@tinamarie1974 That would have gotten my vote, too. I think me being ready for winter to end has only happened once.
@katbyter@ecanada I think it would be more appropriate to label snow as precipitation than humidity. I’m not really a person who knows these things, so this might be completely wrong, but… Cold air can hold less water (low absolute humidity?). This also means that a small amount of water in the air means higher relative humidity at cold temperatures than at hot temperatures, because the air is saturated sooner. I think snow (and rain) forms at high relative humidity (maybe 100%… Again, I don’t actually know this stuff), but that wouldn’t necessarily mean high relative humidity where I’m standing when the snow falls on me. It just had to be high up in the sky where the snowflakes formed. And snow doesn’t form at all in conditions where there is high absolute humidity because… Cold means low absolute humidity. So… Let’s just not call the snow humidity. It’s too confusing. (I wasn’t the only person I confused with that jumble of words… Right?)
Humidity is a measure of the amount of water vapour being held in the air. Water vapour is a gas. Precipitation is when the gas turns to liquid or solid and forms rain, snow, hail, mist, fog, frost, dew etc. This happens when the air cools and relative humidity rises to 100% so the air cannot hold as much water vapour.
So in practice when peak humidity is reached at 100% (the most humid) it changes to precipitation. Is precipitation 100+ humidity then?
This thread will draw a stark contrast between those who have and those who have NOT experienced true humidity. Even the people I knew in the very, very dry central valley of California would recount their small handful of experiences in real humidity with the glassy-eyed, thousand-yard stare of someone suffering from very moist PTSD.
To borrow a phrase from political fanatics: There is no “other side”.
Humidity can be acclimated to. Healthy humans are well-suited to this.
Ancient humans almost certainly preferred humid, warm climates, because survival was easier. Part of this advantage had to do with acquiring food, which is going to be more plentiful and available in humid, warm or tropical settings.
I would presume that some people who voted for the “low heat high humidity” option have lived extensively in (and therefore have experience of) truly tropical settings, where a 70-80%-humidity day could be notable for being a bit “dry”.
Florida, and also highly humid places further south, are still v popular year-round-living retirement localities, even among those who could just as easily afford a move to the southwestern desert areas.
Of course, A/C being commonplace indoors makes both the “Death Valley” and the “Everglades” type climates far easier to bear, esp when the calendar moves toward summer temps
@dvermilion@f00l I used to take adjudicated youth canoeing across the state of Florida. I found it takes about 3 weeks to acclimate. PROVIDED you resist the temptation to then turn the A/C to cold, etc. It also means, if you have acclimated, when you walk into any store there you practically need a winter coat because you then freeze.
@shampshire Go back to where you came from outlander. Everyone knows it is non stop miserable drizzle and clouds all year here. Out of control fungus and rot and epidemic levels of vitamin D deficiency. Suicidal depression is rampant because outsiders come here and can’t cope with 12 months of gray and permanent raisin toes. Do yourself a favor and escape while you still have your sanity.
@shampshire The view from the sea is certainly incredibly beautiful up there. I once took a ferry from Seattle to Vancouver Island. It was an amazing ride. And not raining that day either.
@moonhat@tweezak A late 60s diesel Tollycraft. She’s 50 feet long and nearly 17 feet wide. I have friends with less square footage in their houses. And close enough to my office that I usually walked (pre COVID).
@moonhat@shampshire@tweezak You in a lake, ocean bay, river…? Since you walk to your office I presume at a marina? Does it work to take trips in?
Please post photos of the interior! I have lived on schooners and brigantines, etc. and while most of the space was dedicated to passengers, the ingenious space saving creations on (some) boats amazed me. I miss the gentle rocking. Especially at night.
You have more square footage than I live in by lot.
@moonhat@shampshire My parents used to live aboard a 63’ steel hulled boat called the Cruizero Do Sul (Southern Cross). It was made in Rio de Janiero in the 50s. It had a 14 foot beam and drew 7.5’. It had twin Perkins diesels below decks in a space that was tall enough for a 6’1" person to stand up comfortably.
It was big enough it wouldn’t fit in a normal slip so it was moored on the end of the pier. Once in a while they’d be woken in the night when a large log floating down the river bonked into the side.
As they got older they grew tired of having to pack their groceries all the way from the parking lot and also packing out their garbage.
I always liked that boat. It had a lot of character. There was a stove in the main entertaining area and behind it was a really cool tile mosaic that was apparently done by a famous Brazilian artist.
