@ELUNO Exactly. I am sick and tired of damn medieval wars with titties and dragons going on in my neighbourhood 24/7. I want something refreshing on TV instead.
Naaah, don’t watch it. The theme song of it did start playing on Google Play Music, only to be cut off halfway through by Gangnam Style. Which was really weird. They should make an episode that does that. Just partway through, cut to Gangnam Style. Maybe Westeros it up a little. Like, dragons and Emilia Clarke’s eyebrows.
You forgot the option for irritated fans of the books who have been waiting years for the next part of the story. GRRM can denounce internet haters all he wants but the fact is that anyone who cares to look can see him posting on his non-blog blog about all these varied things he’s doing… that aren’t related to the book.
@jbartus I just finished reading A Dance with Dragons a few weeks ago. Thought that it was wild that I had gotten caught up, somehow. Then I saw the date on the acknowledgements: May 13, 2011.
Heh!
I guess, at least he isn’t, you know… writing a book when he doesn’t want to. Do you think he hates writing this series? It seems like he does. It’d explain why he takes it out on all of the characters.
@InnocuousFarmer I think he started the series with a grandiose plan for a master work when he was at a very different place in life in terms of his success and finances. At this point I feel confident in saying that he’s probably wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and has the means to do whatever he wants whether or not he picks up his pen ever again. Fundamentally I think it’s a problem with power of will and acknowledgement of the fact that he owes a debt of gratitude to the fans who made the life he has possible and a corresponding responsibility to provide a finished tale to them.
It’s weird because this is a bit of a parallel to a conversation regarding crowdfunding going on over in the Eucopia thread and this position may seem at face value to stand in stark contrast to the one presented there. The difference here is that we’re five novels in with no closure to the tale, none of the novels can stand on its own as a finished product, and they were marketed as part of a larger whole from day one via direct sale.
Yes. When I started the first one I could not believe how good it was. Finished Dance w Dragons shortly after it came out. 5 years ago I think?
I think you are correct and his life has changed a lot. More adulation, more money, more temptation, the ability to do nothing and be adored by many if he so chooses.
I hear - this may be pure BS - that he’s has been writing. A lot. Like the next book is somewhere near 2000 pages and needs a massive amount of cutting and editing. And of course it’s not presumably near the end, so I’m glad HBO is doing their own thing. He has promised to finish the series and who knows if he will. HBO at least means the series will have some kind of ending.
I actually have not seen much of the HBO stuff. Own it all, streaming and BR, just haven’t made time to go watch it yet.
Robert Jordan had that prob - when he needed to be reining the story in, he was letting it run wild and then he died and the estate had to bring in Sanderson to clean up and finish. The later books have their moments and are far from bad, but do not possess the YA charm of the earlier ones. It feels like they pulled it to an ending out of desperation, because they had to.
This really makes me admire Rowling and Tolkien and other writers like Jim Butcher who had or have the discipline not to go nuts in their stories and lose all control, or forget what they were trying to write in the first place.
I hope he does finish before he dies or gets too old to write. And I hope it’s very good. But I’m less optimistic about that than used to be.
Have you read the Dunk and Egg novellas, I think 3 of them, set in Westeros about 90 years before Fire and Ice? They are very very good, and those stores have endings.
@f00l I haven’t. Call me petty but I refuse to contribute further funds to his jet setting account until I’ve got the next book in ASOIAF to spend it on and that will maintain through the release of the final book. What’s worse about Martin is that if he dies I very much doubt we’ll get a close, he’s so adamantly opposed to letting others play in his sandbox that I don’t think it will be continued.
As for writing, yeah he’s allegedly, probably even, been writing, but it’s taking forever and as has happened far too often in the past the book is swelling beyond belief. I’m dreading the day he announces that he’s got to split it again and the two books I wait upon become three and then four.
Recent events with my father have me even more dejected considering the similarities in observable physical fitness between the two.
Martin is beyond our influence, but perhaps your Dad can take control over some stuff if the physicians recommend.
PS get the Dunk and Egg stories from the library. They’re in anothologies. Then you read them and didn’t spend a dime. The library will lend digital books too. Instant download.
ABE books or Amazon used books (where I purchase most of my books with no kindle version for under $1 plus shipping) or Bookfinder or Alibris or EBay. Or borrow from someone.
HBO did want run ads during the series does it? So you can watch there guilt free. Or get the BRs or DVDs from a friend or the library.
Or a local Half-Price Books if you have them here.
No $ goes to Martin on a used book sale or a borrowing. (Unless you’re also boycotting his very words.)
