Brain-Dead Race Hoaxer Joe Biden Is The Biggest [redacted] In America
Scott Adams, the creator of ‘Dilbert’ and a student of persuasion, explains why he thinks that Joe Biden citing the 2017 “fine people” in Charlottesville “race hoax” during his DNC acceptance speech disqualifies him from being the president, on his Friday morning “Coffee With Scott Adams” podcast.
Adams said “the fact that he based his campaign on being the guy of good character and the one who cares, while at the same time and in the same speech perpetuated the most divisive race hoax in American history – the fine people hoax,” is disqualifying for Biden.
“He’s basing his campaign on a debunked hoax,” he said. “What do people who believe the hoax say? ‘Oh, you right-wing crazy people are trying to tell us we didn’t hear it with our own ears. I saw it and I heard it and I can prove it. Here’s the video of what I saw and what I heard.’ And then, they’ll show the edited video – which is the hoax.”
“If they show the whole video, it shows Trump without prompting, and this is the important part, said he is not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists, ‘they should be condemned totally.’ If you leave that part out, it could be misunderstood that he was praising the people with the torches. So in order not to be misconstrued later, without prompting, Trump clarified to make sure you wouldn’t interpret it wrong, and they lopped that part off and turned it into the central part of Biden’s campaign.”
“They turned the truth into a lie by getting rid of the clarification.”
“And there’s a second lie,” he continued. “That it matters who was there. It doesn’t matter if there were any ‘fine people’ there… It doesn’t matter because Trump gave his assumption that he thought there were fine people, who fit the category of non-racist, and then he spoke to his assumption. Worst case scenario, he was mistaken about who attended.”
“The only way this hoax can exist is if you never talk to anybody who attended,” Adams said. “The people who are trying to say that the ‘fine people’ hoax really happened will only describe it from the perspective of the media reports of the time… But I talked to them, on the telephone, and they tell me the story about showing up. In one case they didn’t know who organized it at all, but they knew there was something going on about the statues. Were they marching with the racists? No, they never got close because the police stopped people from going in. And when it was over, they went home.”
“Do you know who else was incorrect about who attended? Everybody. Every person who thinks this hoax is real.”
“The f***ing ‘fine people’ hoax is the tentpole hoax that makes stupid people who believe the fake news believe that it is all true. It is the only one they think they saw with their own eyes because it got edited. And because they’re sure that one’s true, it makes all the other hoaxes seem true, and it makes everyone who supports Trump look like assholes,” he said a few minutes later. “Joe Biden, if you’re making your fellow citizens targets for violence and discrimination, and you’re doing it intentionally, you are not worthy of being a citizen of this country, much less a leader. You have not qualified at the basic level of understanding the Constitution.”
“And it is worse than that,” he continued. “Joe Biden has introduced a new form of slavery. This ‘fine people’ hoax has the intention of first, winning the election, but also to bind black voters to the Democrat Party. iI he does that, he has once again taken away all black political power… Why do white people have political power? How come black people can’t have any political power? because you don’t have any power if you just vote Democrat because asshole Joe Biden told you the biggest lie in American history and you bought it.”
“You believed it because you watch CNN and you think it is news. It stopped being news years ago, it is pure propaganda. And you know who else is? FOX News, you are just as guilty as CNN, no better. I will make exceptions for some of the hosts on FOX News… Greg Gutfeld has called out this hoax, but it is pretty clear that whoever is running FOX News is not interested in killing this hoax.”
“So, whoever is running FOX News, fix this. You have the responsibility because you are the main voice for people who support Trump, or you used to be. What happened? I watched people on FOX News last night talking about what a great speech this was, without talking about how the center of it is the biggest race hoax and a lie. How do you leave that out? How is that not the most important thing to say? He is tearing the country apart intentionally with a hoax, how is that okay?”
“Joe Biden, don’t try to sell us on character when that is the worst thing anyone has ever done as a politician in this country. You can’t find anything Trump has done, anything Richard Nixon did, that is close to this.”
August 15, 2017:
You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
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So you joined today to talk politics? Why?
@RiotDemon I mean, it’s kind of obvious? While Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit have ready-made threads to toss such incendiary topics onto, rarely does one have the logical opening of Swivel Charging Lamp to work with on those platforms.
@RiotDemon Some people have been posting complaints about Trump here lately… must have caught some Russian Bot Farm’s attention
@RiotDemon @TracerSpiff I for one, am tired of the overly political Swivel Charging Lamp agenda that Meh has been pushing.
@RiotDemon I lurk here a lot. I comment in the forum rarely using my main account. Occasionally I buy something.
I’ve noticed a bunch of anti-trump posts lately. There are a few very militant, deeply brainwashed, NPC types who spew ridiculous amounts of asinine venom against Trump and anyone who didn’t drink the lefty koolaid. I made this account because I don’t want to deal with their bullshit in my real account.
Like Trump or choose Biden, or prefer none of the above - we have a choice this November. The Biden option is by very far the worse of the two candidates. Consider me the voice of the silent majority, here to point that out.
@onlyonetruth I will consider you the voice of your opinion and your opinion only. It is risky to represent that one knows the opinion of the masses without very well designed polls (of which some/many - but certainly not all - are not).
@Kidsandliz Fair enough. We’ll find out in November, I suppose, widespread democrat vote fraud notwithstanding…
onlyonetruth joined us 1 day ago on August 22nd, 2020.
onlyonetruth is an unknowable enigma having placed 0 orders and voted in 0 polls.
@onlyonetruth Yes, because there’s records of massive Democrat voter fraud that happens every election.
You do know that parroting the claims of a proven liar just makes your comments sound even more pathetic, right? No, I guess you didn’t know that. You do now.
@Kidsandliz @onlyonetruth you do know that in the last election the majority of attempted voter fraud was in favor of Trump, not the other way around?
Or were they all “deep state plants” that deliberately got caught to make Trump supporters look bad? Lol
@onlyonetruth So you are gutless POS who is too chicken to use your account. Speaks volumes for the type of person you are. As for Trump being a better choice than Biden-I have flushed shit down the toilet that would make a better President that that asshole.
@OnionSoup This comment is just plain nuts.
@onlyonetruth only four people got caught trying to commit voter fraud in 2016.
3 of those 4 caught were trying to double vote for…
… Donald Trump.
75% Trump supporters. Not that that is a very meaningful sample size… But that’s because this “massive fraud hoax is just that, a hoax”.
So either most of the fraudulent voters were Trump supporters… Or Trump supporters are just more likely to be incompetent and get caught…
Wait… You’re right most of the fraud wasn’t for Trump… :p
@OnionSoup If you want to play silly games with silly numbers, at least quote your source… Either you’re deliberately burying your head in the sand, or you’ve been duped and mislead. If it’s the latter, I’ll be happy to help you, but you’d have to want to be informed and educated.
@Kidsandliz @onlyonetruth Gerrymandering, suppression of ex-felons voting rights (Florida), scare tactics are MO of Republicans. Keep drinking the bleach as recommended by Herr Fuhrer. It is starting to show in everyone of your posts.
@blaineg @onlyonetruth @RiotDemon “Onlyonetruth” is a gutless spineless wimp. Someone who really believes what he or she says doesn’t have to hide behind a fake name. Probably a Russian Troll but regardless-if meh had any balls or brains they should have deleted his posts immediately.
@Felton10 @Kidsandliz Um. Where to start, where to start… If you think only Florida gerrymanders, and democrat states do not, then I have a bridge to sell you. Florida restored ex-felons’ voting rights under republican leadership. And scare tactics? Are you kidding me?
@Felton10 From your posts, you seem to think of yourself as intelligent and thoughtful. Maybe you are, though your posts don’t support that. I’d be happy to address your thoughts or discuss any issues, but you’re going to have to make a voluntary choice to get past the sad little caterwauling about my choice of account. Heck, maybe this will become my new main account. I’m starting to like letting things all air out. I’m still not convinced one of you leftys won’t vandalize my house or worse, so for now I’ll leave things as they are. But in the mean time, feel free to try to engage in a rational discussion.
@Kidsandliz @onlyonetruth “Florida restored ex-felons’ voting rights under republican leadership”-Maybe you should stick to things you know something about. Ex-felon voting rights were overwhelmingly passed by the voters after enough signatures were obtained to put it on the ballot. But Republicans fearing that most felon would vote democratic passed as bill saying all back legal fees and restitution had to be paid prior to the ex-felons being allowed to vote. A blatant case of attempted voter suppression over the will of the people.
1st picture - 4 men standing outside a home, armed with rifles, holding up a sign for a democrat amounts to voter intimidation? i thought we had a 2nd amendment in this country.
2nd picture - they should not have been there. police were called and the man on the left with the billy club was removed. the man on the right was a registered poll watcher. i find no evidence they were dispatched there by the DNC.
if you’d like to read about an actual case of voter intimidation by the RNC, here you go:
@onlyonetruth Thanks but no thanks. Given the title of your thread and some of the unbelievable things you have said-your mind to already make up and as closed to new thoughts as Trump is.
@Felton10 Ah. So this discussion will continue on along the lines of discourse that you have determined. Very well then:
@onlyonetruth You see-instead of just saying OK and leaving it at that-you dig up something from a show you watch everyday and post it. Speaks to your level of intelligence. But then again as a Trump supporter we already knew you were not too intelligent or educated.
@Felton10 This line of “reasoning” again? Really? Come on, pal. You can do better.
Or maybe you really can’t.
On the other hand, Trump. So…
@ACraigL This comment has just sat here since Saturday evening. It kinda landed with a wet thump, but given the quiet appreciation it has received from your fellow travelers, it pretty well summarizes the thought process that goes into lefty thinking. Or in short: OrangeManBad.
@onlyonetruth I’ll ask that you leave my wet thumps out of this debate, thank you very much.
i feel dumber for having read this. especially this part:
“And it is worse than that,” he continued. “Joe Biden has introduced a new form of slavery. This ‘fine people’ hoax has the intention of first, winning the election, but also to bind black voters to the Democrat Party. iI he does that, he has once again taken away all black political power… Why do white people have political power? How come black people can’t have any political power? because you don’t have any power if you just vote Democrat because asshole Joe Biden told you the biggest lie in American history and you bought it.”
what in the fuck?
and this: "You can’t find anything Trump has done … that is close to this.”
you sure about this? because this is pretty hard to top:
how anyone could possibly vote for this piece of fucking shit after he did this is beyond me.
@carl669 because we live in a fucked up country.
@carl669 @RiotDemon It was far less fucked up before you dems went full on Marxist batshit crazy.
@carl669 That has been so heavily debunked that you must be either 1) simply ignorant (and now having been corrected will realize your error) or 2) actively interested in perpetuating a mistruth (in which case you are part of the problem fucking up this country). Neither is a good look, but at least #1 is fixable.
I did some homework for you, but remember in the future 5 seconds of research might save you from posting something embarrassing. Also remember, if you choose to get your “news” from the legacy media (who are now the propaganda and entertainment wing of the democrat party), you might as well just get it directly from the DNC and save yourself the middleman…
And many, many more…
@onlyonetruth I love that you created a new account to hide behind to call us names.
@RiotDemon You people are so vile and vicious when your cult is questioned, that it’s kinda a necessity these days.
@onlyonetruth mkay. I’m jumping to your side right away.
@onlyonetruth nope. still going with trump mocked a disabled reporter.
@carl669 Of course you are.
@onlyonetruth How long has your head been up your ass- a long time given the shit on your face and you having shit for brains.
@carl669 @onlyonetruth He did, but he didn’t mock their disability. Which is a pretty important part of the 5-year narrative.
@carl669 It’s already been said but I’m not sure people are really appreciating the severity.
This didn’t actually happen and that should matter–these events were and continue to be grossly mischaracterized by most mainstream media outlets. The BBC is one of the only exceptions to this, as they debunked the false “Fine People” claim two days ago–but it took them three years of unchecked propagation of a clear lie to get around to it, and as a result there will be far too many people who will never learn otherwise. I knew he didn’t refer to white supremacists as “fine people” because I simply watched the presser. As for “Mocking Disabled Reporter”, I actually believed it up until fairly recently, mostly because I never cared enough to look into it and wouldn’t have been surprised if it were true–but it wasn’t true. It was debunked several years ago by different people who independently demonstrated that Trump unimaginatively utilizes the same “impression” to criticize people he wants to paint as floundering/scrambling to explain themselves or walk back statements they’ve made. It’s fine if you think he’s lying–that’s a point we can at least disagree on. But if he’s lying, he’s been playing a long game for years to build up a body of evidence just to have plausible deniability so he could make fun of a disabled person… which doesn’t add up in my opinion. Especially when you consider it didn’t work, and it’s likely millions of people still believe this actually happened.
I dislike being put in a position where I have to defend Orange Man, but the gravity of these issues transcends the highest level of hostility I could have for any president–and I had to grow up with Dubya, the mythical WMDs that got 6,000+ young Americans killed and the Patriot Act that’s still gutting our civil liberties. But the “Fine People” and “Mocking Disabled Reporter” narratives are incredibly disturbing propaganda efforts on another level altogether, and not because of the target or even the accusations themselves–it’s disturbing because the minimal information required to inform us about the true nature of these events was and is readily available but people simply refuse to look at it for reasons that seem to be purely emotional in nature.
Learning the other half of these stories hasn’t really changed my opinion of Trump, but it’s sure as hell changed my opinion of the institutions I used to trust, and who I now understand were intentionally gaslighting me–and for what?
what the hell?? a calm, rational response with no name calling towards people who may disagree?? how dare you good ma’am/sir!?! walks away grumbling about “damn millenials ruining the internet”
so, i watched the linked video. while i understand what you’re saying, something about the “impression” he uses did not sit well with me and it took me a bit to put my finger on it. back in the 70s and 80s, when i was a wee lad, this is the exact mannerism kids would use to imply someone was retarded (ugh… i feel like such a dick for ever doing it). and for an adult to do the same is unconscionable. whether or not this is his intent, i can’t say, but that is how i see that “impression”.
as for the “very fine people on both sides” quote. if you remove the neo-nazis and white supremacists from the unite the right rally, who remains on that side? i’ve included a link to an independent review commissioned by the city of charlottesville (executive summary, pgs 4-7 cover the events of aug 11-12):
granted, i have not read the entire 200+ pages yet, but there is no mention of anyone other than white nationalists on the unite the right side of the protest.
anywho, i should probably go do actual work now. cheers.
