@ThomasF that’s one of my life goals. Not to die there, but to hike it. Headed to Japan this October with the family, but will likely have to wait for a different trip.
@ThomasF it took me a few tries of looking at this thread to notice it said pettiest. I thought the Twitter question and all the replies here were intentionally weird.
@dashcloud I am in no place to tell the scientists what is best for them. I haven’t used it since high school though so it may as well not exist as far as I am concerned.
@thismyusername I think he means Celsius is less precise, which is true in that a difference of one degree is bigger in Celsius than Fahrenheit.
For everyday use, that difference almost never matters - people will make the same rationalisations about “better” depending on which system they grew up with.
Fahrenheit has the advantage of 100 °F being near to human body temperature - something everyone is familiar with - but 0 °F is just an arbitrary sub-freezing temperature. Conversely, Celsius has a pretty obvious 0 point, and if you grew up remembering 40 °C instead of 100 °F, that part will seem natural.
It’s either that the free end of toilet paper should come over the top of the roll, or that dishes should be rinsed off and not placed in the sink with food on them.
@djslack I used to be an under the bottom of the role die-hard. More recently, I’m more ambidextrous. But I’ve found that the angle and height of the holder relative to the toilet matters a lot more for ease of unrolling.
More important than how the TP unrolls is whether you sit or stand to use it.
@djslack how about just being able to get the toilet paper replaced in the first place. The men in my house will leave an empty roll on the holder until they finally need. The heck with the next person who isn’t going to realize it’s empty until too late. Hey people, NOT EVERYONE CAN PEE STANDING UP!!!
@mehbee i have a similar problem with other housemates not willing to refill - i’m not convinced it is gender specific
i am old, for those of you that don’t know already
i only learned in the last few years, from my child(ren) that it mattered, which way the TP came off - for me it was always random for more than 50 years
Meh.be we shouldn’t worry so much about TP - that’s my mantra, until it’s not (Charmin commercial just played on TV - weird)
@Yoda_Daenerys You’re right, it doesn’t necessarily have to be gender specific, I’m just surrounded by the Y chromosome in my house, especially every other weekend. I find myself hiding and hoarding rolls in each bathroom in case I’m alone. That way no physical harm has to come to the one who forgot to replace it…<sigh> its a hard job always thinking of others. As for the direction it comes of the roll, at my age, I’m just glad its there!
@lisaviolet That is exactly what my cats did. Even though I married a man who’s allergic to cats (what was I thinking) I still put the paper under. Dogs are cool too.
@jbartus I know!!! I feel the same way about the people who wait behind the line. It’s super inconsiderate to make all the people behind you wait even longer, and dangerous to back up left turn lane traffic–as well as SUPER dangerous to attempt left turns from two car lengths back instead of in the proper position to turn left.
@phatmass I sure am. I don’t think my being a few seconds or minutes earlier to my destination justifies the endangerment of others on the road. If I’m causing someone to have to react I’m not driving responsibly.
@phatmass Do you live in a city? I can’t imagine a single car length mattering at all in any of the places that I drive.
I mean, I’m going to follow the same path through the intersection in any case, the traffic behind me is going to be constrained by my rate of acceleration / quickness on the gas more than my position (and that of cars behind me), and it’s very rare that I won’t get through the intersection anyways. (And usually, everyone does.)
The only time I would pull forward is to signal to all the other traffic that I am turning left, come hell or high water, or red lights. That is occasionally a message that requires communication.
I have great appreciation for people on modestly-congested interstates who adjust their speed to allow maneuvering by other cars (accelerating, decelerating, or maybe shifting lanes to open up space here and there). Takes more attention than most people will muster.
@jbartus please explain to me how properly entering an intersection to start your left turn in a safer position to actually make the left turn is more dangerous than starting your left turn from two car lengths back. Honestly confused on how this is more dangerous.
@InnocuousFarmer I live near two cities, and there are some intersections that never have a protected arrow left turn–only a green light left turn that requires you to wait for oncoming traffic to clear. During rush hour, the ONLY way to turn left is to wait for the oncoming traffic to stop at red, and then legally complete your left turn from the middle of the intersection. If you wait behind the line for a clearing, you would literally be waiting for 2 hours to make your left turn. How is this safer or more considerate for the traffic behind you that is backing up?
I don’t think my being a few seconds or minutes earlier to my
destination
We say this all the time about people who speed in residential areas. We’re talking less than a mile to a street where the speed limit is 45. Here in our area, the residential speed limit is usually 25mph. Seriously, how much time will you save going 45mph instead of 25mph for a mile?
@lisaviolet yes, speeding or driving in an unsafe manner is dangerous and inconsiderate for sure. With four kids, I worry about this all the time in my neighborhood. But @jbartus is saying that making a legal left turn the proper way (by first entering the intersection) is somehow more dangerous–but it’s actually less dangerous.
@phatmass in your case, sounds like you’re doing the right thing. In my case, I was only saying that it makes no difference, the majority of the time. And it sounds like, when it does make a difference, I’m doing the same thing you are.
Though, I do get slightly annoyed at people who edge forward about half an inch here and there for no reason at stop lights. That’s a different thing.
