@ASpeirs21 exactly. I consider my current ride a "nice car", but someone else may call it a piece of crap. all I can say is it has all the power and gizmos. i could want, and i got it 5 years old, with 70k mi, for around $10,000(roughly 1/3 the original price). mom has basically the same car, bought. hers 3yrs old, w/ 35k mi for around $17,000(roughly 1/2 original price)
@2many2no RIght and driven by a little old lady just to church and back - um yeah with 187,000+ mile. Some church commute. LOL (seriously I was told that about a week or so ago)
@Kidsandliz you just reminded me of a minor "Oh HELL NO!!" Moment after i bought this car. (2009 Mercury Sable)when I signed on the Dotted Line, it had 69,997miles. 2 weeks later, when i get the memorandum title in the mail, it says 699,970. I go straight back to the dealership, point out the obvious problem, and they get it straigtened out.( I'm honestly Suprised no one @ the bank noticed it when they got the title. I know i shure as heck wouldn't loan someone money for a car with 700k mi on it... )
I'm driving a 90 Dynasty AKA The "Nasty". It cost $50. I bought it 7 years ago when a car dealer had a contest. If they drew my name, I had the right to buy it for $50. I put new struts and front brakes and other minor things but it's been a "nice car".
I haven't bought a car in over 7 years, I did the math and with all our company Hertz points, it is cheaper for me to rent by the month, turn it in, and drive away in a different / newer car every 30 days. No monthly car payment, no maintenance costs, preference change whenever I want (different car at my whim) and many months during the year we have enough points banked up that I don't pay a dime to Hertz. Gas and go. Hertz even picks up the insurance for free as a President's Circle business class perk. My wife drives a used Range Rover that they dropped off for a shoot years ago and never picked back up . . . drove it with a dealer tag on it for a long time (friend of a friend owns a used car lot), then they finally sent the title when we didn't send it back and we registered it.
It really all depends. A loaded VW Golf Sportwagen TDI is about $35k. If we're talking sports cars, a Porsche Caymen will run $80k to start. A Tesla Model S with the big battery is also going to run about $80k. Those are "nice" cars. I drive a 2005 350z that I bought new for about $40k. The equivalent in 2015 is about $55k. But mostly I drive around in a 1996 Nissan pickup that's worth about $2k. Going to sell it and get a used 2010/12 f150 in a few months.
@ThatsHeadly wow I haven't checked prices recently but my 2009 Jetta Sportwagen TDI was only 28k new (not fully loaded but that was only around 30k)...guess I haven't paid attention to inflation recently
@Odi Well, new they way you'd want it. YOu can get them for $29, but there are options you'd want that drive the price up. I'm planing on getting a 2016 one that has car play.
@ThatsHeadly I left out the leather seats and gps unit, but that was mostly because it was in short supply and I bought the first one I found without a markup. My kids love the pano moonroof and my wife loves the heated front seats. Of course my dream car is now the family car and I drive my wife's dream car, a 2006 Beetle TDI
@narfcake That's what I think too. I've yet to get a car with a sticker price over $13k, but I've considered them nice enough for the most part. My $13k car managed to get me 82k miles and about 6 years. My current $7k car has gotten me 70k miles so far and 5 years. I'm hoping to keep it going for another 3-4 so I can afford a $15k car. If you're talking about my ideal car, it'd be a refurbished tesla at $40kish, when they start selling those.
I have two teenagers. I have talked to many parents whose cars were totaled. The last two cars we bought were a $3,000 2000 Honda Civic and a $1,000 2001 Saturn. They are nice cars in that it won't hurt so much if they get destroyed before my children start buying their own cars.
@hamjudo Used to live in Peachtree City, GA. Crazy ass Stepford, Pleasantville, white bread as all get out place. I don't know shit about women's clothes, but all the dudes wore RL Polo shirts, Dockers, and bass weeguns. And all had the same haircut.
Everyone was either a retired Delta or Eastern pilot, or retired Army double dipping at Ft McPherson. Or a baptist preacher ... in Georgia, those guys all pull in $300k a year, minimum
Anyway, bunch of rich old people, and they all bought their kids ridiculous cars for their 16th, which they all promptly totaled. Saturday mornings after a high school football game were the worst. You'd drive around town, and there are Z1s and whatnot in every median.
