Powdered CL formulas have aspartame, which is worse for a lot of people. So do some of their squeeze bottles. My principal objection to this particular flavor is that acai is vile. Nasty, awful, ick, yuk, no good very bad throw far away Do Not Want!
@katsuronishi Actually, sucralose is sucrose (table sugar) that has had one hydroxyl group replaced with a chlorine. It won’t rot your teeth or affect your insulin levels.
It is about as “man-made” as 10,000 things you eat or use every day without a whimper.
Virtually every commercial baked good for example has “additives” to stabilize, discourage mold and decay, improve appearance, mouth feel, and on and on and on. Read the label on the side of a loaf of bread, or the side of a box of cake mix, sometime.
For that matter read the label on most any purchased foodstuff, which except for fruits and some vegetables isn’t treated with some man-made item.
Even most meat is injected with water containing flavoring agents, salts, and other materials to improve handling, cooking and taste.
In my view, this is all much ado about nothing. YMMV.
@katsuronishi@mike808 This reply has nothing to do with the product being offered as such. I am still reacting to the implied horror of “man-made chemical.”
This phrase and others like it are causally thrown out by folks who don’t really understand commercial foodstuffs made in factories. Yet, those same folks imbibe “man-made” ingredients virtually everyday without complaint.
One of the more fascinating aspects of this man-made issue is just how many products and/or ingredients are man-made starting from corn. Here is a partial list:
In America, at any rate, it is almost impossible to go through a normal day and not imbibe many, many somethings made from or with “chemicals” made from corn, by “man-made” techniques and processes. From the saccharin in your morning toothpaste to the ethanol in that final night cap, you are awash in man-made chemicals which come from corn.
@cengland0 You are correct, sir! But there is gluten, the product of the reaction of the two proteins, gliadin and glutenin, and there is “corn gluten”, which is not the same thing. As a celiac, you may be sensitive to certain forms of gliadin/glutenin glutens, but probably not corn gluten.
So-called corn gluten is a by-product of corn processing (wet milling) and treatment with sulfur dioxide, from some post treatments of corn mash used in the production of ethanol, or is a fraction isolated from the leftovers in the production of high fructose corn syrups.
Commercially there is somewhere North of 3.5 million tons of “corn gluten” or in the parlance of the trade, just “gluten” produced in the U.S. annually. It used for mostly for animal feed with a minor use as a herbicide. For animal feeds, it is usually pelletized to increase its bulk density and to lower shipping costs.
Corn gluten can be further processed into zein and glutelin.
Zein is a protein with large amounts of proline, an amino acid, and is/was used for everything from paper coatings (paper coffee cups) to manufacture of buttons, to food shellacs (confectioner’s glazes).
There is a huge, mostly hidden, chemical process industry based on corn. The corn processing industry generates an incredible number of products and chemicals. Many of these corn derived products find their way into the manufacture of foods as additives and <gasp> man-made chemicals.
My point in including that list was to illustrate just how many different things are “man-made” from something as simple and innocuous looking as corn kernels. And by way of that example to contrast and compare the relationship between sucrose and sucralose to those myriad products produced from corn (aka maize).
@Jackinga Hey you seem knowledgeable about this stuff. Would you mind helping me out? You said earlier that sucralose won’t rot your teeth or affect your insulin levels. Is that true of all artificial sweeteners? I have a liking of diet sodas and zero sugar drinks and it is basically my only health vice. I often wonder how bad it actually is for me, and I can’t seem to find an authority on the matter. You would rightly and truly be doing me a solid.
@ThrillFerrence Sugar substitute sweeteners like everything else are best consumed in moderation.
Moderation is a relative term and depends on a host of factors such as your body mass index, frequency and amounts of consumption, length of time used (decades, years, months, etc.) and to some extent your personal body chemistry and genetics.
I know you would like a hard answer such as no more than x grams/day, but it is impossible to give a one size fits all recommendation or limit.
I suppose you could look up the LD50 for each sweetener you consume (LD50 lethal dose for 50% of imbibing population, and is usually based on rats). But that would be such a ridiculous number, that it wouldn’t likely be of much use.
In general too much of anything is… well, too much. One can actually drink too much water! A few folks have found out this out the hard way.
Moderation. (A gateway habit to having Golden Years.)
My petite wife will consume about half to two thirds of a 35 can case of Coke Zero in a month, but I hardly, if ever, touch the stuff. But then she doesn’t over indulge in anything.
OTH, I will use sucralose everywhere I can to cut down on my sugar and calorie intake. My sugar intake isn’t all that high to begin with as I am not a big sweets eater.
Most all the sweeteners in general use are safe.
Think about it.
Millions and millions of people consume these things every day, which in total quantity is a staggering amount, and the products which incorporate these sweeteners are multi-billion dollar businesses. We generally don’t hear about folks keeling over from ill effects associated with sweeteners.
(Before someone calls me out on the fact that large populations consuming large quantities of something doesn’t necessarily make it safe, e.g., tobacco. I hold that sugar substitutes don’t have a sword of Damocles hanging over them as does tobacco.)
As far as health effects, I refer you to section 4 of the Wikipedia article on sugar substitutes, which is a pretty good summary and jumping off point into the technical literature, if you want to follow up on the footnotes.
If you consume a balanced diet, exercise regularly, and maintain a generally healthy lifestyle, then I wouldn’t be concerned if you have a diet drink or two a day. If that is approaching ten diet drinks a day, instead of two, then you might want to think about cutting back a bit. Ask yourself, “Am I really thirsty?”, “Do I really need this?”, or, “Am I just bored.”
@Jackinga It helped wonderfully! Your last paragraph about summed it up. I’m in good shape, work out, run, and eat well. I simply enjoy a zero sugar soda. About 2 to 3 a day depending, but I’ll sometimes go a few weeks without touching one at all. I honestly really love your response and I am especially grateful that you typed up so much on a meh.com comment section for a complete rando.
@EvilSmoo@werehatrack I happen to fall in a weird category where aspartame won’t bother me. However, stevia damn near every time will trigger a migraine within 24-48 hours. It’s awful since it’s begun to creep into more and more food products. I hope some day the mystery for non sugar sweeteners in general gets solved.