@yakkoTDI I thought it was frowned on to drive while getting buzzed.

@fuzzmanmatt @yakkoTDI He said it was for the co-pilot. And we all trust him, don’t we…

@caffeineguy In 2050, the future appears daunting with the prospect of a DMCAv3 strike for streaming archived 90s TV audio on the Bluetooth7.2b-enabled car, restricted solely to signed audio transmission due to evolving copyright regulations.

@caffeineguy @Jackwing1 And that’s just the US version of the mess; the poor sods in the EU have to keep a bank draft account on file for the microfees collected by the artists every time their music is played via a streaming source. In the UK, it’s even worse; the recording industry has an officially government-sanctioned AI that determines what you want to hear, autoplays it, and autodebits your account. Let the account run dry, and you won’t even be allowed into a movie theater unless you can prove that you’re deaf.

@caffeineguy :This statement appears to describe a hypothetical situation in the US, EU, and the UK where microfees are collected for music streaming, and in the UK, there’s a government-sanctioned AI controlling music playback and payments…

@werehatrack I just got home. Give me time.

@werehatrack see above “ Give me power delivery or give me death!”

@werehatrack why do you think they are 8 bucks for 2

@Achromatter well, there are two of them…

@Achromatter only good for certain trucks like semis or whatever that run on the 24 volt system. You need to have a 12 volt input. Was going to buy a pair until I saw that crap!

@Achromatter @doubltap so how would these function with only 12V input? Just double the charge time?

@Achromatter @doubltap @ekirchner It should say “12-24V”. Typically, the voltage regulator inside the plug can handle inputs up to 24V, but does not require them. Get down to 11V and it will almost certainly stop working. Some of them will cut off at as much as 12.2V to prevent complete discharge of the vehicle battery if the converter is left connected to a live socket while the vehicle is parked for several days. I often use SLA batteries to power a laptop at conventions, and I’ve noticed that most of the car-chargers will shut down as the voltage in the battery sags.

@Achromatter @doubltap It’s actually 12V-24V. Works with cars & trucks.

@Achromatter @doubltap @troy Fixed.

@Achromatter @doubltap @werehatrack thanks, in for a couple. My present ones and even built-in USBs in our late model car are really weak.

@Kidsandliz Given the number of easily-inserted charger plugs that also easily vibrate loose in the socket, back part-way out and lose connection, the tight tension causing the need for added effort to get them into the socket may have been regarded as a Feature designed to keep them from backing out.

@werehatrack It doesn’t matter why they won’t fit and there is no need to justify it one way or another. The important issue is that it won’t fit into some cars. People need to know that before they buy.

@Kidsandliz And even when people manage to push them in, the problem can still hit; there are multiple reviews griping that the user could not get a failed unit back out of the socket. After reading more of the reviews, it sounds to me like poor execution of what could have been a good idea.

@Kidsandliz Oh, good grief. I went looking, and found that the “standard” for accessory/lighter sockets isn’t standardized.

Japanese automakers adhere to the JIS standard, which puts the diameter of the socket at almost exactly 21mm.
US automakers have TWO sizes to choose from;

12-volt cigarette lighter receptacle and plug, size A
Receptacle inside diameter: 20.93–21.01 mm (median 20.97 mm)
Plug body diameter: 20.73–20.88 mm (median 20.805 mm)
Most often used in American automobiles

12-volt cigarette lighter receptacle and plug, size B
Receptacle inside diameter: 21.41–21.51 mm (median 21.455 mm)
Plug body diameter: 21.13–21.33 mm (median 21.18 mm)
Most often used in European automobiles, and sometimes as a second socket in American automobiles expressly for DC power connections.

And then the German DIN standard is closer to 22mm.

No wonder one size doesn’t fit all.

@werehatrack So instead of commenting on what everyone is saying, in my case here first criticizing me saying it is a feature, etc. why don’t you wait to comment until you actually know the reason like you finally found. THAT information is useful.