@carl669 @onlyonetruth All of these are partisan “news” sources. Yep, I’m sure “Catholics4Trump” will be landing their Pulitzer any day now. And a couple of those are opinion pieces.
My opinion is it’s obvious that he was mocking the reporter and it’s disgusting. Additionally, you’re disgusting for being ok with it.
This is just another example of you guys taking what he says or does, which is typically a dumpster fire, and trying to interpret it in a way (what he really meant was…) more palatable to folks when the unvarnished truth is way uglier than the polish the faithful try and shine on it.
@carl669 @patti Are you actually trying to make the argument that the “news” sources that you might prefer are not partisan?
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion. It’s wrong, but you’re free to be wrong if you want. But it’s deeply hypocritical for you to berate me for seeing things a certain way, when you are doing the same.
@carl669 @onlyonetruth A few of the pieces you directed me to are clearly Opinion or Commentary pieces. If you understand what journalism is, you’ll understand that Opinion or Commentary pieces are just that. They aren’t news articles. They are someone’s viewpoint, no matter how crackpot it is. I’m not berating you for your viewpoints, I’m challenging you for parroting talking points without using the slightest bit of critical thinking and not understanding the difference between an actual news article vs someone’s glorified screeds that are elevated by being printed by a known source rather than on a deal a day message board.
@carl669 @patti Do you really feel that what you still refer to journalism is what it is supposed to be? Sorry to say, and I really do consider this a tragedy, our 4th pillar “news” sources are not objective journalism anymore. Pretty much everything is now “Opinion or Commentary pieces”, irrespective of what logo is in the corner. The media in general have for decades had a left-leaning bias. Over the past few years, that has gone from bias to activism. I wish this were not the case, but it is.
Regarding critical thinking: I am not the one taking at face value what Brian Stelter and Don Lemon are telling me, because it says CNN on the screen and that’s all I need to know to believe everything I’m told.
@carl669 @onlyonetruth Just because you believe that because most fact-based journalists don’t see your world view it doesn’t make it so. Facts don’t have a bias. People do.
You don’t like the facts and your solution appears to be doubling down on your opinion along with other sources that echo that opinion, facts be damned. Those sources are exploiting you and so long as your world view is reinforced, you don’t care. The problem starts with you.
Like posting two examples of poll watchers with guns while ignoring the fact that Trump, this week, said he wanted to send folks with guns to the polls. Honestly, the problem is you. Try taking a break from your so-called news sources this week and try something a new. Seek out the facts and stop playing the “I know he said X but he really meant Y” game.
JFC could you imagine if Obama or Biden pulled 1/10th of the crap that Trump pulled? Right there alone is a solid example of your double standard.
@carl669 @patti I am actually starting to find you amusing. This lefty cult, which seems to mandate seeing everything exactly the opposite of what actually is, can be frustrating for normal people to deal with at times. But then it can also be really funny (in the kind of pitiful way that those YouTube blooper videos are funny).
Everything you said above is wrong, but I’ll correct only one: If Trump did only 1/10th of the corrupt crap that Obama/Biden did (and ostensibly have gotten away with), then his own base would have his head. We’re honest and ethical that way. You wouldn’t understand.
@onlyonetruth This week during the RNC there have been countless Hatch Act violations by the Trump team. The Hatch Act deems that you can’t use Federal property for political events and actions yet most of the speeches this week for the Republican part are from Federal monuments and the White House.
Again, clearly a violation of the law yet they are doing it anyway. Here’s the law from a Trump admin website for your perusal:
https://www.doi.gov/ethics/prohibited-partisan-political-activity-reminder-required-hatch-act#:~:text=The Hatch Act generally prohibits,while using a Government vehicle.
Is that ethical? Will it be OK for the next Dem president to do this?
tRump supporters don’t need any help from the media to look like assholes; supporting tRump makes them look like assholes.
@Tawnyy I’d like to see your references regarding this deep thought. It seems pretty assholey to say this sort of thing.
@onlyonetruth Being a trump supporter and being an [alicorn] yourself, you probably know a lot about them.
“No one factor describes Trump’s supporters. But an array of factors – many of them reflecting five major social psychological phenomena can help to account for this extraordinary political event: authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, prejudice, relative deprivation, and intergroup contact.”
Should we even talk about what the rest of the world in general thinks about him and his supporters?
@cinoclav @Tawnyy Why on earth would you wish to base your view about America or Americans on what some Europeans might have to say?
@onlyonetruth @Tawnyy Because understanding how the rest of the world sees the United States is eye opening. The consensus view is that Trump is a blithering idiot, a bully, a poor leader, and that he’s absolutely destroyed the reputation of this country. We have become a complete laughingstock. Putin is using him, China is bored with him, and European leaders don’t care to give him the time of day. Hate to tell you, but the United States is not the be-all and end-all. Without the ability to come to agreements with the rest of the globe, our economic standing is being destroyed. We are not looked at as the power that we once were a mere 4 years ago.
I’m sorry you’re unable to see the big picture. Your faith is truly blinding.
@cinoclav @Tawnyy I’m not blinded. I just don’t put a whole lot of stock in catering to the opinions of those who have for decades scorned or hated us. If you feel that Obama was a respected leader in the ways that matter, then your blinders are even tighter than you think mine are. To be sure, some Germans fawned over him, while the power brokers in the middle eastern terrorist locales formed a caliphate, Iran grew stronger, China became more virulent (metaphorically), etc.
The big picture has been bigger than you seem to recognize for a long time. Trump’s current role in it has had some important successes. Your views of that are deeply blinded by your hatred and your choice of “news” sources.
@onlyonetruth You again assume I am ignorant enough to get all of my information from “news” sources. You don’t know me at all. Of course you’d flip if I said you get all your news from Fox and Breitbart. If you’ve noticed, I haven’t done that.
As for world views, it’s more important than you’d like to admit. And it’s much more than just Germany.
Just like the other thread, if someone is being openly racist, etc. Please tag thumperchick.
I’m not sticking around to read.
@RiotDemon Who is being racist? Open or otherwise?
@onlyonetruth No one or she would have tagged Thumperchick. But I wouldn’t be surprised if “etc” happens.
@RiotDemon @sammydog01 So why bring racism into it?
@RiotDemon @sammydog01 Speaking of “etc”: there are a few nutjobs who routinely post the most hateful, despicable ad hominems against those whose political views they despise. They openly wish people would die, simply because they support Trump. Very clearly, “etc” has happened in these forums, and it seems to be very selectively policed, as none of the lefty perpetrators of “etc” seem to have ever been dealt with.
@onlyonetruth By any chance are you a regular here with a secondary account just for this? I’m just asking because that kind of talk is unacceptable from anyone and should be reported.
@onlyonetruth I didn’t quote everything @thumperchick said from the other thread. I have other things besides this forum to deal with. Other things have been deleted when they got over the top. If you see something you can’t stand, tag @thumperchick. Don’t tag me when it comes to politics. I don’t read all the political shit from either side.
@sammydog01 yes, they are from this forum. They admitted above somewhere that they created an account so they could say what they wanted without retribution to their main account.
Looks like Q-Aanon have joined in with the Russians and a full dose of meds.
Your podcast sounds very intriguing. Where can i sign up for exclusive access to your fans-only section?
@mike808 Ah. One of the militant, deeply brainwashed, NPC types has arrived.
Did you actually have to drink KoolAid, or is that just a metaphor?
If you don’t have the balls to post your sad opinions under your established name, you’re not even worth a consideration.
@cinoclav I have the balls. I just don’t have the patience…
@onlyonetruth You seem to have enough patience to create a new account, post a lengthy bunch of nonsense, and find links to pro-Trump sites in an attempt to back up your beliefs.
Patience has nothing to do with it. What are you afraid of?
@cinoclav Being doxed, so to speak, and then having to deal with that. I know that there are some people who frequent these forums who live not far from where I do. Given some of the things some of your ilk have said about Trump supporters, I don’t want to tempt fate. Not all of you, but enough of you to matter, have been brainwashed into violent, vicious, malicious drones.
@onlyonetruth That’s just sad. If you know people here well enough that you’re afraid to use your regular username, odds are they’ll recognize you anyway. As for violence… seems to be the Republicans consistently threatening it.
@cinoclav the trigger discipline this lady shows scares me every time.
@cinoclav Did you happen to see the mob of rioters against whom they were exercising their second amendment rights? Republicans “threatening” violence as self defense is not quite at the level of democrats using violence as a form of communication.
@cinoclav @onlyonetruth by “mob of rioters” do you mean the unarmed peaceful protestors?
@cinoclav @onlyonetruth You may have balls although I doubt it, but you certainly don’t have any brains-you posts prove that.
@onlyonetruth Yes, I absolutely saw the video of protestors walking PAST their house. Not approaching their door, not threatening them. I also read about the time Patricia “Karen” McCloskey brandished a gun while screaming at a neighbor to stay off a piece of ‘their’ property, which apparently isn’t even theirs.
@carl669 @cinoclav Follow up reports note that her “weapon” was not real.
@onlyonetruth pointing a gun at someone who is not endangering you nor anybody else is not self defense. That’s an escalation. If you point a gun at me while I’m walking by, on the other hand, I’m am within my rights to shoot you in defense as you are threatening me with a deadly weapon.
@ajdillon No, it was real. When it was turned in the firing pin was disabled. It was taken apart and put back together and test fired just fine. They think they disabled it as part of their defense in saying it wasn’t able to be fired. There’s no way of proving when that was done.
@cinoclav @OnionSoup @onlyonetruth
Peaceful protesters do not break in. This was their entry point to this private gated neighborhood.
Their Story here
Exactly! But you seem to be spring loaded to Guilty. This is still the USA where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
There is nothing peaceful about these people trying to destroy our cities. And in that statement I include both extremes, left and right. But it would be nice to hear the Democrat leadership (?) denounce the violence.
So these protesters just happened to come to a “peaceful” protest with flares?
[edit: added the flare video link]
@cinoclav @OnionSoup @onlyonetruth
Let’s try that again.
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @onlyonetruth The VAST MAJORITY of people protesting did not riot.
And frequently in many cases it was Trump’s white supremacists that was doing the damage not the protestors.
There are stories like this one all over the country.
It’s not black people who want to start a race war and have racial based violence it’s Trump’s crazy neo Nazis.
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @OnionSoup
OnionSoup, you have to work at it to twist your perception of reality to believe what you do. It would take much less effort to just accept reality as it is. That would put you in the awkward position of having to contend with realizing that everything you think you believe is wrong, though.
The first step is to turn off CNN, MSNBC, and the alphabet lefty propaganda activist media cartel (which lately seems to include Fox News as well).
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @onlyonetruth ah yes. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News, BBC, every major newspaper, every major online news source, news distribution services like AP and Reuters.
Every news source that has ever said anything critical about Trump. They’re all part of the deep state and just out to get Trump. Don’t trust what any of the established news sources say. Only believe conspiracy theories off fringe websites. They’re the only ones telling the truth.
Everyone is wrong except for the fringe editorials.
For the record I haven’t watched CNN or MSNBC since before the last election.
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @OnionSoup And yet you believe that “CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News, BBC, every major newspaper, every major online news source, news distribution services like AP and Reuters” are honest purveyors of objective information, without agenda or bias?
@Mehrocco_Mole Yes, maybe Biden should say something about the violent protestors. Oh wait, he did and it’s probably not what you expected.
@cinoclav I said the leadership. Biden is certainly not part of the Democrat leadership.
@Mehrocco_Mole When you’re the party’s nomination for President, what you say counts. A lot.
@Mehrocco_Mole @OnionSoup @onlyonetruth Shocking… apparently Bonnie and Clyde McCloskey are repeat offenders when it comes to being jerks.
"The protesters were peaceful, Talve said.
She said she knew this because many members of her synagogue marched with them, and she works closely with many of the local BLM activists."
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @OnionSoup
Yeah that makes her not so much a reliable witness, eh? If you pal around with the self-described Marxist trained agitators (this is the BLM leadership’s own description of themselves), and then later discuss how wonderful they are, then you are a Marxist agitator.
So this individual’s description of the protest as peaceful is probably true inasmuch as the burning, looting, and when needed murder perpetrated by the various rioting mobs around the country is “mostly peaceful”.
You can argue the semantics all you want, but your side owns this, and this is, more than any other reason, why you are going to benefit from 4 more years of Trump. Normal Americans see it for what it is.
I just want to know - does it have Bluetooth?
@mml666 And is it available in purple?
Oh oh… and does it work on my Mac?
Sorry but no.
Yes, yes it does.
So it seems Scott Adams is a whacko who thinks Republicans are literally going to be hunted if Biden wins. The lack of credibility in this thread is mind boggling.
@cinoclav Uh… I think maybe you don’t know the meaning of the word “literally”. If you read the article, it’s pretty clear that the hunting described is figurative.
Are you literally shaking?
seems pretty literal to me.
@cinoclav this definitely isn’t the first time Scott has shown himself to be a provocateur. He has been roundly dismissed and marginalized as a pretend thinker for a while. Here’s just one decent article explaining his modus operandi: https://theoutline.com/post/1080/scott-adams-dilbert-blog-worst
@onlyonetruth I think you have have a reading comprehension issue. He is very clearly, or shall I say, literally, talking about physical harm.
“Republicans will be hunted,” he wrote in a follow-up tweet, later adding, “Police will stand down.”
The comic strip creator has been outspoken about his political views both on Twitter and on his blog, where he previously endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2016 and accused the Hillary Clinton campaign of stoking “violence against police, violence against Trump supporters, and death threats to bloggers such as me.”
As actor James Urbaniak noted in response to Adams’ tweets, the threat of violence against Republican voters in response to Democratic electoral victories is a recurring theme in Adams’ political commentary. Urbaniak quoted a 2016 blog post of Adams in which the “Dilbert” creator said, “Clinton supporters have convinced me – and here I am being 100% serious – that my safety is at risk if I am seen as supportive of Trump.”
@carl669 I’m afraid I don’t see where those tweets are in that article, which I read and comprehended. I’m happy to consider additional information, but you tossed that in after the fact. Even still, I see hyperbole as a literary device in those tweets. The victims of your fellow travelers in several of the democrat run cities around the country may agree with you however regarding how literal Adams was being.
