@duodec “back in the day” anything with equipment in it (especially bigger stuff) needed to be massively air-conditioned to keep the equipment happy. The humans be damned! We’d learned to keep an extra sweater or light jacket in the office for those occasions.
Ceiling fans are a lifesaver at home, since I don’t have A/C, but for on-the-go, I love these little fans that plug into my mobile phone. Surprisingly, they haven’t overheated or drained the battery. I hope nobody tells me they are bad for my phone . Meh should sell them.
I’m a big fan of tiny fans, with the hard plastic blades that catch you when you get them too close. The soft blades just don’t generate enough air flow. But you can’t find them anymore.
Fun fact: In Thai, fan (แฟน) means girlfriend. I don’t have one, but I do want one I can fanboy over.
Also, Thais value family, so when they’re making small talk, one of the first things they’ll ask you is your relationship status: “Have a fan?” The term is actually gender neutral and Thai doesn’t really do pronouns, so a good way to deflect is say “yes, back at my house,” then when they ask “her” name (literally just “name what”) answer “Toshiba” or “Hitachi” or whatever company makes the floor fan it’s a given you have. Most of them understand what fan means in English, so it’s a good laugh.
@unksol Ha, well I guess the average Thai’s brain isn’t as dirty as the average American’s. Or maybe Hitachi isn’t known for that over there; they do make a lot of fans (I only had two fans and they were both made by Hitachi). I don’t think that ever crossed anyone’s mind.
/image hitachi floor fan
Or maybe if they did think of that, they didn’t mention it and were just being polite. If there’s one thing Thais are known for, it’s politeness.
Request for input: SO demands fans to be left on in unoccupied rooms to keep them cool. This applies when leaving the house for multiple days. All ceiling fans must be kept on 24/7
What say you? Does a fan cool the space or merely evaporate sweat to reduce body temp? (This does not include moving cooled air from one space to another warmer space)
@accelerator No, fans don’t cool the area, but they could theoretically circulate enough cool air back onto the thermostat that it registers a cooler temperature for longer and thus takes longer to turn back on. Also, theoretically, more circulated air keeps the house fresher and keeps mold from spreading.
Still probably better off just leaving the A/C on, though, since it’s designed to circulate air efficiently throughout the whole house, and one A/C unit is more power efficient than 10 fans plus an A/C unit.
Turning on the fan only in occupied rooms makes you feel cooler for less power, since you don’t have to pay to cool down the rooms you aren’t in.
Signed, a Floridian who keeps the A/C at 78°F and makes up the difference with fans and ice water.
@accelerator The fan motors generate some heat, even on the lowest “just stir it a bit” setting. The fact that there is air flow means that air is being mixed, so that the temp in the room will have less variance, but as this also implies that the air flow will be increasing the convective distribution of heat from any warm surfaces to the rest of the room, and carrying heated air to cooler surfaces where some heat may be transferred there to warm them, the overall net effect will usually be a slight rise. What a person entering the room will observe can only be evaluated by knowing the exact parameters of the room and the person.
Overall, the net effect will absolutely be that the house will have the heat from the fans’ power consumption added to the external heat load, with a net effect of “warmer”. The AC system will respond by running just a bit longer.
They should be turned off and the thermostat should be raised significantly if you’re going to be gone for days. That is a whole ton of waisted energy and introduced heat.
Same applies in winter. If you’re gone for days turn it way down just not low enough to burst a pipe.
If she’s extremely sensitive to the temp, I suggest a smart thermostat, like a Sensi, but many alternatives. You will usually get a rebate from your utility and you can raise or lower the temp a couple hours from home so it equalizes by the time you get there.
If you really wanted you could do the same with the fan switches.
If you really really wanted you could do all this without telling her… And shed probably never know… But I think that’s a really bad idea in a relationship so…
I’d lean toward a let’s just try it approach/show you what we save.
If you wanted to monitor the energy being used. Some switches do it. One of the cheaper/better ways at the breaker box is an emporia.
Now mine is a vue 2 not a vue 3. But the core chip and circuitry is still EPS32.
Technically if you wanted you can mod these to take emporia out of the loop completely and send to a home assistant server or somewhere else.
But their app is… Not bad. And the response time is good. Literally to the point that if I’m watching the graph on the second scale to see if something got turned on on the circuit I’m checking, if I click on an 8 watt led I’ll see it. Or go back to the minute and see where it was on a different one. I wish it had more advanced charting but there are some APIs
I can literally go to a group I’ve set up for breaker 19 and just start throwing switches and see if that switch is related to that breaker.
But you also get whole home power use, by breaker. By second/minute/hour/day/month.
As an example at the second scale
I know what’s going on in those rooms and why.
I’m watching TV and the basement dehumidifier happened to be on
At the day scale
Well I spent most of the day at work and wasn’t running anything up stairs
@accelerator@werehatrack
Basement living has the dehumidifier
Basement bedroom is the office. Laptop cranks up when I’m doing stuff.
