Who does your state hate?

@stolicat we know nothing good has ever come from Texas.

@DennisG2014 Well Massholes is a thing, right?.

@sammydog01 Damn right.

@Fodder650 - PRET-ty sure western Pennsylvania hates New York and north-eastern Pennsylvania hates southeastern Pennsylvania. Southeastern Pennsylvania - yeah, probably hates Texas and considers southern New Jersey to be a kind of backwards colony.

@aetris @Fodder650 clearly there is A LOT going on in PA

@tinamarie1974 - it’s not ALL about food.

@Fodder650
Nah… map is perfect in regards to PA.
We call New Jersey, “Dirty Jersey”, and nobody gives any fucks about PA.
Oh yeah… and fuck New Jersey too.

@stolicat I went and looked at his page. He has 325k followers so a decent sample size but definitely not the end all.

@RiotDemon @stolicat
It’s a football thing. Now that LSU has the college football crown, they all hate Louisiana.

@RiotDemon However it isn’t a random sample so it is still less trustworthy because of that. And we have no idea how many people actually answered his question.

@Kidsandliz WHO THE FUCK CARES? It’s just a fun little survey. Why is everyone getting so serious about it? Sheesh!

@Barney @Kidsandliz these forums get crazy about all kinds of things. I don’t think it is a big deal though

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Barney I was just addressing @RiotDemon’s comment about the sample. Much of the time forum threads go all sorts of directions, including sideways and down the toilet. Why are you so bent out of shape that you had to comment in bold? The bulk of the comments, including my other comments (and theirs), are no more serious than anyone else’s. It doesn’t wreck the fun in your thread. It’s just a small side diversion that had, until you got mad, just three small comments by three people and likely it would have stopped there.

@Barney I’m with you.

@sammydog01 If only I could…

@Limewater This is just for fun. You will not be quizzed.

@f00l No one hates Minnesota, even tho they hate Wisconsin.

@f00l And no one hates Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, Washington, and Oregon but they all hate California.

@f00l sounds about right for New Jersey.

@f00l That’s perfect.

@f00l @stolicat I mean who doesn’t hate California

@Kyeh how could anyone hate CO. It is beautiful

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 I lived there for five years. I wasn’t too happy with it when we’d get a foot of snow (or more).

@Barney @tinamarie1974 Actually the snow here is pretty bearable because even when we get a lot it usually doesn’t stick around that long. Right now we could use some, although we got a lot this fall. But maybe I should play up the misery because my main complaint these days is that so many people are coming here that development is going at a crazy pace!
So yeah, lots of snow and ice, nasty driving conditions, yep, all true. (Just not all the time…)

@Barney but I don’t see where any state hated itself!!

@tinamarie1974 Florida, although that is maybe partly because the Conch Republic hates the rest of Florida.

@Kidsandliz oh yeah I forgot FL, but they are “special”

@JnKL All right then, why don’t you go and hate on Mississippi. They deserve it.

@Barney hmmm… thinking about it but I cannot say that there is enough emotion work up a good hate for Mississippi. Maybe a healthy distrust, but not a hate.
District of Columbia, maybe. But it isn’t a state.

@Barney @JnKL We’d all be better off if MS was part of the Gulf of Mexico.

@Barney @JnKL My kids had to do a state assignment back in elementary school with a travel brochure and they made a hat to wear in a parade representing the state. My daughter got Mississippi. Catfish capitol of the world. And Elvis. She really did try but damn.

@Barney @JnKL @sammydog01 I have lived here for far longer than I would have liked. I moved here for a job. Had I known what I was getting myself into I never would have come. Had you told me in advance though I am not sure I would have believed you. I grew up in the midwest and had no clue. As I said elsewhere in this thread I think we’d all be better off if this state was part of the Gulf of Mexico. Although a couple of the gulf small towns are nice - although that is primarily because they are on the gulf and set up to capitalize on that.

@Barney @JnKL Other than the threat of hurricanes, unreal humidity in the summer, giant hordes of mosquitoes, so many pine trees, low pay scale, low grade schooling (mostly), whats to hate? We have a short winter, usually sometime in March for a day or so, Mardi Gras, great fishing, good hunting, casinos, birthplace of Elvis, birthplace of the blues (according to some), B.B. King museum, blues trail, there is some interesting and nice places. Me? I hate it just because of the summers where you sweat looking out the window…

@JnKL Right there with you. As a Michigander, I’d nearly forgotten that Nebraska was a state.

(Edit) Ah, wait, wrong purple. I’m supposed to hate Ohio. I… guess? It’s hard to hate a featureless empty plane.

@InnocuousFarmer @JnKL Hey the last hills of the Appalachian mountains are on the east side of Cleveland. There are some really steep hills there. Mostly around Toledo it is flat as a pancake.

@nasman6 I didn’t realize Elvis was born in MS.

@nasman6 you forgot the fire ants.

