@christinerenee No, no, we’re definitely not doing that. No need to further investigate any potential “time borrowing” because it’s definitely not a thing that happens and even if it were we certainly wouldn’t be doing it to you, someone unlikely to notice it.
I actually am okay with Daylight Saving Time. I like having sunlight late into the evening in summer, and I can appreciate having the sunrise not be ridiculously late in the morning in the winter (or ridiculously early in the summer). Probably the only argument I can make in favor of earlier sunsets in the summer would be starting outdoor movies earlier when the weather’s nice enough to actually want to be outdoors.
@jqubed Having the sun still up at 10pm is asinine and evil. DST (along with the electoral college) should be sent back to the 1800s where they belong.
@jqubed THANK YOU! Without daylight savings time, the sun would rise in Seattle at either 4 AM in the summer or 9 AM in the winter. Daylight savings time doesn’t introduce artificial variation into the time of day - it helps even out the natural variation over the course of the year.
DST keeps “human time” closer to “natural time.”
It’s one day of disruption (2-3 days, max, if you have a baby or something) for a far more tolerable relationship to time over the rest of the year. Humans being humans, we’re more aware of those 2-3 days than of how miserable it would be to have the sun rise at 4 AM every summer morning.
I generally agree with the sentiment. It takes a bit to adjust if you’re bad at going to be early, but daylight at 8PM in the summer is great.
I would have shared it with a few people but I’m not going to because of the profanity.
It’s a free country, of course! (Perhaps one could tell me that it bothers me more than it should?) My mission here isn’t to start a flame war about the nature, purpose, and place of profanity or to try and come off as holier-than-thou; I just wanted to note that at least one casual Mehtizen doesn’t care for it. Do what you will with that.
@DrunkCat “How can I paint this fence green [express a dissenting viewpoint] with a blue can of paint [in a more constructive way]?”
Are you saying that it is impossible to dissent constructively at all? That’s unfortunate…(though I might have missed a part of the analogy here. Maybe I can blame DST for that)
It’s OK to be put off by coarse language! People like different things. Some people don’t mind swears, but hate puppets, or bad singing, or corny humor, or my gross fat face. What I’m saying is: there are lots of legitimate reasons a person can have for disliking Meh videos, some of which we may try to make accommodations for and others of which we probably won’t. My gross fat face and the occasional cuss are likely to remain for now.
@matthew Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the work you do (and liked the video!). Just figured I’d say my piece - that’s what forums tend to be for, and I figure it’s a better metric than ‘not sharing something in silence’.
@matthew My favorite distaste are claymation haters. My coworker was absolutely terrified of them. So obviously we changed his wallpaper to Wallace and Gromit regularly
@brendino - Profanity is just the nature of the beast that is the meh forum. It seems like you understand that.
John Oliver is great, and I often want to send a link to my mother, but he always throws in some gratuitous language that prevents sharing. Oh well.
I see using the f-word here as kind of a gleeful rebellion against limitations found elsewhere. To me, the benefits far outweigh the other option – arbitrarily restrictive rules.
@IWUJackson I love DST and wish we had it ALL the time. It doesn’t bother me in the least to wake up and go to work in the dark, but I get depressed as heck when its already dark before I leave work.
@DrWorm I could do all the time. I just hate the whole getting up and seeing the nice sunrises and it being sunny and nice then one day later I get up in the dark. It’s more the transition than anything. I get excited for the light only to be thrust back into the dark… but I do appreciate the later light into the evenings.
As one of the few people (it seems) that gets up early, DST is garbage. It doesn’t actually save any energy, takes a lot of time to adjust for (all of the equipment in my lab needs updated, as well as the efficiency lost with changing sleep patterns), and is only kept around because people are incapable of change.
DST currently isn’t an issue for me, but in the (not too distant) past our payroll dept was not capable (or maybe just not willing) to compensate for/deduct for the hour in question. Those who worked overnight got a one hour bonus one weekend, and shafted out of an hour (which was really overtime to boot) on a different weekend. The thought was if you worked both weekends it “evened out”. The reality working 7on 7 off is that it rarely did… Thankfully, with computerized time records that is now a thing of the past.
