@thechinglish Imagine losing 50K in a single day. Wouldn’t be me. And if it was. I wouldn’t be me the day after.

@AaronLeeJohnson huh?

@AaronLeeJohnson @thechinglish Values of typical Cybertrucks bought up through about October plummeted by 50K or more within weeks, sometimes within 24 hours. Everyone who bought one on a loan is seriously upside-down on the value, and can only get out from under it by taking a major cash hit or a huge credit score hit. The car models have held up much better, but they’re still worth a lot less today than they ought to be at this point.

@AaronLeeJohnson @thechinglish @werehatrack yea but there is a reason for that. The actual connector has been adopted as a standard and is going to used on most cars going forward. It’s just a fancy extension cord.

@AaronLeeJohnson @thechinglish @werehatrack weird response to “guh” though

@thechinglish i understand the reference

@user21811747 And charge him? Elon Musk is a trans humanist. What are you going to do when you plug him with volts and his eyes light up?

@AaronLeeJohnson @user21811747 One can believe and purport to believe in all kinds of things. Despite what some folks like to think, the belief and the pretense generally don’t grant superhuman powers.

But, hey, how about we give your hypothesis a test? I’m game.

/giphy electrocuted

@PeteJolicoeur Majority liberals bought the swasticar. Liberals and tech enthusiasts. Nazis are still driving the Volkswagen as god intended.

I am more genuinely amused at all the chumps who bought the cybertruck. Even ignoring all the ugliness/screwed up parts, they (seemingly) happily paid $60,000 over the $40,000 list price… just for some reason?

And as a bonus, everyone kinda knew that Elon was a crap human being (and a racist, and a Nazi) by the time they went on sale. So now you know that every cybertruck owner is basically a horrible human being themselves, and they are even advertising it.

People, can we avoid having this thread get major chunks locked or deleted, and take the political commentary over to the PBS thread?

Yes, I know, it’s really hard to separate Tesla from politics. Please try, here.

(I have no official standing to regulate or enforce a damn thing; this is just a suggestion pro bono.)

@werehatrack I’m more or less with you.

I’d just like to point out that

1. The “majority liberals” comment is at the very least more speculative and unnecessarily partisan.
2. Musk’s Nazi affections are known.
3. But, to your point, that he’s a shit individual doesn’t require any reference to politics.

@PeteJolicoeur Get out of here with your political fanaticism. It’s pathetic.

@AaronLeeJohnson @PeteJolicoeur not me! I drive a Ford! Who wants to replace those $$$$$ batteries? Politics has nothing to do with car buying…just common sense and a bank acct.

@pfd314 One cable goes to the wall for power.

@blastit This supports non Tesla EVs, and is not a Tesla product.

@blastit most american EV manufacturers have adopted NACS as their standard.

@blastit LOL Just 45 minutes in and they’ve already sold 9.

“NACS” stands for North American Charging Standard, as in, every new EV will use this plug going forward. They should have made it more clear in the write-up, but this will work out of the box on many non-Tesla EVs.

@blastit 47 minutes into the deal, they’ve sold 10 of them, so yeah.

@blastit HA HA One hour in and they’re up to 12 sold. That Musk guy really is smart huh.

@blastit According to the pie chart, someone bought 10 of them, and someone else bought 5. I’m really curious why.

@blastit Get out of here with your political fanaticism. It’s pathetic.

@blastit Sale is halfway over and we’re at 130 sold… or 2600% over your guess of 5 max

@lisagd22, @troy said it was a seller on Amazon that bought those ten. They’re selling them for $300. Capitalism at its finest. /sarcasm off

@ItalianScallion @troy I guess they get points for entrepreneurship, but it’s kinda rude. Of course, the people at Meh probably don’t mind too much since it’s that many more they sold.

@ItalianScallion @lisagd22 @troy It’s rude to make money? How is it rude to buy low and sell high?

@lisagd22 @therealjrn @troy Making money is not rude… well, except on healthcare. Buying low and selling high is not rude. What I do think is rude is buying a product that is in limited quantity that you don’t intend to use yourself, but to resell for a profit. Event tickets are a classic example. But like I said before: that’s capitalism at its finest.

@seraphimcaduto These are not a Tesla product. They are Tesla-compatible, but are also compatible with other makes that use the NACS charging standard.

