BEER FUKU!
13Non beer folks, tl:dr I fingered some sweet cans of beer.
So, a while back, in an unrelated thread, @sohmageek and I went back and forth a little bit about beer, geography, and shipping.
Fast forward through 34 emails (yes, @sohmageek I counted), and LOOK WHAT SHOWED UP ON MY FRONT PORCH!
@sohmageek went on the hunt and found some amazing and very rare beers. Opening this box, I had a smile on my face like I haven't had since kids were born. Beer fuku is the best kind of fuku there is! In return, I'm going to send him some amazing and rare if you live outside of Michigan beers.
This got me thinking. If @studerc can do this with not beer, why can't we do it with beer! @sohmageek gave me some really good reasons why not:
- Age limits
- Shipping restrictions from specific carriers
- dunnage
- this costs actual, real, money- and sometimes quite a bit of it.
So, meh community, here's what I need. Poke holes in the idea of a beer fuku. Then, fill those holes. Can this work?
Beer exchanges happen all the time. Can we leverage our geographic span, tight community and love of good beer to try beers not available to us?
You tell me.
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I think it can, and it sounds like a great idea. I know myself and @brhfl could come up with some Maryland beers that would be hard to find for most.
Tall Tales Brewery
Evolution Brewery
@mfladd I've been summoned to a thread… wait, I've been summoned to a beer thread, excellent! Yeah I'd be in. Can get the limited release Flying Dogs that may or may not be in wide distribution? Also, my favorite find of the year:
Approaching the season where I'll try the Vanilla Porter… (Edit: not my pic, yanked from their site, not sure why one of their cans is printed upside down… hah!)
Had an Evo Sprung last night. Mmm.
@brhfl Just bought an assorted 12 pack of Flying Dog. Loving the Pearl Necklace Oyster Stout.
@brhfl dat cider tho.
@hollboll That one's new, and I haven't actually seen it yet! I'm excited to try it though. Kind of live in cider country — while folks around here are just starting to figure out that they can grow hops, they've known how to get drunk off of apples for a loooong time!
@brhfl sounds like my kind of place.
@mfladd I don't know what distribution is like on FD's 'brewhouse rarities,' which are 8/yr one-offs, or their single-hop IPAs which are 4/yr one-offs. The rarities are hit-or-miss, but always interesting. Out right now is…
…which is not quite what I hoped it would be, but still damn tasty. Yet to come this year, among others, is a spiced pear ale; next year will bring such curiosities as a sea salt caramel brown, a peach saison, and a hibiscus grapefruit radler!
@brhfl so in for the hibiscus grapefruit radler. I love me some grapefruit! Sea Salt caramel brown also sound interesting. Since I travel the ES a lot for work I thought I would do a search. Damn, there are a lot more breweries than I knew of here. I have had 16 mile. How many of these have you had?
http://www.shorecraftbeer.com/breweries.html
@brhfl
@brhfl so in for the hibiscus grapefruit radler. I love me some grapefruit! Sea Salt caramel brown also sound interesting. Since I travel the ES a lot for work I thought I would do a search. Damn, there are a lot more breweries than I knew of here. I have had 16 mile. How many of these have you had?
http://www.shorecraftbeer.com/breweries.html
I also can get my hands on the EVO specialities such as:
Or Seacrets Tropicale
oh shit I double posted again! Stupid Goat!
@mfladd I went to the MD craft beer festival this year, largely because I could walk to it which meant I could drink everything. But I made a point of hitting the breweries that don't get distributed around here, most of those being in the OC area - that day I tried something from OC Brewing (tried their watermelon mint beer, and I liked it more than HoHW), Assawoman Bay (Marzen… tasting notes: 'pretty good'), Backshore (my notes say I enjoyed their hibiscus saison, but either that was a one-off or I mixed up breweries). Mully in Prince Frederick had a delicious but confusing IPA, whatever hops they were using must have been fairly uncommon. My notes sucked, because I planned to take them on my phone, which was at like 10% when I entered…
@hollboll you are interested in hard cider???
@sohmageek very!
@hollboll http://www.citizencider.com
http://www.woodchuck.com/age-gate/ http://www.shacksbury.com
http://www.stowecider.com
http://www.wyders.com/wyders-cider/
Vermont does Hard cider... right :)
@sohmageek @hollboll Two of the best out of MD are Millstone Cellars and Distillery Lane Ciderworks. Millstone is a much more beerlike cider (believe it's largely in the yeasts they use, though they do even go so far as to make a hopped cider). DLC is a much more winelike cider. Both approaches delicious. I've been to DLC quite a few times, they sell all sorts of crazy apples from their orchard as well — some as large as your head, others like delicious little crabapples.