As for the “extra daylight” I get in the summer, it is not nearly as much as I lost when I voluntarily moved south from the upper midwest…
It wasn’t until I was an adult that I realized that the name Arby’s stood for the letters RB’s, and hence their Roast Beef sandwiches. -It’s genius!
Then I recently learned that while it does stand for RB’s, it was actually just named that for the Raffel brothers who founded the original stores. That was such a let down. Forrest and Leroy came up with such a perfect name for a roast beef sandwich restaurant but instead said that the letters stood for them.
Daylight savings time doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the name of Arby’s restaurants.
I’ll just say that DST was meant for summer. Has anyone looked at a calendar (or out the window in the northeast) and noticed that it is still winter ?
@JasonToon
If ST/DST spring and fall changes were put up for popular vote, the seasonal changes would be voted down in the states that still have ST/DST; in most states, by a landslide.
The funny thing is that is you told everyone that start of business was at 7am and everyone had to go to work earlier there would be some revolt. “hell no, that’s bullshit” I expect. So instead we just tell everyone to move their clock an hour forward and people are like “hah, that’s stupid, but ok”.
Everyone complaining about the sun staying up late or the other way around…
I lived in Norway. In the summer, the sun never went completely away. Ihave a photo of 3am where the sun is just on the horizon. In the winter, we only had a few hours of sun. We managed. We had curtains on our windows to keep out the midnight sun. We had lamps inside and on the street to give us light in the dead of winter.
Savings time is stupid. Pick one, and stay with it.
So wait - if I whine about Daylight Savings Time, I will be flagged as a person to avoid asking to help on projects or pick someone up at the airport? Count me in!
i think meh should support DST by changing new sale time from midnight to 1am EST. east coasters that are awake at midnight are probably still awake at 1am and those that set an alarm to check the site, will get an extra hour of sleep. -see how generous you would be
what coast am I ? or maybe i’m surrounded by coasts ?.. not saying, just it is or will soon be daylight when it’s midnight EST. …out doing things, not relaxing at home with a brewsky surfing the net.
sale paused for the morning crowd… really… if you’re not EST or next to it, whose up that early?
afternoon sale paused for a few VMP… busy
the plus, there have been a few items i didn’t know i “needed” until i saw them on sale, but they were either sold out by the time i got home or paused and missed all the pause times… thus saving me some moola
@DrunkCat To be even MORE clear, studies have not been unanimous on that point. They’ve kind of been all over the place. You could make the case either way by choosing which studies to quote
@matthew The “S” is added so as not to be confused with “good for you”, which is not the sentiment I wished to convey.
And you understood what I meant, so I’d say it worked.
I enjoy your work, even if I was momentarily irked by Irk on this occasion, so please don’t take it personally.
“Good for you” never occurred to me as a possible interpretation of GFY. I need my attitude adjusted! Apparently I’m a real POS (pessimistic ol’ sucker)!
Nobody is going to scroll through the bazillion comments to read this shit so I can say any fucking thing and get away with it. Right?
So, to all f you people who don’t know how to get through DST, here’s the solution.
Instead of starting your self-medication (of whatever form you personally choose) at 6:00 p.m., begin your this activity one hour earlier.
simple. Instead of passing-out at your usual 11:00 you’ll pass-out at 10:00.
Please remember: this solution only works if you begin setting your clocks ahead (or back in the fall) at 6:00 p.m. (whatever before or after time your chemically altered mind conceives at that moment).
And, please, remember which clocks you’ve set ahead, otherwise you’ll set them ahead several times which causes your alarm to go off at 2:00 a.m. which can be very embarrassing when you arrive at aunt Edna’s lunch at 8:00 a.m.
Hope this solves the problem for many of you.
Ifn it don’t?
Flip the hourglass and don’t forget to turn the sundial!
TIL Literal car deaths are “annoying”.
@DrunkCat lame complainer
@woman Yeah I know, fatalities are so lame.
@DrunkCat
And measureable health consequences are lame also. We are such moaners.
Irk - I
you most of the time but we disagree just this once! As a teacher, DST SUCKS - especially during a full moon. Trust me. Today was Hell.
You kiss you mother with that mouth @Irk??