@seraphimcaduto gd it, that made be guffaw.

@alacrity All EVs currently on the market are randomly compliant with the s’mores standard. Customer must supply their own giant crackers, marshmallow, and chocolate bar.

@gnafuthemeh agreed. If anything, buying this charger probably hurts Tesla/Musk more than it helps them.

@gnafuthemeh so do these work with non Tesla cars? Because I would love one for a non-swasticar

@seraphimcaduto Yes, with an appropriate adapter (or one of the newer EVs shipping with NACS connectors).

@gnafuthemeh @seraphimcaduto did you even read any of the write-up and description???

@Felton10 naturally or artificially because I heard he has problems with the former nowadays.

@Felton10 He has all the data from the menstruation tracking apps so he can send his spunk around to women in time for the turkey basters

@caffeineguy @Felton10 ewww…

@AaronLeeJohnson I know arguing on the Internet is like pissing into the wind, but you’re wrong about your anti-EV talking points. They are better for the environment, full stop. They cost less per mile than their gas-powered equivalents if you charge at home. They are statistically less likely to catch fire than gas-powered vehicles.

@AaronLeeJohnson most american EVs have adopted NACS as their charging standards, so this product is not exclusive to Teslas. For what it is, it’s a pretty good deal.

@AaronLeeJohnson Sorry to dispute your statements, but it is not worse for the environment than the usual (internal combustion or ICE cars as they have been called for years) vehicles. Charging it costs about a third of the cost for gas for the same miles. If you have solar power it gets cheaper. The fires in electric cars can be hard to put out, but they are much more rare than fires in internal combustion ones. And there is almost no maintenance.

Yeah, there is a lot of wrong misinformation in your comment,@AaronLeeJohnson

@andyw

or ICE cars as they have been called for years)

Not in my world. Not even for a week. Here we call them “cars.” Stop trying to make “ICE cars” a thing, they are not a thing…

@therealjrn OK, have fun living in the past!

@The_Tim It’s nice back here! You know, everybody knows their place and whatnot.

@therealjrn: “everybody knows their place and whatnot.”

WOW, is that a loaded phrase!!

I really hope that doesn’t mean what it seems to mean.

@AaronLeeJohnson Maybe you could get a Tesla in an IRK?

@therealjrn Even Road & Track, which I have been reading since 1960, reports on EVs and has EV of the Year articles. As others have indicated, get used to the future.

@AaronLeeJohnson @gnafuthemeh I tend to discredit anything said by a person using the phrase “full stop.”

@AaronLeeJohnson @matthewjfazio I actually agree with you, and I regret the feeble attempt at being forceful. I stand by everything else I wrote, but I have a similar gut reaction as you at that phrase .

@andyw What was the 1960 EV of the year then Andy? Stop trying to make “ICE Cars” a thing. Lol

@haydesigner

I really hope that doesn’t mean what it seems to mean.

What? :smiles sweetly:

@andyw @therealjrn Yes, because no one specifies “horse-drawn” for carriages or “steam-powered” for locomotives. Surely, as industries move to new technologies the old technologies being phased out continue to be referred to generically with no modifiers. Nope, just carriages and locomotives. Automobiles will somehow always mean a particular type that has never been the only type of automobile.

@andyw @therealjrn And more specific to your question, it seems at least Car and Driver did review an EV in 1960:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40396178/first-electric-vehicle-car-and-driver-ever-reviewed/

@andyw @gnafuthemeh

Nope, just carriages and locomotives.

This guy gets it.

@andyw @therealjrn Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to take my horseless carriage to the train station so I can catch the next diesel locomotive outta here!

@AaronLeeJohnson this is the worst comment I’ve seen on meh, and boy howdy I’ve seen bad

Well, I guess if you are going to be a misogynistic racist, @therealjrn, you might as well be proud of it?

@haydesigner ((hugs)) I guess my point went whoosh right by you. I’m so disappointed that comedy has left you. Peace

@seespotbark Nope, it is broken for me also.

@andyw @seespotbark sorry! Fixed!

@seespotbark I don’t think I’d want to run 50amp/240v through an adapter that isn’t UL listed. there are certified adapters out there, this isn’t one as far as I can tell.