@onlyonetruth the referenced tweets are in the first and second sentences of the article. please actually read the article. I included the screenshot of the tweets to show they were not part of a lengthier tweet and they are not selectively edited.
whether or not there is any hyperbole in those tweets is up for debate. since they were written with no other context, I see no reason to infer it. further, in a video posted by adams (July 21 I think), he discusses these tweets. he says, paraphrased, “it’s not a 100% chance, but there is a good chance”.
so, he is being literal.
I’m reminded of the musical “A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum”: Tragedy tomorrow… Comedy tonight!
@curtise Love that show!
so i don’t know why you decided that forums for a self-deprecating deal a day website was the place that needed this, but thanks for ruining yet another space on the internet. thanks a ton.
@gardenald I looked through the mean-spirited threads recently posted by democrats on this self-deprecating deal a day website, but I didn’t see that you made any similar comments in any of them. I guess I can’t take all of the credit for ruining this space.
@gardenald @onlyonetruth But why would you want any credit or start something in a deliberately inflammatory way unless you wanted to create problems? Yes I realize you were being somewhat sarcastic but your comment, in my opinion, how you worded your opinions were inflammatory. There are other ways to say the same things that without doing that. That someone else does that or says something in a way/tone/style… that is problematic doesn’t justify you (or anyone) following down that same path. Or, as most of us were told as kids and most of us tell our children, “two wrongs don’t make a right”.
And I am sure we all know that the way to have intelligent, thoughtful discussions when people disagree (or even when they don’t) is not to engage in inflammatory language, name calling, attacks on individuals rather than discuss their comments/ideas, etc. Not everyone in these discussions across these threads engages in that kind of disruptive behavior. Some actually address just the comments/issues/ideas in way that isn’t purposely intended to be inflammatory, despite what the person(people) engaging them is/are doing.
Of course there is also bullying, trolling, personal attacks, name calling, making up crap about others that also goes on these forums in some other threads too, not just on the political ones. And some of that crap has been deleted by moderators so I have no doubt there will be a point where this will happen on the political threads too if people don’t clean it up. Frankly it doesn’t speak well of the people who do that to others… but the fact that a select few do that is no justification for others to engage in that same kind of behavior.
@gardenald Honestly, it’s insane how the hyper-political Trump faithful can literally ruin anything (latest example, the 240-year-old institution enshrined in the Constitution known as the USPS).
Like when they formed their own twitter and no one came besides their own echo chamber because literally no one else wants to hear it. Yet these a-holes keep trying to hoist their crappy political musings on us, see this thread as an example.
One thing I’ve learned under this Trump presidency is the 33% that will support him no matter what made me realize that 1/3rd of the people of this country are assholes.
@gardenald @onlyonetruth Why are you entitled to equal time when it’s pretty obvious this is a pretty left-leaning group? I don’t roll up to Breitbart or the Fox forums to crap all over Trump because I’m not a petulant child demanding that my ideas are heard. Why do you feel the need to do just that?
@gardenald @patti Meh isn’t specifically a political site, like the examples you cited. Why do you feel the need to berate someone for voicing his ideas?
As you spew your vitriol, please try for a moment to recognize that you are the one matter-of-factly calling 33% of your fellow Americans assholes. Perhaps that cloak of self righteousness you proudly seem to wear has a few holes in it?
@gardenald @onlyonetruth The title of your post is intended to belittle and incite others. It is exactly why I call the 33% of Americans that are the Trump base assholes. Literally today, the RNC convention. The party had zero platform. The party stands for nothing other than grievance and to “own the libs”. There is nothing not assholey about it.
I’d be more than happy to point to all of the reasons I think that…anything from locking children in cages to mocking the disabled, to literally ignoring the coronavirus because it was only affecting blue states early on, and of course destroying millions of dollars worth of Federal property by dismantling those USPS sorting machines to try and stop people from voting. I can go on if you’d like.
If you’re so proud of your own viewpoints post under your own user name or you again just prove again why you’re part of that 33%. You don’t post under your own user name because of you divisively you’re behaving, hmmmmm…that’s how a-holes behave.
Nice to hear you admit that Fox is a political site and not actually news.
You can call me an asshole if you want, but lumping an entire group into it is a deeply flawed thing do to. Kinda makes you an asshole (even independent of all of the other stuff you’ve said).
You clearly didn’t watch it. It’s refreshing that we do have an honorable and noble platform. But since we’re on the topic, what was the DNC’s platform? Really, get rid of OrangeManBad is not a platform. It really isn’t.
Obama cages and Obama policy. Trump eventually ended it.
Didn’t happen. Try to pay attention. At worst, it’s a debatable point. Certainly not an incontrovertible fact upon which to base a deep personal hatred. Have some integrity, FCS.
This is Alex Jones level conspiracy theory shit. You’re just making yourself look silly by saying this sort of thing. Please try harder.
It is because you believe this sort of hoax story that I can justifiably say that there is no objectivity left in the “mainstream” media in whom you place such heady stock. Do some actual personal research to understand how big a line you’ve chomped onto.
Maybe I will. At this point, I have more posts and “likes” on this account than I have in my “real” account. Maybe this will be me from now on. I’d lose my button streak, but that might be a good thing… In any case, I don’t trust you and your militant minions to keep it in the forums. Your side’s increasingly mainstream militant factions believe breaking, burning, and hurting are fair forms of free speech, and people like you seem to sanction their terrorism.
With that said, it’s silly to be hung up on the name issue. There are actual topics to discuss, and if you try to open your eyes and mind, you might learn something.
@gardenald @onlyonetruth Yeah dude, you’re off the deep end.
As for the COVID blue state story it was reported by the Washington Post, Vanity Fair, and NY Magazine. Here’s a quote:
As for the post office story, you can google photos of the BRAND NEW sorting machines that were not even placed into storage but dismantled and placed into a dumpster.
There is video of him mocking a disabled reporter. Your desire to rewrite what he did doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.
Here’s a fact check on the child separation policy:
And I’d love for you to explain why almost every single one of the President’s campaign managers is facing multiple felony charges.
Enabling this president’s worst tendencies will come back to haunt you guys. At some point a Democrat uninterested in playing fair will come into power and the rest of the party will shrug it’s shoulders remembering the past 4 years.
@gardenald @patti Patti, you are being very inefficient. If you are citing NYT, NY Mag, WaPo, and Vanity Fair as news sources, then you can save yourself so much time by just going directly to the source: https://democrats.org/
As to the question of the felony charges. It’s good you should ask that question. The better one though, and the one that’s most relevant to the preservation of constitutional America, is why aren’t Obama’s?
And finally, I defy you to find me one remaining democrat who plays fair. The days of Lieberman and real “Blue Dog” dems are over. Democrats don’t play fair, and they don’t care about honor. One thing I’ll give them though: they play to win, whatever it takes. Like the mafia.
@onlyonetruth Trump has been in charge of the DOJ for almost 4 years now and yet there have been no charges against the Obama campaign folks. Perhaps the answer to your question is there were no charges to be levied against the Obama administration. However, your what-about-ism doesn’t distract me from the questions at hand.
Again, you didn’t actually answer any of these questions, just parroted a few talking points. No wonder you are too ashamed to post under your real user account.
It’s so weird, I always thought society would fight against an Orwellian propaganda state. Instead, Trump supporters just lean right into it so insecure in their own beliefs that so long as they have a set of “alternative facts” that support their world view it reinforces their sense of self. It’s like an adult pacifier.
@patti You’re kinda on “transmit-only” Patti. If you grab a bunch of nonsense talking points from DNC media and then pose them as questions, why would I waste my time individually addressing them? The answers you seek are not actually hard to find. The problem is that you don’t want answers, you want to be pedantic regarding your party’s line. Since I’m not being reimbursed for my time here, I’ve spent most of it interacting with some of your fellow travelers who are actually able to have a dialogue.
Trollbot - only here to sow discord.
I only read the title and some responses, the op obviously not worth my time.
What a huge coward to hide their identity!
The sickest, emptiest “people” enjoy agitating others.
Best way to deal is to ignore - without an audience, their cruel and malicious game will backfire.
@kdemo But do you really need scare quotes around the word people? I am a person, whether or not you agree with me. That’s a lesson you lefty loons seem never to have learned: those not in your cult are people, too.
So are we going to continue to entertain this dumpster fire of a thread, or are we going to delete obviously inflammatory messages?
@PooltoyWolf You don’t seem to worry about the truly nasty, personal comments posted by those you agree with politically. Hypocrisy. Sad.
@onlyonetruth That’s funny, I don’t recall mentioning a political alignment.
Personally I don’t think Meh is the best place to air political grievances and opinions, but that’s just me.
@onlyonetruth @PooltoyWolf We can just add this one to the other dumpster fire threads about politics that a different person keeps starting.
@PooltoyWolf it is a dumpster fire of a thread, and I clearly don’t agree with it or the poster, but if we allow the anti-Trump thread then I do think it’s fair that this thread be allowed to stand too.
The thread is kinda self-defeating though. It only makes Trump defenders look worse. If the idea is to make Trump seem more palatable, it’s had the opposite effect.
The irony of being pissed off primarily because you think Biden encouraged violence against people not voting for him b/c of his beliefs about Trump’s comments regarding Charlottesville is rich. And tragic.
Adams isn’t an idiot, but he’s not a brilliant logician either, I’m afraid. #TIL
Still like his strips. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@stinks Yeah, my first thought was that basing your argument on the wisdom of Scott Adams is not the slam-dunk you’re assuming it is. This goes for all arguments.
@mossygreen @stinks Adams was pointing out something factual. You may not agree with his point of view about it, but it is a fact that Biden persistently repeats a debunked misquote of what Trump said about Charlottesville.
@mossygreen @onlyonetruth I think Biden would argue Trump too narrowly defines those two groups, excusing too much hate as “fine” b/c not literally self-identifying as neo-nazi or white supremacist. Instead of saying anti-semitism is wrong, racism is wrong, and that anyone chanting white power and racist chants were wrong, he bounced around the issue.
Take it from Paul Ryan, who, as you do, liked the original comments (“pitch perfect”), but says Trump botched the follow-ons:
What president chooses to publicly defend racial prejudice? Brilliant. :sigh:
For Adams, seems he believes as Plato famously did (Narrator: “He did not”):
“Covfefe” “Yo-Semite” “Individual 1” They have to ruin everything. I’m going back to watching Sarah Cooper
@gfreek I’ll join you.
I’ve got a feature request for meh: I have seen, elsewhere, a feature in forums where you can reply to a thread without bumping it.
I’ve always got this itch to reply in these threads, and a big part of whether or not I scratch it is whether or not somebody else has already posted recently enough.
Anyways, whoever you are @onlyonetruth, you’re spot on about the Dems taking Trump out of context, to the point of lying outright about what he said. (There was probably a bit more text in the original post than was necessary to make the point.) I’ve noticed that… all you have to do is seek out original sources a few times to identify the trend, but then, why would most people bother when they don’t have a reason to distrust whatever secondary source.
You wouldn’t think they’d feel the need to lie about Trump. I mean, with a guy like Trump? Seems gratuitous. Does it actually help them?
Not so sure about… the rest. I’d encourage everyone to consider the possibility that all the politicians are corrupt goddamn liars, willing to endorse propaganda as though it’s fact, and that that makes it hard to tell what’s real.
Dilbert is the poster boy for Dunning-Kruger.
So, let’s accept that Biden is perpetrating a hoax.
A hoax. One. Singular.
So, that’s supposed to convince me to vote for the guy who perpetuates all the hoaxes?
Talk about loserthink.
Who wants to place bets on who the mystery Trump Chump is?
I’m betting it’s therealjrn.
@DennisG2014 yep. It is interesting to see them try to say bad things about Biden when Trump is guilty of the same, only 10 times worse.
@DennisG2014 Just because I’m posting about one specific hoax does not mean that it is the only one. My God, the depth of ignorance in your post is staggering.
@onlyonetruth I’m not arguing with sock puppets, JRN.
Altho @therealjrn’s political beliefs usually align toward conservative/Republican policies, (insofar as I’m aware of his politically directed remarks), I doubt he’s the instigator here.
Not his style (in my opinion), so to speak.
And I don’t think @therealjrn has any reluctance to post as he wishes, including about politics, under his usual uid.
I have no idea who the creator of this topic is. I do pity that person tho.
Thanks, it wasn’t me. Truly.
I have ceded the internet forums in general to the brain washed. My little foray into making a thread about the “progressives” just resulted in a lot of OMB posts.
If I am going to be subject to this mindless sh*t at meh, I guess I won’t be visiting or buying here any more.
If you follow brain-dead Scott’s logic, then Donnie disqualified himself 20k times.
@jaimelobo This is neither a train station, nor an airport. No need to announce your departure.
@eq52515 Actually, yes there is a reason. The powers that be at meh, need to know this is a sale a day site, not a tin-foil hat conspiracy site and maybe people don’t want that crap here.
BTW, no one asked for your analysis either.
@eq52515 @jaimelobo These days, I mostly just lurk here. This particular thread, though, will probably be my last lurk. And @eq52515, fuck off.
Look guys, I don’t like this post either. But if you’re going to allow @Felton10 and others to spew hate every single day this will be the result. Free speech works both ways.
@sammydog01 Spewing hate is what Trump did from the first day he was elected. Obviously he thinks his bace responds to that type of rhetoric. So what is wrong with responding in kind. Those who criticize always seem to avoid mentioning that it was Trump who bought this level of discourse (name calling and insults) into the political arena. Let me hear what you have to say about that while criticizing me?
@Felton10 @sammydog01 blah blah…hurt feelings…#orangemanbad
@eq52515 @sammydog01 good reply from someone with limited brainpower.
@Felton10 The classic “he started it” defense. Very third grade playground.
@sammydog01 This is absolutely it. This is why I posted this thread here. And from here on out, every time @Felton10 or another equally brainwashed, hyper-militant, NPC drone posts a hate thread here, I will return one in kind. If that’s the kind of place this is going to be, then it will go both ways.
@sammydog01 Glad you agree. When you are dealing with a group of people who have no more than a third grade education as do most Trump supporters you have to speak to them in language they understand.
@onlyonetruth Isn’t it getting time for your 8 hour shift at 7-11 to begin?
@Felton10 @sammydog01 Or you speak to them in a language that’s so far above their aptitude, they’re unable to respond with anything rational. At that point the typical Trumpster response results in ‘Nyah, Nyah, Nyah’ or as we’ve seen, insults that somehow involve your mother.