Many message you come off as a know it all who is, at times, putting people down, and I suspect you probably wouldn’t want people to think of you like that (on another thread I noticed someone else basically told you that too). I am tired of you, all of a sudden (you weren’t really doing that before the moderator role), commenting on practically everything I am saying even if you aren’t part of the conversation like me talking with @jasneko about the shirts that person designed. That person answered my question about whether or not a design I liked, that they created, could be resubmitted. You didn’t need to answer it too.

You may not mean to come across as some of us are interpreting it so maybe think about what you are doing and how you are saying things. The role of a moderator doesn’t include that as far as I know (and seeing how other moderators interact with the list). It isn’t to try to control the conversation nor speak on behalf of meh and try to second guess why they are or aren’t doing things - but telling us as if you know, rather it is to intervene if something gets out of hand, people are breaking rules or being nasty to each other, help fix mistakes where the person missed the edit window, delete spam, etc. None of the other moderators are doing what you are doing. Notice how @narfcake tried to defuse the political BS and nastiness with cats and humor. It doesn’t need to be a frontal attack. Please consider how you come across when you comment the way you are recently so often commenting.

@Kidsandliz I thought it was just me thinking this. Thanks.

@Kidsandliz Out of 11 posts on this product that were more than a giphy, this person commented on 7 of them and made an additional 2 posts of their own. This isn’t a mod, it’s someone that likes to read what they type.

@lisagd It looks like they just cut and pasted the verbiage from the manufacturer’s blurb. I didn’t do a word-by-word comparison, but at a quick glance, it looked a lot like what I’d seen elsewhere. When it was composed, it probably was reasonably accurate. That’s the problem with claims like these; what was really fast last week might be just ordinary next week. The Amazon listing has reviews all the way back to 2019 that report shortcomings, but only in a relatively small percentage. There are also some discrepancies in the reported specs from one listing or review to another.

I guess I’m too cynical to be left by myself with an Internet to poke around in.

@werehatrack Hmm, sounds like you need a hobby.

@rhliu89 [edited] The ones in today’s sale are not the ones that have been showing up in reports of what came in an IRK this time. Those are useless 1A (5W) plugs that are so obsolete at this point that similar ones got tossed into e-waste here five years ago. If those two-packs are not what you got, then I don’t know what you received, but the ones in today’s sale are just two generations back from current; they provide a limited amount of over-12W output using the QC3.0 spec, but they don’t support the higher outputs of PD. Useful, but not bleeding-edge.

@rhliu89 @werehatrack And some of us don’t care about bleeding edge. We just want one to plug our phone in when we are using it as a map. Doesn’t take a rocket science one for that.

@rhliu89 @werehatrack are we sure they didnt get that exact brand/model? At this point since I dont have an inventory of everyones Irks and their contents Im happy to believe @rhliu89 and their comment.

Also, leading edge is less important on a deals web sites. Usually hard to find cheap deals on the latest technology, but what do I know

@tinamarie1974 [edited] Today’s charger plug is not shipped as a two-pack, they are individually packed, so that leaves them out of being the same ones pictured in any of the reports of contents of current IRKs. Meh has been IRKing the crapola 2-pack 1A plugs for at least two years, and they are clearly not out of them (more’s the pity). Without confirmation from the OP, I have no way to know that they got something that no one else has reported; is it possible? Yes. Stranger things have happened.

@Kidsandliz Alas, my Pixel7 will not quite maintain the battery charge with a 1A input while running in GPS-map mode. It also gets progressively hotter trying to charge from that weak input. With a PD or a QC3, it remains at a useful temp and pulls the battery up to 100% as I drive. (It’s a power hog when the display is at full brightness.)

@Kidsandliz @rhliu89 @werehatrack Same here. The one I have in the car’s been there for years. It has two USB A ports and keeps the Moto E6 I use for music powered while driving and will fully charge my main phone (Galaxy S22+) if it’s at 50% plus in an hour drive. I don’t see any reason to replace it.