@efierke @seespotbark from the Lectron website:

The Lectron V-BOX Pro is UL2594 and ETL compliant for safety, FCC and Energy Star certified for efficiency, and IP65 rated for use in challenging weather conditions.

also noted that the newer models are labeled “level 2”. Did not linger to find out what that was about, but looked like more flexibility in connections and programming charging rates.

Also noted price direct is $369 with free shipping. A bit less than amazon. This offer here looks like a good deal.

@efierke @seespotbark @stolicat Level 2 is the term for home chargers that run on 240 v (some plug into dryer outlets) and some of the commercial chargers. They are faster than 120 v plugs and slower than Level 3 DC chargers which are not made for home use.

The hate is far more directed at the current CEO, and not the company itself, @phendrick.

But in all honesty, it should be more surprising that everyone doesn’t hate a Nazi.

@phendrick “so much hate for Teslas here”

…

not enough.

@efierke @phendrick I don’t know if they have softened their stance, but as of last I checked, the Tesla company had given its customers more than adequate reason to dislike them due to its extremist stance on right-to-repair; the owner does not have an inherent right to make any repair to a Tesla according to their policy. Often, the dealerships have refused to sell parts to an owner, and in states with no explicit RtR law, they routinely refuse to sell to third-party repair shops.

@phendrick I feel like youre missing the point. Its not blind hate for Tesla or even the cars. If you already have one and like it, enjoy .

Elon could ONLY do all the harm he has because of his money from Tesla. Saying i wont ever buy another Tesla product is more a kin to “i wont give Elon more bullets " . Also its a message, " I dont condone ANY CEO trying this again” .

Its not [just] about cars, its about sponsoring a generally bad persons efforts to do bad things, and hoping that the collapse of a once solid company skews the “cost / benefit for the next CEO”.

@phendrick So much “virtue signalling” going on, it’s hilarious.

Everyone loved Elon-- the green energy space man who will send us to mars-- until he bought Twitter. Then he was thrown out of the Progressive cult, like every other member who didn’t follow lock-step with what “the current thing” is.

They are a fickle bunch.

@matthewjfazio @phendrick Yep, all he did was buy Twitter. Nothing else wrong at all. I don’t think I’m alone in disliking his and Tesla’s tactics long before that.

@gnafuthemeh @matthewjfazio @phendrick Elon haters are sheeple. Most LOVED him until they were told not to.

Elon b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-d!

@gnafuthemeh @matthewjfazio @phendrick @Trinityscrew sheeple… you go with your far-right hateword.

… appropriate that “screw” is part of your username.

@gnafuthemeh @matthewjfazio @phendrick @Trinityscrew It’s amazing to me how many people hated Musk and everything about him when he was seen as a panderer to the greenies, but started to adore him when he said he’d take a chainsaw to the whole government. This didn’t make them change their attitude towards EVs or Tesla, of course. And now that Musk is dropping back to try to salvage something with “his” car company (that he doesn’t have a controlling interest in), at least two members of the Tesla board are privately looking for candidates to replace him as CEO. And had I known earlier that one of the major shareholders in Tesla is Rupert Murdoch, a whole lot of the ensuing mess would have been a lot easier to predict.

I find it telling that Musk made the move to ditch out of DOGE only after his Golden Toilet Paper Roll “benefits package” of $50 billion was vetoed by a judge.

Anyway, since I can’t afford to buy any car right now, not even a used one, my urge to boycott Tesla for multiple reasons will remain entirely academic.

@gnafuthemeh @phendrick @Trinityscrew @werehatrack Entirely academic? More like entirely fanatical. You’re entertaining, though-- so impotent and angry.

@gnafuthemeh @phendrick @pmarin @Trinityscrew Hateworld? Dude, projection is a thing-- you’re dripping in hatred and anger. We’re just sitting back and laughing at you, no hate on our part.

Go on, you are now my entertainment…

@gnafuthemeh @matthewjfazio @phendrick @pmarin @Trinityscrew think we found the guy who bought a cybertruck thinking it would make up for something tiny…

And it’s depressingly hilarious to see literal cult followers call anyone else sheep.

Elon was a dogebag from the start btw, he managed to trick people for a while by stealing companies from their founders and credit from actual engineers. Engineers have always been highly skeptical of him and anyone intelligent had alarms going off from the idiotic hyperloop idea. But don’t blame the normal people he tricked, with lies and manipulation, for changing their minds when they found out the truth.
Really the only ones to be judged are the ones who are attracted to what everyone knows he is now.