I think I read that Lebron James signed his NBA contract the same week Roger Clemons' kid turned 16, and both got HUMMERS, and both backed into someone in a parking lot the first week they got the keys.
Kids shouldn't drive until they're 25. And if they're going to drive at 16, get them a Soobie Forester. Something with no blind spots, balanced engine.
@crapstick The BBC are out of their minds. I'd let Jeremy Clarkson use my sister as his regular punching bag if it would keep him cranking out more episodes of Top Gear. What are they thinking? Perhaps the producers of the lame US version of the show will ditch their pathetic cast and move Clarkson, Hammond and May stateside.
For a new car, it's hard to purchase a vehicle that has a comfortable ride, decent sound reduction, and a well featured electronic environment/entertainment/safety suite for less than $20,000. On the other hand, a decently optioned version of standard vehicles that gives those features can be had for $30,000-40,000.
For luxury brands, cars in the $40,000 range tend to be a bit lacking in finish. Sometimes more than the optioned economy alternatives. Since certain luxury brand models share a similar vehicle underpinning with an economy brand model, it can come down to how important conspicuous consumption is to you.
I recently purchased a '13 Jetta TDi premium w/ nav for around $17k (similar to this one). For the price, it's a nice car. I got every feature I wanted and it does 40+mpg. The next step up for me would be a Mercedes, which is luxury class.
I don't even know what the new market is…need to shut my eyes and walk on by. My 25 year old grand caravan died recently (at around 208,000 miles, engine bearings gave out, a mechanic asked me not so long ago if I was rebulding my engine one part at a time and I said, "It kind of looks that way doesn't it?".). Anyway decent cars cost way more than I have, even used. I've been looking at used Honda Elements as a compromise between space and cost (given a choice I'd buy a Pilot or Highlander or a Honda or Toyota minivan but I am priced out of both completely). Used 2010-11 Elements (last made 2011) are $18-21,000 which is way too rich for me. Used 2003-4 are $6500-9000 which is also too rich for me. Hoping to find one that has been in the big hail storm we had late last year so that looking like a golf ball will drive the price down. What is in my price range of around $2-3000 that I have found so far have all failed the mechanic check with very expensive things that will need fixed.
@Kidsandliz Many times, a vehicle is significantly cheaper because it needs that much more work to bring it up to par. My boss wants to sell her '95 Explorer; $1200 because the A/C is out. It only has 80k miles.
@narfcake Yes that is what I am discovering. Don't know what I am going to do… I just plain and simply don't have the money and my income is low enough that car loans, except at loan shark rates are out (despite decent credit). Gotta pay for health insurance (no medicaid expansion in this state ) first due to stupid cancer crap.
My Ford Fusion Hybrid was bought 6 months ago for 34K sticker (paid less with discounts and stuff) So does that mean i just missed out on buying a nice car?
My little 2013 Dodge Dart was sticker priced at a little over $24k. It is loaded with everything from heated steering wheel to remote start to 8 inch touch screen. It has almost every option available. A lot of the amenities we would have never dreamed of ordering, but it was the only turbo on the lot. And hubby ain't driving no little car, but the "turbo" convinced him. Who needs a heated steering wheel and seats in Florida?
@Kyser_Soze RIght. And they want to ship it to you via ebay shipping, please send bank wire. I have a very lovely 1990 mini van you can buy for $500. Runs as long as the engine is cold. Then no oil pressure after that. I promise you won't mind the headliner on your head as I will include the spray glue I keep having to use as the foam under it is turning into dust.
@Kidsandliz I think this is real, but the "book value" for a 2000 MR2 is 5K, so 2.5K over book is the asking price. I'm thinking of calling, I'll report back if I do.
nice is relative. I like a new ride every so often, with creature comforts, so $40K is about right. By the same token, my 19 year old needs a new car, and I can't swing a new one for her (we're getting her off lease with a Hyundai), and our target is $13,500 for a later model with low (under 40k) miles. With that criteria, we have found several "nice" cars for her. And then there are those who don't mind a car like the one above, that has 88K miles. With proper care, a car can get twice that, or more. My neighbor has a Ford pickup (2003) with 228K miles... Nice, but limping at this point (hell, for a Ford, it should be decomposing by now!)
@andrewkl My work had a F250 which was sold with 720k miles. The miracle story was the rattle can of an Aerostar cargo van ... not only did that make it past 250k miles, but our shop guy managed to sell it above KBB value!