@Felton10 It would be, but the damn democrats shut everything down to tank the economy to get rid of orangemanbad. Now I have to work in a Mexican factory making methane hand sanitizer. Thanks for that.
@cinoclav @Felton10 @sammydog01 I would simply point you in the direction of anything and everything @Felton10 has said in response to anything posted by someone he disagrees with. The company you keep…
@onlyonetruth You’ve made it perfectly clear that your reason for starting this thread is to respond in kind to those that @Felton10 has begun. As much as you want to complain about him, you are doing the exact same thing, making you no better. You ARE the company he’s keeping at the moment.
@cinoclav @Felton10 Nope. I’m going to react to him. He (and the others like him) can stop anytime, and you won’t hear anything more from me.
@onlyonetruth Hypocrisy at it’s finest…
@onlyonetruth You think the democrats shut down the economy to get rid of Trump. Now I know you are delusional. Ever heard of Covid-19 or as Trump called it the Democratic Hoax. Think the 175k who have died might disagree with you.
@cinoclav @onlyonetruth Is that a promise.
@Felton10 No. Everyone shut down the economy when the Chinese-virus issue began. Once we learned more about it, the democrats kept things shut down far beyond the point of medical relevance. Feel free to postulate other reasons for why the farthest left democrats kept things shut down the longest, but I’ll assure you that deep concern for the health and wellbeing of their fellow human beings was not part of their equations.
@onlyonetruth Plain and simple - you’re a full fledged idiot. Now you’re going with conspiracy theories. You’re repeating the claims of someone who has a record of over 20,000 lies made while in office. If Democrat run states kept things closed for a longer period of time, that’s because there was a medical necessity to do so. You see what happened when Republican run states opened up early, right? Go ahead and claim that Texas and Florida didn’t really have a massive surge in positive Covid-19 patients. Just calling it the ‘Chinese-virus’ gives the impression that you’re a racist.
@onlyonetruth That is stupidest thing I have ever heard. About on par with the CDC delaying testing of the vaccine so Trump will lose the election. Have you been drinking the same water as Trump. Seems like it.
@cinoclav Are you sure it’s full-fledged?!? I thought that was more of an advanced degree, and I only took the certificate level course. And I do see what happened in the Republican states. The curve was flattened with the initial shut down, and then there was a mild bounce when things reopened, and in the end, no republican state had anything near the slaughter inflicted upon their populations by the devastating “leadership” of the lefty states. But you get your “news” from venues that tried to lie to you. I guess they succeeded.
@Felton10 If you’ve listened to yourself, even a little, you’ve heard far stupider.
@cinoclav If it’s not racist to say Ebola virus, or West Nile Virus, or Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, then it’s not racist to say China virus. Stop being lead around by the democrat race baiters and hate mongers (BIRM). Stand up for rational thought and just stop.
@onlyonetruth It’s a close contest between every idiot Trump ass kisser here. But you take the cake as you seem to be more intelligent than the usual “Fun with Dick and Jane” Trump lemming. That is what makes your position even more puzzling. Were you dropped on your head as a baby or is there any history of mental retardation in your family?
@Felton10 Sniff… That’s probably the nicest thing you’ve ever said to anybody. You make me want to be a better man.
@onlyonetruth The CDC has these listed as:
Ebola Virus Disease
West Nile Virus
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
So no, it’s not racist to call any of them exactly what they’re named. Maybe go with Coronavirus or Covid-19 and you won’t sound like a racist. Using a name that denigrates an entire race is not only childish but also creates a further divide. Chinese Americans have been abused and attacked because of the mindset you promote by calling it something like that.
As far as Florida and Texas, I don’t get my information from ‘venues’ that lie to me. I use actual numbers (as far as I can when Trump isn’t trying to hide them). You see, working in healthcare and potentially being exposed on a daily basis gives me a vested interest in exactly what is happening with this virus. There was a hell of a lot more than a “mild bounce.” Daily positive cases increased over 10 times what they had been in a very short period of time.
You constantly respond with attempts to validate your posts, yet you don’t like to use actual facts.
@onlyonetruth Just trying to figure out why someone who obviously has above average intelligence could ever support Trump. Even if you agree with some of the things he has done (judges appointed, tax cut, cut regulations), his personal attributes or lack thereof (bullying, name calling, cheating on his wife with porn stars, paying off women to keep quit, admitting he grabs women’s genitals, his overt racism, I could go on and on) would turn off most college education clear thinking people.
@cinoclav I am also in healthcare and am also potentially exposed on a daily basis, as is my smarter-than-me wife. I am very aware of the raw numbers, the trends, and the more relevant data, including percentage positives, case fatality rates, and relevant rolling trends. I have spent more time by far dealing with the concerns of those who have been led to panic by sensationalist headlines than actually dealing with very sick, c-19 positive patients. That isn’t to say that it hasn’t sucked for a significant number of people. It’s to say that most of the people who have been panicked have not been at nearly as much personal risk of terrible outcomes as has been sold to them.
The tragedy has never been about how many people have tested positive. The tragedy is how many have (or will have) died of it. The reality, though tragic, is not hugely different from issues like this we have faced as a society in the past. The reaction to it is what has been different. At a certain point, for a certain subset of the population, that became about something other than healthcare.
@Felton10 Assuming this is who we think it is, he has a history of bullying someone here. So…
@Felton10 I’m happy to discuss this with you, but you’ll have to agree to discuss it, rather than devolve into the proverbial basement dwelling internet name-caller… If that’s a condition you can agree to, then we can talk.
@cinoclav who do you think it is?
You might want to explain that to the 4 hospitals here where I live as these hospitals have been full for weeks. Covid patients, including some on ventilators, are backed up in the ER, in OR recovery rooms, etc. waiting for an ICU bed or other hospital bed to open. Also there are other critically ill non covid patients in the same dire situation.
Oh and the ER’s are closed because of that since the beds are taken up with patients waiting to get admitted to the hospital. Since there has to be at least one ER to deal with car crashes, strokes, heart attacks, guns shot wounds, etc. they rotate here which one is open. And my biopsy that I have been waiting to have since early April hasn’t happened yet because of this either. My Aug 6 apt was cancelled and this time it wasn’t rescheduled like the last 3 times it was cancelled since they have no clue when the number of cases will have declined enough. None of this is fiction around here. Had we not reopened too early none of this would have happened and we wouldn’t be in the fix we are in now.
The collateral damage to other patients who can’t get tests done, procedures done, have their appointments is starting to mount too. A friend has stomach cancer. Chemo was done as scheduled and then there was a 5 week wait for surgery due to no OR recovery room beds nor other hospital beds. That also meant the 6 rounds of chemo that were to follow surgery were then delayed too. Hopefully, in the long run, that isn’t going to matter.
The problem here was no one listened to the medical professionals, things were not shut down long enough and now we are, locally, paying the price.
That isn’t true. I live in MS and looking at per capital cases we have here we have been in the top 3-5 for a number of weeks (hopefully dropping but I haven’t checked recently). This is a solidly republican state with well gerrymandered voting districts in the few corners of the state that is not.
@Kidsandliz Hospitals get full every year. Currently that includes C19 patients, but the flu and other maladies contribute to cyclic hospital census changes all the time. It has always been that way, and hospital capacity is designed to be flexible to accommodate varying needs. Same with ICU beds. There is a built-in buffer system within hospitals, and when needed among the communities in general, to accommodate these issues. There are mechanisms that all hospitals have to address high census, which at times includes using the ERs and hallways, and electively redirecting non-critical ER patients to other ERs. These are normal and not infrequent events. With that said, it is important to keep perspective, media-induced panics notwithstanding: no one in America who has needed a hospital bed, an ICU bed, or a ventilator for C19 has failed to receive one. That that may not be true in other countries says everything you need to know about our varying healthcare systems, nothing more.
The collateral damage in delayed testing and scheduling elective procedures that unfortunately affects you is because of shutdowns, appointment scheduling behavior changes, and to an extent, paranoia about further burdening a system that many have been led to believe is about to crack. On top of that, many patients have stopped scheduling elective tests and appointments, leading to cashflow problems among medical practices, which further leads to decreased office hours, staff layoffs, and reduced capacity to schedule new appointments (why take on the expense to make appointment slots available if there might not be anyone making appointments for a while). Unfortunately, some people who need (or should get) care get screwed (or at least delayed) because of this.
The original cause of all of this was an honest attempt to get in front of an illness about which nothing was known, whose consequences were potentially devastating. We now know who is at risk, we have strategies in place to mitigate risk, we understand that the vast majority of people who get infected will not die of C19, and we can make informed decisions.
To the extent that shutdowns continue. To the extent that patients who need care are not able to receive it in a timely fashion (or are afraid to seek it). To the extent that our overall healthcare is jeopardized. These are the consequences of decisions and policies that are no longer about safety and healthcare. These are political choices.
@onlyonetruth This has never, ever happened here before. Yes for a couple of hours on occasion, a day here and there, for one hospital at a time on occasion, but not all the hospitals for weeks. This is not normal here. Apts and surgeries here have been cancelled against the will of patients, including me for apts and a surgery, over and over. The administration at the hospital I use have taken a 25% pay cut and the MD’s a 10% one. That is a first as well. I doubt they’d do that to support a political fiction in a very heavily republican southern state with a stanch Trump supporter as the governor. If nothing else people want their entire paychecks not just part of them.
@Kidsandliz As I said, a lot of the ongoing problems are trickling down from the draconian changes that were abruptly made in March (initially for arguably good reason). There are market forces in play that will make recovering from this challenging everywhere (and are clearly still affecting your local healthcare market).
That there are still states that choose to remain largely shut down though, despite understanding the devastating repercussions of the original shutdown, is unconscionable.
@onlyonetruth Our big problems locally started after the shutdown was lifted.
@Kidsandliz You had the same problems during the shutdown: no elective appointments, biopsies, etc. It will take many months beyond the end of the original shutdown before the system will recover. Those who remain in shutdown will have it worse, and with a longer recovery, because more damage will be done.
@onlyonetruth No they opened back up (locally) all the medical stuff too. Stuff was in full swing. Back to face to face apts (although telehealth if someone wanted it that way), surgeries, etc. The hospitals never reached capacity during the first shut down. It was only after everything opened back up that they reached capacity as the number of cases were far more than previously during the shut down. I got a call rescheduling it yet again (before the rescheduling ended up to be for times while the first shut down was still in place) for about 5 or 6 weeks out due to the back up and then with the massive uptick and hospital overload it got cancelled again.
@Kidsandliz We can go round and round, and I don’t want to be unfair to you. You clearly have had a bad situation that hopefully does not get worse as you continue to wait for the care you need.
I’ll say this, and then you can have the last word if you want. One of the reasons case numbers went up when states started opening back up is that there was a lot more testing taking place by that point. If your hospital system is anything like mine, then every patient who came for anything had to get tested first, which also dramatically increased the number of positives. There was also the backlog of surgeries, tests, and procedures that was pending from the beginning of March. All of that was in play at the time that things began to reopen. That is going to happen everywhere when things reopen. My contention is that the longer things stay closed, the worse those logistics can be. Couple that with the economics of medical practices that had to cut back staff or close entirely, and the problem worsens.
The root cause of the problems you’re facing is not that things were not shut down long enough.
Increased case numbers are generally irrelevant. This has nothing to do with the issue of the surge. The primary reason the case numbers went up is because states allowed areas to open too soon. Even if testing was increased 100x, we would not have seen the increase if proper precautions (masks and social distancing for starters) were taken. If you actually work in a hospital, than you should understand that what truly counts is the increased hospitalizations. Simply put, more people were sick because of increased exposure, not because more people were tested.
@cinoclav @Kidsandliz The statistics that really matter are the numbers of deaths and the percentage of positives who ultimately go on to die of C19. Both are relatively low in the states in question, particularly in relation to the bloodbath on Cuomo’s hands because of his wretched mismanagement of his state’s policies.
It is also interesting, to me at least, that the case numbers started spiking about 2 weeks after the (mostly peaceful) protests began. The restaurants and other venues in question had been open for weeks before that.
@Kidsandliz @onlyonetruth Yes, the mortality rates are key. However, your defense of states that opened too early and your blame on Cuomo who resides over the most populated city in the United States (by more than double) is once again a reflection of your politics. Compare these two graphs. While New York was hit early and hard, once Cuomo decided to stop obeying the federal government and make his own rules, the deaths began to level off. Now look at Florida, which I must state yet again, opened things up too early and their deaths began to climb dramatically.
NYC’s population is geographically concentrated to a degree unknown even in most other big cities.
If someone is going to talk about NY stats, pls include the effects of high #s of incoming travelers at risk, and consequent early exposure (before international travel restrictions, and when less was known re the desease), and of concentrated population proximity.
@f00l @onlyonetruth Exactly. All of which contributed to the fast spike.
@cinoclav @f00l Half of their deaths were a direct result of Cuomo’s mandate to place infected patients in nursing homes, despite medical judgment. This is indefensible. You can argue the rest rationally, and there is merit to those challenges that NY faced. The nursing home thing however makes Cuomo the most prolific mass murderer in our nation’s history. It’s not worth even trying to defend.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth @sammydog01 Or you could just ignore it because it’s not aimed at you. Man, you Trump supporters are the most thin-skinned political group I have ever seen. You are literally the party of grievances and nothing more.
Your grievance seems to be on a deal a day message board someone posts not nice things about the most corrupt president in our lifetimes and you have oddly decided that your opinion must be heard on this matter and that we are all obligated to entertain it.
This is your line in the sand, your Waterloo per se, and it says more about your sad life and the polarization in this country than it does about the actual politics at play. Go outside, ride a bike or something.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth @patti How come every time I say don’t be a dick I get labeled as a Trump supporter followed by an insult?
I was happy when Felton started posting political topics because it keeps it out of the stuff I generally read. People need to blow off steam. Why not let the other side have a thread where they get to do it too?
@onlyonetruth @patti @sammydog01 Well how about this for a start-“Only one truth” who was too gutless to use his own moniker- the suject re Biden for his post was demeaning, insulting and designed for insults and name calling responses back whereas my post re Steve Bannon was factual and came from a news headline.
Trump’s level of political rhetoric has brought political discourse to a new low from which we may never recover. Calling people sleepy or shifty is the type of things 3rd graders do. People assume you are like the company you keep and if you support Trump, you support his insults and bullying ways. That is the way life is these days with a child as President.
