I don’t think so, it didn’t seem to work with any sites or browsers I tested and wasn’t affected by the anti-cookie addons. Now all this testing has made me hungry for some of the Oat Chocolate Chip Kid Krispie Treats Meh just delivered the other day.
@Star2236 I argued (and still argue) that it is a dessert bar. A Google search of “dessert bar” does shoe-horn cookies and cake into that category, but it’s about preparation really.
I think it’s considered a confectionary (?) but, I just found a bunch of recipes for Rice Krispie Treat cookies online but they are more cookies than RKT’s.
I don’t know if you’re familiar with Jaffa Cakes (quite popular in UK, rare in the US, although seem to be seeing them more often). There was once a debate if they were really a cookie or not:
Ended up as a famous court case in the UK that took to the highest court to determine if Jaffa Cakes were legally cookies or cakes. (the reason it matters is for taxation purposes)
Court found that Jaffa Cakes really were cakes not cookies.
If tax money were at stake- you might see Rice Krispie treats be ruled upon by the supreme court to determine if they’re cookies or not.
@duodec if you ever get to try the original McVities Jaffa Cakes, I think they’re better than any of the rip-off brands that you see in stores these days. I mean, I’ve never had a bad Jaffa cake, but the originals are best.
@OnionSoup why tomatoes are considered a veggie and not a fruit. it was for tax purposes.
In the 19th century, the U.S. Supreme Court faced a similarly ridiculous question: Are tomatoes fruits or vegetables?
At the time the Port Authority of New York classified tomatoes as vegetables, which were subject to a 10 percent import tax.
A fruit importer argued that tomatoes were fruits, which were not taxed.
In the case, witnesses read from dictionaries, and definitions for “fruit” and “vegetable” were read in court. Also definitions of “tomato,” “pea,” “eggplant,” “cucumber,” “squash” and “pepper.”
In the Supreme Court decision, the justices distinguished between science and everyday life. The justices admitted that botanically speaking, tomatoes were technically fruits. But in everyday life, they decided, vegetables were things “usually served at dinner in, with, or after the soup, fish, or meats … and not, like fruits generally, as dessert.”
So under customs law, the court ruled, tomatoes counted as vegetables — and the importer had to keep paying the tariff.
If you want to be a nerd about it and give it a specific pigeonhole, a marshmallow treat (s’more, moonpie, mallowmar/whippet) can be a relative of the cookie, it itself part of the umbrella/kingdom of baked/non-baked confections that include bars (granola bars, kudos), brownies, doughnuts, crackers, pies, cheesecake, etc.
I wouldn’t call it a cookie, more like a cereal treat. But I do think it is acceptable to put it on a cookie tray. Just like no bake cookies, they aren’t really cookies, but what else would you call them? Oatmeal, peanut butter, cocoa balls, or oatmeal treats? But both food items are fine for a cookie tray as long as the cookie tray has other cookies on it.
When my kids were young, I looked for treats that had “some redeeming nutritional value” like the movies with “some redeeming social value”. Rice crispy bars were in this good category. But my kids weren’t picky about whether they were or were not a “cookie”. They just said “Thanks, Mom”.
@bayportbob Yes, it was. And I shamelessly sought better nutrition for my kids. Whatever worked. Hide shredded veggies in most anything. Cereal in “cookies”. (I think ones “taster” gets sort of set about sugar. With minimum from that ingredient, things like carrots start tasting sweet.) Scratch baking with simple ingredients. Bowl of fruit on the counter. Etc. Etc.
@romellex
Hi, I’m truly not criticizing, just wanting to understand, but what was the redeeming nutritional value that you perceived to be present in RKT’s?
If you had said oatmeal raisin cookies weith walnuts or pecans, or even peanut butter cookies, I’d have understood.
I do get the ‘keeping fruit available and easy to grab’ idea, just not the rice cereal and marshmallow connection…
Thanks,
PA
@PhysAssist Once upon a time, in the days when advertising interrupted everything¹, cereals like Rice Krispies were depicted as “AnImportantPartOfThisCompleteBreakfast²” while flashing an image of the meal for such a brief period that it might as well have been intended to be subliminal. Thus was the myth that breakfast cereals were Good For You perpetuated, even when they were more than half sugar.
But you almost certainly knew all of that. It ought to be difficult to be my age and not be disgustedly aware of just how much of that kind of advertising we still see, except now they lie about things that are far more profitable and much more deadly³, and people apparently pay even less attention to it.