@narfcake I'm definitely a Ford fan (though the only one I've owned was a Mustang), and I truly believe they build great trucks. Thanks for a little more proof!
I think $20k gets you 'Nice' while $30k gets you 'Really Nice.' When you hit $40 you've moved into luxury range. I plan on trading my '08 Tribeca in the next few months and have all but settled on a Mazda CX-5. While the base model starts just under $22k, I'm planning on the top of the line Grand Touring with all the bells and whistles. With the options I want it tops out MSRP around $34,500. I spend a LOT of time in my car and I appreciate all the extra safety and entertainment features. In comparison to a lot of other SUV/CUV's, it offers a lot for the price but I still find it absolutely crazy that $30k+ has become perfectly normal for a car. I have friends who insist they'll never buy new again and I totally appreciate their reasoning, but there's just something to be said for being the owner of a brand new car. I'm just not looking forward to having a car payment again...
@cinoclav I would tack on 10k across the board, but maybe different with Trucks. I could have gotten a 30k base model mine was a pinch over 40k, and the decked out model was around 50k. Granted I paid quite a bit less but going by sticker prices at least.
@Nikodemus I'm even more shocked by the price of trucks these days. The cheapest F-150 starts at $25,800. That's out of reach for many who would need a truck for farming/construction/etc. Btw, I too was listing sticker prices, though I found the CX-5 doesn't have an outrageous markup. The sticker is $34,480 while invoice is $33,112. I've never paid more than invoice on a car and I'm not going to start now.
I drive beyond my means. These days I keep a 911 Carrera 4S and a Cayenne as my everyday rides; and a 944 as my track car.
I bought my lady an M5 which she hates, so I occasionally take it for a drive. She loves her VW GTI.
I don't care so much about the look or "prestige" of any vehicle, but I am obcessed with performance, handling and the subjective experience of driving - and I am willing to over pay for it.
The 944 was by far my favorite car (my everyday ride in the late 80s and early 90s). It was underpowered but it went where I thought it to go. The driver and the car were one.
These days I have to spend far too much for the driving experience that I am used to, but in the words of that crazed Scientologist - Porsche: There is no substitute.
I think a "nice" car can be easily found for around $10k. The last car I bought was a decked out all leather Honda Odyssey with fairly low miles for $8k. The last owner kept it in great condition. I think it's nice, and my kids love it. Also, I've paid cash for my last few cars and don't plan on ever having a car payment again in my life.
I voted based on "nice" meaning new, above standard features, or a use late model really nice car. My current ride is an '02 Volvo S40, still under 100k miles. Runs like a champ, pretty good fuel economy, turbo, new stereo, seat warmers. I'd love some of the updated features in new cars, but I really love low insurance rates and no car payments.
@Thumperchick I own/owned several Volvos ... none of my cars ever had less than 100k miles. The closest was a '88 Volvo 760 with 102k miles ... that I sold at 103k miles after the A/C compressor siezed. Made over $400 reselling it too. :) My weekend wagon (a unicorn - turbo, RWD, stick shift, and a station wagon) has over 280+k miles. First major mechanical work was the clutch at 249k miles. I was sooooo hoping to make it to a quarter million, but no, the clutch fork had to crack just before! Grrrr!
I have no idea why, but cars are just the absolute least interesting thing in the world to me
You can get a "very nice" used car for 20k.
Are all the voters voting on new car prices, that would change my answer.
@ASpeirs21 exactly. I consider my current ride a "nice car", but someone else may call it a piece of crap. all I can say is it has all the power and gizmos. i could want, and i got it 5 years old, with 70k mi, for around $10,000(roughly 1/3 the original price). mom has basically the same car, bought. hers 3yrs old, w/ 35k mi for around $17,000(roughly 1/2 original price)
@ASpeirs21 When I look at used cars, the salesman always says it's "very nice."
@2many2no RIght and driven by a little old lady just to church and back - um yeah with 187,000+ mile. Some church commute. LOL (seriously I was told that about a week or so ago)
@Kidsandliz you just reminded me of a minor "Oh HELL NO!!" Moment after i bought this car. (2009 Mercury Sable)when I signed on the Dotted Line, it had 69,997miles. 2 weeks later, when i get the memorandum title in the mail, it says 699,970. I go straight back to the dealership, point out the obvious problem, and they get it straigtened out.( I'm honestly Suprised no one @ the bank noticed it when they got the title. I know i shure as heck wouldn't loan someone money for a car with 700k mi on it... )
After $40,000 (assuming the poll's based on a new car), you're approaching "looking to burn money"/'mid-life crisis' territory.