@moonhat@shampshire I could get pictures from my folks. They were able to keep the book with all the drawings and pictures of it being built. I remember a b&w pic of it in the bay at Rio with Sugarloaf Mountain in the background. They took lots of pictures of it before and after they had it painted. There was a great picture my mom has of it out of the water when they were having the hull surveyed. It was done in a huge dry dock for ships. It looks so tiny in that huge empty box.
Oh, I forgot to mention it had huge fuel tanks and about a 5000 mile range, if I’m remembering right. My stepdad said they could go to Hawaii from Oregon.
@moonhat@shampshire Well, even though my stepdad is an outstanding boat pilot they rarely took it further than up the river. They did take a trip upriver from their home at Scappoose through some locks on the Columbia but those trips were few and far between. They eventually moved onto a houseboat with a closed in area for a 40-ish foot wood boat they bought. I hope whoever bought the Cruizero is taking care of it and using it. They really improved it when they owned it and it deserves to be run.
Worst climate I’ve experienced was Singapore. Stupid hot and smothering humidity. The evenings were nice when it cooled off if you were near the coast but the days were miserable. It’s no wonder they’ve taken to living underground.
Does low heat high humidity mean snow? If so then yes please! I may have screwed up and picked the wrong choice though thinking low heat meant like 70’s
it’s all relative i guess. how low of a temp and how high of a dew point are we talking?
i live in the boston area and the dew points get into the 70s during summer and it’s miserable (for me). even with the window a/cs in it’s still hot, sweaty (you just have to accept if you take a shower you’ll never truly dry off), gross.
i prefer temps in the 50s (30s-40s at night for optimum sleeping), dew point in the 40s, but maybe what’s low humidity here is still relatively…~moist~ to someone else. that said the winters don’t bother me either (except ice, i hate ice), cold i can do.
i will say for all my misery in the summer at least my skin looks nice. i mean, apart from being beet red from the heat of course but nice and hydrated and smooth. plus, summer means a brief window of delicious produce.
What I want is the seasons during their cyclical times. Not spring during the dead of winter and fall during the dead of summer. This past winter was terrible in terms of snow and temperature. No snow on the ground but still cant do much outside (like fixing the car) because it’s still cold.
With that being said, I don’t like humidity but I wasn’t a fan of high heat low humidity in Las Vegas. I would rather have 75-80 with low humidity.
For me its more of a open-and-shut case (low heat, high humidity) this summer than it typically is, given that I am still spending so much time at home.
When the temperature gets above 100 (pretty common occurrence here in July/August), the A/C has a hard time keeping pace. Humidity hovering near 70% (also a pretty regular phenomenon around here) can be stifling outdoors even if the temperature is only in the 80’s, but doesn’t really factor in that much when sitting on the couch.
Conversely, a lot of the fun things to do to beat the heat (water-parks, beach, etc.) aren’t available.
We here in New England don’t get a chance to even want something different, because everyday is something different. If the weather is the same for longer than a week it feels like forevah.
The first place I ever was that I crossed the street to walk in the shade and still had sweat dripping off my eye lashes was in Waco, TX in mid June at a carillon conference.
Where is the option for COLD and SNOW?!?!??!
@tinamarie1974 that’s low heat and high humidity lol
@tinamarie1974 Wouldn’t that be low heat (cold) and high humidity (snow)?
@ecanada extremely low heat…
@tinamarie1974
@tinamarie1974 That would have gotten my vote, too. I think me being ready for winter to end has only happened once.
@katbyter @ecanada I think it would be more appropriate to label snow as precipitation than humidity. I’m not really a person who knows these things, so this might be completely wrong, but… Cold air can hold less water (low absolute humidity?). This also means that a small amount of water in the air means higher relative humidity at cold temperatures than at hot temperatures, because the air is saturated sooner. I think snow (and rain) forms at high relative humidity (maybe 100%… Again, I don’t actually know this stuff), but that wouldn’t necessarily mean high relative humidity where I’m standing when the snow falls on me. It just had to be high up in the sky where the snowflakes formed. And snow doesn’t form at all in conditions where there is high absolute humidity because… Cold means low absolute humidity. So… Let’s just not call the snow humidity. It’s too confusing. (I wasn’t the only person I confused with that jumble of words… Right?)
@christinewas @ecanada @katbyter I agree. I don’t see winter cold (lets say 0 to 25 degrees) as low heat, I see it as the lack thereof
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@christinewas @katbyter @tinamarie1974 I believe part of the definition of cold IS the lack of heat (energy)
Humidity is a measure of the amount of water vapour being held in the air. Water vapour is a gas. Precipitation is when the gas turns to liquid or solid and forms rain, snow, hail, mist, fog, frost, dew etc. This happens when the air cools and relative humidity rises to 100% so the air cannot hold as much water vapour.
