A quick wipe will help tremendously, but it’s not a sure thing if you’re using these in a high risk environment and that’s a concern.
It’s not worth pinching pennies if the risk isn’t acceptable to you.
FYI, for Costco members, the Kirkland wipes have been coming in and out of stock from the online store ($18, shipping is included, or $0.06 ea.). If they do ever get a pallet in store, I’m sure they’re cheaper.
@Ambiverbal@curtise@mike808, the Kirkland wipes kill Bacteria in about 30 seconds & kill the SARS-CoV-2 virus in about 5 min. BTW, 60%-70% alcohol is advised by CDC, FDA & WHO to kill the coronavirus .
@Ambiverbal@curtise@mike808 If you can find 'em in stock in dangerous meatspace, these packs are 9.99! (I know because I braved it and was rewarded with 4 packs of cheap disposable cleaning accouterments.)
If these are truly 75% alcohol, as someone else posted, it will break down the lipid coat of the coronavirus and inactivate it. I don’t think it specifies if ethanol or isopropanol, but ethyl has a very slight edge over iso, but not enough to worry about, and most sanitizers that use alcohol uses ethyl, which is the same alcohol in beer, wine and spirits as well as gasoline with ethanol. The extreme minimum for either alcohol in any product to work is 60%, but that must be left on the surface longer. Always let alcohol evaporate on it’s own to be most effective. Don’t use a fan or blow on it, or wipe it. If using sanitizer on your hands, only rub hands together long enough to make sure it’s evenly spread after that, leave it evaporate on it’s own. Anywhere between 70% and 80% is good, better than 60% or 62% of some products, however 75% is the sweet spot for the most effectiveness. Alcohol needs some water to help it get inside the lipid coating of the virus, so don’t go above 80% or below 70% if you’re making your own solution, you will most likely be using iso. Any 91% or 99% alcohol will need to be diluted with purified or distilled water to 75% alcohol. You can also add a little 91% to 70% to bring it up to 75%. When you use your own containers or re-use a container, add a little bit (about 3% of total solution you will make) of regular store-bought 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide. Swish the H2O2 around and let it sit for a while, that will kill any stray bacteria spores in the container, alcohol will not kill them. Then add the alcohol and water, let sit 24 hours if you can. I make this and put in a spray bottle, or use and empty rubbing alcohol bottle, and put in a sprayer that fits. The stem of the sprayer may have to be cut to fit in the bottle. I use on surfaces that alcohol won’t discolor, and in a pinch can use on my hands, but for hands may want to add a little glycerin, so won’t dry out your hands, and take that into the % account. I don’t like the stickiness of glycerin or commercial hand sanitizer though. If you use straight, use a moisturizer afterward if your hands are sensitive to drying. Mine are not, I take it straight, just like my shots, LOL.
@Tadlem43 But the cost of the Everclear $$$$, unless you live in a cheap liquor state. The 190 proof (85%) Everclear is illegal in many states and can’t be sold, unless you distill your own. Can’t even find the 151 proof (75.5% - ideal) EC here in Ohio, but can find 151 rum if you want stuff smelling like rum. I’m sure iso is cheaper in many places, but can be hard to find, especially anything above 70%. You can try to find a chemical supply house online who sells 99% iso (I believe iso), may be $$$ as well as very hard to make in that % (alc. will always absorb water even when distilling and can never reach 100%, and 99% need to be diluted. Make sure any alc. is store cap tightly on properly for the same reason. Can use 70% if nothing else available, better than nothing, just takes a little longer to disinfect, but I wouldn’t go below 70% or dilute it with anything.
@kdemo Exactly, methanol with an “m” aka methyl alcohol is very toxic, less than a half shot of pure methanol can permanently blind you as the break-down products attack your optic nerve as well as other organs. 1 shot can kill you. It can be absorbed thru skin, but takes more exposure. If something says “denatured alcohol”, it’s generally ethanol treated with methanol to make it undrinkable. Methanol is always a danger for people who distill their own “moonshine”. You can’t tell by taste, as it allegedly tastes similar to ethanol. Also, never have open flame of very high heat around when working with any alcohols, the vapor is about as flammable as gasoline vapor.