@f00l to a greater or lesser degree libraries and the used book market both fuel the new book market. As for ad revenue while you’re probably correct in a technical sense I’m sure Martin gets some percentage of HBO’s subscription cost pursuant to millions of followers watching or some such arrangement. I’m content to wait until he gets his act together or dies, whichever comes first.
@sanspoint@InnocuousFarmer I’m pretty sure they’ll bring him back somehow, but if that somehow is a parallel universe, I don’t count it as valid. The real Bird Person was unique!
I recently started Wild Cards to fill the void till the next installment of GoT. I was shocked at the drastic difference in style between this series and GoT.
Then I learned it’s not actually written by Martin, rather his name was listed (in 4 inch letters on the cover) as “edited by” (this part, in 6 point type). I fell for the marketing game! Sucka! I would not be surprised if this was strictly an endorsement deal for him. He may not even have seen the manuscript prior to publication.
@ruouttaurmind Not at all. The crew that wrote Wild Cards were all friends. Wild Cards started out as a role playing game that GRRM ran and many of them played together and evolved into the novel series. When Wild Cards was first published (before GRRM was a household name) the whole crew would travel to sci fi cons together and talk about the books and the creative process. They told some pretty wild stories. The publisher is just capitalizing on GRRM’s current fame by reprinting the books with his name highlighted. That same fame probably helped get the Wild Card tv series made. I just hope it doesn’t suck.
@moondrake I’m not hating the book so far, even though it’s nothing like what I expected. My first thought was “X-men ripoff” but there are several superhero stories, several zombie stories, so why not another mutant story.
I love how they have to keep introducing new characters and locations in order to have enough new cast members to fill in for those lost due to high kill/rates.
/giphy porcelain throne
Meh, fantasy is for losers.
@serpent Losers, fantasy is for meh.
@InnocuousFarmer Fantasy, meh is for losers.
@serpent Serpents are fantasy.
@serpent GoT is based on real life events.
@lisaviolet You are right, I don’t exist.
@ELUNO Exactly. I am sick and tired of damn medieval wars with titties and dragons going on in my neighbourhood 24/7. I want something refreshing on TV instead.
@serpent As long as we’re clear on that.
@serpent De Plane De Plane
Naaah, don’t watch it. The theme song of it did start playing on Google Play Music, only to be cut off halfway through by Gangnam Style. Which was really weird. They should make an episode that does that. Just partway through, cut to Gangnam Style. Maybe Westeros it up a little. Like, dragons and Emilia Clarke’s eyebrows.
@Mehsturbator It’s a great piece of music, I think i’d love it even if it didn’t tie to the show. This is my favorite version of it.
I’m too busy wating for Winds of Winter
You forgot the option for irritated fans of the books who have been waiting years for the next part of the story. GRRM can denounce internet haters all he wants but the fact is that anyone who cares to look can see him posting on his non-blog blog about all these varied things he’s doing… that aren’t related to the book.
@jbartus I just finished reading A Dance with Dragons a few weeks ago. Thought that it was wild that I had gotten caught up, somehow. Then I saw the date on the acknowledgements: May 13, 2011.
Heh!
I guess, at least he isn’t, you know… writing a book when he doesn’t want to. Do you think he hates writing this series? It seems like he does. It’d explain why he takes it out on all of the characters.
@InnocuousFarmer I think he started the series with a grandiose plan for a master work when he was at a very different place in life in terms of his success and finances. At this point I feel confident in saying that he’s probably wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and has the means to do whatever he wants whether or not he picks up his pen ever again. Fundamentally I think it’s a problem with power of will and acknowledgement of the fact that he owes a debt of gratitude to the fans who made the life he has possible and a corresponding responsibility to provide a finished tale to them.
It’s weird because this is a bit of a parallel to a conversation regarding crowdfunding going on over in the Eucopia thread and this position may seem at face value to stand in stark contrast to the one presented there. The difference here is that we’re five novels in with no closure to the tale, none of the novels can stand on its own as a finished product, and they were marketed as part of a larger whole from day one via direct sale.
@jbartus
Yes. When I started the first one I could not believe how good it was. Finished Dance w Dragons shortly after it came out. 5 years ago I think?
I think you are correct and his life has changed a lot. More adulation, more money, more temptation, the ability to do nothing and be adored by many if he so chooses.
I hear - this may be pure BS - that he’s has been writing. A lot. Like the next book is somewhere near 2000 pages and needs a massive amount of cutting and editing. And of course it’s not presumably near the end, so I’m glad HBO is doing their own thing. He has promised to finish the series and who knows if he will. HBO at least means the series will have some kind of ending.
I actually have not seen much of the HBO stuff. Own it all, streaming and BR, just haven’t made time to go watch it yet.