@f00l @onlyonetruth Okay, I won’t try to defend it. I’ll let someone else explain it much greater detail.
@sammydog01 @patti was clearly directing that at our OP, not at you.
@onlyonetruth @patti @sammydog01 That is it in a nutshell. Most Trump supporters are losers in life, blame everyone but themselves and have no opportunity to get ahead. Along comes the snake oil salesman name Trump and promises them the sky and moon and they grab onto it because they haven’t anything else. And because they are too stupid to realize their life hasn’t gotten any better (probably worse) under the Orange Skidmark, they will vote for him again.
@Felton10 @patti You guys live in a world of your own fantasy. If you look objectively, the demographics that your beloved Obama most pandered to saw their first real systemic advancement in generations under Trump’s (Republican) economic policies. Those demos stagnated or did worse under Obama, though he and his minions like to take credit for the good that came after, while blaming Trump for the bad. That’s very adult, but I digress.
I’ll share a personal anecdote, that I believe is shared by many. I was never a Trump guy through his entertainment career - never watched his shows or cared about him either way. Kinda a bloviating buffoon, but he seemed to entertain some people so whatevs.
When he ran in the primary, I was pissed that he always sucked all of the air out of the room, and in a sea of primary contenders, some of whom were truly legit in my view, Trump ended up with all of the attention. I didn’t vote for him in the primary, and I wasn’t happy that he won it.
By election time, it was clear to me and to a great many others that, in addition to Clinton being the most corrupt, venal, and unpalatable human being ever to run for that office, the shenanigans of the militant left were making life in America increasingly annoying and stupid (and at times dangerous).
So I held my nose and voted for Trump. I hoped he would adhere to some conservative principles, etc, but as much I just wanted someone other than Clinton.
Fast forward 4 years: given the conduct of the left and the craven feckless grifters on the professional right, given the hate-fueled rhetoric of the race baiters who now are the mainstream of the left, given the support for disruption and violence in service to political power at the sacrifice of a generation of deliberately confused Americans - given all of that I would crawl over broken glass to support Trump this go around. He didn’t cave to you people and your wretched hatred. He didn’t always conduct himself with typical decorum, but he fights for the things that matter most. For that, he has my support, as well as that of a lot of other people who probably don’t like him, but prefer him to the hell on earth you leftys are creating.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth @sammydog01 No one is saying they can’t but this is a community and you have someone hiding behind a throwaway account to have their say and no feel like it’s disruptive. This poster is not about having a discussion, it’s literally about being mad someone else posts stuff that they don’t like.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth @sammydog01 Wasn’t aimed at you Felton.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth @sammydog01 I agree with you on this post 100% Felton and that is my issue with the OP of this thread. He/she hides and posts inflammatory rhetoric intended to be offensive and divisive. Like a Russian troll.
@Felton10 @patti @sammydog01 I don’t know any Russian trolls, so I wouldn’t know.
@Felton10 @patti @sammydog01
I can guess with nearly total certainty that you do not, in fact, know any Trump supporters. Remember, we’re not the ones on balance who are demanding handouts, free “healthcare”, free college, free this, that, and the other. We’re asking for the government to leave us alone as much as possible, so that we can take responsibility for our own lives and families, and seek the opportunities of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
With that said, you should maybe try to make the acquaintance of some Trump supporters (or conservatives, at least). They might make you want to become a better person.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth @sammydog01 Every first world country provides healthcare for its citizens. The system as it stands is not unsustainable and don’t pretend like you have a clue about who needs handouts. Red States have a far higher percentage of folks on welfare and medicare than blue states. Hell, when divvying up the Federal pot blue states contribute more to the Federal pot and get less back in services and spending than blue states. Red States literally suck the teet of Blue States to survive.
Again, try some critical thinking.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth @patti
Wow. Do you say this because of discussions with friends, relatives and coworkers or because of click-bait posts on Yahoo? He’s polling at something like 40%- are all of those people losers? Of course the press emphasizes the loonies. That’s how they get advertising dollars.
@patti @sammydog01 This may not say much about my circle of friends or acquaintances but yes-most if not all were looking to grab something, anything that would turn their life around. I don’t doubt that there were some that may have been taken in by his “business successes” who voted for him initially, but after 4 years of him doing nothing but going backwards can’t see any clear thinking intelligent well educated person still supporting him.
In my 20+ years in television news I have noticed that if three witnesses to a crime (Robert Lawyer, Hi Bill MD, and Bubba) are interviewed about what they saw the only one to air will be Bubba.
I’ve just been watching videos of the two sides squaring off in Portland yesterday.
My honest opinion: Trump should have said that there are bad people on both sides and left it at that.
I say, open up the sports stadiums in these cities. Anyone geared up for violence, whether offensively or defensively should be herded into the stadiums and allowed to have at it.
Trump claims he doesn’t know much about Qanon yet he likes them because they seem to like him. This is either a lie or (perhaps even worse) an indication that he has no idea what is happening around him. Very irresponsible and dangerous either way. Vote for Biden.
@medz Considering his complete lack of knowledge about the world around him and his total disregard for intelligence briefings, it isn’t surprising that he has literally no idea what QAnon is. I can’t believe this is the person in charge of this country. More so, I can’t believe there are people here who want him to keep doing it. If you want to read something truly scary… https://time.com/5518947/donald-trump-intelligence-briefings-national-security/
@medz he has to be a complete imbecile if he doesn’t know enough about QAnon to give an opinion on whether they are legit or not.
He is president, he is briefed everyday about what is going on.
Absolutely he knows what QAnon is and he knows it’s a bunch of crap but he doesn’t want to admit he is stoking the conspiracy theories nor does he want to upset them.
@medz Biden doesn’t know much of anything. Except graft and corruption. He’s still got a pretty good handle on that, as he has for the 47 or so years he’s been sucking off the public teet for his personal and family’s enrichment.
@onlyonetruth I bet Biden knows Qanon is full of crap.
@medz @onlyonetruth Yes, Biden has decades of corruption behind him. We’ve heard all about it non-stop for the last year.
Oh wait, no we haven’t. Because even Trump doesn’t have some giant file filled with examples of Biden’s corruption to spout off about.
Your blind rage against Democrats has completely disabled your ability to see that overall, Biden is a respectable person. He has a solid history of being there for his family, of supporting his fellow human beings, and of showing genuine heart. Maybe you should just take a step back and look at the positives that he brings to the table and give the guy some credit.
@cinoclav @medz You cannot possibly believe what you wrote here. I would very much love for any of that to be even partly true, but you are singing the praises of a guy who (just off the top of my head - I’m sure there’s much more)
@onlyonetruth that’s it? That’s all you got from a guy with a lifelong political career? Trump has that list beat and in only 4 years!
@medz You’re drinking lefty media koolaid. Trump isn’t a saint. A lifelong NY corporate real-estate guy has some skeletons in his closet. He hasn’t been a model gentleman when it comes to his relationships. Still, he has never raped anyone, and his foibles are nowhere near Biden’s corruption. Not on the same page. Not in the same book. Not on the same shelf. Hell, not in the same library.
@onlyonetruth Trump has never raped anyone… Might want to ask E Jean Carroll about that. Not to mention all the other women who have come forth to share their stories about his actions.
Are you really defending this piece of shit? Really? You believe in him so strongly that you’re willing to deny his crimes?
@cinoclav He’s the far, far lesser of two evils. And many of the policies he’s put forth have actually made meaningful differences for a lot of people who have, in general, been used as pawns for political gain every 4 years, but whose plights continue to suck year after year despite the endless pandering, promises, and policies of the left. But yeah, some of his tweets are mean, so he’s literally hitler.
@cinoclav Regarding E Jean Carroll - she seems… questionable.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: So you don’t feel like a victim?
E. JEAN CARROLL: I was not thrown on the ground and ravished. Which, the word “rape” carries so many sexual connotations. This was not sexual. It just, it hurt.
ANDERSON COOPER: I think most people think of rape as a violent assault. It is not sexual–
E. JEAN CARROLL: I think most people think of rape as being sexy.
ANDERSON COOPER: Let’s take a short break.
E. JEAN CARROLL: Think of the fantasies.
ANDERSON COOPER: We’re going to take a short break. If you could stick around we can talk more.
E. JEAN CARROLL: You’re fascinating to talk to.
@onlyonetruth By the way, regarding Robert Bork, six Republicans also voted against his nomination. Apparently back then they had some integrity.
As for that supposed rape accusation, Tara Reade has been proven to be a liar and a manipulator. She has lied under oath several times. She has absolutely no credibility.
@onlyonetruth LMAO - So you’re trying to tell me that what E Jean Carroll experienced wasn’t rape, but what Tara Reade supposedly experienced was? Again, you’re just the king of hypocrisy.
@cinoclav Let’s ask Kamala Harris (this is from one of your left-leaning sites, so you won’t accuse me of cherry picking)
No one is going to convince the suckers and the Chumps not to vote for Trump, and no one is going to convince rational people to vote for him.
The job is to convince rational people how important it is to cast a vote against him.
I never wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton, I don’t want to vote for Joe Biden. But this insanity that Trump has inflicted upon us has to stop, and voting for Biden is the only way to stop it.
I understand if you hate the establishment and politics as usual, I do too, but do you really want 4 more years of abject, batshit insanity?
Get out there and vote for Biden.
Come on, man!
@DennisG2014 The bit is funny but there really is much more to him. I’ll readily admit that he was certainly not my first choice but he was also far from my last one. Regardless, even my last choice had more sense and humanity than the current liar-in-chief. Hell, just electing Biden would be a giant leap in increasing this country’s standing with the rest of the world. I don’t think Trumpers have any idea the significance of that.
@DennisG2014 yeah. We need people who either didn’t vote or voted 3rd party last time to realize they hold the power to save us from Trump. I am hoping enough people in that group realize what a poor strategy that was last time and vote for Biden. Even if they see it as the lesser of two evils.
@cinoclav I just hope that, if he’s elected, Jill makes a better Nancy Reagan than Nancy Reagan did, because I think it’s pretty clear Joe is approaching late-stage Ronald Reagan.
I think she will, she’s pretty great.
Honestly, I’d much rather vote for Dr. Jill Biden than her husband.
@DennisG2014 He’s definitely not approaching Reagan’s Alzheimer’s. He has his odd moments but more often than not it’s clear it’s because he’s forced to change his thoughts because his stuttering short circuits his ability to get the words out. Hell, I know that even I’ve struggled to find the right word at times as I’ve gotten older, and I’m not exactly close to his age. I do agree though, Jill Biden is awesome. I’m sure she can do much more than ‘be best.’
@DennisG2014 I was listening to a progressive radio station briefly this morning and a caller made the point that people need to understand that “you can’t always get what you want, but you sure as hell can lose what you have” is a rationale for voting.
You can only make a decision based upon the information you have at the time. Based upon the information we had in 2016 a third-party vote or abstention was absolutely a valid and respectable position.
There’s no “poor strategy” about it. Not everybody shares the same goals as you.
@Limewater We have some conservative-leaning friends who voted 3rd party because they recognized Trump was a disaster. The shared goal we had with them was to avoid a Trump presidency, but their strategy of voting 3rd party made it easier for Trump to win.
Likewise anyone who was left-leaning and disliked Hillary may have voted 3rd party for similar reasoning. Unfortunately, this is a two-party system and a 3rd party vote (or not voting) is a poor strategy if the shared goal is to get Trump out.
@medz So far so good in that there aren’t any third party candidates that seem to be making any waves this year. Why anyone thought either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson had a clue amazes me. I really don’t get the utter hatred for Hillary. She has a broad depth of experience and was one of the most qualified candidates we’ve had in a long time. All the negatives I ever heard were typical Trump attack points that were total unfounded bullshit.
@medz I can’t speak for your friends last election, but the fact that y’all had a common goal does not mean that y’all weighted that goal similarly. Preventing President Trump may have been your absolute top priority. I don’t know. Your friends may have had other competing goals or priorities they they weighted more heavily that caused them to vote differently. That doesn’t mean that their voting strategy was poor. It just didn’t lead to the outcome you, or possibly even they, wanted.
It is pretty clear in the upcoming election that if your top priority is to prevent President Trump’s re-election your best move is to vote for Biden.
@cinoclav @medz A non-trivial number of people voted for Gary Johnson because they thought that, in a race with two such undesirable major-party candidates, it might help the Libertarian Party reach the threshold for federal campaign dollars and actually become a legitimate challenger to the current duopoly.
Regarding issues with Clinton, I think you are downplaying how big a deal the e-mail thing actually was. I was a federal employee at the time. If I had done what she did I would have absolutely gone to prison. It wasn’t a bullshit attack. It was a legitimate, serious issue that isn’t going to seem like a big deal to the average person on the street. And, lest I be accused of stupid partisan attacks, also believe that the Senate acquittal of President Trump was ridiculous and he should have been removed from office as a result of his impeachment.
@Limewater Yet Trump’s people have all done, at the very least, the same thing with private email. I don’t hear the Republicans screaming about that at all. No, they really don’t care about it. It was simply used as a point of attack against Hillary.
@cinoclav “Trump did it, too!” is probably not a phrase I would utter to defend any action.
@cinoclav @medz As far as a 3rd party vote goes they are not wasted, they are a step in the right direction toward breaking up our limiting two party system. Some time ago there was one person sitting in a pub that raised his mug of mead and said to all who would listen, “You know guys, we need to kick those Brits out of our land!” Look at what that started. And that was against arguably the most powerful army in the world.
Okay, admit it. You’re just trying to not get yourself suicided, right?
And, if you live in a state where one of these party-over-country traitors is up for reelection, vote them all out.
They all knew what Trump is and what he’d do to the country if elected, but when he was elected, they sold their souls for partisan power over the good of the Country.
They all knew and they’ve all got to go.
@DennisG2014 It is amazing to me that you can live in the same country and be so completely wrong about so much. Except Susan Collins. You can have her.
Mods please remove this thread. Thank you!!
@CaptAmehrican maybe all the political threads
@CaptAmehrican @tinamarie1974 this is left to the higher ups. Censoring is rarely done here because once you start censoring one topic, where does it stop?
@RiotDemon @tinamarie1974 yes perhaps all political threads as it is ruining meh forums . This is a company meh keeping political stuff off the forums is better for business
@CaptAmehrican If you want to be taken seriously, please go post this same comment in the anti-Trump hate threads. No political threads, or a political shitstorm that goes both ways. Those are the choices.