@KevinS10 @Kidsandliz @rhliu89 If what you’ve got works, there’s good reason to stick with it. But when replacing it for some reason, it can be important to know what the differences are. When it comes to these lighter-socket things, there are so many puffed-up claims and outright lies about power output that it’s a real pain to figure out which one to grab at times. Everybody says “fast charge” or something like it. The ones pictured in the recent IRK reveals absolutely will not charge certain USB-C devices at all because the device refuses to recognize a USB 1.0 or 2.0 connection as being a valid power source. (My S.O. has a Canon monocular that is in that category, and it’s even picky about the USB-C cable characteristics.)

@tinamarie1974 @werehatrack They have absolutely have shipped sellable versions of things in irks, fukus and fukos. I have received some things in those over the years that they are still selling. I’d suggest not making statements about things you don’t have first hand knowledge of with respect to how meh runs their business as you are not a paid employee who knows first hand what they do.

@werehatrack you clearly missed my point. Unless you have an inventory of what each Meh-zian received in their Irk, you have no idea what someone did or did not receive. I have absolutely received Irks with well packaged, non returned current items. Hell one of my last Irks contained a brand new Vapamore steamer that Morningsave had only JUST started selling. By your summary above I should have not received it, but I did.

In general people do not enjoy being called liars or having their noses rubbed into their comments - especially by a quasi-nonpaid- employee of the site they are visiting. It is rude.

We should be spending our time being kind to each other, not finding ways to make folks look inferior. Maybe he received the item for sale today, maybe he received the one you insist he received, maybe it was something different, but why does it matter? Who actually cares??? Why is there a need to call them out and make them feel bad or potentially drive someone away from the site?

@tinamarie1974 And now that I look back, Meh (and SideDeal?) apparently tried peddling the two-pack 1A pairs at least once after they started tossing the them into IRKs in multiples. I guess they were trying to get rid of as many as they could.

@tinamarie1974 @werehatrack Why else do you think they put many of the things in irks that they put in? Certainly not all of what goes in them is to get rid of excess inventory, outdated stuff, etc. I have noticed some really kind/fanstastic gifts given to people over the years. And of course there are the jackpot irks given to a handful in any given irk offering. In my case they gave me once something several years ago to give to each little kid for christmas. Those items made their christmas that year (they were all used as santa presents) and clearly someone had given it some thought.

@Kidsandliz @werehatrack or the time I got a Wonder Woman themed box with Fuko’s thatbwere clearly purchased specifically for me. Love me some @koolhandjoe

@Koolhandjoe @tinamarie1974 @werehatrack I had forgotten about that. That one was spectacular!!! meh topped the charts on that one.

@Koolhandjoe @tinamarie1974 Hey koolhandjoe. We miss you and your creepy creations!!! You made anything new? Used up all the dolls I sent you? . Seriously though we haven’t heard from you in so long. I hope everything is OK.

@tinamarie1974 @werehatrack You know, both tinamarie and I responded to your comment about what was in irks and why (eg your statement that only unsellable things are in there, etc.). That you used your moderator access to go back and remove what we were both responding to is a misuse of your moderator status and, in my opinion, is totally inappropriate. And you’d better not edit any of my posts without my permission.

@bobogobo Yes, and two for $8 is a better deal, subject to shipping considerations and Prime status.

@werehatrack yes but you are paying $5.99 for meh membership or $8.99 shipping here for non member. We have more amazon prime members than meh!!!

@bobogobo Yep. That’s why I added “subject to shipping considerations and Prime status”. For a Mehmber who has already ordered something this billing cycle, the shipping for these is essentially free, or at least only a portion of the Mehmbership charge, depending on how you want to account for it. Over at Woot, non-Prime purchasers are at a freight cost disadvantage versus a multi-purchase Mehmber over here. Somebody who fits both best-case categories, and uses the “added items free” costing model on freight, will fare better here than at Woot unless they only want one plug.

@bjvangundy was scared to even try giphy

@bjvangundy
Surprisingly innocuous!