@bobthenormal @gnafuthemeh @phendrick @pmarin @Trinityscrew Wow, you really sound like a hate filled fanatic and are proving my point.

Go on, this is entertaining. You can’t do anything about it other than angrily, impotently ramble.

@gnafuthemeh @matthewjfazio @phendrick @pmarin The word is crew. Trinity’s Crew. The handle is based on my niece’s name for an online game we all play as a team. I Noticed you have “P” in your name. Does that mean you like golden showers?

As for calling the recently converted Musk haters sheeple, ewe certainly had a visceral reaction to it. I feel s-a-a-a-a-a-ad for you.

@andyw I had a new service entry and main breaker panel done about 2 years ago. The cost to add a 50A EV circuit was pretty small (it was in the driveway near the new breaker panel). A new retrofit or longer wire run would be more. (The copper wire is not cheap these days either).

And yes, my Model 3 has been excellent. Only thing was some wind noise my wife complained about on passenger side; I thought it was OK but car is so quiet you hear more things. Service replaced the weatherstrip but took overnight to get the part so they gave us free loaner car. Everybody cheerful and happy I don’t know what they put in their water. Same with Space-X launches if you watch those seems like a bunch of happy educated pretty young people. Perhaps the new Master Race hoping to go populate Mars?

@andyw @pmarin

Perhaps the new Master Race hoping to go populate Mars?

@DrunkCat Try again. This is not a Tesla product.

@werehatrack Tesla branding all over that page. If they don’t want the association, don’t use the branding.

@werehatrack It’s what we should expect from the faulty, bug-ridden, sloppy “AI” implementation that “@DrunkCat” is.

@ItalianScallion Please resubmit your comment in the form of a showme prompt.

“@DrunkCat” Please resubmit the bug report on yourself regarding your continued inability to understand comments to the software developer(s) that created you. They’ll fix you if they can, and if they can’t, well have a nice life inside an obsolete robot that scrubs plasma conduits.

Oh, and since nobody asked, here’s a 48-minute video on the topic.

@The_Tim I’m a simple man. I see a Technology Connections video, I click the star.

@dahobbs9 the specs say “Condition: New”.

@dahobbs9 @TimW The chances are good that the manufacturer overbuilt with the expectation that the Cybertruck market share would meet projections. It’s fair to say that it didn’t. And with new vehicle sales rates (in general) set to fall off a cliff, this may reflect a prudent move on their part. Meanwhile, people who already have a NACS-compliant vehicle (or one that can use the NACS charger via an adapter) now have the option of picking up a relatively fast charger cheap. (Getting it wired may be a different matter.)

@dahobbs9 @TimW @werehatrack Didn’t read the manual on this but the Tesla version can take 120V, 240V and you can set it for max current to match the wiring. But ideally as mentioned you wire it on a 50A circuit and based on the 80% safety rule mentioned here you will charge up to 40A normally. Yes other cars can charge on it too. My friend with a Nissan Leaf (which has 2 funky connectors but not this one) bought an eBay adapter so he can charge from this style too.

@omally Is your “gas” Nitrous Oxide by the way?
Just say N2O!

/showme morbid ferocious rib

@unksol In my younger days I would jump on a 34-year-old Metro as a project. Not a convertible, is it?
My mother had one at the time and funny thing she would drive down to Santa Cruz with my father who was 6’3”. It was about 80 miles and it took a while to unfold him out of the passenger seat of the Metro. I’d usually do oil changes and stuff on it. Cute little 3-cylinder engine as I recall.

My Tesla has no engine and needs basically no maintenance. I think there’s something down there somewhere. I think if it needs attention it will tell me or just notify Elon directly.

@pmarin I haven’t done much since I broke it down. I have several shops looked up but need to get some parts in. The valve seats are bad cause it was burning valves. There are chunks missing from the valves.
https://meh.com/forum/topics/unksols-metro-build-thread-maybe

Can’t seem to find new valves seats so i def need a shop to do it. Dad bought it in like 98. we went to a few soccer games in it. I wanted to when i was in highschool but he wanted to wait then it sat in a garage for years. He got cancer and I wish we’d fixed it… I’ve got it torn down. Full rockauto cart for a while. It’s just a normal 2 door hatchback. 12 inch wheels. But the can be 14s with some convertible knuckles etc.