@sohmageek I actually really like Woodchuck. Have some at home right now. I think Wyders was my first cider I ever had. Didn't realize it was from VT! I'll definitely try out Citizen Cider and Stowe Cider.
@brhfl, I'll try those too! I'm not huge on beer itself, so maybe I'll start with Distillery Lane Ciderworks. Thanks for the recommendations!
aren't there laws about shipping alcohol? or does that just apply to retailers and not individuals?
@carl669 don't be a buzz kill
@carl669 there are laws that say you can't sell and ship, and using USPS to ship alcohol is currently mildly illegal (which is like sort of pregnant). FedEx and UPS manage alcohol shipments all the time.
Really, I think the issue is about sales.
@marklog and it's not a sale if it's a trade...or something
@carl669 Think of it this way: They wouldn't even HAVE those laws if they didn't know, with certainty, that people would be breaking them. By doing this we are actually providing justification for said law, and giving it purpose. This makes us the most important facet of our great legal system.
@DaveInSoCal
@evbarnstormer So everybody says 'I love you, man!' which makes it a gift because that's what friends are for. And drunken beer shipping is not yet a crime, because of not being responsible when under the influence, as long as you don't operate a motor vehicle while in commission of said mailing.
@OldCatLady this thread is about beer trading, not demonstrating how drunk you are right now.
This sounds like something I'd be interested in. I'm in Boston, so easy access to Trillium, Night Shift, Mystic, etc. Also the occasional Tree House.
@becca
I am in for Trilliam and Treehouse. Let's make this work
As we work through this, here are a few resources:
http://spiritedshipper.com/ - a place to get a beer bottle shipping boxes. not necessarily necessary, but a great help for the lazy and paranoid.
http://seekabrew.com - put in your state and another state. Breweries will be listed by what is available in either or both of those states.
I'm always looking to try some new beers. But I'd have to be certain of the recipient's age. The money doesn't bother me - I'd spend it on beer anyway.
@hallmike agree. trying to figure out how to do this balanced with privacy will be the tough one. maybe just as simple as requiring 21+ for signature.
@marklog are there a ton of people on here that are not 21?
@abrakke I would be shocked but it is something that we should consider
California here. I'm game. You only have an std if you go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. It's only illegal if you get caught.
@marklog 34 emails and you haven't told me if you like it yet ;)
@sohmageek I'll let you know tonight. I'm putting the Heady Topper up against a two month old Epiphany IPA from Foundation in Maine.
So. Excited. Probably going home early.
@marklog I enjoyed heady topper
@connorbush it was great. I benefited from this deal. Epiphany on the other hand is still above it. Probably the best IPA I have ever had. So anyone in Maine?
@sohmageek that was a great box. I am helping marklog put together a top notch box for you!!
@abrakke awesome Glad you liked it. The wife and I are splitting a can right now. We don't get it that often :) just cause I can. Doesn't mean I do.
@sohmageek @marklog was giving me blondes and fruit beers as a guideline. Any other styles?
@abrakke I'm pretty much good with most anything. I'm not the biggest on ipa. But my wife has been into them more and more. I also love a good stout. I've acquired a few woot stout. They are amazing! Reminds me of meat whistle from magic hat.
I live in Tampa, Florida. Home to an astounding burgeoning mecca of beer. Cigar City, Rapp, 3 Daughters, Green Bench, 7th Sun, Cycle, Coppertail and on and on and on and on and on.
@Bingo I've been to every one of those except Coppertail. Also, Pair O' Dice. I loved that Pit Boss. I think you and I might need to talk separately :)
@Bingo love some CCB. Living by there is definitely a plus
@Bingo I live in Tampa too. Was wondering if anyone would mention CCB. Coppertail has some great brews too. As well as Fkorida Ave IPA
@shells Both of you may be my new best friends. Feel free to contact me with an idea of what you would like!!
@shells I would love to know what they have available in bomber bottles right now. Good gourd? Marshal Zhuckov?
Technically I'm in St Pete so if Shells is actually in Tampa and wants to do the CCB stuff i can cover the St Pete stuff fit anyone who wants
@Bingo love St Petes. That is going to be our retirement spot. It's great. And great beer too
@Bingo So my grandparents use to have a condo on treasure island (boca ciega bay). I use to go there for vacation every winter for a week. I have great memories of walking out the sunroom door and fishing all day long. When you crossed over onto treasure island there use to be a mini golf course called Gulf Golf. Does it still exist?
p.s. I may have asked you this before. I can't remember.
@mfladd I don't think so. Though there is a Smuggler's Cover Miniature Golf in John's Pass which is just over a drawbridge to the north of Treasure Island.
Maybe we need a beer.horse? @shawn?