I respect the mods’ avoidance of censoring topics. I would hope the users of these forums would self police and just take their hate threads elsewhere. I’m not holding by breath, but that’s what I hope.
@CaptAmehrican @RiotDemon @tinamarie1974 There are just a few political threads. They are not overtaking the forums, fortunately. It’s not that big a deal to skip over them, is it? Personally, I don’t care either way. Ban them, delete them, whatever. If they’re here, I’ll post my opinions (or more likely - facts), if they’re not here, I won’t worry about it.
@CaptAmehrican @onlyonetruth my statement was very clearly for all political threads, not just this one. I just fear it will get worse the closer we get to November.
@CaptAmehrican @tinamarie1974 As I said above, I will only post threads as a response. There are deeply damaged fools who many of you may agree with politically, but whose rhetoric and ad hominems should have no place here (or anywhere - those people truly suck). If those few persist in soiling the forums with their filth, then I will add my contributions as well. If they take their hate elsewhere, you’ll never hear from onlyonetruth here again.
@CaptAmehrican @onlyonetruth @tinamarie1974
Will we still have to hear from therealjrn?
@DennisG2014 - So this must be thefakejrn? Aligns perfectly with his cult leader.
@DennisG2014 @kdemo I am surprised therealjrn isn’t on here posting a shit storm unless of course this is him. Has he posted anywhere recently (well on here since he, as usual, trolled me out of the blue and then trashed me making up all sorts of crap the other day), since this thread started? Whomever it is thinks they have good reputation to protect - which also tells me that whomever he is he knew he was going to behave like an unmitigated jerk on this thread. No need to hide who you are if the plan is to behave in a thoughtful, intelligent adult manner on a thread where it would be known in advance people won’t agree.
On the other hand unless he is lying about being in health care and having a wife (and he could be to throw people off), then it isn’t therealjrn as he is divorced and earns his living renting out real estate he owns. Of course trj has no problems lying as he does that about me all the time.
@DennisG2014 @kdemo @Kidsandliz why won’t anyone actually tag @therealjrn?
@DennisG2014 @kdemo @RiotDemon Hoping he stays out of this based on how he has expressed himself on political issues in the past if someone doesn’t agree with him? At least that is why I am not. This thread is right up his alley and hopefully it would have blown over before he started posting again or this thread will likely have gone downhill even more than it already has. He had multiple political posts deleted early this year on one thread where that were being used in a wholesale trashing of me. Thread had nothing political in it nor was it about politics until his posts. Those posts were way over the top, repeated, incredibly vicious and even though I was ignoring them and only responding to something else he kept going on and on and on with them. Someone else had joined in on the trashing too. Also incredibly out of line and over the top and her posts were deleted as well. Before that happened I didn’t even realize moderators could/would delete posts. But yeah, that is why I am not tagging. I was hoping if he is busy with something else hopefully this thread would have been buried enough it would not have come to his attention.
@DennisG2014 @kdemo @Kidsandliz but if y’all are going to open talk about him, it seems fair that he knows it’s happening.
@DennisG2014 @kdemo @RiotDemon He doesn’t @ me when trolling me much/most of the time. I stumble across much of it by accident.
@DennisG2014 @kdemo @Kidsandliz call him out on it then.
Because I really do think it’s him.
By tagging him, you’re giving him the option to say, “what? Oh, I haven’t even been reading these forums, now I get an email notification that people are making accusations behind my back? I do like this onlyonetruth fella, though. He sounds smart.”
Without tagging him, he’d have had a harder time concocting a story of why he’s been silent this whole time - on a topic that has always been irresistible trigger-bait for him - and then reappeared without being summoned to claim he’s not the OP.
In any case, OP hasn’t denied it.
@DennisG2014 why would he deny it? It’s easier to lay the blame on someone else.
Just fucking stop already. He calls you out for wildly varying things you post depending on how you want to appear at the moment.
Poor cancer you with a gofundme has 1 cat that’s 17 and you got as a kitten.
Good hearted generous you has 5 special needs cats you rescued.
Perfect tenant you with an evil landlord you has 2 cats that are allowed on your lease.
And that time you said you never posted your gofundme yourself and I stopped looking after I found 5 times you presonally had posted it? Your response? She’s a bully and a troll and I’m being persecuted and you need to remove this post.
The internet never forgets even if you hide your profile.
@sammydog01 The one posted in Nov posted was not posted by me. And in fact I have not posted that url. I did have an earlier one, much earlier, that I got meh’s permission to post.
@sammydog01 Shall we start calling you out for being nasty to others too? I have read some pretty nasty comments you have made to me and a handful of others on here in the past.
Of course each time you folks bring up my gofundme to then trash me for having one, it reminds people I have one. Since I am not doing it this is helpful. Thank you.
@RiotDemon Good point.
Do what? Oh, I haven’t even been reading these forums, now I get an email notification that people are making accusations behind my back? I do like this @onlyonetruth fella, though. He sounds smart.
That KaL though, she has some screws loose and a BIG problem with her memory.
She’s nothing but a scheming grifter folks.
@therealjrn And you live with me, have access to my medical records, finances and my personal life. Got it. Carry on. Your character is showing.
You freak out when people point out the inconsistencies in your “stories” and then you say they are “nasty” and “attacking” you. Just keep your grifts consistent is all I’m asking.
@therealjrn You are right we need a divorce. Your first wife warned me and she was right. We can’t have a decent relationship just based on our mutual love of cats.
@RiotDemon See, told you so. He’s nothing if not predictable.
@therealjrn not to change the subject (lol), but how are those kittens doing? Everyone ok?
They’re GREAT. I just took a video of them to post but it didn’t turn out good. I’ll try later.
Surgery? What surgery? The first couple of days Snickers napped a lot but today, a week later they are tearing around like nobody’s business.
Did you get your puppy?
@CaptAmehrican @onlyonetruth Again, why do you feel like it is obligated to go both ways? You are not entitled to equal time for your opinions. If you want to make your case like an adult and can sway people that way then cool but your assumption that you are entitled to spew garbage simply because other people have a political opinion that is different to yours is a bit weird. If you are that upset by the people here why don’t you just go somewhere else? Somewhere you feel more welcome? Like under a rock.
Scariest News in some time: Recent Fox News poll reveals that when polled about what they want from the government, for the first time ever, a majority wants the government to “lend me a hand” and a minority wants the government to “leave me alone” This is a clear reversal of long standing previous results. Makes me worry about what happens when there are too many folks in the wagon and not enough folks pulling it!
@ajdillon All that proves to me is Conservatism has yet again proven to be a failure. People want a hand because they need a hand. People need a hand because of the failed Coronavirus policies of this president. What you should be worried about are all of the sick and dead Americans that could have been prevented by a Coronavirus policy that was more cohesive than “it’s going to go away, like a miracle”.
@ajdillon @patti The trouble is there is a segment of society who doesn’t believe there should be any safety net in the USA, including some in power and including at least two who have posted about that on meh while trashing someone for using a portion of it.
The collateral with the current lack of a covid policy includes a heck of a lot of collateral damage too that wouldn’t have had to happen as well. (although I am sure there would have been no way to prevent all of the collateral damage but it could have been a lot less than there has been).
@ajdillon both parties are in the hand out game at the moment. Under Trump the Republicans have dropped their fiscal conservatism. There is no major fiscal conservative party anymore, it’s just a matter of where the government spends money. Either helping people out; or vanity projects like massive walls, unnecessary military branches, self-glorifying parks etc.
It would be nice if the Republicans returned to their roots of fiscal conservatism so that there was some balance. The debate is no longer “should we only spend within our means or not?”
Now the debate is “how should we spend to expand the national debt that our kids and grandkids are going to get stuck paying?”
I’m an independent and a centrist, and I like balance. I think there needs to be one hand trying to help people whilst another hand is steadying the ship and reminding us to be responsible. Now we have two hands digging in the government coin purse from both sides with no restraint (and I really do think the current administration is wasting a lot of money on really stupid shit). Record levels of national debt growth… from a Republican, even before Corona virus hit! Is it too late to have a different Republican nominated? I’d vote for Jeb or Romney at this point.
@ajdillon @Kidsandliz Oh I’m aware. They scream about Social Security as an entitlement when I pay into the system every month. Should that percentage be increased? Probably. But is it a handout when I pay into the system? No. Same for unemployment insurance, etc.
I mean, these are the same people who scream about how they are being discriminated against due to their religion but they don’t seem to act like Christians when it comes to their fellow man.
@ajdillon @patti I’d agree. The screams of the far right “christians” and others about their displeasure with the US having any kind of safety net is rather ironic - not to mention the politicians many of them voted for have worked to make it as hard as possible for people to get unemployment compensation, made sure it pays out as little as possible and for as short a period as possible (and there are differences between states both with how many weeks you get and what is the maximum you can get). It would be interesting to see how they’d use religion to justify kicking people when they are down rather than helping them.
Interesting to see that poll posted in one of these political threads where many have changed their stance, at least temporarily, when they then find they unexpectedly need to use portions of our safety and find it isn’t enough to even meet basic needs rather than live the high life they presumed took place. I do wonder how many of those who find themselves suffering from the covid fall out will revise their opinion over the need for a safety net as this month they will see just what what it is like when you have to choose between needs (never mind wants); where the choice has to be things like not take your meds needed for serious medical conditions because you won’t have money to pay the rent, etc.
@ajdillon @OnionSoup I don’t disagree with that. The problem here is Democrats seem to try to tend to both sides, cut back on military, use that money to shore up the social safety net while Republicans typically say yes more money for bombs, business, and billionaires, and screw the poor.
@ajdillon @patti in general you’re right, but it depends on the Democrat and the Republican. I’ve found when in comes to the economy that’s where politicians are more likely to break with their party on what is important to spend money on. Need to look at individual rather than the party they belong to.
I definitely feel like a lot of people need help right now.
I do roll my eyes at these universal payments being sent out though. Sure, who doesn’t like free money; but they could be more targeted. I have a steady job, have lost no income as a result of virus, and although grocery prices have gone up, I’m seeing no personal hardship because of virus economically.
Why did I get almost $4,000 for me,wife and kids… It’s irresponsible. The money should have gone to those that need it. Not in-the-middle people like myself. I’m not rich, but I’m not stressed either, I was getting by without money.
Basics of economics. If you borrow money (You being person, government, or entity) you pay back interest and can end up paying multiple times in interest what the initial borrow amount was for. National debt makes us all poorer in the long run.
People need help, fully employeed people with decent jobs don’t.
Guess what I did with my stimulus check? Same as almost everyone else. Paid off my debts and then saved the rest. That money hasn’t gone to kick-starting the economy.
The money needs to be more targeted and go to those businesses and people directly impacted who have lost income as result of virus.
This “free money” we’re giving to everyone isn’t free. We will have to pay for it with taxes two-fold or more over the length of the debt. Our kids and grandkids will be paying for these stimulus’s. And that’s Ok if the money went where it was needed instead of to everybody who didn’t need it too. (Like me… Not that I’m going to return it).
I want to stress, I’m not against helping people that need help, but I think government is wasting money majorly.
@ajdillon @OnionSoup I don’t think anyone thinks free money is free, I think the issue is what you are prioritizing in your society? If your society prioritizes a path to health (universal health care) and education (maybe not free school but subsidized) then you get a healthier (which saves money on health care and insurance) and better educated (better jobs) society. You prioritize money on weapons and defense you get a military state. There has to be a balance and there shouldn’t be shame in receiving help from the government, most have paid into the system and deserve to take back out.
As manufacturing shifts overseas and retail crumbles, there is going to be a long term income crisis in our society. If we don’t figure out how to invest in fixing that now and we let the wealth disparity continue to grow there will be an entire generation basically left behind.
I think it’s time for that conversation. We’re seeing that happen locally with the defund the police movements. It doesn’t mean just slash their budgets, it means slashing those budgets and using that money to take care of problems the police shouldn’t be responding to.
@ajdillon @patti I don’t disagree and some things are an investment. Health care and education as you listed for example. People balk at “socialized medicine” but we pay more than twice as much as any other industrialized nation and have lower average levels of care, higher preventable mortality, etc. I blame insurance companies and the perpetual upwards feedback loop caused between insurance and providers for cost.
We don’t have a capitalist medical system now. There is no downward price pressure or balance between scarcity and cost as in other systems because prices are obfuscated. A nationalised health service would save everyone money: rich and poor.
Public health SAVES money. Individuals and businesses pay less and productivity goes up of workers. Win for everyone except the insurance companies.
Education is an investment too. Educated societies make more money and pay more taxes. Education is a profitable investment.
And people who are against “socialized medicine” I find tend to be pro “socialized sports”, public funded institutions housing sports and entertainment putting private ventures out of business and competing (fiscally, not on the field) against free market institutions.
If people want to slap “socialised” label on things which are for public funded… How about they take up arms against “socialized sports” too. Or socialized concerts… Lol
@ajdillon @OnionSoup Agree agree agree! Nice meeting you Meh friend.
@OnionSoup @patti Thank you to both of you for some common sense!
@cinoclav @OnionSoup Agreed! Also it’s nice to agree with some former goats!
If you buy the premise, you buy the movie. 1000 words describing a falsehood, and the falsehood is that charlottesville is the centerpiece of Bidens campaign. I don’t know any democrat who thinks charlottesville was the pivotal part of biden’s convention or biden’s campaign. You’re parsing Trump’s words, again, translating in a way that all MAGATS are forced to…“here’s what trump said…but here’s what trump really meant”. It’s complete fucking nonsense to try and pull one kernel of corn out of trumps fucking sewer pipe of a mouth. Trump’s a f#cking racist, and to his supporters that’s not a bug…oh, he’s also a misogynist, a liar, a whoremonger, a fraud and a rapist.
@SCHORERT I think you need to post here more often.
@cinoclav @SCHORERT Yes, this is the sort of constructive and informational comment that educates, informs, and entertains all at once. Bravo on your witty insights, and do carry on edifying all of us with your insight. Orangemanbad doncha know.
I waited a while for some of you Biden folk to condemn this kind of talk. Didn’t happen, huh? Take a long look in the mirror, dems. You’ll see where most of the hate in this country comes from.
@onlyonetruth @SCHORERT I see exactly where it comes from. It starts from the top. People have been absolutely inflamed and given legitimate reason to show their hatred. And it’s all been okayed by your führer. You claim to have started this stupid other account because of the way one person spoke. Now you berate another person for doing the same. I’m quite sure if their comments reflected your own tortured opinions you wouldn’t have an issue with them. There’s that hypocrisy again.