@conandlibrarian
I know that Dexter’s Laboratory was a popular sure, but idk, I never really"got into it".
I guess even at the age I was when I saw it constantly on TV I already had particular TV tastes.
Now that all of the clocks I depend on change time on their own, I don’t even notice when daylight saving time happens.
For all I know someone could be stealing or giving me time every night while I’m sleeping.
@christinerenee No, no, we’re definitely not doing that. No need to further investigate any potential “time borrowing” because it’s definitely not a thing that happens and even if it were we certainly wouldn’t be doing it to you, someone unlikely to notice it.
@jqubed I’ve just noticed you, and I am intrigued.
@christinerenee I recall them doing that to Dr. Bashir on DS9 once because he fully trusted the station chronometer. Sucker.
I get almost as much entertainment from closed captioning as from the videos. Carry on, irk.
@KDemo “dicks place” … lol.
@Irk just complained about me for 3 minutes, which is longer than I spent whining about DST this year.
I actually am okay with Daylight Saving Time. I like having sunlight late into the evening in summer, and I can appreciate having the sunrise not be ridiculously late in the morning in the winter (or ridiculously early in the summer). Probably the only argument I can make in favor of earlier sunsets in the summer would be starting outdoor movies earlier when the weather’s nice enough to actually want to be outdoors.
@jqubed - Oooh and earlier fireworks on the 4th!
@jqubed Having the sun still up at 10pm is asinine and evil. DST (along with the electoral college) should be sent back to the 1800s where they belong.
@jqubed THANK YOU! Without daylight savings time, the sun would rise in Seattle at either 4 AM in the summer or 9 AM in the winter. Daylight savings time doesn’t introduce artificial variation into the time of day - it helps even out the natural variation over the course of the year.
DST keeps “human time” closer to “natural time.”
It’s one day of disruption (2-3 days, max, if you have a baby or something) for a far more tolerable relationship to time over the rest of the year. Humans being humans, we’re more aware of those 2-3 days than of how miserable it would be to have the sun rise at 4 AM every summer morning.
@jqubed Abolishing DST would not change any of that unless legislation is responsible for the tilt of the earth.
@JasonToon You could just get up earlier, adjusting your hours to when you want to be up, rather than forcing everyone else to go along.
People managed to adjust their work and school hours just fine before Daylight Saving Time was introduced.
Not a problem for most of AZ, since we have daylight to spare we don’t need that silliness.
I love DST! I wish we stayed on it all year round! We currently stay on it for more of the year than normal time anyway…
I generally agree with the sentiment. It takes a bit to adjust if you’re bad at going to be early, but daylight at 8PM in the summer is great.
I would have shared it with a few people but I’m not going to because of the profanity.
It’s a free country, of course! (Perhaps one could tell me that it bothers me more than it should?) My mission here isn’t to start a flame war about the nature, purpose, and place of profanity or to try and come off as holier-than-thou; I just wanted to note that at least one casual Mehtizen doesn’t care for it. Do what you will with that.
@brendino
Too late.
@DrunkCat
Talking on the Internet is hard. How do you think I can express a dissenting viewpoint in a more constructive way?
@brendino “How can I paint this fence green with a blue can of paint?”
@DrunkCat “How can I paint this fence green [express a dissenting viewpoint] with a blue can of paint [in a more constructive way]?”
Are you saying that it is impossible to dissent constructively at all? That’s unfortunate…(though I might have missed a part of the analogy here. Maybe I can blame DST for that)
@brendino I’m saying your viewpoint is inherently holier-than-thou and no method can fix that.
It’s OK to be put off by coarse language! People like different things. Some people don’t mind swears, but hate puppets, or bad singing, or corny humor, or my gross fat face. What I’m saying is: there are lots of legitimate reasons a person can have for disliking Meh videos, some of which we may try to make accommodations for and others of which we probably won’t. My gross fat face and the occasional cuss are likely to remain for now.
@DrunkCat Ah.
Just my particular viewpoint, or anyone with opinions on word choice appropriateness?
@matthew Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the work you do (and liked the video!). Just figured I’d say my piece - that’s what forums tend to be for, and I figure it’s a better metric than ‘not sharing something in silence’.