@danexton, you do know ethanol & eythal alcohol are one & the same. Toooo much alcohol can become ineffecient because it will dry Too soon! The surface really needs to stay wet throughout the ‘Kill Time’ to be effective!! Ergo, the best Disinfectant is a Spray! A spray can get into those crevices, cracks, etc. much better than the wipes! A ‘Disinfectant’ is a lot better than a ‘Sanitizer’; they are Not the same! I’m not trying to contradict your wise comments, but only adding, or interjecting more information to help others!!
@danexton@decoratedwarvet I don’t think they’re recommending you wipe down surfaces in your home, are they? Unless someone is sick? I know people think that spraying the shit out of stuff and bathing in ethanol is fine and dandy but I’m not convinced. Especially if there are kids around. Ethanol is toxic too, just less so. Ask any freshman advisor.
@danexton or anyone can just go to the CDC website and find the EXACT, and only approved, medical formulation of “hand rub” which should only be produced in a lab or pharmacy for efficacy and is available pretty much everywhere. If your betting your health on it, it’s probably a good idea.
@danexton@sammydog01, no they don’t, they just say, “Wipe down your hands, and surfaces when away from home.” This was in the specs, but I don’t know what it says before you skip to the description & specs. I’m sure that if you can wipe the surfaces away from home, you can wipe them down at home. They usually state on the label to keep outta reach of chillin, aka, children & as I posted, the user needs to make sure the surface stays wet until the bacteria, or virus is actually killed, otherwise the whole darn process is both ineffective, and a failed undertaking. The ‘Kill Time’ needs to be allowed to succeed, or you’re act’s vanity, ergo, is just fruitless & in vain. Since it Is dry, the ethanol won’t harm the chillin! BTW, the other reason you don’t need 75-100% alcohol is simply bwcause it would evaporate Too fast for rhinovirus, or coronavirus! Most bacteruum are not as hard to kill,. Those organisms can be fn done away with [,or clinically assassinated] in around 30, or so seconds. Of course, as is usual, there are a exceptions!! JSYK!!
@brainmist via Google "Some bacteria such as the Bacillus and Clostridium species are able to form spores. These spores, also referred to as endospores, are the dormant form of vegetative bacteria and are highly resistant to physical and chemical influences.
Spore-forming Bacteria - BODE Science Center www.bode-science-center.com › center › hygiene-measures". Also if you look up the CDC and how to make homemade hand sanitizer, it will say to use H202 which kills bacterial spores. I thought the same at first that just fungi produced spores.
@sammydog01 Always best to use the purest chemicals you can, including water. Tap water contains all kinds of minerals, as well as chlorine or chloramine as a disinfectant, and even low levels of bacteria. Boiled of filtered tap water would be better than straight out of the tap. Chlorine will combine with just about anything and can change it’s properties.
@danexton Come on, none of things will affect this. You’re spraying down a countertop not making an IV solution. If you have enough chlorine in your tap water to be dangerous you need to move.
I love that people are looking into the science and data on this stuff. It’s about time people find out the real numbers and don’t go with the click bait we get from the press. But you’re looking at things to be done by stores and restaurants. And those numbers? They’re trying to kill every thing in sight. And they picked nice round numbers because you need numbers. It doesn’t mean that 65% won’t work just fine for your shopping cart handle.
I’m not a doctor but I bet the liver damage caused by constant ethanol exposure (or isopropyl alcohol or any other alcohol) doesn’t balance with the value you get from disinfection. Or the CDC would tell you to do it which they don’t. Walmart is a nice ventilated place and your kitchen is probably not. I would be shocked if there aren’t people with lung damage from Lysol at the end of this.
We had mask discussions here early on with data about two or three ply and polyester and cotton and members were stating with certainty that one thing was the best. I looked at the testing they did to get that data and it was a guy with a leaf blower.
So I go with the CDC and wash my hands. And wear a mask. And use hand sanitizer if I don’t have soap and water. And I don’t overthink it.
@Trinityscrew thank you for pointing this out! I almost got some because they are marginally cheaper than the ones I bought from Quill/Staples (both of which have free shipping, no minimum). Those are 6x8 which is a good size.
I use them to clean my hands, phone, keys, steering wheel, etc. They’re much better than most disinfecting wipes - they have a lower required dwell time, they’re cheaper, have no lingering smell, etc.
@eilatan99 Apparently a small number of stupid and or desperate people (15-ish) drank hand sanitizer with methanol alcohol in it. Some died.
Maybe they thought, “Methanol, ethanol, same difference!” Either way, here’s a tip. Don’t drink hand sanitizer or suck on moist towelettes regardless of the kind of alcohol it contains. You’ll be fine.