I have at least a dozen threads bookmarked on the geo metro forums lol

@Mandamm - Nice!
You must not drive very far each day. My '92 Accord has <120K miles and the original cassette deck.

@kdemo @Mandamm Oh yeah long road trips with a stack of cassettes… Then newer stuff only those new CD things. I have 2 old things that have both cassettes AND CD player! But no Bluetooth so I’m still screwed.

@kdemo @Mandamm @pmarin you can get a cigarette plug adapter that will translate Bluetooth to a radio frequency you can tune in.

I have one but don’t really use it.

I need to pull the head unit out of the expedition again and see if I can fix the tape deck. Cause I have all my dads tapes/tdk travel cases from when I was a kid. Might just be a belt issue but who’s making cassette deck belts anymore

@kdemo @Mandamm @pmarin @unksol Try West Coast Belts! Just received some from them for a pair of vintage Pioneer cassette decks.

https://westcoastbelts.com/

@kdemo @Mandamm @pmarin @PooltoyWolf will note that for later. It’s a ford head unit though so probably custom… Not even sure that’s the issue. It just won’t fully load and play.

@kdemo @Mandamm @pmarin @unksol Could be any number of gremlins, yeah

@kdemo @Mandamm @pmarin @PooltoyWolf
Yeah. I need to pull it out again and see if I can disassemble it. I thought about just replacing it with a modern Bluetooth unit. But I have all my dads cassetes and they are sort of… satisfying to load. Took apart VCRs and other random stuff for him and got them to work lol.

There’s also a tape in the deck of the metro. So that will be interesting.

@stinks it’s a shorthand way of saying “this unit can add up to 46 miles of range to your electric vehicle for every hour that it is plugged in.” It’s on the large end home charging stations.

@plymouthdave Okay, I believe you, but what’s the standard unit for what you’re moving 46 miles?

@stinks There isn’t a standard unit. It considers a typical EV, typical usage. It’s a reference for general comparison, not a hard stat. First of all, the car has to be able to accept that much current, not all do. Second, a smaller car like a Bolt gets more range per kWh than a beast like the Ford Lightning Pickup.

@KhoaTon nobody really needs wifi access/control. The cars already have that built-in

@caffeineguy @KhoaTon Yep, plug it in and forget it.

@Commonwealth109 People have every right to their feelings. Negative feelings about Musk are fully warranted and variously relevant. Part of what’s great about this space is that we talk shit about all kinds of stuff. Are you new here or just thick?

I’m seeing lots of love for EV and plenty of defense of the charger itself, even from those who rightly despise Musk.

Seems about right to me.

Bless your heart. It sounds like you need a hug.

/giphy you need a hug

@joelmw - Thanks for saying this. I came this close to knee-jerk canceling my meh account today. Glad I came to the comments first.

@rzaffke whoa there partner; cult of personality aside, their tech and approach has been unmatched. it’s unfortunate that the best thing now would be for Tesla to distance themselves from their lightning rod.

@coleman567 @rzaffke

…the best thing now would be for Tesla to distance themselves from their lightning rod.

And make high quality cars and completely disable their self-driving features until they get them working in a safe way.

@kittykat9180 That seller is using our sale as a supply and will just be ordering it from meh as soon as an order rolls through on Amazon. Very frustrating!

@kittykat9180 @troy Is that the person who ordered 10?

@Kyeh yup! He’ll be a bit out of luck if someone orders from him today since he has reached the qty limit

@Kyeh @troy

https://meh.com/forum/topics/circuit-breaker-and-fighting-runners

@narfcake @troy So are his orders being cancelled? I see that there’s a limit of 3 now.

@Kyeh @narfcake Nope – we only cancel orders if they circumvent our max order quantity by purchasing with multiple accounts. I did lower the quantity to 3 to save more for customers who actually need these for themselves than for profit, but his order for 10 will go through. Should we have any left, we will likely throw the rest of these on Amazon ourselves

@narfcake @troy I see. Thanks for the explanation.

@jjlcle The cost of the installation, if you already have enough space in the breaker box, is often increased by the distance from the box to the device since the heavy gauge wire needed for the run is expensive.