Kitchen west has the outlet for the fridge.
Garage b has half the garage panel but that’s mostly the freezer I believe.
Basement central has the networking equipment for reasons .
I’m not sure what’s up with the deck branch but I didn’t run the HCAV and the well doesn’t run much.
But you can get a lot of interesting info if you want.
HVAC being a heavy hitter if it’s hot and depending on your temp setting
![enter image description here][1]
This looks like the Disney princess version of Wonder Woman in some dark-mirror universe where the whole world looks well-groomed and “friendly”. Wonder Woman meets Truman Show.
@mediocrebot@tinamarie1974 we’re doing OK. A little concerned about elkcirP who’s in Charlotte, NC, but he fared pretty well. Not so great for other friends west of him.
yekoP is back to normal. Actually spent a week next door when we were on vacation. He loved it so much that when we came home and he stopped doing circles in the living room, I took him out to pee and he made a beeline for next door.
I had the big box fan you used to be able to get for $15 in hardware stores. But that’s not exciting.
First “fun” fan was a retro stainless-steel desk fan looks like it would be in a detective’s office in old B&W TV. It looked exactly like this but was not the Hunter brand…. Because I’m pretty sure I bought it from Woot in very early days (when they were fun)
/image Hunter Classic D12 fan stainless steel
Big fan of quiet fans that move a lot of air.
ceiling fans
@pooflady Floor fans add an extra layer of whimsy and shin injuries.
sure
(Is that nuanced enough for you?)
@hchavers yes
/giphy I’m a big fan
Uh… not really.
If I acquire some, I’ll have an opinion.
with an office full of cold blooded computer techs, I love any fan that keeps my cubicle feeling cooler in the semitropical office they demand.
@duodec “back in the day” anything with equipment in it (especially bigger stuff) needed to be massively air-conditioned to keep the equipment happy. The humans be damned! We’d learned to keep an extra sweater or light jacket in the office for those occasions.
Ceiling fans are a lifesaver at home, since I don’t have A/C, but for on-the-go, I love these little fans that plug into my mobile phone. Surprisingly, they haven’t overheated or drained the battery. I hope nobody tells me they are bad for my phone
. Meh should sell them.
@heartny No purple?
@Kyeh I own a purple one, not to worry
@heartny Whew!
@heartny now those look lovely!!
I got my first vornado off woot, so y’all really started my fan journey
@Kyeh
Sally Rand, the Miley Cyrus of her day?
Better in motion
(For any appalled censors, I believe she is wearing a body suit.)
@Kyeh I fan of her Fans!
I’m a big fan of tiny fans, with the hard plastic blades that catch you when you get them too close. The soft blades just don’t generate enough air flow. But you can’t find them anymore.
I’m a big fan of all sizes of fannies.
@phendrick OMG that sounds kinda kinky!
@mycya4me @phendrick they cannot prevaricate!
I’m a big fan of all fans!
I think all of them are fantastic.
/showme a fan of Fans
Fun fact: In Thai, fan (แฟน) means girlfriend. I don’t have one, but I do want one I can fanboy over.
Also, Thais value family, so when they’re making small talk, one of the first things they’ll ask you is your relationship status: “Have a fan?” The term is actually gender neutral and Thai doesn’t really do pronouns, so a good way to deflect is say “yes, back at my house,” then when they ask “her” name (literally just “name what”) answer “Toshiba” or “Hitachi” or whatever company makes the floor fan it’s a given you have. Most of them understand what fan means in English, so it’s a good laugh.
@Weboh I would be a little more careful with “Hitachi” than “Toshiba”
“Hitachi” is very famous for magic wands which could have a different… Understanding. Given the context
@unksol Ha, well I guess the average Thai’s brain isn’t as dirty as the average American’s. Or maybe Hitachi isn’t known for that over there; they do make a lot of fans (I only had two fans and they were both made by Hitachi). I don’t think that ever crossed anyone’s mind.
/image hitachi floor fan
Or maybe if they did think of that, they didn’t mention it and were just being polite. If there’s one thing Thais are known for, it’s politeness.
@Weboh they make/made a lot of stuff
/image Hitachi
They eventually took the brand name off the
/image Hitachi massager
My understanding is that like most of their products it was well made/effective
Request for input: SO demands fans to be left on in unoccupied rooms to keep them cool. This applies when leaving the house for multiple days. All ceiling fans must be kept on 24/7
What say you? Does a fan cool the space or merely evaporate sweat to reduce body temp? (This does not include moving cooled air from one space to another warmer space)
@accelerator No, fans don’t cool the area, but they could theoretically circulate enough cool air back onto the thermostat that it registers a cooler temperature for longer and thus takes longer to turn back on. Also, theoretically, more circulated air keeps the house fresher and keeps mold from spreading.
Still probably better off just leaving the A/C on, though, since it’s designed to circulate air efficiently throughout the whole house, and one A/C unit is more power efficient than 10 fans plus an A/C unit.
