@yakkoTDI, I got my Indoor Grill & Griddle delivered very quickly, like in 4-5 days & was soooo shocked because for meh, that’s awesome. Now, my biggest problem is that I have yet to open the box it came in!! Maybe it’s d shock & awe, maybe I procrastinate too much, or maybe I’m just a lazy old man, but I Can’t Get Cooking!!
@mcemanuel it’s less than the $187.58 price, but I also checked Amazon’s price & it shows the $119.98 price, so I have yet to find where meh dug up the higher price. The ‘$–.58’ looked suspicious, ergo, Made Freaking Up!! I have a better reason for not buying it though,…I Don’t Want The Darn Thing!
@awk Reminds me of a recent episode of Planet Money where they told the story of a former-Soviet factory that made bronze ovens and sold them to Germany, who melted them down because it was the cheapest way to get bronze.
We bought one of the bronze-age Kalorik air fryers last year; the one with the clockwork timer and the thermostat knob, and no digital anything. It works reasonably well, and does not require remembering how to decode helpy buttons labelled with things like “pastry” or “corn dog” or “french fries” or “FedEx driver’s kidney”. I wish it had the rotisserie, but I’m pretty sure I don’t actually want a digital control panel, so this one’s getting a pass - and we’ll stick with the Luddite-pleaser one we’ve got.
@ivannabc@stolicat When I bought this 1959-vintage house, there was wiring for a dishwasher and a waste disposal, with wall switches to control them, on their own circuit, but neither had ever been installed. But all of the rest of the outlets in the kitchen were on one 20A breaker. They still are.
Anyone had any experience with frying fish in these things? All the ads and stuff I see has chickens and kabobs and french fries, etc, never any mention of fried fish. I might consider it and even figure out a way to upgrade the kitchen wiring if I knew I could produce some nice breaded and “fried” cod for fish & chips.
@stolicat They work well for finishing pieces that were previously fried far enough for the batter to set, but unless you want to use a crumb shell, fresh batter will simply end up fried to the mesh and impossiblr to keep on the fish. That said, battered and lightly fried pieces can be frozen and then finished later in one of these with excellent results.
@werehatrack Thanks - although that seems to defeat the purpose of having a little box on the counter that handles all the cooking for you. I assume that would also apply to any batter-coated fry stuff.
@stolicat Yeah, tempura in general needs to be pre-fried to render it sealed before it goes into an air fryer. Some adventurous people throw battered stuff in the fridge to get it pre-hardened, heat up the fryer, and then lay the battered stuff carefully in the basket with a silicone sheet under it - with VERY mixed or uncertain results. OTOH, prefab battered cod from the grocery freezer case work pretty well, although you have to be really careful flipping them over. The ones from Sam’s are decent. Not stellar, and not the equal of the third-worst chip shop in Glasgow, but not terrible.
I wonder if these units are from a batch with bad door latches. From an Amazon review:
Four times in the fifteen minutes of cooking, the front door popped
open. Each time it did so, the oven lost heat, the rotisserie motor
stopped spinning, and the proper cooking of the food was interrupted.
I contacted the manufacturer (a company called Ming’s Mark markets the
brand name GoWise USA) to ask what could be done to fix the problem…
. . . A few days later, the replacement oven arrived. Before I packed
up the bad unit and sent it off, I compared the latches and could tell
right away that the latch in the new unit was much stronger than the
one in the unit I originally received. This should easily keep the
door closed under greater amounts of vibration, though I haven’t yet
had the opportunity to try it out.
@Kaser If they had enough reviews like that, these might be the stock of the later version that their wholesale accounts didn’t buy because of an unacceptable return rate for the model.
@Kaser Hmmm. The manufacturer’s manual lists Morningsave as an official Dealer. Most of the one-star Amazon reviews that mention the door latch are from 2019 or 2020, so perhaps that part has been improved, but there are loads of reports of problems with a number of things; rotisserie drive failure, uneven temp distribution, impossible-to-clean mesh basket (fried food grease congealed and baked in place), strong smell of frying in operation even after multiple attempts to clean the basket, etc.
Overall, I’ll stick with my uncomplicated, smaller Kalorik.
With other air fryers, half way during the cook I pull out the basket and give it a good shake so the food cooks evenly. Is that possible with design, or is that kind of a design flaw? Or do you shake the whole damn machine?
@Revtim The door can be opened during the cycle; the rotisserie will stop rotating and the heating element will power down while the door is open, and the whole unit will shut down if you keep the door open for 6 minutes or longer. You should have no problem pulling the basket out and stirring, flipping or shaking the contents as long as you do it in six minutes or less.
Air fryers are amazing. If you don’t have one, get one. Not saying this one! But get something. I will never cook salmon in anything else ever again. For real. Perfect every time. And chicken wings too.