@matthew My favorite distaste are claymation haters. My coworker was absolutely terrified of them. So obviously we changed his wallpaper to Wallace and Gromit regularly
@brendino - Profanity is just the nature of the beast that is the meh forum. It seems like you understand that.
John Oliver is great, and I often want to send a link to my mother, but he always throws in some gratuitous language that prevents sharing. Oh well.
I see using the f-word here as kind of a gleeful rebellion against limitations found elsewhere. To me, the benefits far outweigh the other option – arbitrarily restrictive rules.
@matthew - You need to lighten up on that negative self-talk. We love your (not fat, not gross) face. 'Specially with Hyram’s penciled-in moustache.
@KDemo One man’s fuck is another mans irregardless.
@DrunkCat
I, too, love DST in the summer… just wish we changed a little later in the spring so it wasn’t dark again when I get up.
@IWUJackson I love DST and wish we had it ALL the time. It doesn’t bother me in the least to wake up and go to work in the dark, but I get depressed as heck when its already dark before I leave work.
@DrWorm I could do all the time. I just hate the whole getting up and seeing the nice sunrises and it being sunny and nice then one day later I get up in the dark. It’s more the transition than anything. I get excited for the light only to be thrust back into the dark… but I do appreciate the later light into the evenings.
loved it!
Thank you Irk.
DST year round pls. Or ST year round.
AZ has it right.
@f00l Yes. Just choose a time & leave it there.
I pick 3:10PM
@matthew
i prefer
/youtube round midnight
As one of the few people (it seems) that gets up early, DST is garbage. It doesn’t actually save any energy, takes a lot of time to adjust for (all of the equipment in my lab needs updated, as well as the efficiency lost with changing sleep patterns), and is only kept around because people are incapable of change.
/image old lab equipment
DST currently isn’t an issue for me, but in the (not too distant) past our payroll dept was not capable (or maybe just not willing) to compensate for/deduct for the hour in question. Those who worked overnight got a one hour bonus one weekend, and shafted out of an hour (which was really overtime to boot) on a different weekend. The thought was if you worked both weekends it “evened out”. The reality working 7on 7 off is that it rarely did… Thankfully, with computerized time records that is now a thing of the past.
As for the “extra daylight” I get in the summer, it is not nearly as much as I lost when I voluntarily moved south from the upper midwest…
It wasn’t until I was an adult that I realized that the name Arby’s stood for the letters RB’s, and hence their Roast Beef sandwiches. -It’s genius!
Then I recently learned that while it does stand for RB’s, it was actually just named that for the Raffel brothers who founded the original stores. That was such a let down. Forrest and Leroy came up with such a perfect name for a roast beef sandwich restaurant but instead said that the letters stood for them.
Daylight savings time doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the name of Arby’s restaurants.
/giphy curly fries
I’ll just say that DST was meant for summer. Has anyone looked at a calendar (or out the window in the northeast) and noticed that it is still winter ?
Hawaii doesn’t do DST. It doesn’t matter to them because they’re always on Island Time
Hawaii doesn’t do DST. It doesn’t matter to them because they’re always on Island Time
@gustador
that bears repeating…
Kids, Irk. You forgot parents with kids.
@CylustheVirus I have kids and I am 100% pro-DST. I don’t want full sunshine streaming into my kids’ bedrooms at 5 AM every summer day.
@JasonToon They’re called curtains.
@CylustheVirus And I don’t want them going to school in full darkness at 8 AM every winter day.
@DrunkCat Curtains only do so much against the power of mighty Sol.
@JasonToon
Curtains, shades, and streetlights. Behold the wonders of modern conveniences.
Somehow Arizona manages just fine, in any case.
Arizona also experiences considerably less seasonal daylight variation than most of us, being at the southern edge of the nation
@JasonToon
/giphy black out curtains
@CylustheVirus why the whining? I thought the kids were supposed to whine and the adults were supposed to be adult about shit.
@JasonToon
If ST/DST spring and fall changes were put up for popular vote, the seasonal changes would be voted down in the states that still have ST/DST; in most states, by a landslide.
@DrunkCat You call @JasonToon kids’ curtains?