I'm driving a 90 Dynasty AKA The "Nasty". It cost $50. I bought it 7 years ago when a car dealer had a contest. If they drew my name, I had the right to buy it for $50. I put new struts and front brakes and other minor things but it's been a "nice car".
@Kyser_Soze We used to have a Dynasty that was referred to as D-Nasty. Ugly as soon but ran like a dream.
I haven't bought a car in over 7 years, I did the math and with all our company Hertz points, it is cheaper for me to rent by the month, turn it in, and drive away in a different / newer car every 30 days. No monthly car payment, no maintenance costs, preference change whenever I want (different car at my whim) and many months during the year we have enough points banked up that I don't pay a dime to Hertz. Gas and go. Hertz even picks up the insurance for free as a President's Circle business class perk. My wife drives a used Range Rover that they dropped off for a shoot years ago and never picked back up . . . drove it with a dealer tag on it for a long time (friend of a friend owns a used car lot), then they finally sent the title when we didn't send it back and we registered it.
About half a year's pay.
It really all depends. A loaded VW Golf Sportwagen TDI is about $35k. If we're talking sports cars, a Porsche Caymen will run $80k to start. A Tesla Model S with the big battery is also going to run about $80k. Those are "nice" cars. I drive a 2005 350z that I bought new for about $40k. The equivalent in 2015 is about $55k. But mostly I drive around in a 1996 Nissan pickup that's worth about $2k. Going to sell it and get a used 2010/12 f150 in a few months.
How can you argue with this?
@ThatsHeadly wow I haven't checked prices recently but my 2009 Jetta Sportwagen TDI was only 28k new (not fully loaded but that was only around 30k)...guess I haven't paid attention to inflation recently
@Odi Well, new they way you'd want it. YOu can get them for $29, but there are options you'd want that drive the price up. I'm planing on getting a 2016 one that has car play.
@ThatsHeadly I left out the leather seats and gps unit, but that was mostly because it was in short supply and I bought the first one I found without a markup. My kids love the pano moonroof and my wife loves the heated front seats. Of course my dream car is now the family car and I drive my wife's dream car, a 2006 Beetle TDI
Need to replace my 17 year old Dodge pickup next spring. A loaded new 3/4 ton pickup runs close to $50k. My first house was only $29,000.
@Steve7654 Yikes - although you might feel better if you see what your first house would be selling for now.
Nice car as defined by others? At least 40k. Nice car as defined by me? One that looks and runs good.
@narfcake That's what I think too. I've yet to get a car with a sticker price over $13k, but I've considered them nice enough for the most part. My $13k car managed to get me 82k miles and about 6 years. My current $7k car has gotten me 70k miles so far and 5 years. I'm hoping to keep it going for another 3-4 so I can afford a $15k car. If you're talking about my ideal car, it'd be a refurbished tesla at $40kish, when they start selling those.
Myself, any car that runs and will get me from A to B. That is easily purchasable for $10k and quite possibly even less.
Cost to buy? Or cost to make... cause a "nice" car prob costs around $5k to make ;)
I have two teenagers. I have talked to many parents whose cars were totaled. The last two cars we bought were a $3,000 2000 Honda Civic and a $1,000 2001 Saturn. They are nice cars in that it won't hurt so much if they get destroyed before my children start buying their own cars.
@hamjudo Used to live in Peachtree City, GA. Crazy ass Stepford, Pleasantville, white bread as all get out place. I don't know shit about women's clothes, but all the dudes wore RL Polo shirts, Dockers, and bass weeguns. And all had the same haircut.
Everyone was either a retired Delta or Eastern pilot, or retired Army double dipping at Ft McPherson. Or a baptist preacher ... in Georgia, those guys all pull in $300k a year, minimum
Anyway, bunch of rich old people, and they all bought their kids ridiculous cars for their 16th, which they all promptly totaled. Saturday mornings after a high school football game were the worst. You'd drive around town, and there are Z1s and whatnot in every median.
I think I read that Lebron James signed his NBA contract the same week Roger Clemons' kid turned 16, and both got HUMMERS, and both backed into someone in a parking lot the first week they got the keys.