So in practice when peak humidity is reached at 100% (the most humid) it changes to precipitation. Is precipitation 100+ humidity then?
@christinewas @ecanada @katbyter right and since they didn’t say no heat/high humidity I added my own category.
BTW blaming @moonhat for this confusion
75 and slight breeze. Low humidity.
@katbyter
/giphy bliss
@f00l and Oreos. Perfect day!
That’s the day we had in Michigan yesterday. Including Oreos.
Today it is 90° and low 70’s overnight. Ugh. I no not live in Florida for a reason!
Humidity sucks
Cold and clear. Nothing better than mid winter, no ice or snow, the air so dry you can feel it in your lungs. Makes it tolerable to be outside.
@FoxSpectre Cold and near zero or below. The clear dark of night, and the sounds of snow crunching under your feet as you walk.
This thread will draw a stark contrast between those who have and those who have NOT experienced true humidity. Even the people I knew in the very, very dry central valley of California would recount their small handful of experiences in real humidity with the glassy-eyed, thousand-yard stare of someone suffering from very moist PTSD.
To borrow a phrase from political fanatics: There is no “other side”.
@dvermilion
Humidity can be acclimated to. Healthy humans are well-suited to this.
Ancient humans almost certainly preferred humid, warm climates, because survival was easier. Part of this advantage had to do with acquiring food, which is going to be more plentiful and available in humid, warm or tropical settings.
I would presume that some people who voted for the “low heat high humidity” option have lived extensively in (and therefore have experience of) truly tropical settings, where a 70-80%-humidity day could be notable for being a bit “dry”.
Florida, and also highly humid places further south, are still v popular year-round-living retirement localities, even among those who could just as easily afford a move to the southwestern desert areas.
Of course, A/C being commonplace indoors makes both the “Death Valley” and the “Everglades” type climates far easier to bear, esp when the calendar moves toward summer temps
@f00l I SAID THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE
@dvermilion
/giphy SURE!
@dvermilion @f00l I used to take adjudicated youth canoeing across the state of Florida. I found it takes about 3 weeks to acclimate. PROVIDED you resist the temptation to then turn the A/C to cold, etc. It also means, if you have acclimated, when you walk into any store there you practically need a winter coat because you then freeze.
No humidity. No heat. I want a vacuum at absolute zero. It makes physics far simpler to handle.
@simplersimon so we can exist among the anti-matter?
I am all for mild temps with low humidity. That’s why I moved to the Pacific Northwest.
@shampshire is this tongue in cheek I detect?
@shampshire Go back to where you came from outlander. Everyone knows it is non stop miserable drizzle and clouds all year here. Out of control fungus and rot and epidemic levels of vitamin D deficiency. Suicidal depression is rampant because outsiders come here and can’t cope with 12 months of gray and permanent raisin toes. Do yourself a favor and escape while you still have your sanity.
@tweezak nice try. It’s been 14 years. I’ve used that line of reasoning myself. Also, I would have a tough time getting the boat I live on back there.
Just waiting on that modified Phase 1 to kick in, so I can have a small happy hour on my deck.
@shampshire @tweezak WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE TOES
@shampshire The view from the sea is certainly incredibly beautiful up there. I once took a ferry from Seattle to Vancouver Island. It was an amazing ride. And not raining that day either.
@shampshire @tweezak I didn’t know we had a PNW liveaboard here… sail or power? what marina?
@moonhat @tweezak A late 60s diesel Tollycraft. She’s 50 feet long and nearly 17 feet wide. I have friends with less square footage in their houses. And close enough to my office that I usually walked (pre COVID).
@moonhat @shampshire @tweezak You in a lake, ocean bay, river…? Since you walk to your office I presume at a marina? Does it work to take trips in?
Please post photos of the interior! I have lived on schooners and brigantines, etc. and while most of the space was dedicated to passengers, the ingenious space saving creations on (some) boats amazed me. I miss the gentle rocking. Especially at night.
You have more square footage than I live in by lot.
/envy
@moonhat @shampshire My parents used to live aboard a 63’ steel hulled boat called the Cruizero Do Sul (Southern Cross). It was made in Rio de Janiero in the 50s. It had a 14 foot beam and drew 7.5’. It had twin Perkins diesels below decks in a space that was tall enough for a 6’1" person to stand up comfortably.
It was big enough it wouldn’t fit in a normal slip so it was moored on the end of the pier. Once in a while they’d be woken in the night when a large log floating down the river bonked into the side.