Turning on the fan only in occupied rooms makes you feel cooler for less power, since you don’t have to pay to cool down the rooms you aren’t in.
Signed, a Floridian who keeps the A/C at 78°F and makes up the difference with fans and ice water.
@accelerator The fan motors generate some heat, even on the lowest “just stir it a bit” setting. The fact that there is air flow means that air is being mixed, so that the temp in the room will have less variance, but as this also implies that the air flow will be increasing the convective distribution of heat from any warm surfaces to the rest of the room, and carrying heated air to cooler surfaces where some heat may be transferred there to warm them, the overall net effect will usually be a slight rise. What a person entering the room will observe can only be evaluated by knowing the exact parameters of the room and the person.
Overall, the net effect will absolutely be that the house will have the heat from the fans’ power consumption added to the external heat load, with a net effect of “warmer”. The AC system will respond by running just a bit longer.
@accelerator @werehatrack there is no reason to run fans when you are not there, or in the room.
They should be turned off and the thermostat should be raised significantly if you’re going to be gone for days. That is a whole ton of waisted energy and introduced heat.
Same applies in winter. If you’re gone for days turn it way down just not low enough to burst a pipe.
If she’s extremely sensitive to the temp, I suggest a smart thermostat, like a Sensi, but many alternatives. You will usually get a rebate from your utility and you can raise or lower the temp a couple hours from home so it equalizes by the time you get there.
If you really wanted you could do the same with the fan switches.
If you really really wanted you could do all this without telling her… And shed probably never know… But I think that’s a really bad idea in a relationship so…
I’d lean toward a let’s just try it approach/show you what we save.
If you wanted to monitor the energy being used. Some switches do it. One of the cheaper/better ways at the breaker box is an emporia.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C79PNK84?maas=maas_adg_07203D63BAFE076CC3D562546EEFF604_afap_abs&ref_=aa_maas&tag=maas
Now mine is a vue 2 not a vue 3. But the core chip and circuitry is still EPS32.
Technically if you wanted you can mod these to take emporia out of the loop completely and send to a home assistant server or somewhere else.
But their app is… Not bad. And the response time is good. Literally to the point that if I’m watching the graph on the second scale to see if something got turned on on the circuit I’m checking, if I click on an 8 watt led I’ll see it. Or go back to the minute and see where it was on a different one. I wish it had more advanced charting but there are some APIs
I can literally go to a group I’ve set up for breaker 19 and just start throwing switches and see if that switch is related to that breaker.
But you also get whole home power use, by breaker. By second/minute/hour/day/month.
As an example at the second scale
I know what’s going on in those rooms and why.
I’m watching TV and the basement dehumidifier happened to be on
At the day scale
Well I spent most of the day at work and wasn’t running anything up stairs
@accelerator @werehatrack
Basement living has the dehumidifier
Basement bedroom is the office. Laptop cranks up when I’m doing stuff.
Kitchen west has the outlet for the fridge.
Garage b has half the garage panel but that’s mostly the freezer I believe.
Basement central has the networking equipment for reasons .
I’m not sure what’s up with the deck branch but I didn’t run the HCAV and the well doesn’t run much.
But you can get a lot of interesting info if you want.
HVAC being a heavy hitter if it’s hot and depending on your temp setting
![enter image description here][1]
End of August got hot
[1]:
/showme Wonder Woman waving to her fans
@mediocrebot @tinamarie1974 Wonder Woman / Tinkerbell, as played by Anne Hathaway?
@mediocrebot @phendrick yeah Im not over the top about this one. Ill try again
This looks like the Disney princess version of Wonder Woman in some dark-mirror universe where the whole world looks well-groomed and “friendly”. Wonder Woman meets Truman Show.
/showme Wonder Woman waving to her fans
@mediocrebot @ybmug lol
@mediocrebot @tinamarie1974 Just saw this - guess I haven’t been on much lately
Just so you know, I see WW everywhere now…
@mediocrebot @ybmuG that mrans its working! How are you? How is yekoP? Havent heard much since his dental surgery.
@mediocrebot @tinamarie1974 we’re doing OK. A little concerned about elkcirP who’s in Charlotte, NC, but he fared pretty well. Not so great for other friends west of him.
yekoP is back to normal. Actually spent a week next door when we were on vacation. He loved it so much that when we came home and he stopped doing circles in the living room, I took him out to pee and he made a beeline for next door.
Not a fan
Big fan of all fans, but Big Ass Fans are the best.
I had the big box fan you used to be able to get for $15 in hardware stores. But that’s not exciting.
First “fun” fan was a retro stainless-steel desk fan looks like it would be in a detective’s office in old B&W TV. It looked exactly like this but was not the Hunter brand…. Because I’m pretty sure I bought it from Woot in very early days (when they were fun)
/image Hunter Classic D12 fan stainless steel
Surprised there’s an only fans thread here
@pakopako I was hoping somebody would say something like that. Thank you.
Squirrel-cage blowers.
Only, not if they are “only”?