This is a very bizarre collection of ingredients for a pre-workout.
Also, it’s kind of sad that this company is so far gone Meh couldn’t hit them up for an actual image of their nutrition panel instead of having to take one with a crappy cellphone that you can barely read.
@uscpsycho, I know, right & why does it take over a fuckin month to deliver when it’s distributor is located in Cary, NC!! It"s kinda fuckin suspicious that it takes exactly that amount [01•04-01•07] of time when it fn comes from China!¡¡!
@tweezak, I admit my math was lacking, very lacking. I rushed through some numbers & though they seemed off I posted them. When I noticed my mistake the 5 min edit, or deletion time had passed, so…too late for the genius to fn correct his mistakes. Since i have a double personality disorder, I’ll just say, the other guy did it. I know ‘that’s what she said’, and all, but I’m just sayin + I honestly really don’t care What she said!!
That is way too much caffeine for a single serving. Don’t take a full serving of this stuff unless you want your heart to explode during a workout, unless you’re a huge dude with 300 pounds of body mass. But then if you don’t take the full serving, you get so little of the other stuff, that it becomes meaningless…It should have about 150 mg of caffeine, so the mix definitely sucks with this product.
Also, this has ingredients I’ve never heard of, and I actually (sometimes) use these things. This seems like a weekend warrior brand, and not some trusted source like Optimum Nutrition or Cellucor, so I wonder if the quality of the ingredients is questionable. This uses the cheap version of Creatine that has low/delayed absorption rates, so its usefulness in this mix is low (better as a post-workout). Also no Arginine, and no Beta-Alanine (as someone mentioned above).
Upon a quick search, this seems to be a “house mix” for a sports nutrition store. Most likely either a re-branded mix from some defunct brand, or a combination of loose ingredients bought wholesale.
Even if it’s made in China, the ingredients are fairly generic and cheap, and made according to American spec.
Also, I don’t think it’s in China’s best interests for Americans to die, since we make up an outsize portion of their export market. If we die, there would be no one to buy all of their tube socks and alphabet soup-branded knockoff electronics on Amazon.
@ShotgunX, Are we fn thinking about the same country that has already killed over 250,000 people in the USA [or their fuckin negligence did] & what,…2 million plus worldwide [they were customers too]!!
@ShotgunX UUUUUGGGGHHH!!! Creatine monohydrate is the only type of creatine you should be using. There is no benefit of a fast or slow creatine. And none of the stupid permutations of creatine are better (some are worse). They just sound fancy and they are expensive. I thought everyone knew this by now. The marketing guys came up with this shit because the best supplement you can buy over the counter is also the cheapest and very generic.
Anyway, you have some learning to do Grasshopper. Be careful what you put in your body and what supps you spend your money on.
*FYI I’m not endorsing this product because it is trash. But creatine monohydrate is not the problem (other than it makes no sense to have creatine in a pre-workout supplement).
Not sure where you’re going with this. COVID is terrible, but if it wasn’t intentional, then you can’t say that China killed anyone. And I’m not sure how this invalidates what I said about not wanting to destroy your own customer base.
So you’ve basically said what I said, but still disagreed with me as some sort of weird flex? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
@ShotgunX I was responding to what you said about creatine which is all wrong. I did not say what you said, I refuted it. Just trying to inform you about creatine because you’ve got it very wrong and so if you are looking for designer (not cheap) or “fast” creatine in your pwo it’s very likely you are using some other shit pre-workout that is additionally overpriced.
And I’ll go out on a limb and say if you believe the crazy marketing about creatine you might also be falling for other false claims about supplements. We’ve all been there when we started lifting.
@decoratedwarvet@ShotgunX@uscpsycho Scattergun, I think you’re confusing ‘killing’ and ‘murdering’. ‘Killing’ is the taking of life, regardless of intent or circumstances - also known as homicide. ‘Murder’ (legally speaking) is when the killing is indeed intended.
As you pointed out, the idea of China intentionally being the cause is absurd on the surface - murder is off the table. But homicidal negligence might be a fair charge.
“All wrong” huh? Reading your post again, I’m not actually seeing any arguments against what I wrote. You didn’t dispute that Creatine Monohydrate is (1) the cheapest version of Creatine, or (2) has the slowest absorption rate, and (3) you downright parroted my sentiment that it makes no sense to have it in a pre-workout. Your only point of contention seems to be that the eViL c0rPoRaShUnZ are trying to keep the good stuff away from us, despite having a vested interest in not doing so, by virtue of investing hundreds of millions of dollars into R&D, and trying to increase the athletic performance of their sponsored athletes, who endorse their brands. Intelligent readers will notice that I said nothing about the superiority or inferiority of any particular type of Creatine, and only made my one, short comment with regard to the usefulness of this specific type in this specific supplement.