@marklog 2nd this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
@Humper - you'd enjoy this, I think.
A lesson we learned the hard way once - do not skimp on the beer dunnage. You will be sad when the FedEx dude drop kicks your package and you lose a bottle.
They say only to use FedEx or UPS, but my buddy uses USPS all the time for this. In fact, one time, one of the bottles broke, and USPS re-boxed the wet box inside of a dry box and finished sending it to destination. Haha. So who knows.
@phatmass
Yeah but I don't think it's worth the risk. USPS is probably cheaper but if you get busted could get way more expensive.
I am in...the 21+ signature required should cover it.
I heard beers! I love beers. This sounds like a fun idea.
I live in Atlanta. We have decent beers.
This sounds awesome and is something I would love to participate in (time/funds permitting when this happens).
But I think it would need more strict rules/requirements than the fuku exchange. We're looking at $20+ for shipping and at least that much more in beer, plus a few trips to breweries. With that much effort and money it would be so much more disappointing to get a lame box. While I don't think anyone will intentionally be jerks and just send a $1.99 can from a gas station, without some minimum requirements there's a chance someone will send out 12 different beers and get a box with like 3 of the same.
People also need to make sure to send beers that have limited distributions. Don't send out a box full of Stone beers because you're from San Diego and it's local.
@metaphore you're sort of on the right track. rules post is on it's way, I have all of your concerns covered or ignored.
@marklog rules post on the way?
@marklog @metaphore I don't think everything has to be limited distribution. Let's not carried away. I think the fact that someone is getting to experience any beer that they would not otherwise be able to taste is enough (local). Make it too time consuming, such as brewery trips, and we will find very limited participants. Also, I participated knowing very well that I might not get what I sent out.
@connorbush https://meh.com/forum/topics/beer-fuku-1---secret-santa-style
@mfladd Yeah, I was nervous to enter this because of the disparity of the goods sent and received from the mehrican exchange. But then I thought, only do we become disappointed when we start off with expectations--then I said fuck it I love surprises and I participated anyway. I also find that beer-people do not usually screw over other beer-people.
@marklog shipping from Los Angeles to East Coast was $30 for shipping FedEx adding on 13$ more in packing cause anxiety.
@connorbush ugh. I'm really sorry about that. I will make sure to give you someone closer next time. Did you buy the label online? I went to a pack and ship place and they told me $25, but when I did it online it was $12.
@marklog I tried usps, they wanted $45 just to ship. Then went to FedEx they wanted 25 then when I decided to pack my box in another box it jumped to 30 plus twelve for materials. It's my own fault. Next time I'll pack properly at home then buy online. All is good in the hood.
@connorbush you have a good idea there. Just pair a Midwest person with a west or east coaster. Half the distance for all.
@connorbush yeah it's not like we are short of midwesterners....
@connorbush @marklog I suppose people could request shorter shipping distances, but I like the randomness.
Holy Crap! Mine was $30 also from east coast to the midwest. FedEx ground - cheapest rate!
@mfladd i'm going to take screenshots and post, to make sure that we're all doing it the same way. I mailed from MI to VT, and MI to MD and both times it was $12.50.
@mfladd How heavy was that? Did you print the label yourself?
@marklog How'd you get it down that far... Mine was 14-15 when I shopped from VT to MI and VT to TX
@sohmageek it was 16lbs and i printed it myself.
@mfladd @marklog @sohmageek I have found that FedEx home delivery is substantially cheaper than even their standard ground delivery which is cheaper than UPS, just a pain in the ass to find a drop-off location. I used UPS for most of my boxes in this beer festival solely due to convenience of the drop-off location. Have one more package to send off to @abrakke, sorry, it has not made it out yet :(
@cbilyak and by home delivery you mean they come pick it up from your house? I may have to look into that
@abrakke No, Home Delivery is one of FedEx's shipping services it will be cheaper than FedEx Ground if it is going to a residential address.
@soomass I find ground and home delivery about the same price.
LOOK WHAT IS AT MY HOUSE WHY AM I NOT AT MY HOUSE!
@marklog Oh good, it made it. A box of random goodness, and if I am correct, none of the contents were on the list of beers that have entered your belly. Do you have surveillance cameras that you peruse for packages delivered when you are not there? Also, I think a gentleman by the name of @abrakke may be by soon...to share in the indulgences by force if you do not offer to share of your own free will.
@cbilyak damn, too late to delete the post!
No camera, but I do get awesome notifications from UPS Delivery Manager.
Thank you so much! Expect retaliation.
@marklog No worries, all but three of the bottles are the 22 oz size, plenty to share.
@cbilyak damn I wish I could go home sick..