Kids shouldn't drive until they're 25. And if they're going to drive at 16, get them a Soobie Forester. Something with no blind spots, balanced engine.
A nice car is about 40k. A luxury car is double that, and anything on Top Gear is double again.
@mcanavino A Morris Marina is NOT worth 160k!
@mcanavino R.I.P. Top Gear :(
@mcanavino Dacia Sanderos are cheap!!
@crapstick The BBC are out of their minds. I'd let Jeremy Clarkson use my sister as his regular punching bag if it would keep him cranking out more episodes of Top Gear. What are they thinking? Perhaps the producers of the lame US version of the show will ditch their pathetic cast and move Clarkson, Hammond and May stateside.
@eyewerks Damn those principles.
My $42k car I thought was a nice car...until it was stolen last weekend :( Guess they thought it was nice too...
@SkyyPunk I keep hoping someone will steal my $50 Dynasty (see above).
@SkyyPunk I hope your insurance company is Liberty Mutual.
@SkyyPunk Well that sucks big time!!
a nice car is a car i dont have to pay for
@tentalces1349 LOL - I only wish - been looking for one now and can't find anything that is likely to run more than two days in my price range.
I drive a Smart. It's nice enough. Good gas mileage, easy to park, crazy small turn ratio and less than $20,000 new (5 years ago).
For a new car, it's hard to purchase a vehicle that has a comfortable ride, decent sound reduction, and a well featured electronic environment/entertainment/safety suite for less than $20,000. On the other hand, a decently optioned version of standard vehicles that gives those features can be had for $30,000-40,000.
For luxury brands, cars in the $40,000 range tend to be a bit lacking in finish. Sometimes more than the optioned economy alternatives. Since certain luxury brand models share a similar vehicle underpinning with an economy brand model, it can come down to how important conspicuous consumption is to you.
I recently purchased a '13 Jetta TDi premium w/ nav for around $17k (similar to this one). For the price, it's a nice car. I got every feature I wanted and it does 40+mpg.
The next step up for me would be a Mercedes, which is luxury class.
I don't even know what the new market is…need to shut my eyes and walk on by. My 25 year old grand caravan died recently (at around 208,000 miles, engine bearings gave out, a mechanic asked me not so long ago if I was rebulding my engine one part at a time and I said, "It kind of looks that way doesn't it?".). Anyway decent cars cost way more than I have, even used. I've been looking at used Honda Elements as a compromise between space and cost (given a choice I'd buy a Pilot or Highlander or a Honda or Toyota minivan but I am priced out of both completely). Used 2010-11 Elements (last made 2011) are $18-21,000 which is way too rich for me. Used 2003-4 are $6500-9000 which is also too rich for me. Hoping to find one that has been in the big hail storm we had late last year so that looking like a golf ball will drive the price down. What is in my price range of around $2-3000 that I have found so far have all failed the mechanic check with very expensive things that will need fixed.
@Kidsandliz Many times, a vehicle is significantly cheaper because it needs that much more work to bring it up to par. My boss wants to sell her '95 Explorer; $1200 because the A/C is out. It only has 80k miles.
@narfcake Yes that is what I am discovering. Don't know what I am going to do… I just plain and simply don't have the money and my income is low enough that car loans, except at loan shark rates are out (despite decent credit). Gotta pay for health insurance (no medicaid expansion in this state ) first due to stupid cancer crap.
My Ford Fusion Hybrid was bought 6 months ago for 34K sticker (paid less with discounts and stuff) So does that mean i just missed out on buying a nice car?
My little 2013 Dodge Dart was sticker priced at a little over $24k. It is loaded with everything from heated steering wheel to remote start to 8 inch touch screen. It has almost every option available. A lot of the amenities we would have never dreamed of ordering, but it was the only turbo on the lot. And hubby ain't driving no little car, but the "turbo" convinced him.
Who needs a heated steering wheel and seats in Florida?
@Teripie for when it gets below 80°
@Teripie When you drive to northern MN for the winter?
For sale in my area for $7500. 88K miles, it looks like a nice car to me!
@Kyser_Soze RIght. And they want to ship it to you via ebay shipping, please send bank wire. I have a very lovely 1990 mini van you can buy for $500. Runs as long as the engine is cold. Then no oil pressure after that. I promise you won't mind the headliner on your head as I will include the spray glue I keep having to use as the foam under it is turning into dust.