The funny thing is that is you told everyone that start of business was at 7am and everyone had to go to work earlier there would be some revolt. “hell no, that’s bullshit” I expect. So instead we just tell everyone to move their clock an hour forward and people are like “hah, that’s stupid, but ok”.
@sykl0ps I’d go to work at 7am if I got off at 4pm
@medz I start work at 7 am and I’m done at 3:30 pm. Not a morning person at all but I do like being done at that time.
Everyone complaining about the sun staying up late or the other way around…
I lived in Norway. In the summer, the sun never went completely away. Ihave a photo of 3am where the sun is just on the horizon. In the winter, we only had a few hours of sun. We managed. We had curtains on our windows to keep out the midnight sun. We had lamps inside and on the street to give us light in the dead of winter.
Savings time is stupid. Pick one, and stay with it.
So wait - if I whine about Daylight Savings Time, I will be flagged as a person to avoid asking to help on projects or pick someone up at the airport? Count me in!
i think meh should support DST by changing new sale time from midnight to 1am EST. east coasters that are awake at midnight are probably still awake at 1am and those that set an alarm to check the site, will get an extra hour of sleep. -see how generous you would be
what coast am I ? or maybe i’m surrounded by coasts ?.. not saying, just it is or will soon be daylight when it’s midnight EST. …out doing things, not relaxing at home with a brewsky surfing the net.
sale paused for the morning crowd… really… if you’re not EST or next to it, whose up that early?
afternoon sale paused for a few VMP… busy
the plus, there have been a few items i didn’t know i “needed” until i saw them on sale, but they were either sold out by the time i got home or paused and missed all the pause times… thus saving me some moola
whine away
There’s absolutely nothing on Earth that Americans hate more than a minor inconvenience designed to save fuel.
@apLundell “Put on a sweater” - Jimmy Carter
A reason to vote against Carter - American people
“This agreement on fuel standards represents the single most important step we’ve ever taken as a nation to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal - American people
@apLundell To be clear DST wastes more fuel, it doesn’t save it. Its the equivalent of holding on to a pre-70s gas guzzler.
@DrunkCat
The changeovers basically suck all the way 'round.
@DrunkCat To be even MORE clear, studies have not been unanimous on that point. They’ve kind of been all over the place. You could make the case either way by choosing which studies to quote
@apLundell
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/3d8252zp
https://phys.org/news/2010-03-daylight-energy.html
https://thinkprogress.org/daylight-saving-wastes-energy-study-says-542729aae6f7#.s2xf372t1
http://www.nber.org/papers/w14429
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jaabe/6/2/6_2_371/_article
I mean, you might as well say global warning has not been unanimous because of a few stray studies.
Maybe this video bothered me more than it should, but gfys, Irk.
@DennisG2014 “yourself” is one word
@matthew He said “go find your sister”. Sorry to hear she’s missing.
I thought it was something untoward about Glen (“your sock”)
@matthew The “S” is added so as not to be confused with “good for you”, which is not the sentiment I wished to convey.
And you understood what I meant, so I’d say it worked.
I enjoy your work, even if I was momentarily irked by Irk on this occasion, so please don’t take it personally.
“Good for you” never occurred to me as a possible interpretation of GFY. I need my attitude adjusted! Apparently I’m a real POS (pessimistic ol’ sucker)!
Nobody is going to scroll through the bazillion comments to read this shit so I can say any fucking thing and get away with it. Right?
So, to all f you people who don’t know how to get through DST, here’s the solution.
Instead of starting your self-medication (of whatever form you personally choose) at 6:00 p.m., begin your this activity one hour earlier.
simple. Instead of passing-out at your usual 11:00 you’ll pass-out at 10:00.
Please remember: this solution only works if you begin setting your clocks ahead (or back in the fall) at 6:00 p.m. (whatever before or after time your chemically altered mind conceives at that moment).
And, please, remember which clocks you’ve set ahead, otherwise you’ll set them ahead several times which causes your alarm to go off at 2:00 a.m. which can be very embarrassing when you arrive at aunt Edna’s lunch at 8:00 a.m.
Hope this solves the problem for many of you.
Ifn it don’t?
Flip the hourglass and don’t forget to turn the sundial!
@OldFart thanks for the advice.