@marklog Wait... Someone just purchased a 12 pack, and slapped a label on it... and it worked? Awesome UPS delivery all the way around. :P
@sohmageek it looked to be a repurposed wine box. the cardboard segmentation was awesome. I'm glad that it was still bubblewrapped, but overall a great way to do this.
@marklog @sohmageek Repurposed liquor boxes, wine diapers...I CARE about the adult beverages I send, therefore I am anal in the details. No alcohol abuse here, breakage/spillage is a crime in my house.
@cbilyak specially the liquid gold you send.
@cbilyak I didn't mean to have a spillage issue when sending... But... it was a new cider place that I think they went cheap on the stuff... But I didn't really like their stuff :( I feel bad sending out things untested, but I wanted to get from a few different places.. Sorry @hollboll, did you try anything else yet? :)
Mine has been delivered!
Zombie Dust...just thought I would share. Want to Three Floyd's yesterday to get some Backmasking stout and they had a big sign that read No Zombie Dust...super popular.
@cbilyak Wow... I take it that it sells out super quick? I know when Alchemist had their taproom open they used to have a 1 case limit on Heady, and they'd put a sign up... Generally they said you could get it for the first 3 hours they had it... But then after they sold out you could still get samples. They had it in kegs there for consumption on site in samples only (they didn't do pints from what I remember.) I assume someone could order a keg of it... That may be awesome, but They also prefer it to be canned. If I remember correctly they only did full kegs too.. not the little logs.
@sohmageek zombie dust sells out super quick. Both at the brewery and stores. If I am correct you almost need to know the store owners to put it aside for you. Unless you are @cbilyak and then you just have the mother load of 3 Floyds at your disposal all the time to send out. Which I hope to take full advantage of with @marklog. Thanks again.
When is next Mediocre Beer Exchange–Unofficial?
I’m ready. Details shortly.
@marklog Sweet. I am in a new area of the country with new beers to try. Super pumped to share with others!
I want to be part of this.
As long as it’s not just for hop-heads, I’ll be interested
Not an attempt to threadjack, but this thread should have the right folks in it… Recommend me a Growler. Please.
there’s a beer store about an hour south of me that is the only place within reasonable drive time to get a certain imported brew i’ve had a few times, and liked.( it is supposedly “readily available” in the US, but i’ve only found this one store within 100 mi or so…) they also have one from a small local-ish craft brewery that I want to try, but it’s only available on tap…
if i can find a way to justify the drive (I’m not driving an hour just to buy beer, I’m not a complete drunk yet…), I want to get a case of the first, and a growler of the second.
so what say you, beer drinkers of Meh?
preferably insulated, 64 oz, won’t break the bank on a cashier’s paycheck.
Suggestions?
@earlyre http://stanley-pmi.com/store?Action=DisplayProductDetailsPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=stanley&productID=333520800
Sturdy
Insulated
Classic looks
Hard to break.
Easy to use
Easy to clean
@CaptAmehrican @earlyre I have this I would not reccomend, for you purposes. It is single walled. I’d reccomend double walled. It is okay for quick short trips. It is not the best for longer journeys or temperature regulation.
@earlyre Here are top 5 choices compared from a certain source.
https://www.outsideonline.com/2070501/what-are-best-insulated-growlers
I like this one though and it is decently inexpensive.
https://www.amazon.com/45-Degree-Latitude-Stainless-Insulated/dp/B014X6GXCK/ref=sr_1_9_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1475540837&sr=8-9&keywords=beer+growler
Stanly is a great brand, mentioned above, they also make a double walled version I believe. I have not had great luck with single walled so I might be biased.
@connorbush http://stanley-pmi.com/store/stanley/en_US/pd/productID.325301600
I thought the steel was the same as the blue one i own except cheaper. I own this blue one and it keeps beer cold for hours.
@connorbush @CaptAmehrican I just got the steel one on clearance at Target and I love it, but yeah, it is different from the vacuum one. It only keeps precious beer cold for about an hour, and you can’t (or shouldn’t) use it with hot drinks.
Speaking of beer drinking containers, I love my Contigo “solo red cup” insulated cups.
@CaptAmehrican @connorbush @earlyre Stanley vacuum growler is only $37 on Amazon: 64oz. I actually prefer the smaller one for better portability: 32oz
@compunaut 64 oz ordered.
@compunaut the smaller one hss benefits; however, for the use case above, I’d be hard pressed to drive an hour to haul back only 2 pints.
@earlyre do be mindful of growler etiquette and maintainace. The beer has a shelf life once filled, it changes once opened, and must be cleaned appropriately. Most of all, have fun!
@marklog have you visited griffin claw?
@Yoda_Daenerys i have, in fact up until this summer i could crawl home from there.
@marklog we were neighbors