Robert Jordan had that prob - when he needed to be reining the story in, he was letting it run wild and then he died and the estate had to bring in Sanderson to clean up and finish. The later books have their moments and are far from bad, but do not possess the YA charm of the earlier ones. It feels like they pulled it to an ending out of desperation, because they had to.
This really makes me admire Rowling and Tolkien and other writers like Jim Butcher who had or have the discipline not to go nuts in their stories and lose all control, or forget what they were trying to write in the first place.
I hope he does finish before he dies or gets too old to write. And I hope it’s very good. But I’m less optimistic about that than used to be.
Have you read the Dunk and Egg novellas, I think 3 of them, set in Westeros about 90 years before Fire and Ice? They are very very good, and those stores have endings.
@f00l I haven’t. Call me petty but I refuse to contribute further funds to his jet setting account until I’ve got the next book in ASOIAF to spend it on and that will maintain through the release of the final book. What’s worse about Martin is that if he dies I very much doubt we’ll get a close, he’s so adamantly opposed to letting others play in his sandbox that I don’t think it will be continued.
As for writing, yeah he’s allegedly, probably even, been writing, but it’s taking forever and as has happened far too often in the past the book is swelling beyond belief. I’m dreading the day he announces that he’s got to split it again and the two books I wait upon become three and then four.
Recent events with my father have me even more dejected considering the similarities in observable physical fitness between the two.
@jbartus
Martin is beyond our influence, but perhaps your Dad can take control over some stuff if the physicians recommend.
PS get the Dunk and Egg stories from the library. They’re in anothologies. Then you read them and didn’t spend a dime. The library will lend digital books too. Instant download.
@f00l Yeah, I was going to suggest ABE books.
@moondrake
@jbartus
ABE books or Amazon used books (where I purchase most of my books with no kindle version for under $1 plus shipping) or Bookfinder or Alibris or EBay. Or borrow from someone.
HBO did want run ads during the series does it? So you can watch there guilt free. Or get the BRs or DVDs from a friend or the library.
Or a local Half-Price Books if you have them here.
No $ goes to Martin on a used book sale or a borrowing. (Unless you’re also boycotting his very words.)
@f00l to a greater or lesser degree libraries and the used book market both fuel the new book market. As for ad revenue while you’re probably correct in a technical sense I’m sure Martin gets some percentage of HBO’s subscription cost pursuant to millions of followers watching or some such arrangement. I’m content to wait until he gets his act together or dies, whichever comes first.
This long wait is killing me.
Wake me when Rick and Morty Season 3 begins.
@sanspoint No Bird Person = no more watching
@ELUNO But if you don’t watch, how will you know that there isn’t more bird person?
@ELUNO I’m with @InnocuousFarmer. Maybe there’s a parallel dimension where that bitch Tammy, didn’t fuck over Bird Person.
@sanspoint @InnocuousFarmer I’m pretty sure they’ll bring him back somehow, but if that somehow is a parallel universe, I don’t count it as valid. The real Bird Person was unique!
https://streamable.com/9nu28
Everything is so depressing these days. So much for hope and change.
I prefer the original series back when this country was more optimistic and the future was bright.
I recently started Wild Cards to fill the void till the next installment of GoT. I was shocked at the drastic difference in style between this series and GoT.
Then I learned it’s not actually written by Martin, rather his name was listed (in 4 inch letters on the cover) as “edited by” (this part, in 6 point type). I fell for the marketing game! Sucka! I would not be surprised if this was strictly an endorsement deal for him. He may not even have seen the manuscript prior to publication.
@ruouttaurmind Not at all. The crew that wrote Wild Cards were all friends. Wild Cards started out as a role playing game that GRRM ran and many of them played together and evolved into the novel series. When Wild Cards was first published (before GRRM was a household name) the whole crew would travel to sci fi cons together and talk about the books and the creative process. They told some pretty wild stories. The publisher is just capitalizing on GRRM’s current fame by reprinting the books with his name highlighted. That same fame probably helped get the Wild Card tv series made. I just hope it doesn’t suck.
@moondrake I’m not hating the book so far, even though it’s nothing like what I expected. My first thought was “X-men ripoff” but there are several superhero stories, several zombie stories, so why not another mutant story.
Season 7 already? I haven’t even watched season 1 yet.
@yakkoTDI don’t worry. The show will be completed soon and then you can binge watch all the episodes.
@RiotDemon
How many seasons is HBO planning?
I love how they have to keep introducing new characters and locations in order to have enough new cast members to fill in for those lost due to high kill/rates.
@f00l 15 more episodes left in 2 short seasons