@cinoclav @SCHORERT I didn’t berate anybody. Not in this comment, at any rate.
I can explain this to you, but unfortunately I cannot understand it for you: it is the “leadership” of the left stirring hate and fomenting discord, violence, and the destruction of the united part of the U.S.A. This isn’t hard to see - you just have to open your eyes and allow yourself to recognize what the left has done (and is further doing with increasing vigor) to this country.
You did say one thing that’s almost true, though you didn’t mean it that way: “People have been absolutely inflamed and given legitimate reason to show their hatred.”
Yes. That’s why you got Trump. People got sick of the left and voted for someone who was clearly anti- all of that crap. But it wasn’t about hate. It was never about hate. It was and is entirely about love - for country, constitution, natural law, individual rights, personal responsibility,and American decency.
You people decided that “Making America Great Again” was a racist and hateful slogan. Those of us who understood what this country was and should always be, and could see what was happening to this country through the tragic leadership of the left and the RINO right, wanted instead to be great again.
Those of you who disagree - who want your violence to be your speech, and who prefer to silence our speech as violence - you are the reason you will get Trump again.
@onlyonetruth To berate IS to condemn. It is what you’ve done all along.
As much as you think I should see it from your point of view, you need to do the same from mine (and the majority here from what I’ve read). The hate and discord, the violence and destruction has not just been expressed by the right, it’s been promoted by them. The approval of the alt-right and the white supremacists is despicable. Now I know you’re going to say, “but Trump denounced the alt-right.” Yes, he made one statement days after he was put on the spot about them. Guarantee he doesn’t believe one word of what he said. The proof is in seeing the actual response to those people, which has been absent by this government.
You seem to forget that Hillary received more votes than Trump. Yes, more people in this country showed that preexisting love “for country, constitution, natural law, individual rights, personal responsibility, and American decency” by voting for her than him. More people believed in what existed than those that wanted to change it.
I have a huge problem with the MAGA slogan. This country was already great. It hadn’t stopped being great. That slogan has nothing to do with the state of the country as it was recently. It has everything to do with returning this country back to the days of white supremacy. The days where we polluted the country with coal The days where we carelessly destroyed the environment by drilling wherever the hell we felt like it. The days where we looked with contempt upon foreigners who wanted to live in our country.
Little fact about me. I was a Republican once. Then I saw how their policies did nothing to help the common man. How everything they did was to fill their own pockets. How nothing ever trickled down. The rich got richer, the poor got poorer. How they wanted to remove social programs, all while their followers were the largest users of those very programs. (Yet were too ignorant to understand the rug was being pulled out from under them.) See, I actually read and researched and learned something about the parties and how they work. I was able to form my own views and opinions without having a bunch of biased reporters tell me what I should believe. So feel free to continue contesting everything I say and I’ll continue to refute it.
Or realize that this is getting you absolutely nowhere and just give it a fucking break already.
@cinoclav No one on the right supports what you call the “alt-right”. Your party has created a narrative that they stick to diligently, but it is built entirely on a false foundation. I don’t know, or care, how many alt-right people there are out there. A few hundred? A couple thousand? They are a rounding error in any demographic you want to lump them into. They certainly do not represent or share anything in common with the real Right. Your side was strategically very cunning in coining that phrase, and has used it to the desired effect. Well played, I guess.
With that said, the Marxist organizations who are now all over the place causing very real harm and destruction, who are murdering 5-year old kids, and wrecking society as we know it are now the mainstream of the left. They are your party’s defining face and platform, to the extent that you have a platform beyond OrangeManBad. They are not a few misnamed outliers, but the people who are leading your candidate and his running mate around by leashes.
There is no moral equivalence here. The Right hates and condemns what you people call the alt-right. The Left is now Antifa, blm, and the other hate-groups that are vowed to destroy everything America is until they get their way.
You hate the MAGA slogan because you fell for your party leadership’s con. Control the language and you control the argument, right? No one who supports MAGA would even consider that your description is something anyone would aspire to. I don’t know how you would write something like that and not worry that you’d be perceived as insane! You accepted the “definition” of conservatism that your leaders spoon-fed you, and have been programmed to hate it. You accepted the hatred and misconduct your leadership supported under the false definition of liberalism, and accepted it because you believe in the ideals of liberalism as it is actually defined.
I was once a democrat. Briefly. When it came time for me to vote in my first presidential election (Clinton, Bush), I did a LOT of research to figure out what democrat and republican meant. I saw that the democrat policies inflicted upon this nation not only impoverished the people it was purported to help, those policies kept them held down. Democrat policies did so to the obvious enrichment in power, wealth, and scope of the democrats who wrangled control. To this day, the race-baiting, pandering, and social policies, now coupled with the frank support of outright violence and destruction of communities, perpetuates the same goals.
I’ll just leave this here. I’m sure y’all will have a field day with this.
And the excuses will start in 3… 2… 1…
@Mehrocco_Mole Ah yes, a handful of students reinforcing their support for their chosen candidates represent the entire Democratic party, caught us .
Meanwhile, 80% of the Republican party doesn’t realize that Puerto Rico is part of the United States of America…
@patti Well, they have a slightly better idea now that Chump tossed them some paper towels.
@Mehrocco_Mole @patti Here’s another fun game.
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @patti They are all cut from the same cloth.
@cinoclav @onlyonetruth @patti Sorry @cinoclav, it appears @patti won this round with the first posted excuse. At least her excuse made sense. But hey, keep trying. Who knows, maybe someday you too can be a winner.
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @onlyonetruth What excuse? If you want to pick a handful of people and deem they are representative of your party I can do that too. Shall we start with Alex Jones or Qanon?
Your stupid gotcha video is just that…stupid and says more about you that you’d decide a dozen college students being tricked by a zealot is the proof you need that the 65 million+ people that voted for Hillary are all non-critical thinkers.
@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole @patti To be fair, probably only a few hundred legitimate, but irreparably misguided, voters voted for Clinton. The rest were Russian bots, Chinese plants, illegal aliens, legions of multi-voters, and every resident of the cemeteries.
@onlyonetruth Still waiting on the answers to a few questions I left you upthread. You can add proof of voter fraud to my list of questions.
@patti Nah. All he wants to do is share his conspiracy theories. It’s the Trump way. Keep repeating it and eventually everyone (without a brain) will believe you. Every comment like the one above reduces his credibility. Not that there was any to begin with.
@onlyonetruth reminder - no curse words in topic titles.
@Thumperchick Got it. I just copy/pasted the title of the article, but from now on I’ll self-police that sort of thing.
Do any of you think you are actually going to change the other sides mind or are y’all arguing just to argue?
@Ignorant no one is going to change anyone’s mind. just like no one will convince me okra is delicious.
@carl669 slimy and disgusting. Okra is nasty too.
@carl669 @Ignorant okra is the most foul of all vegetables.
I remember once pre covid friends told me “you have to try this buffet so good”. This large church near me would sell lunch to raise money, had a big buffet open up and my co-workers all loved it.
It was horrible. They had fried chicken, but it tasted of fish because they fried it in the same oil as the catfish. I like fish, just not catfish.
They had lots of vegetables but every single vegetable was mixed with okra. Cabbage (and okra), green beans (and okra), potatoes (and okra).
It was by far the worst eating experience of my life. Too much okra by far.
Oh, and as for changing people’s mind… Will never change the OPs mind or others set in stone. People will dig their feet in. There might be some people who can be saved though casually reading.
I see this as most important election of my lifetime because I feel if we continue down the same path democracy itself could be severely eroded.
4 years ago we had three separate and equally powerful branches of government. We had an apolitical post office. An apolitical FBI and military. We had allies who could count on us and us on them. We could count on states to receive help from federal government when emergency struck regardless of which party the governor was a member of. 4 years ago when someone said “leader of the free world” they weren’t referring to Angela Merkel, they were referring to POTUS.
We’ve lost a lot in four years. What will happen in four more years? Will we even have democracy?
Long answer but, most people won’t change mind, but it’s really important we try.
@carl669 @Ignorant There is a way to cook okra so it’s delicious. Oven-roasted with paprika. All the slime goes away. Otherwise, it’s disgusting.
This this this.
@Ignorant This isn’t an argument and it certainly is not a debate. No conservatives are suddenly going to become liberal/progressive/socialist and no liberal/progressive/socialists are suddenly going to become a mature, thinking adult. The conservative leaning folks will leave something like my previous statement or a simple meme and then sit back and enjoy the resulting frenzy. We usually don’t even have to leave a comment on the meme to get the l/p/s folks to take the bait. And take the bait they do.
For a political party that insists that “Love Trumps Hate” they sure can spew some venomous, vile, and immature shit.
Okay all you l/p/s folks. Here’s your bait. Flame on.
@Mehrocco_Mole so you are posting just to troll? Please follow the original rules of the forum.
@Ignorant This isn’t trolling. It’s entertainment. But I can think of a few people who need to be reminded about the H atespeech rule.
If you are baiting people, you are trolling people.
Nope. It isn’t trolling if you truly believe what you’re posting.
Drawing people out to demonstrate their hatefulness isn’t trolling. It’s reinforcing the message.
Posting a belief and then commenting on the expected reaction is not trolling. It’s pointing out the reactions and calling them for what they often are.
Posting something for the sole purpose of starting an argument or calling someone derogatory names trying to get an angry reaction is trolling. As I first said, “This isn’t an argument…”
Now as a representative of Meh I would hate to think you are targeting ANYONE due to their political beliefs.
@Ignorant @Mehrocco_Mole Yes, one person trashing a police car represents all 65 million Americans that didn’t vote for Trump.
This is a ridiculous statement. I couldn’t care less about anyone’s political beliefs. The rules go for everyone, you were just the one that said you were posting stuff as bait.
This is the last reply I will be making to this thread. We are all adults, let’s treat each other as such and be kind to one another.
@Ignorant @Mehrocco_Mole @patti Ironically, that top picture is of a Costa Mesa police car that was caught in the middle of a rally. What kind of rally? It was a Trump rally and the crowd there is what happened after it let out and the people gathered on the streets.
@cinoclav @Ignorant @Mehrocco_Mole @patti Ahahaha - I have no idea if that’s true but it would certainly fit the Trumpist’s habit of being equal parts loud and wrong and getting outraged over even a hint of other people doing what they and their leader do constantly and consistently.
@cinoclav @Ignorant @Mehrocco_Mole @patti @DennisG2014
I’ve never seen either of the first two images, but I went looking for the top one of the guy jumping on the police car.
The story isn’t 100% clear, but it does look like the guy jumping on the car was one of the protestors against the Donald Trump rally that was taking place. However, it also appears that this actually happened six months before the 2016 election.
@therealjrn lol. Civil injustices still occur. We had 1 black President and a small fraction of the total population are fortunate and talented enough to be elite athletes. Racism solved! Give me a break.
@medz Seriously. I don’t see other civilized nations dealing with the hate and racism we do.
“Over 1,000 Hate Groups Are Now Active in United States, Civil Rights Group Says”
Is this real? Because if it is…dayum, this is funny. haha
@cinoclav @medz @therealjrn It’s not real, but of course you would believe it is…
At least half a dozen professors at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School have called on the University of Pennsylvania to investigate an allegation that Donald Trump paid another person to take the SAT exam on his behalf and was therefore fraudulently admitted to Wharton. The professors—all of whom teach ethics at Wharton—believe the university should revoke Trump’s 1968 undergraduate business degree if a probe can confirm the claim originally made by his niece in her best-selling, tell-all memoir published last month.
@Felton10 Whoa - you’re an SAT-er! Y’all do love your conspiracy theories, doncha?!
@onlyonetruth Not as much as Trump loves his. Anyone who doesn’t think that Trump paying someone to take his SAT’s for him isn’t a real possibility given all the shady and illegal things he has done-well keep drinking that bleach to sharpen your mind. Just keep trying to track down that pedophile ring that Hillary runs out of a back of a pizza parlor that seems to be Trump’s flavor of the moment.
@Felton10 What fun it would be if he actually did… You leftys would lose your minds – correction – you leftys’ heads would collectively explode (though with so little in them there wouldn’t be much of a debris field)…
I would *pull out the popcorn to watch the Very-Smart-People-Y’All on your various “news” sources clutch their pearls and bemoan the Constitutional-Crisis-Y’All that would no doubt Destroy-America-Y’All and on and on and on 24 hours a day. And then of course it would turn out to be just another democrat hoax, but that would never, ever stop your “news” sources from carrying on anyway.
@onlyonetruth Instead of pulling out the popcorn, you would probably pull out your dick and jack off which is what you spend most of your time doing anyway.
@Felton10 Well at least you continue to live down to the level of class we’ve come to expect of you. Consistency seems to be your strongest trait.
@onlyonetruth And you continue to show despite your coherent writing, you are a total idiot. Any clear thinking person can see that with anything Trump says or does, it is all about him and not about us. It is hard to believe someones head could be that far up their ass to not see that.
@Felton10 I think you’re just angry about someone having a functional dick. It is nice, I gotta say. You wouldn’t understand.
@onlyonetruth I can understand why someone who has a third grade education, lives in their 20 year old car, works for minimum wage, has 5 teeth in their mouth and married their first cousin would look to a snake oil salesman like Trump to improve their life. Stupidity and mental retardation is a lethal combination and you have both. Why don’t you slither back under the rock from which you came.
@Felton10 Well then how would I meet charming and brilliant analysts such as you, to show me the darkness of my ways and lead me into the lightness of Woke??
In all seriousness, my life is pretty great. I want everyone to achieve their version of the American dream. That’s why I am a conservative, and why I support Trump. I’d like to improve your life.
Saving you leftys from yourselves does get tedious, I’ll admit. It’s like the terrible-twos when raising toddlers. You stick with it because you hope that in the long run your efforts work out. You don’t need to thank me or anything - this isn’t something you would understand. But that’s what conservatives are standing up for - so that even utter morons devoid of common sense, perspective, or vision have a chance to succeed.
And to be accurate, I have 6 teeth.
@onlyonetruth I’ll compare my educational level, bank account balance against yours any day. It goes without saying I am more intelligent than you.