At least they’re not doing completely batshit crazy shit like telling people to shoot up bleach. I mean, what kind of sociopathic idiot would even mention something like that?
Kids, and adults, have been drinking alcohol based liquids for a high for ages, nothing new there. And I guess that would be about as smart as ingesting fish antibiotics. Still there is a warning on absorption into skin with methanol, so if i have a choice, I’d like to avoid it.
@eilatan99@mike808@sammydog01 Meh. Any of the alcohols can be absorbed through the skin. From the web:
“Isopropyl alcohol is quickly absorbed through the skin, and large amounts applied topically can also be inhaled. This can lead to alcohol poisoning and other problems.”
Singling out methanol for the warning makes no sense. It’s dangerous if you ingest it. About dangerous as isopropyl.
You’re not likely to encounter problems with ANY sanitizers or wipes if you don’t ingest them. Cheers!
@eilatan99@Trinityscrew, not really!! The methanol can, does & has absorbed into a victim’s skin! Though not Killing them, they were sickened, blinded, etc which may have, in some cases, been nearly worse than death!!
@eilatan99@mike808@sammydog01@Trinityscrew, I think he was refering to what Cheeto tRumplethinskin said!! I think he said that about Lysol though, not Bleach!! Cheeto also, said that he thought there may be a way to ingest Ultravilot Rays, or somethin like dat & Yes, it was at a White House briefing, so it was recorded for prosperity!! You may be able to view the video briefing on YouTube if you want, or don’t believe Mr tRump would say that!! He Would, and he Did!!
@decoratedwarvet@eilatan99@Trinityscrew When I look this up I find a ton of cover your ass info, one rumor of a guy that spilled a gallon on his leg and went blind, and a thorough study of someone who jumped off a building and landed in a puddle of methanol with head injuries.
I think the danger of skin absorption is vastly overstated.
I think the danger of vast quantities of ethanol and isopropyl alcohol are understated.
So maybe wash your hands and don’t try to sterilize everything you own.
@decoratedwarvet@eilatan99 Speaking of contradic(k)ts, if you understood that I meant drink when I used the word ingest, why did you feel it necessary to mention it? I guess I should have said “orally ingest”. I’m sure you understand that.
@eilatan99@Trinityscrew, Trinity-screw, I have to presume that you didn’t understand what I meant! I will explain [1 more time & hope & hope this time you actually read & understand my comment Before your ego/pride takes over & you feel you have to save face]. Maybe, re-read my comment & take into account what I post below,…for clarification & JSYK!!
First, you posted, “Any of the alcohol can be absorbed through the skin.” In your last sentence you posted, “You’re not likely to encounter any problems with ANY sanitizers, or wipes if you don’t ingest them.” The word ‘Ingest’ Never played any roll in my darn comment because I was simply pointing out the ‘Absorption’ process, not the ‘Oral Ingestion’! If you can’t comprehend that then, please, just ingest it with a grain of salt because I don’t care about taking part in a pissing contest!! Maybe, try a female; you should be able to piss further than some woman, but, then again, I wouldn’t wanna asume anything!! BTW, do, please, remember that this plat-form is not ‘TOPBUZZ NEWS’!!
I pointed out that any alcohol is absorbed through the skin in my first sentence. I used “ingest” in lieu of drink/swallow in my last sentence.
The amount ingested through the skin is negligible unless you’re bathing in it or otherwise abusing it. My actual point was that methanol is generally no more or less dangerous than isopropyl alcohol so I don’t understand why the CDC is running around issuing warnings about it. As for ethanol, Cheers!
@eilatan99@Trinityscrew, I see you read other’s comments as a ‘rant’, but excuse your rants as trying to make a point!! Ha, Ha, Ha,… very convenient!! Maybe, you shoulda used capital letters just to prove you need lessons in the English Lexicon. You should learn the difference between the term ‘ingest’ & absorb, which I did foolishly think you did. My Bad!! Ask Google, or, please, check out a Webster’s Dic(k)tionary. You probably think your a genius like Mr Cheeto & won’t believe it even if it’s written in stone. Regardless, ingesting a substance is done through the mouth, unless you snort cocaine. Other words for ingest are, swollow, gulp, swig, guzzle, etc. When, on occasion, it is used to mean absorb, it means mentally, e.g. ingesting a matter, or knowldge into the mind- food for thought!! BTW, you shouldn’t equate exclamation points with a rant, or rage because they are just used to exclaim a thought & only takes the ability of one to tap a keyboard,… nothing more! Sorry!! You must not ingest salt, but, do keep in mind that some nut on a rant is Not gonna repeatedly use the word ‘Please’…they just don’t! JSYK! I did feel a bit of frustration because Americans get so wound up their finger, thumb, or stylus fn moves faster than their brain, so they can’t even grasp what they’re posting. That other whining that you did, I have no idea what you posted, but I hear you clucking!!