So let’s get to the meat of what’s really happening here: like the good ol’ lunk that you are, you condescendingly interjected into an informative post-slash-conversation to show off your knowledge of bro science. Isn’t that right, oh wise master?
Now that we’ve cleared this up, I guess we can move on to phase two of our interaction, wherein you tell me that I’m lifting “wrong,” and refuse to lift your foot off my barbell until I let you calibrate the distance between my feet for my deadlift to an exact specification using a measuring tape you keep with you at all times. Phase three will be you mule-kicking the cheese danish out of my hands, and force-feeding me a steel-cut oat/chicken breast smoothie like I’m a French goose weeks away from a new year’s dinner. At some point you will also either assault me, or break out into tearful hysteria requiring medical intervention, because I say that I do cardio. This “grasshopper” eagerly awaits your scholarly guidance.
People like you are the reason why I stopped going to the gym, and invested in my own gear instead.
@ShotgunX@uscpsycho, I suppose you skipped the fn negligence part of my posted statements. Whatever floats your boat, but regardless if she floats, or not, if one ran over a loved one close to you, would you consider it negligence, or simply let it slide because it was ‘unintentional’?? Even in an accident, someone is liable; ask an insurance agent, or an attorney. Unlike the other guy [concerning creatine] I am not gonna get into a pissing contest with you…I kinda wish I could, but that asides, I have to fn sit down to piss!! So, Shotgun, if you can see my position, I’ll just take your opinion with a grain of salt, but if you can’t then I hope you, please, will do the same.
We can only blame China if the viral outbreak was a result of state action. But if some guy ate some bat soup and won the pathogen mutation lottery, we can’t exactly blame an entire country for anything, whether murder, or homicidal negligence. To better go with the example that was posted above while I was still typing this, it probably wouldn’t make any sense to blame the driver if the loved one jumped directly into the path of the moving vehicle.
So, do we truly know how the outbreak began? This is critical information for establishing the target of blame, or whether blame is even warranted or justified in the first place.
@tardis, how did you get your balls, or the lack thereof, in this debate¿? I’m old school, so What The Fuck Is A ‘Coni’¿? Being a disabled veteran doesn’t mean I’m unable to work. Although I receive a little over $5,000 per month in VA comp & SS checks I am not totally disabled.
Since I close my Auto Paint & Body Shop I still delve in R/R of windshields, refinishing Antiques & Classics, buying & selling autos & any fn thing else I, Me, I Decide To Fn Do!! CAPICHE, Tard, I mean, Tardish!!
@ShotgunX everything about this is wrong. The effective exercise dose for caffeine is 3-6 mg/kg body weight. A 220 lb person needs minimum 300mg caffeine to see a difference in exercise, otherwise it’s only a stimulant for fat release and making you “feel” energized. Also, as someone else stated Creating Monohydrate is the most researched and effective form. Everything else is untested selling points to sound better, even though it isn’t.
@humanamerican There is no such thing as an “effective exercise dose for caffeine.” And if you insist on such an absurd concept actually existing, then please provide the effective exercise doses for cocaine and methamphetamine as well.
@tardis, actually, Dick-Breath, I think you won in the fuckin prick catagory, plus you invited my fn response when you asked me by saying, “Call me when you get work!” It seems you enjoy being a jerk until someone returns your fuckin attitude & sarcasm then you have your usual hissy-fit & start crying & whining foul. As the saying goes, “If you don’t want no shit, don’t start none!!”
@rpstrong@ShotgunX, evidently you weren’t tuned in when the damn outbreak was exposed in China. Although you would make an extremely nice PR spokesman[or spokeswo-man], you really need to keep up, or they might decide to terminate you as they [China, the state sponsors] fn did the scientists, immunologists, disease research specialists & microbio-logists. There was a fn program of suppressing all of the health warnings & any information about the dangers of the new disease. This is par the course for a Communist Country & everyone knows their Modus of Operandi, their MO, except a few fn people who didn’t bother ascertaing the facts before they dive into a damn debate on the subject. Maybe, you should fn do a bit of research on how the coronavirus got so out of hand in China just to see if,…just maybe, They Were To A Huge Fn Degree At Fault!!
Just putting a word of warning here for random pre-workouts… some of them have questionable ingredients that you don’t find out about until years later. Anyone on here ever take Jack3d? It worked great but… FDA Press release
Was late to reading the write up, and let me just say, excellent work. The outstanding observations of a spunky yet chunky 3rd wheel destined to bask in the romantic glow of their best friend’s newfound love.