@Kidsandliz I think this is real, but the "book value" for a 2000 MR2 is 5K, so 2.5K over book is the asking price. I'm thinking of calling, I'll report back if I do.
I wanted to click $30K, but it wasn't an option. I love my car: a fully loaded Ford Escape. It has mood lighting!
nice is relative. I like a new ride every so often, with creature comforts, so $40K is about right. By the same token, my 19 year old needs a new car, and I can't swing a new one for her (we're getting her off lease with a Hyundai), and our target is $13,500 for a later model with low (under 40k) miles. With that criteria, we have found several "nice" cars for her. And then there are those who don't mind a car like the one above, that has 88K miles. With proper care, a car can get twice that, or more. My neighbor has a Ford pickup (2003) with 228K miles... Nice, but limping at this point (hell, for a Ford, it should be decomposing by now!)
@andrewkl My work had a F250 which was sold with 720k miles. The miracle story was the rattle can of an Aerostar cargo van ... not only did that make it past 250k miles, but our shop guy managed to sell it above KBB value!
@narfcake I'm definitely a Ford fan (though the only one I've owned was a Mustang), and I truly believe they build great trucks. Thanks for a little more proof!
I think $20k gets you 'Nice' while $30k gets you 'Really Nice.' When you hit $40 you've moved into luxury range. I plan on trading my '08 Tribeca in the next few months and have all but settled on a Mazda CX-5. While the base model starts just under $22k, I'm planning on the top of the line Grand Touring with all the bells and whistles. With the options I want it tops out MSRP around $34,500. I spend a LOT of time in my car and I appreciate all the extra safety and entertainment features. In comparison to a lot of other SUV/CUV's, it offers a lot for the price but I still find it absolutely crazy that $30k+ has become perfectly normal for a car. I have friends who insist they'll never buy new again and I totally appreciate their reasoning, but there's just something to be said for being the owner of a brand new car. I'm just not looking forward to having a car payment again...
@cinoclav I would tack on 10k across the board, but maybe different with Trucks. I could have gotten a 30k base model mine was a pinch over 40k, and the decked out model was around 50k. Granted I paid quite a bit less but going by sticker prices at least.
@Nikodemus I'm even more shocked by the price of trucks these days. The cheapest F-150 starts at $25,800. That's out of reach for many who would need a truck for farming/construction/etc. Btw, I too was listing sticker prices, though I found the CX-5 doesn't have an outrageous markup. The sticker is $34,480 while invoice is $33,112. I've never paid more than invoice on a car and I'm not going to start now.
I drive beyond my means. These days I keep a 911 Carrera 4S and a Cayenne as my everyday rides; and a 944 as my track car.
I bought my lady an M5 which she hates, so I occasionally take it for a drive. She loves her VW GTI.
I don't care so much about the look or "prestige" of any vehicle, but I am obcessed with performance, handling and the subjective experience of driving - and I am willing to over pay for it.
The 944 was by far my favorite car (my everyday ride in the late 80s and early 90s). It was underpowered but it went where I thought it to go. The driver and the car were one.
These days I have to spend far too much for the driving experience that I am used to, but in the words of that crazed Scientologist - Porsche: There is no substitute.
Put me down for the $100K level.
I think a "nice" car can be easily found for around $10k. The last car I bought was a decked out all leather Honda Odyssey with fairly low miles for $8k. The last owner kept it in great condition. I think it's nice, and my kids love it. Also, I've paid cash for my last few cars and don't plan on ever having a car payment again in my life.
I voted based on "nice" meaning new, above standard features, or a use late model really nice car.
My current ride is an '02 Volvo S40, still under 100k miles. Runs like a champ, pretty good fuel economy, turbo, new stereo, seat warmers. I'd love some of the updated features in new cars, but I really love low insurance rates and no car payments.
@Thumperchick I own/owned several Volvos ... none of my cars ever had less than 100k miles. The closest was a '88 Volvo 760 with 102k miles ... that I sold at 103k miles after the A/C compressor siezed. Made over $400 reselling it too. :) My weekend wagon (a unicorn - turbo, RWD, stick shift, and a station wagon) has over 280+k miles. First major mechanical work was the clutch at 249k miles. I was sooooo hoping to make it to a quarter million, but no, the clutch fork had to crack just before! Grrrr!