@nasman6 Where were you when my daughter was in kindergarten? She could have used some help. (I saw B.B. King in concert once.)

@nasman6 @sammydog01 I saw BB many years ago and then a few months before he passed. He was an amazing performer and I felt lucky to see him on his last tour

@Kidsandliz Yep, Tupelo.

@Kidsandliz crap, yes…yes I did forget the fire ants.

@sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 I’ve been to his museum, it is a really cool setup in a place where he used to play. Learned a lot about the challenges that he overcame.

@nasman6 @sammydog01 there is a museum?!?!

And the last show I saw he only sang three or four songs. Instead of singing he sat and talked about growing up in the industry and those challenges you mentioned. In between he flirted with women in the crowd lol

The best concert I ever attended when I barely heard any singing

@sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 yep, 400 2nd St, Indianola, MS 38751 BB KING Museum. Not really near anything but it is a great place to visit.

@nasman6 @sammydog01 looks pretty cool. I will have to check it out next time I am down that way. Thanks

@f00l, right!
My regional school sports team is better than YOUR regional school sports team!

@bleedmichigan, I was reading that Virginia has a bill working itself through the bowels of the legislature so that VA will give its electoral college votes to whichever candidate wins the popular vote in the election. I thought all states did that?

@JnKL some states split the vote

@bleedmichigan @JnKL And in some they don’t have to honor who the popular vote was for, they can do what they want.

@JnKL @Kidsandliz and in most states we elect morons who work for corporations instead of the citizens.

@bleedmichigan @JnKL @Kidsandliz Here’s the official explanation of how the electoral college is set up - if you can understand it after reading it, I’d welcome an explanation.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college

@stolicat

Under Q&A (link on that page)
48 states plus district of Columbia 100% of the electoral college votes go to whoever wins in that state even if the margin for popular votes is really small. In 2 states they get split between the candidates based on popular vote. There is no rule (federal) that the electoral college people have to vote for how the popular vote ends up. The states make their own rules for how this will work in their state.

In some states there is no rule that they have to vote for who they are supposed to vote for.
(see this explanation here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector and in that, presuming the information is correct not all states fine folks who don’t vote like they are supposed to and there have been some who have not)

Copy/paste from your source
(https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq#ecpopulardiffer)

How is it possible for the electoral vote to produce a different result than the national popular vote?

It is important to remember that the President is not chosen by a national popular vote. The Electoral College vote totals determine the winner, not the statistical plurality or majority a candidate may have in the national popular vote totals. Electoral votes are awarded on the basis of the popular vote in each state.

Note that 48 out of the 50 States award Electoral votes on a winner-takes-all basis (as does the District of Columbia). For example, all 55 of California’s electoral votes go to the winner of the state election, even if the margin of victory is only 50.1 percent to 49.9 percent.

In a multi-candidate race where candidates have strong regional appeal, as in 1824, it is quite possible that a candidate who collects the most votes on a nation-wide basis will not win the electoral vote. In a two-candidate race, that is less likely to occur. But, it did occur in the Hayes/Tilden election of 1876 and the Harrison/Cleveland election of 1888 due to the statistical disparity between vote totals in individual state elections and the national vote totals. This also occurred in the 2000 presidential election, where George W. Bush received fewer popular votes than Albert Gore Jr., but received a majority of electoral votes, and the 2016 election, where Donald J. Trump received fewer popular votes than Hillary Clinton, but received a majority of electoral votes.

In 2016, even though millions more individuals voted for the Democratic candidate than the Republican candidate in CA, PA, and TX (if you add the votes from the 3 States), the Democratic party was only awarded the electors appointed in CA. Because the Republican candidate won the State popular vote in PA and TX, the Republican party was awarded 3 more total electors than the Democratic party.

CA - 8,753,788 Democratic votes cast vs 4,483,810 Republican votes cast = 55 Democratic electors

PA - 2,926,441 Democratic votes cast vs 2,970,733 Republican votes cast = 20 Republican electors

TX - 3,877,868 Democratic votes cast vs 4,685,047 Republican votes cast = 38 Republican electors

Total - 15,658,117 Democratic votes cast vs 12,139,590 Republican votes cast for the national popular vote, but 55 Democratic electors vs 58 Republican electors appointed based on each State’s popular vote.

Can my State vote for the winner of the national popular vote instead of my State’s winner?

Nothing in the Constitution prevents your State from using something other than your State’s popular vote results to appoint electors.

Each State legislature determines how the electors are allocated to candidates. As of the last election, the District of Columbia and 48 States had a winner-takes-all rule for the Electoral College. In these States, whichever candidate received a majority of the popular vote, or a plurality of the popular vote (less than 50 percent but more than any other candidate), took all of the State’s electoral votes. Only two States, Nebraska and Maine, did not follow the winner-takes-all rule. In those States, there could have been a split of electoral votes among candidates through the state’s system for proportional allocation of votes (and, in fact, there was a split in Maine’s allocation of votes in 2016 and Nebraska’s in 2008).