@Felton10 If it goes without saying, why do you say it so often? You’re a pissed off millennial, who blames your failures on “the system” and Trump and everyone but yourself. Your fragile ego cannot accept that your meaningless life is the product of your own constellation of personal shortcomings. Everyone with even a modicum of perception can see this as plain as day.
I have also come to realize that you don’t know what the word “intelligence” means. I’d define it for you, but to quote one of your sage mentors, what good, at this point, would it do?
Melania Trump gained permanent residency under the EB-1 program, a program designed for people with “extraordinary abilities”. We know is wasn’t due to her command of the English language.
@Felton10 What astute point are you trying to make here - that you’re more a sexist, racist, or xenophobe? Your comment is a concise amalgam of all three. I commend you on your brevity, but you should maybe reconsider your bigotry, eh?
Is Felton’s comment acceptable, @thumperchick?
@onlyonetruth @Thumperchick I will re-consider my post if you explain to me what was her “extraordinary ability” that allowed her to leap pass more qualified and deserving applicants to gain permanent residency.
You really do just spew words without any concern as to truth or accuracy, don’t you.
I guess you could say that making fun of the way she slaughters English is vaguely xenophobic.
Please quote the parts that you believe constitute sexism and especially racism.
Beside the point that those things aren’t even implied in what he wrote, aren’t you on team “political correctness bad”?
Explain how, if you believe sexism, racism, xenophobia and bigotry are unacceptable, you can defend Donald Trump.
You have a habit of just inventing “facts” out of thin air and lying just to try to win an argument. You don’t seem to grasp that it only makes you more wrong and completely disqualifies you from any sensible debate. It’s also what makes me believe you’re therealjrn.
In any case, the ability to suck a golf ball through 10 yards of garden hose truly is extraordinary.
@DennisG2014 @Felton10 I’m just holding you accountable to the same rules of political correctness your “thought leaders” created. Since every single thing that Trump or conservatives say is judged according to the arbitrary and draconian “standards” that suit the left, it’s only fitting that you be held to the same. You people made these rules, friends.
Dennis, I would like to see you prove your boast about the golf ball thing. I’ve never actually seen a democrat with enough work ethic to get a meaningful job done, so I’m guessing you’ll give up before you get even 3 yards in. I guess you’ll still get a trophy for participating, so there’s that.
Thanks for reinforcing the point I was making about you.
You claimed non-existent sexism, racism, xenophobia and bigotry just to try to score a point against Felton.
Accusing someone of something they didn’t do, but the person you’re fighting for does constantly, is not a way to win an argument; it’s a way to win over credulous, weak-minded, cognitively biased fools.
@DennisG2014 @Felton10 As I said, your ideology created the rules upon which those with whom you disagree must be judged. It’s only fitting that you folks be held to your own standards. I know you don’t like it, but again, you made it.
If you would like to enter into a bizarre competition, in which we point out the things that the one side does constantly, but pretends instead that they’re pure as the driven snow and relentlessly blames the other side for, I am absolutely game.
Here’s a partial list of categories in this game that you will lose mightily:
Spoiler alert: you will not like the results of this game. Rather than lashing out, maybe take a moment to reflect on what I’m talking about here. It’s all true, though you won’t know that from the cartel of “news” sources that you seem to frequent as your exclusive echo chamber of “knowledge”. So many millions of people get it, and none of them need to prance around the internet screeching about how intelligent they are…
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth Again, you’re proving my point about you…
You don’t know my ideology, I didn’t make any standards or rules, you don’t know what sources of news I frequent.
You just say things to try to score points in an argument without any regard as to whether the person you’re targeting has ever demonstrated any hint of what you’re accusing them of.
When someone challenges you, calls you out on some kind of bullshit you spewed, you don’t even bother to defend what you’ve said, you just turn it around on the person challenging you.
PLEASE QUOTE THE PARTS OF FELTON’S COMMENT THAT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS OF RACISM, SEXISM, XENOPHOBIA AND BIGOTRY, or admit that the claim is not supportable and was made in bad faith.
That list is just another ridiculous attempt to distract from the accusation I made against you because you know that your claim is not supportable.
What you’re doing is essentially saying, “I know you are, but what am I… LOOK! SQUIRREL!”
I’m not taking the bait.
You made a claim about Felton’s comment. I called bullshit on that claim. Put up or shut up. Either back up your claim or admit that it was just a bullshit attempt to troll.
edit: also, I just realized after rereading your replies that the claim can now be plausibly made that you have stated that you actually think that sexism, racism, xenophobia and bigotry are just fine.
You really are so much worse at this civil discourse thing than you think you are. It’s amazing.
@DennisG2014 @Felton10 I see that some of my comment was lost on you. Yes: I think that most accusations of racism, sexism, xenophobia, and bigotry are bullshit - by far. Until watching the left in action, it would never have occurred to me to hurl those accusations every time someone I had a philosophical disagreement said something I didn’t like. As a person of color who grew up in a rural part of the country, I can tell you that America in general is none of those things.
As pissed off and perplexed as you are at my misuse of those terms is how pissed off and perplexed a great many of us are that we cannot try to have a discussion with most of your ilk without enduring an onslaught of such slander.
If you look elsewhere, I offered to answer whatever questions Felton wanted to ask me about why I am conservative. My only condition was that he agree to converse without devolving into ad hominem hate. He declined that. I am therefore addressing him (and you, since you jumped in on his team) according to the standards that define his general discourse on this forum.
I’ll say it again, if you want to talk without this kind of crap, then lead the way. Otherwise, this is what you get. The same as you give.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth Every time you reply, lies and all, you just reinforce all the things I’ve said about you.
Your whole reason for being (as a sock puppet) is an act of bad faith.
Creating a persona strictly as an effort to somehow right a perceived wrong by being more wrong is just plain foolishness.
I always regret engaging with you, as I have in the past with the hand inside the sock, but sometimes the fruit just hangs too low to resist.
Problem with you is the fruit is always rotten.
Your only aim is to dominate and demean in retaliation for people pointing out how truly horrible a person the man you idolize is.
You’re the kind of person who will do and say anything, even things you know aren’t true, so long as you never have to back down or admit that you’re wrong.
I see right through you and your disguise.
You have no clue who or what I am.
@DennisG2014 @Felton10 I’m still just waiting for you to say something (well something that isn’t a direct paraphrase of orangemanbad). I idolize no man - I just seek objective truth. You keep wanting to talk about me instead. We can do that - there’s lots to talk about. But let’s talk about you for a moment.
I know exactly who you are. There are lots of you, and you’re all exactly the same. You might feel like you’re a unique individual, but what you call “diversity” - a series of skin colors, genders, etc. is only the external wrapping. How you think, what you think, when you think, are all part and parcel of the only party line you are allowed in order to belong to your lefty cult. There is no room for dissention in those ranks. Whoever first noted that you are NPCs in life got it exactly and incontrovertibly right.
I know exactly what you are.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth lol Thanks for proving me right yet again.
Keep waiting. Hold your breath while you wait. You may turn blue. That’s ok, blue lives matter.
That is the first and only true thing you’ve said. I agree wholeheartedly, and thank you for closing on a positive note on which we can both agree.
@DennisG2014 @onlyonetruth If you were even interested in participating in a worthwhile dialogue on substantive facts, you would have answered my question about what were Melania Trump’s extraordinary abilities instead of accusing me of every bigotry in the book. I find it interesting you would include sexism in that list since the person you look up to the most has a well documented history of assaulting women (which he admits to in the access Hollywood tape), cheating on his pregnant wife with multiple porn stars and walking into the dressing room of teenage beauty contestants while they are changing. I am sure you will dispute the above but where there is smoke there is fire.
And if you are as intelligent and successful as you claim to be (which based on your rhetoric I seriously doubt), you can’t dispute the fact that making up petty names for people and bullying people and companies is beneath the Office of the President of the US.
@Felton10 @onlyonetruth Many people say therealjrn always, always has to have the last word.
I wonder which impulse is stronger, maintaining the persona or getting the last word…
@DennisG2014 @Felton10 That actually sounded like legitimate discussion points, so I will respond to them. You won’t agree, which is fine.
First, it seems odd that you would be concerned about the proper channels of immigration all of a sudden. It’s also curious that you would suddenly care how a woman got what she wanted, given your support of Kamala Harris and her techniques. With that said, the controversy to which you refer is entirely manufactured. Mrs. Trump is not the first, nor will she be the last, aspirational and/or successful model to be granted an E1-B visa.
“…in a typical year. Athletes, scientists, doctors and economists are among the most common recipients of green cards under the EB-1 visa program. Models, however, are also included as potential recipients, especially if they have an established reputation and a real need to enter the U.S. to pursue their careers.”
I am guessing you are still just flogging this dead horse because you still think it has political value. But I’ll explain, again. He was clearly making a crass joke. Given the diction you use in a public forum, I imagine the things you say when you think no one’s listening are appalling. A rich playboy makes a crass joke to another guy in private, and suddenly you’re clutching your pearls, unwilling to release them for years…
Maybe, maybe not. He said, she said… I never said, nor would I suspect many supporters of his believe, that Trump isn’t a jackass. Trump probably knows he’s a jackass. I would not doubt, and I in no way respect, that he probably did cheat on his wife, likely with women who he paid.
Whether this affects his ability to enact good policy is an odd thing to debate. Given that the left has very few criticisms about Clinton, Kennedy, and the rest, I just can’t take your vapors about Trump’s potential indiscretions seriously.
Biden, who publicly and awkwardly sniffs women and children, gropes and grabs them, and has a long track record of making them very uncomfortable in his presence, however gets a pass. Trump crassly jokes about grabbing pussy, and Biden is plausibly accused of actually doing it (in an nonconsensual fashion - Trump made clear in his joke that at least in his case, “they let you do it”).
Yeah. Never disputed it. However, I have seen what has become of the US under the offices of the Presidential ™ presidents over the past couple of decades, and I’ll take an uncouth jackass with a desire to make meaningful positive policy achievements any day.
A columnist named Salena Zito once perspicaciously recognized that Trump’s detractors “take him literally but not seriously”, while his supporters “take him seriously but not literally”. I think that’s the truth of it.
I know. All of this makes me even stupider than you previously thought, and yada yada. Now that that’s out of the way, I would be interested to know why Trump’s outward foibles completely preclude your ability to concede that there has been anything at all that he’s done that’s worth support. Is he really the single worst human being to ever have walked the earth? Really?? And therefore all of his supporters need to die miserable deaths (I’m paraphrasing something you once said - feel free to correct me with your actual quote)?
@DennisG2014 @onlyonetruth “Models, however, are also included as potential recipients, especially if they have an established reputation”-established reputation I had never heard of her had you? Don’t think anyone else had either. There was the issue that she was working here when she had a visitor’s visa which is illegal and the White House promised to provide documentation that that was false, but never did. Guess you missed that tidbit watching Faux News.
After complaining about Obama and the rising deficit for years what did the Republicans do-pass a multi trillion dollar tax cut that primarily benefited the rich. And how do I know that-I am a CPA and saw which of my clients had to pay more and which less and it became clear the little guys got screwed losing the dependency exemption, misc itemized deductions being eliminated completely and a 10k cap on tax deductions.
Cutting regulations to benefit business primarily in the environment area. You may not care if you are in my age group, but if you have any children or grandchildren you may be interested in them living on a planet where one can breath the air and the hurricanes are not so strong and frequent that they wipe out whole cities. And why promote and try to bring back coal-it was dying-there is nothing you or I could or should do about it-let it die a normal death. Same for getting rid of consumer protection regulations so we can have another financial crises when people who were given loans they shouldn’t have default on them.
And maybe you haven’t noticed everything is always about him. You have to be blind to not notice his self dealing and how much money he is putting is his and his cronies pockets. Maybe that doesn’t bother you. Or the fact the he complained about how much Obama played golf and said he wasn’t going to have time to play golf. Maybe I wouldn’t care how much golf he played if he actually did some work instead of spending all night tweeting nonsense and formulation polices after watching what those idiots on Faux News say.
And what about all the people he has appointed-he promised to drain the swamp. HA HA all the qualified people have left in disgust-of the goobers left-not one of them is qualified for their position. The only qualification to work in his administration is that you kiss his ass, tell him constantly what a great guy he is and never tell him he did anything wrong.
And as to your point that so what that he is an uncouth jackass and a horndog. There aren’t too many jobs in this country that should have a person that we can be proud of and look up to. Trump is a despicable disgusting individual and to overlook what type of person he is says a lot about you, your morals and what your value system is.
@DennisG2014 @Felton10 Thank you for the actual replies. I am out of time to comment or reply this evening but will try to address this tomorrow. I disagree with most of your assessments, primarily because they are based upon political hit jobs that you have accepted as fact.
I would be saddened by your assessment of my qualities as a human being, but someone who can support Biden and routinely speak of others the way you do cannot possibly be an arbiter of decency or morality. Thanks for your thoughts, though. If it saves you time in future comments, you are welcome to consider them understood to be present. You can thus spend more effort on your actual comments. I do read them, and learning from others is (believe it or not) something I value. I promise I will silently append your concluding sentence to every one of your comments.
Again, thanks for taking the time to mostly stick to topic.
@onlyonetruth Also I would appreciate you not making lefty generalizations I am not one, but feel that a President should be able to speak and read beyond a third grade level, should show empathy and compassion should listen to experts, should not be all about himself, should not lie or exaggerate every time he opens his mouth and should know the difference between allies and enemies; among other table stakes of the office. In other words it should be anyone but Trump now!!!
@readnj I will grant you that Obama was occasionally a decent public speaker, especially when his teleprompters were working correctly. Other than that, how anyone can fail to appreciate that you just described him to perfection is beyond me.
Trump sounds like he’s a regular guy from Queens, a quality that you look down your nose at but that many reasonable people don’t interpret as an indication of intelligence. Other than that, he has achieved a lot in life and is justifiably proud of it. His bombast can be grating, granted, but it’s also just who he is. He’s far, far more compassionate and genuine than anyone the left has ever put into office. You’d have to take off your hate-Trump colored glasses to see that, but that’s what many of us please-not-Trump-in-the-2016-primary guys have come to realize - empirically.
If you’re not a lefty, I’m sorry to have lumped you into that group. Your posts in this thread sound lefty, but if I’ve misinterpreted you I apologize.
@RiotDemon said each topic has its own thing. Maybe people will stop bumping them up.
Stop bumping these!
We need to quit bumping ALL the political threads, not just the anti-Trump ones.
I agree, stop bumping these threads.