get paid twice for the same bandwidth. They’re just pissed Netflix did it first and see where their stock price is compared to Netflix. They want you to rent pay-per-view movies/shows from them, not Netflix.

Fuck em. If they didnt want to sell lies about ‘unlimited bandwidth, just like a utility’ or beg the government to stay out of this new Internet thing (as in taxes), then they got exactly what they asked for. No do-overs.

Turning your Internet into ISP-controlled private censorship of what the ISP will allow you to watch is worse than China. Nobody gets a vote in what companies say or do other than the 1% who buy more votes than anyone else. Its pay-to-play all the way.

Which makes destroying net neutrality the most anti-democratic, anti-humanitarian, anti-freedom, anti-American values action the FCC cpuld have possibly taken.

Ajit Pai is as a corrupt, corporate sellout as they come. There is a reason Trump picked him, and a reason AT&T paid 600K to Trump’s lawyer, Cohen, to suck up to Dolt45 as a ‘communications advisor’.

@mike808 do you know anything about the netflix v comcast legal battle that I’m talking about? It has nothing to do with you paying anything to your isp, genius, it was about netflix not wanting to pay comcast extra for all the inter-network bandwidth they were clogging the isp’s infrastructure with, and then netflix falsely claiming that comcast was throttling their connection to extort them, when in actuality it was netflix’s own internet transit provider Cogent purposefully throttling the connection www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2014/11/25/how-netflix-poisoned-the-net-neutrality-debate/amp/

None of this was anywhere close to you paying more to connect to netflix, it was cooperate maneuvering by netflix to attempt to get out of fines by false-flagging a net neutrality claim

And again, the ftc was ALREADY SOLVING “NET NEUTRALITY” DISPUTES on a case by case basis for the entire era before this bs and there were no problems. You’re fighting an imaginary controversy.

@mike808 @uninflammable Point to @mike808

@mike808 Thanks! Well said, enough “Big Brother” around, now. I enjoy the freedoms of the internet, don’t want to see this.
Meaning of net neutrality: The principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites.
Some might be mad when they can no longer get on certain sites.
When they see this, they will not be happy. Plus the speed of the internet could be throttled! They would be able to change many aspects of our rights.
[img]https://martechtoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Net-Neutrality.jpg[img]

@mike808

@mike808 @therealjrn The FCC IS BIG BROTHER, fucking hell. You people have no idea what you’re talking about, this thread is the equivalent of a lefty conspiracy theorist meetup.

If you actually think Michael fucking Cohen of all people is some shadowy corporate puppeteer pulling Pai’s strings you’re insane

@uninflammable You’ve been so respectful of our diverse viewpoints. I can’t imagine any body not automatically agreeing with you!

@mike808

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netflix-traffic-even-after-its-pays-for-more-bandwidth

@uninflammable

It has nothing to do with you paying anything to your isp, genius, it was about netflix not wanting to pay comcast extra for all the inter-network bandwidth they were clogging the isp’s infrastructure with, …

It has everything to do with paying my ISP to visit and recieve whatever I want from whatever site I want. That is the entire point of net neutrality.

Netflix didn’t clog shit of the ISP’s infrastructure. The ISPs were pissed that their customers already paid for bandwidth they couldn’t deliver on. The payment model they chose where the reciever (their customer) pays for all of the costs, and is the opposite of e/mail where the sender pays all if the costs.

Netflix only sent data the ISP’s customers asked for and already have paid for.

Netflix didn’t decide one day to force the ISP to deliver data without paying for it.

It is as if your local postman decided that he was going to stop delivering your mail if you didn’t start tipping him per envelope because you are “getting too much mail” for what the USPS pays him. You don’t control what people put a stamp on and mail to you any more than Netflix controls which ISP their subscribers use.

The thing about facts is that they’re true, whether you believe in them or not. Agree to disagree.

FYI - Obama enshrined net neutrality in administrative law because the Republican-controlled Congress abdicated their perogative to act in the interests of the people they pretend to serve.

Congress can always pass a law to make it clear to the FCC the people’s position on net neutrality. And that is exactly what is happening now. Democracy in action.

@hchavers NO.
Make sure you vote out the abdication sycophants in congress now that let the FCC start this crap by failing to make the will of the people more clear on this in the first place.

Elections matter. Vote like it was your stock share in America. Because it is.

@hchavers @mike808 It should’ve never been the fcc’s decision in the first place, giving an unaccountable bureaucracy the free will to make changes like this instead of congress is pants on head retarded. Everybody stood by and let the Obama administration get away with it and you’re reaping what was sown now that someone you don’t like is in there.

Don’t give me this will of the people bullshit when this all started because the EXECUTIVE branch, the ones who are supposed to EXECUTE policy, decided to effectively CREATE it when congress (our actual representatives, if you recall) repeatedly denied their policy prescriptions for about a decade prior. That should be the outrage, not Pai resetting it.

A practically rogue federal agency circumvented the law making process at the behest of several large corporate actors and an ideologically motivated president, they manufactured a scare campaign in the media, gave it the pretty name of “net neutrality” so that anyone who objects is now automatically against freedom, and you people just lap it up like dogs. “The will of the people,” Jesus, the “people” can barely set up their own routers and you expect their opinion on the intricacies of the entire infrastructure of the internet to be taken seriously? You people are being manipulated.

@uninflammable

A practically rogue federal agency circumvented the law making process at the behest of several large corporate actors and an ideologically motivated president,

You mean like ICE and CBP at the behest of a bigoted fascist base, a profit-driven privatized prison-industrial complex, and an ideologically motivated president?

@LordSalem It’s alteady here. It’s called Internet2. Just wait, 8K UHD VR porn is just around the corner.

Just ask your local computer science/big data university grad student. They can probably hook you up.

@oliviasimon Forgive me, but your post seems a little spammy…firstly, there is no content being blocked as a general rule…

Can you tell me what content is blocked for you?

@oliviasimon the rules haven’t been repealed yet. it doesn’t go into effect until june.

@meh @oliviasimon Darn, there goes that commission.

@oliviasimon nobody invited @narfcake to the spam party? He’s gonna be sad…

@djslack @narfcake @oliviasimon

I notified him 12 hours ago, but he’s been offline for much of the day (from after 3:20ish AM Eastern).

Why don’t we invite @Thumperchick so that she doesn’t feel left out?

@therealjrn @djslack @narfcake @PlacidPenguin @Thumperchick While I totally agree that this reeks of tinned meat product, it’s kind of bizarre - the account was created over a year ago. Just lying in wait, I guess? Like no info out there on the ‘proxy’ in question either. Appears to be from Russia or Ukraine, but beyond that all searches just seem to lead to more spamminess.

@brhfl I think we have some long game link spammers on here. This user posted some other near-necro nonsense posts recently, but if they don’t have a link I don’t say anything. I think they feel like if they have an account over a certain age or a certain post count they can try to slide.

@brhfl @djslack @narfcake @PlacidPenguin @therealjrn
I edited the comment and removed the link because it was pretty spamtastic.