As they got older they grew tired of having to pack their groceries all the way from the parking lot and also packing out their garbage.
I always liked that boat. It had a lot of character. There was a stove in the main entertaining area and behind it was a really cool tile mosaic that was apparently done by a famous Brazilian artist.
@shampshire @tweezak that sounds like a wonderful boat. Do you have any pics of it? Did they sell it?
@moonhat @shampshire I could get pictures from my folks. They were able to keep the book with all the drawings and pictures of it being built. I remember a b&w pic of it in the bay at Rio with Sugarloaf Mountain in the background. They took lots of pictures of it before and after they had it painted. There was a great picture my mom has of it out of the water when they were having the hull surveyed. It was done in a huge dry dock for ships. It looks so tiny in that huge empty box.
Oh, I forgot to mention it had huge fuel tanks and about a 5000 mile range, if I’m remembering right. My stepdad said they could go to Hawaii from Oregon.
@shampshire @tweezak it sounds amazing!! I wish you still had it
@moonhat @shampshire Well, even though my stepdad is an outstanding boat pilot they rarely took it further than up the river. They did take a trip upriver from their home at Scappoose through some locks on the Columbia but those trips were few and far between. They eventually moved onto a houseboat with a closed in area for a 40-ish foot wood boat they bought. I hope whoever bought the Cruizero is taking care of it and using it. They really improved it when they owned it and it deserves to be run.
@shampshire @tweezak what was the name of their CDS?
I’m from Iowa. Give me humidity. I can’t breathe if it’s too dry.
Worst climate I’ve experienced was Singapore. Stupid hot and smothering humidity. The evenings were nice when it cooled off if you were near the coast but the days were miserable. It’s no wonder they’ve taken to living underground.
@tweezak The rainy season in Cambodia is pretty miserable too.
Low heat and low humidity = chill High heat and high humidity = hell.
I’d prefer to stay inside with the AC on.
Does low heat high humidity mean snow? If so then yes please! I may have screwed up and picked the wrong choice though thinking low heat meant like 70’s
Dew Point. The silent killer.
The only heat I like is the kind generated by curling up under the covers with the cats. Low heat and moderate humidity for me, please.
it’s all relative i guess. how low of a temp and how high of a dew point are we talking?
i live in the boston area and the dew points get into the 70s during summer and it’s miserable (for me). even with the window a/cs in it’s still hot, sweaty (you just have to accept if you take a shower you’ll never truly dry off), gross.
i prefer temps in the 50s (30s-40s at night for optimum sleeping), dew point in the 40s, but maybe what’s low humidity here is still relatively…~moist~ to someone else. that said the winters don’t bother me either (except ice, i hate ice), cold i can do.
i will say for all my misery in the summer at least my skin looks nice. i mean, apart from being beet red from the heat of course but nice and hydrated and smooth. plus, summer means a brief window of delicious produce.
What I want is the seasons during their cyclical times. Not spring during the dead of winter and fall during the dead of summer. This past winter was terrible in terms of snow and temperature. No snow on the ground but still cant do much outside (like fixing the car) because it’s still cold.
With that being said, I don’t like humidity but I wasn’t a fan of high heat low humidity in Las Vegas. I would rather have 75-80 with low humidity.
For me its more of a open-and-shut case (low heat, high humidity) this summer than it typically is, given that I am still spending so much time at home.
When the temperature gets above 100 (pretty common occurrence here in July/August), the A/C has a hard time keeping pace. Humidity hovering near 70% (also a pretty regular phenomenon around here) can be stifling outdoors even if the temperature is only in the 80’s, but doesn’t really factor in that much when sitting on the couch.
Conversely, a lot of the fun things to do to beat the heat (water-parks, beach, etc.) aren’t available.
We here in New England don’t get a chance to even want something different, because everyday is something different. If the weather is the same for longer than a week it feels like forevah.
@zinimusprime ditto Michigan. Low 70’s yesterday. 90° today. Ugh. But it won’t last. It never does.
It depends on what I am doing. If I am doing yardwork I’d rather high heat, low humidity.
If I am inside my house though, low heat, high humidity is preferred because that means cheaper electric bills.
“It ain’t the heat, it’s the stupidity.”
I look forward to the smothering Summer, wearing a mask in public, with dread.
The first place I ever was that I crossed the street to walk in the shade and still had sweat dripping off my eye lashes was in Waco, TX in mid June at a carillon conference.
The problem is neither heat nor humidity. The problem is that bitch, Carole Baskin