@andyw @jjlcle When we leased an EV a few years ago (not a Tesla), I quickly realized that a fast home charger was necessary. Fortunately, when we built this house back in '97, I took the advice of the local electric utility and had a 400A service installed, with 2 breaker panels in the garage. Made it a snap to wire a 50A outlet for the EV charger. (I did it myself, with ~$50 worth of HW from Home Depot. )

@jjlcle I don’t believe you have to have a 50A circuit to power this unit, the unit features flexible charging options with multiple amp settings (16, 32, 40 & 48A). You DO need to have a circuit with at least 125% of the Amps selected on the unit.

16A charging requires a 20A circuit and 48A would require a 60A circuit.

@shirlema I assume they used “Tesla” in the title for clickbait, but this is just a charger with an NACS connector which is standard for all EVs in North America as of 2025. It’s not made by Tesla and doesn’t make any money for Tesla, it can just be used to charge a Tesla or any other EV you can currently buy. It’s like if Meh ran a deal for Michelin tires that could fit on a Tesla.

@shirlema I don’t understand what exactly you think is unethical about selling this product.

I hate the rich Nazi as much as anybody, but this is a third-party EV charger that uses the NACS standard that most EVs in North America will support going forward.

@demonbane @shirlema Didn’t use it as clickbait – Amazon uses Tesla in the title as well because it’s a way to differentiate from J1772. Tesla and NACS have been synonymous for the longest time but that’s just now changing.

@shirlema “Unethical Shit”

Get out of here with your political fanaticism.

@shirlema Was way more disappointed by the coffee than this… and they at least had a decent defense for that iirc (somebody said “hey a third party is liquidating it so we bought” I think I recall. Not absolution, but at least it’s an argument).

@shirlema

Maybe have an ethical consult?

With whom, pray tell? Who is this powerful, non-errant guide?

@andyw Hey, at least he didn’t try to kill his family by running the car with the garage door closed. OH WAIT–

@mrdancer But wouldn’t the circuit being used for the charger have a proper circuit breaker to limit the current to what the wiring and outlet could handle? That seems like basic code and safety compliance to me.

The charger isn’t shown as coming with an outlet, just that it has a NEMA 14-50 plug. NEMA 14-50 is rated to 50 amps, so I’m not sure why they are saying the limit is 40 amps.

@mrdancer I am not an electrician, but… I believe the 48 A means it can deliver up to 48 amps when connected to a 60 a breaker. You are allowed to deliver 80% of a breaker’s rating. It was badly stated, but I am sure it means, if you are not hard-wiring it, it comes with a plug that goes into a NEMA 14-50 outlet and if that is 50 A, you would get 40 A to charge with.

@Bloodshedder a NEMA 14-50 can only be used at 80% capacity for ‘continuous loads’ like charging, so limited to 40A w/ a 14-50 connector.
The danger is that a 14-50 receptacle is permitted to be wired with only 8/3 cable and a 40A breaker; that would be bad if running at 40A.

@Bloodshedder the limit is 40 amps because the steady load by the national electrical code for circuit breakers is limited to 80% of the rated load. Thus a NEMA 50 outlet is limited to 40 amps.

@norrisjc You could instead buy any number of cars now shipping with NACS ports, or any number of other cars without NACS ports but use a $30 NACS adapter.

@samnsara Some folks go a step further to rebadge them as a different brand.

I’m not sure I’m convinced. I know racoons aren’t:

@narfcake @samnsara Well, they are dumpsters, so…

@eslabs1 What am I missing? Apparently the cord is 16 feet? Or did you mean the cord going from the charger to the 50 amp circuit? Because those are seemingly always short.

@eslabs1 @MeLlamoScott 25’ is the common standard and expectation with level 2 chargers

@eslabs1 most 2025 EV and PHEV vehicles have their own app that tell you when charging is complete (our 2024 PHEV does.) Sidedeals has a separate stand to place the charger closer to where you might plug in. Just wire the charger closer to where you park?

@eslabs1 @MeLlamoScott @MrMark 25’ is more common than it used to be, but it’s still not standard. 3 of the top 5 rated by InsideEVs are short of 25’. It’s been a while since I checked into it, but the last time I did, 25’ was the max allowed. I’d be sure to look for UL listing on anything offering 25’ or more that wasn’t a well-known brand.

@eslabs1 Are you sure about that? I looked up the manual on Lectron’s Web site, and it looks like you need to install their phone app to configure the charger at all.