@ChrisW Convection ovens typically have a fully enclosed heating element, and the food is heated solely by contact with the circulating currents of hot air. Some may have an exposed element, but the big thin is that they’re larger.
The air fryers I’ve used have an exposed heating element with a fan to move hot air around within the cavity as well. Some air fryers might be just tiny convention ovens, but I haven’t seen any.
@ChrisW Expanding: Convection ovens are bigger, mostly, and some of them have an enclosed heating element. Air fryers are smaller, and mostly have an exposed heating element. So yeah, it’s mostly a matter of size. (The only convention oven I ever used had an enclosed element.)
I recall hearing my parents disparage built-in rotisseries in home ovens as being a frill that generally broke as soon as you tried to use it. From the Amazon reviews, it appears that sometimes this model has issues in that area as well.
@wstull1 Unless it’s too big to fit through the door, of course you can! But should you? The answer to this question is not so easily supplied. So we shall consult the ultimate authority…
/8ball Should wstull1 put his candy corn in this air fryer? Ask again later
Specs
Product: GoWise USA 12.7 Quart Deluxe Air Fryer Oven
Model: GW44800, GW44801, GW44802
Condition: New
Details
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$119.99-$187.58 on Amazon
Warranty
1 Year GoWise
Estimated Delivery
Thursday, Aug 4 - Monday, Aug 8
Let’s get cooking!
@yakkoTDI, I got my Indoor Grill & Griddle delivered very quickly, like in 4-5 days & was soooo shocked because for meh, that’s awesome. Now, my biggest problem is that I have yet to open the box it came in!! Maybe it’s d shock & awe, maybe I procrastinate too much, or maybe I’m just a lazy old man, but I Can’t Get Cooking!!
PANS! GLANDS! CRAYONS! AWESOME!
If it ain’t half price, I ain’t buying!
@mcemanuel it’s less than the $187.58 price, but I also checked Amazon’s price & it shows the $119.98 price, so I have yet to find where meh dug up the higher price. The ‘$–.58’ looked suspicious, ergo, Made Freaking Up!! I have a better reason for not buying it though,…I Don’t Want The Darn Thing!
OH MY GOD THEY CHOPPED UP AND ROASTED GLEN!!!
@shahnm But he went so well with the fava beans and chianti.
@shahnm @yakkoTDI A bit stringy, though.
@shahnm @werehatrack @yakkoTDI tasted to me like an old sock …
@stolicat @werehatrack @yakkoTDI I… wouldn’t know what that tastes like…
@shahnm, does he taste like chicken?
Now we cookin’ with gas!
@mcemanuel I thought gas was what you got after cooking.
@mcemanuel I’m waiting for the next generation plasma frier.
@brubro @mcemanuel I will stick with lasers.
Not real fond of fried air. Pretty tasteless and had a tendency to float off the plate. I’ll pass.
@brubro You beat me to it.
@brubro
You don’t fancy a light meal?
This is an oven to bake air fryers in? Must be surplus industrial equipment.
@awk This only does the smaller, personal-sized air fryers. But if you’re careful, it can also do food.
@awk Reminds me of a recent episode of Planet Money where they told the story of a former-Soviet factory that made bronze ovens and sold them to Germany, who melted them down because it was the cheapest way to get bronze.
Jon Arbuckle is so proud
Of In The Cold Food Of Out Hot Eat The Food
@thechinglish Sounds more like someone had a huge excess of blood in their caffeine stream that morning.
It makes more sense when it gets line breaks…
Of In The Cold Food
Of Out Hot
Eat The Food
@werehatrack Not a lot, though.
Air fryers? Like imaginary chickens? How do you play a chicken, anyway?
@werehatrack I just wing it.
Made in China? Assembled in Canada?
Air-fryer margaritas are awful.
Cooking with my family is heating precooked meals in the microwave. Yes, we have devolved that far.
We bought one of the bronze-age Kalorik air fryers last year; the one with the clockwork timer and the thermostat knob, and no digital anything. It works reasonably well, and does not require remembering how to decode helpy buttons labelled with things like “pastry” or “corn dog” or “french fries” or “FedEx driver’s kidney”. I wish it had the rotisserie, but I’m pretty sure I don’t actually want a digital control panel, so this one’s getting a pass - and we’ll stick with the Luddite-pleaser one we’ve got.
Manual here: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0951/0284/files/GW44800-O-01-02-O_user-manual_new_layout__12-17-19.pdf?4314
1600W (buried in the “Safety Information” pamphlet on the Amazon page), again, too much for my kitchen’s fragile ancient wiring.
@stolicat thank you for digging for this so my lazy ass doesn’t have to
@stolicat yep every time I run my dishwasher and microwave at the same time, I lose power. I keep meaning to deal with it but I’m too lazy
@ivannabc @stolicat When I bought this 1959-vintage house, there was wiring for a dishwasher and a waste disposal, with wall switches to control them, on their own circuit, but neither had ever been installed. But all of the rest of the outlets in the kitchen were on one 20A breaker. They still are.