@decoratedwarvet@eilatan99 First definition if you google it: Take (food, drink, or another substance) into the body by swallowing or absorbing it.
You’re nice! You must be one of those tolerant liberal types!
@decoratedwarvet@eilatan99 And assuming your handle is accurate, I would thank you for your service, but you mention Americans as though you aren’t one. I’ll just say I admire that you served, regardless of where or how you did.
@eilatan99@Trinityscrew, if tou mean, am I a Cheeto lover, no, I don’t like Liars, nor Pedophiles. Nonerheless, I just knew you are a MEGAT, so now you know what I was trying to push you to ad-fn-mit!! LOL!! You really did surprise me though, I thought almost all tRumpeteers didn’t use Google since Faux News doesn’t urge, or encourage their fans to use it, nor even do Any research. If you go to those coveted & enlightening so-called rallies, I just wobder how many tRumpetts you hear say, “Yeah, I couldn’t stop absorbing aaalll those KFC buf flow wings! & dem chicken legs!” Really, gimmi a break. [BTW, Yeah I had to pass on that coffee Mutt n Jeff, or wha-da-fuck-ever coffee crap, so see, we Can agree on somethin] LOL!!
@eilatan99@Trinityscrew, look under 'People Also Ask: What do you mean by Ingest?? Read That! … But let’s just say, I Am wrong!¡¡! I Give Up,…so what, so I’m freakin wrong!! My Bad! See,… it’s not That hard to admit when you’re wrong & even though I’m Not, I can relent just to show how easy it is to concede a matter just to make the other fella feel better!! Anyway, Take Care & Stay Safe!
This is overkill, as the CV is almost always spread airborne, and only rarely by surface contact. And washing your hands or using a good gel sanitizer after shopping or errands is effective. As is wearing a mask, social distancing, NOT touching your face, wearing gloves & discarding them after shopping, etc. These small wipes might be helpful if you have a family member quarantining at home, but I can think of no other circumstance.
@MrNews It’s overkill, but for someone who’s at high risk and forced to work around others, it’s understandable. My dad’s at high risk (type 2 diabetes and breathing problems thanks to Agent Orange dumped on him in Vietnam) and works as a security guard, so he has to check trucks in and out at the gate with a clipboard. He’s really worried about COVID-19, and tells me he uses Lysol on his hands, the clipboard and the pen after every truck. I’ve told him that just soap & water would be fine, but he’s so worried that he goes overboard.
Frankly I’m okay with that, because I’d rather he do overkill than be lax and catch it and die.
@KevinS10 Totally agree. I am on major immunosuppressive meds for IBD, so if I even catch a cold, it’s a big problem. I haven’t been to a supermarket in six months, and I love food shopping… And yes, soap and water, used properly, is actually MORE effective than hand sanitizer.
The wipes- generally speaking- are not even supposed to be used on skin, according to the labels on Lysol & Clorox wipes anyway.
If you want to get technical, a virus is not alive. They are an infective agent that typically consists of a nucleic acid molecule in a protein coat.
So how does this kill what is not alive in the first place?
Gotta love marketing, haha
@Engineeringjim, good point, BUT evidently not everone wants to get technical. BTW¹, you Can kill something that isn’t alive!! JSYK!! That is what a ‘Kill-Switch’ is for!! For example, someone can kill an engine, one can kill legislation, etc. The word can be used to destroy, end, stop & so on. To get a bit fn technical, slang is ALIVE & well in America!! BTW², please, don’t kill the messenger!!
@mehliana, maybe not, if it were dead on you woulda kissed my star with your finger, thumb, or a stylus & upvoted my comment!! BTW, I did yours!! I did think, ‘I Shot The Sheriff’!! [Eric Clapton-1974]
I purchased these wipes damn because i can use them around the house. Like, when I fuckin accidently touch some cat, or dog poop! Too much of that shit can give you either Hepati-tis A, or B,…1, or the other, or maybe both!!