@matthewjfazio Yeah I came here for the Tesla hate. Note: I have a Tesla Model 3 and love it. I am in an area where it seems mostly safe. Other areas, not so sure about; definitely not the truckbot; it screams vandalize me!

@btreth I can see the appeal of wifi, definitely if the utility requires it, but as a 12 year EV owner without a wifi charger, I wouldn’t see it as a dealbreaker otherwise. You can poll the car via wifi to do many of the functions, anyway. All I ever do is plug in and forget it.

@plymouthdave

@ewhac Justified? I beg to differ. Explain to me exactly how all this newly minted bias is justified other than by ginned-up balderdash.

@ewhac Knowing WHY something ended up on meh is often the most important reason for considering it. We’ve seen literally thousands of failed products, products with terrible marketing ideas that flopped; expired goods; products that are outright dangerous; products that even meh buyers must have been tricked into buying (candy corn?). If Lectron is lightening their “Tesla” load because of anti-Musk sentiment, awesome. Now we just need Musk to publicly associate himself with “Pasta” and “Ramen” and some right-wing-coffee so they can end up here again.

HIKING! VIKINGS! STRIKE KING [BRAND FISHING LURES]! AWESOME!

OMG, for those of you who are Casemates people, it’s “charming Leo” himself, from my Lab Rat writeups.

Ok, time to be clear about J3400 vs. J1772. Tesla did not create its own connector because the CCS wasn’t ready yet - it created its own because J1772 looks and functions like it was designed by a committee of coked-up raccoons. The NACS connector is mechanically advantageous because it is smaller, it self-centers for insertion (+/- 15 degrees or so), it’s not as prone to breaking, and combined AC and DC modes (versus CCS which created a separate set of pins). J1772 and CCS must be precisely positioned by the operator and the outer rings easily crack off (I can’t count the number of times I’ve found broken connectors on public stations because someone cranked on the connector wrong). Finally, the SAE had a number of engineers who felt it was important that the connector look like a gas pump handle, for whatever reason. What made other vendors all jump straight to NACS right after Ford’s announcement? Simple - it’s a better connector and Tesla removed the final barrier (the cross-licensing aspect).

@chuegen

Tesla removed the final barrier (the cross-licensing aspect).

That’s the only time I’ve ever heard of them doing something that could be construed as pro bono, but I’m sure they also were able to figure out that having everyone standardize on “their plug” meant that buyers of those other-make vehicles would tend to use their chargers when on the road.

Of course, eventually the NACS connector will be everywhere, but that’s not quite the case yet.

@chuegen wrote:

The NACS connector is mechanically advantageous because it … [has] combined AC and DC modes (versus CCS which created a separate set of pins).

I suspect the reason CCS went with separate pins was to physically separate the two charging circuits, thereby making it much harder to deliver the wrong kind of power to the car.

@ekw Surprisingly though, you didn’t tell everyone to “do better” lol

How is it up there in your oh-so-clever observation tower?

@ekw @therealjrn Observation tower? View from Air Force One is better. Also one (two) of the last flying 747s.

@ekw @pmarin Indeed

@ekw @pmarin @therealjrn There are 426 747s still in service, but a large number of them are being used for cargo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_747_operators#:~:text=As of April 2025%2C there,variant in the following table.

{{{@draigun}}}

@UFGatorHawk Be careful and make sure your 14-50 receptacle(s) is actually wired for 50A. Many get wired up w/ 8/3 and a 40A breaker. To be fair, the Tesla Corded Mobile Connector w/ its fixed 14-50 end also works at 40A (but not at that price).

@caffeineguy Yes for sure. It’s actually wired with 6awg and the run is only 5 feet from the panel.

Are you sure about the Tesla Mobile Connector being able to pull 40A? I’ve never seen evidence from anyone that it can pull more than 32A with the 14-50 dongle.

The Tesla Wall Connector on the other hand, if it’s hard wired, it can do 48A (w 60A rated circuit)

@UFGatorHawk The “Corded Mobile Connector” was 40A and was originally “For Model S/X”. The “Universal Mobile Connector” with interchangable ends was only rated for 32A w/ the 14-50 or 6-50 adapter. (Ironically/Interestingly, some 14-50 adapter ends actually have 30A printed on the silkscreens! The 10-30 and 14-30 adapters have 24A printed on them!)