Anyone had any experience with frying fish in these things? All the ads and stuff I see has chickens and kabobs and french fries, etc, never any mention of fried fish. I might consider it and even figure out a way to upgrade the kitchen wiring if I knew I could produce some nice breaded and “fried” cod for fish & chips.
@stolicat They work well for finishing pieces that were previously fried far enough for the batter to set, but unless you want to use a crumb shell, fresh batter will simply end up fried to the mesh and impossiblr to keep on the fish. That said, battered and lightly fried pieces can be frozen and then finished later in one of these with excellent results.
@werehatrack Thanks - although that seems to defeat the purpose of having a little box on the counter that handles all the cooking for you. I assume that would also apply to any batter-coated fry stuff.
@stolicat Yeah, tempura in general needs to be pre-fried to render it sealed before it goes into an air fryer. Some adventurous people throw battered stuff in the fridge to get it pre-hardened, heat up the fryer, and then lay the battered stuff carefully in the basket with a silicone sheet under it - with VERY mixed or uncertain results. OTOH, prefab battered cod from the grocery freezer case work pretty well, although you have to be really careful flipping them over. The ones from Sam’s are decent. Not stellar, and not the equal of the third-worst chip shop in Glasgow, but not terrible.
I like the rotisserie feature - and I like the fact that it comes in red!
But I ALREADY don’t have enough counter space!
All I can think about it how much of a mess that rotisserie will make in the oven.
@chryso there’s a drip pan. I almost exclusively cook my chicken in one now it works really well.
@chryso Cornish hens are perfect in air fryers this size.
I am super unimpressed with the product number. Not even funny. I like funny, like B1GFKN0V3N
@giveittome Yeah, they seem to have left that out today. Yours is good, or FRY-FRY-R3V0LUT10N would work, too.
I wonder if these units are from a batch with bad door latches. From an Amazon review:
@Kaser If they had enough reviews like that, these might be the stock of the later version that their wholesale accounts didn’t buy because of an unacceptable return rate for the model.
@Kaser Hmmm. The manufacturer’s manual lists Morningsave as an official Dealer. Most of the one-star Amazon reviews that mention the door latch are from 2019 or 2020, so perhaps that part has been improved, but there are loads of reports of problems with a number of things; rotisserie drive failure, uneven temp distribution, impossible-to-clean mesh basket (fried food grease congealed and baked in place), strong smell of frying in operation even after multiple attempts to clean the basket, etc.
Overall, I’ll stick with my uncomplicated, smaller Kalorik.
With other air fryers, half way during the cook I pull out the basket and give it a good shake so the food cooks evenly. Is that possible with design, or is that kind of a design flaw? Or do you shake the whole damn machine?
@Revtim The door can be opened during the cycle; the rotisserie will stop rotating and the heating element will power down while the door is open, and the whole unit will shut down if you keep the door open for 6 minutes or longer. You should have no problem pulling the basket out and stirring, flipping or shaking the contents as long as you do it in six minutes or less.
@werehatrack thanks!
So this is basically a fancy EZ-Bake oven?
@caffeineguy But possibly less fun.
Air fryers are amazing. If you don’t have one, get one. Not saying this one! But get something. I will never cook salmon in anything else ever again. For real. Perfect every time. And chicken wings too.
Is there any difference between “air fryer” and “convection oven”?
@ChrisW pretty much the same concept just a lot smaller and fits on your countertop
@ChrisW Convection ovens typically have a fully enclosed heating element, and the food is heated solely by contact with the circulating currents of hot air. Some may have an exposed element, but the big thin is that they’re larger.
The air fryers I’ve used have an exposed heating element with a fan to move hot air around within the cavity as well. Some air fryers might be just tiny convention ovens, but I haven’t seen any.
@ChrisW Expanding: Convection ovens are bigger, mostly, and some of them have an enclosed heating element. Air fryers are smaller, and mostly have an exposed heating element. So yeah, it’s mostly a matter of size. (The only convention oven I ever used had an enclosed element.)
I recall hearing my parents disparage built-in rotisseries in home ovens as being a frill that generally broke as soon as you tried to use it. From the Amazon reviews, it appears that sometimes this model has issues in that area as well.
Can I put my candy corn in here?
@wstull1 Unless it’s too big to fit through the door, of course you can! But should you? The answer to this question is not so easily supplied. So we shall consult the ultimate authority…
Ask again later
/8ball Should wstull1 put his candy corn in this air fryer?
I could literally cook my oven IN my oven.
@aolshove Did you know you’re also refrigerating that oven you’re cooking your oven in?
KuoH
Unfortunately it arrived with a crack in the front housing. Otherwise would be great!