Any State legislature could enact legislation that would change how the Governor (or Mayor of DC) appoints its electors. So, a State legislature could require that its electors vote for a candidate who did not receive a majority of the popular vote in its State. There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States, so the States may decide to use something other than their State’s popular vote results to direct how their electors vote.

@bleedmichigan @JnKL I can’t believe there are people who can’t Google how voting works.

You’re most likely referring to this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

Which is an attempt by states to basically change state laws to override the way the electoral college currently works.

@unskol, it isn’t that we cannot google how voting works. It is more that we (I) are not motivated enough to google how voting works.
Besides, I decided years ago to get my political information from Facebook, not Meh.

@Kidsandliz Thanks, I understand the how (I’ve read these many times), just can’t easily grok the why.

@Kidsandliz @stolicat At the founding of the country, a national popular vote was not feasible.

An additional factor is concern by rural areas over having the government being dominated by a few geographically and culturally isolated urban centers. I think that’s also why each state only gets two senators.

@Kidsandliz @Limewater @stolicat
Somewhat correct. It wasn’t “rural states”, but rather it was the southern agricultural states that depended on slavery for their economies and vested voting power in white land-owners, not everyone was part of their “We the people” club. The electoral college was a compromise to the slave states to get them to join the new union.

@Kidsandliz @mike808 @stolicat Well, the southern states were the rural ones at the time.
Given that only three of the states in the north actually allowed black people to vote, and two of those took away that right in the following decades, I’m curious how serious a consideration that was. It was certainly brought up, though.
And the northern states had a higher (white) populations overall than the southern states at the time. I’m not sure about total demographics.

What I didn’t realize until I looked at it this morning is that, in the initial setup, the southern states were allowed to count slaves at a 2/5 rate in assigning votes for the electoral college. That seems to be how Virginia dominated early U.S. Presidential elections.

@Kidsandliz @Limewater @mike808 @stolicat
SCOTUS is poised to address the issue of (faithless) electors not voting as they were ‘directed’ by the election results.

@macromeh And I just can’t understand it, considering how often our unreasonably wealthy come and buy up entire towns and gentrify farming areas and build spas and resorts and private clubs and take advantage of lower property taxes so that no rancher or farmer or any of the businesses that support rural economies can afford to live there anymore. I mean, c’mon, they’re making very good jobs for locals as waiters and groundskeepers. People can be so unappreciative …

@unksol, do you drive through Illinois often enough for CC laws to be a problem?

@JnKL isn’t once enough? But if you are driving from Indiana anywhere out west. You’re going through Illinois. It’s not an option. Lake Michigan is in the way. And that’s just where the highways are. Having a giant roadblock in the way for no reason. Doing something legal in every other state on your route when you don’t even want to be in that shit hole. Where just minding your own business is a felony. Pretty annoying. The speed people drive in Illinois is way more dangerous.

@unksol driving from Iowa to Indiana or Kentucky, I have the same problem. While I don’t hate Nebraska, I can say I hate Illinois. Or at least I hate their gun laws.

@therealjrn So, we can’t have any fun with stuff like this? I’ll remember this the next time when I post something.

@therealjrn

Around here the regional-based and the sports-fan-generated “hatred” and kidding around are kinda seen as signs of long term affection. And also as standard conversation-openers; as mentioning the weather can be.

Many groups and teams play out these cliche “hatreds” in group rituals with good-natured intentions: to honor the long-lived rivalries. I knew of a house in DFW where the front door was 1/2 orange (for the Longhorns) and 1/2 maroon (for the Tx Aggies).

However, not everyone likes this humor or goes along with it, so it can be received as unwelcome or tiresome.

And it can get out of hand or go too far:
as when my Dad, with my brother & his family attended an Ohio State/Longhorn football game played in Ohio. My family were wearing burnt orange.

While crossing the parking lot and entering the stadium, my Dad, then in his late 80’s, repeatedly got spit on and cursed at by home team partisans, and a few Buckeye fans deliberately sloshed beer onto him.

Uh, yeah. Manners, people.

@Barney

So, we can’t have any fun with stuff like this?

Oh. Um…sure, go ahead. Don’t mind me.

@JT954 I think you can just say you hate Florida. No one is going to disagree and according to the chart …

@medz Didn’t the Donner Party hang around for a few months?

@JnKL @medz some of them did stay for dinner…

@chienfou @JnKL

@cocopuffswt04

We need Louisiana. We need the music, the culture, the food.

NEED.

Kinda hard to hate a place so many people wanna visit. Esp since there’s no “obnoxious reputation”.

@cocopuffswt04 @f00l but Louisiana hates Alabama, and @rustyh3 above says there’s nothing in Alabama to hate, but Alabama hates Florida, and Florida hates itself.

Looks like Hawaii is the only one that no one hates and hates no one.

@tinamarie1974 I’ve learned my lesson, I’m staying away from all maps.

@Barney