¹ As if it ever stopped.
² The entire phrase was spoken as a single uninterrupted run-on word.
³ And they even tell you that the stuff will kill you, using a voiceover that’s accelerated to the point of being impossible for machine transcription to accurately render it, just in case you thought you might want to know what they hell they said.
@werehatrack You are correct, of course, and it’s honestly only getting worse, as now they can use software to speed up the voice even more without losing too much [more] fidelity.
In a nutshell, this is the (deranged) origin of a string of Star Trek episodes dealing with the tribble nuisance/plague. One scientist, not understanding the dangers of playing God, creates an organism with such a high reproductive rate, they’re practically born pregnant. And all tribbles do is replicate… to the point they can blot out the skies.
I don’t think so, it didn’t seem to work with any sites or browsers I tested and wasn’t affected by the anti-cookie addons. Now all this testing has made me hungry for some of the Oat Chocolate Chip Kid Krispie Treats Meh just delivered the other day.
KuoH
I don’t consider it a cookie. It’s a Rice Krispie, it’s in its own category.
@Star2236 I argued (and still argue) that it is a dessert bar. A Google search of “dessert bar” does shoe-horn cookies and cake into that category, but it’s about preparation really.
@Star2236 yep it is still something that sweet, but is Not a Cookie.
It’s a grain, it’s held together by some sugary goodness …
It’s a brownie. Minus the chocolate.
Also, cereal is a soup.
@narfcake cereal is a salad
@narfcake It’s salad, but if you add sugar and fruit, it’s pie.
@narfcake @rockblossom I’m more inclined to think warm milkshake with toppings.
KuoH
@kuoh @narfcake Well, sure - if you add milk.
I think it’s considered a confectionary (?) but, I just found a bunch of recipes for Rice Krispie Treat cookies online but they are more cookies than RKT’s.
Yes, they are bar cookies, if you want to believe Allrecipes https://www.allrecipes.com/recipes/836/desserts/cookies/bar-cookies/
and Marth Stewart. Listed under “cookie recipes” :
https://www.marthastewart.com/316556/crispy-chocolate-marshmallow-treats
Brownies are also cookies.
@rockblossom I’m all for a broad definition of cookie.
@sammydog01 A cake without frosting is just a large cookie if you bake it crispy enough.
@rockblossom @sammydog01 soft baked cookies ftw
@rockblossom @sammydog01 The Zen philosopher, Basho, once wrote, 'A flute with no holes, is not a flute. A donut with no hole, is a Danish. ’
Perhaps this profound question would be best posed to a world renowned expert in the subject?
KuoH
@kuoh
I don’t know if you’re familiar with Jaffa Cakes (quite popular in UK, rare in the US, although seem to be seeing them more often). There was once a debate if they were really a cookie or not:
Ended up as a famous court case in the UK that took to the highest court to determine if Jaffa Cakes were legally cookies or cakes. (the reason it matters is for taxation purposes)
Court found that Jaffa Cakes really were cakes not cookies.
If tax money were at stake- you might see Rice Krispie treats be ruled upon by the supreme court to determine if they’re cookies or not.
@OnionSoup
Sounds like the old Fig Newton commercials (that elevated it from a simple cookie to “fruit and cake”… But don’t call it a tart)
@OnionSoup Aldi has one of their German weeks coming next week; they’ll have Jaffa cakes in stock.
@duodec if you ever get to try the original McVities Jaffa Cakes, I think they’re better than any of the rip-off brands that you see in stores these days. I mean, I’ve never had a bad Jaffa cake, but the originals are best.
@OnionSoup why tomatoes are considered a veggie and not a fruit. it was for tax purposes.
In the 19th century, the U.S. Supreme Court faced a similarly ridiculous question: Are tomatoes fruits or vegetables?
At the time the Port Authority of New York classified tomatoes as vegetables, which were subject to a 10 percent import tax.
A fruit importer argued that tomatoes were fruits, which were not taxed.
In the case, witnesses read from dictionaries, and definitions for “fruit” and “vegetable” were read in court. Also definitions of “tomato,” “pea,” “eggplant,” “cucumber,” “squash” and “pepper.”
In the Supreme Court decision, the justices distinguished between science and everyday life. The justices admitted that botanically speaking, tomatoes were technically fruits. But in everyday life, they decided, vegetables were things “usually served at dinner in, with, or after the soup, fish, or meats … and not, like fruits generally, as dessert.”
So under customs law, the court ruled, tomatoes counted as vegetables — and the importer had to keep paying the tariff.
It’s a brownie.
If you want to be a nerd about it and give it a specific pigeonhole, a marshmallow treat (s’more, moonpie, mallowmar/whippet) can be a relative of the cookie, it itself part of the umbrella/kingdom of baked/non-baked confections that include bars (granola bars, kudos), brownies, doughnuts, crackers, pies, cheesecake, etc.
Add milk and it is a
cerealno wait…it is asoupIt’s not actually cooked, is it, beyond the state of the original ingredients? So can it be a cookie?
@brainmist … Are you saying it could be an open-faced sandwich?
In my entirely arbitrary and wholly arrogant opinion, Rice Krispies “Treats” are not cookies, and not food. They are a sticky abomination. </rant>
@werehatrack Agreed, and I would include just about anything that has marshmallow as a major component.
I wouldn’t call it a cookie, more like a cereal treat. But I do think it is acceptable to put it on a cookie tray. Just like no bake cookies, they aren’t really cookies, but what else would you call them? Oatmeal, peanut butter, cocoa balls, or oatmeal treats? But both food items are fine for a cookie tray as long as the cookie tray has other cookies on it.
When my kids were young, I looked for treats that had “some redeeming nutritional value” like the movies with “some redeeming social value”. Rice crispy bars were in this good category. But my kids weren’t picky about whether they were or were not a “cookie”. They just said “Thanks, Mom”.
@romellex like the movies with “some redeeming social value” is how they tried to justify x rated movies back in the day, wasn’t it?
@bayportbob @romellex Often, it was a single line of dialogue insisting on the use of a condom. (Or so I’m told. I was never a fan of that genre.)
@bayportbob Yes, it was. And I shamelessly sought better nutrition for my kids. Whatever worked. Hide shredded veggies in most anything. Cereal in “cookies”. (I think ones “taster” gets sort of set about sugar. With minimum from that ingredient, things like carrots start tasting sweet.) Scratch baking with simple ingredients. Bowl of fruit on the counter. Etc. Etc.
@romellex
Hi, I’m truly not criticizing, just wanting to understand, but what was the redeeming nutritional value that you perceived to be present in RKT’s?
If you had said oatmeal raisin cookies weith walnuts or pecans, or even peanut butter cookies, I’d have understood.
I do get the ‘keeping fruit available and easy to grab’ idea, just not the rice cereal and marshmallow connection…
Thanks,
PA
@PhysAssist Once upon a time, in the days when advertising interrupted everything¹, cereals like Rice Krispies were depicted as “AnImportantPartOfThisCompleteBreakfast²” while flashing an image of the meal for such a brief period that it might as well have been intended to be subliminal. Thus was the myth that breakfast cereals were Good For You perpetuated, even when they were more than half sugar.
But you almost certainly knew all of that. It ought to be difficult to be my age and not be disgustedly aware of just how much of that kind of advertising we still see, except now they lie about things that are far more profitable and much more deadly³, and people apparently pay even less attention to it.
¹ As if it ever stopped.
² The entire phrase was spoken as a single uninterrupted run-on word.
³ And they even tell you that the stuff will kill you, using a voiceover that’s accelerated to the point of being impossible for machine transcription to accurately render it, just in case you thought you might want to know what they hell they said.
@werehatrack You are correct, of course, and it’s honestly only getting worse, as now they can use software to speed up the voice even more without losing too much [more] fidelity.
@PhysAssist @werehatrack
You’ll have to pause to see the warnings behind the hard-coded captioning.
The whole story:
https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/video/zS2a7flzoQ4z_T_jkaJa_duNQ9jwDdW3/
A garbled summary via the star actor:
In a nutshell, this is the (deranged) origin of a string of Star Trek episodes dealing with the tribble nuisance/plague. One scientist, not understanding the dangers of playing God, creates an organism with such a high reproductive rate, they’re practically born pregnant. And all tribbles do is replicate… to the point they can blot out the skies.
it’s made from grains and a sticky sweet binder that when heated melts and holds it together.
it’s a granola bar.
https://cuberule.com/
According to the Cube rule they’re in the nacho family.