Can’t edit the previous post. Anyways, it never occurred to me that there was a “right” or “wrong” approach in general. It’s pretty obviously a good idea with any amount of congestion to pull forward, though. Gives you better visibility, signals intent, lets others see you… the only new concept to me was the idea that you’re making room behind you. Probably would have been more on my mind if I ever did any city driving (I’m basically incompetent in urban settings, for lack of practice.)
@InnocuousFarmer Right. I think people fear getting stuck in the intersection after the light turns red–which is actually impossible, because the traffic coming from your left and right sides will not get a green light until the oncoming traffic gets a red light–at which time you can safely complete your left turn.
@phatmass Yeah, maybe that, or I’ve got a six-way intersection where rolling forward at an angle might have a different implication to oncoming traffic. I could imagine sending a similar mixed signal when you’ve only got cars in a single oncoming lane and you’re car #2, say, and #1 just turned left.
Maybe people grow up in those scenarios and don’t adjust to being in denser traffic.
@phatmass safely being the key word from that video. Pulling into a Crossing traffic lane and sitting there waiting for the other side to have an opening is not safe. If I misunderstood what you were talking about and you’re simply talking about rolling forward beyond the stop line to position yourself for a left turn at an intersection without obstructing the other flow of traffic in any way then I have no problem with that. For some reason I originally thought you were talking about people exiting parking lot or crossing and or turning at a four-way intersection with a two-way stop who think it’s okay to pull into the crossing lane of traffic and obstruct the flow of traffic to force an opening for them to get through.
@phatmass Meh. You’re right, it is petty. Generally I pull out, but only when my getting through the intersection is highly probable. In any case, usually I can see when an opening is about to occur and I time to pull out and hit it just fine.
You’re wrong about folks not getting stuck in the intersection; and maybe it’s just because the traffic engineers where you live are more logical with signal sequencing and timing. Alas, I live in Texas and some of the sequencing and timing are just batshit crazy.
More importantly, everywhere that I can think of that I’ve lived or driven, folks like you routinely get stuck in the intersection. Usually they just go on the red light, but that’s fucking obnoxious, not to mention dangerous. And there’s creep: one person pulls out, and the next and the next person pull out behind them; so then you’ve got three assholes going through after the red.
What do you think about yellow arrows? That’s a definite hang back situation. And in fact, more and more, engineers are realizing that for busy intersections, a protected left turn is a necessity. I don’t know what the fuck is up with those yellow arrows. They’re almost worse than a regular green light (though I see that they’re in some ways preferable, maybe).
As a general rule, I agree that people should . . .
be wholly attentive to their driving;
remember that the shared purpose of taking to the road is to arrive at a destination as efficiently and safely as possible (IOW, whatever you do that’s contrary demonstrates that you’re a narcissistic, idiotic ass);
keep up with the traffic in front of them–allowing safe, but not excessive distance, which means that coming from a stop at an intersection, you should be up on the ass of the person in front of you (this is not that same as tailgating at higher speeds, of which I very much disapprove);
be considerate of all drivers, but, yes, in particular the poor fucks behind them, because these folks are always being screwed (“oh, I’m so heroic, I just let five cars–most of which immediately pulled up–to get in front of me; fuck those losers behind me who’ve been waiting for five minutes to crawl forward a few car lengths”; I want to hurt these heroes).
IMO, if everyone kept these principles in mind, there’d be no need for (and indeed, the principles in part argue against) pulling into the intersection prematurely in anticipation of a left turn.
But my opposition to you isn’t a hill I’m willing to die on. Turn signals maybe; but that’s not petty.
@joelmw Regarding point 4, I have no issue with someone letting the occasional car out of a side street to join the flow. The people I resent are the assholes who take advantage of that kindness and push out behind the car that was being let out resulting in five cars being let in instead of the one that was meant to.
My biggest gripes aren’t turn signals or this, though. My biggest gripe is people who don’t recognize that their headlights aren’t just there to enable them to see but also to enable others to see them resulting in their leaving them off in rain, dusk, and other low light situations when they absolutely should be one. Following that it’s people who don’t merge in a courteous and orderly manner. When two lanes merge the reasonable thing is that cars alternate one at a time from each lane in proceeding. There’s no other reasonable way. And don’t even get me started on people driving on the shoulder.
@jbartus I agree that the assholes who take advantage are particularly resentable. And I definitely agree with what you said about headlights.
Not that that makes me feel any less strongly about the other issues, but I do see that the items you raised are perhaps less thought of, so they do deserve additional emphasis.
@joelmw You said “You’re wrong about folks not getting stuck in the intersection”. I don’t think you are really thinking about what you are saying. HOW would anyone get stuck in an intersection? Cross traffic (the cars coming from the left or right side) will NEVER get a green light until the oncoming cars (the traffic you are trying to cross) get a red light. Traffic lights will never have intersecting traffic both have green lights at the same time. THAT is crazy. So, if you re-think what you said, you’ll realize that cars turning left will always have an opportunity to safely complete their turn after the oncoming traffic stops. Thanks for your time.
@joelmw You also said, “folks like you routinely get stuck in the intersection. Usually they just go on the red light, but that’s f*** obnoxious, not to mention dangerous”… No, they don’t “go on a red light”, they entered the intersection on a GREEN light, which is perfectly legal. Also, I repeat, it is SAFER to turn across oncoming traffic when you are already in the proper turning position (as opposed to the people who start their turn from behind the line, making the turn take longer, thus increasing the potential of misjudged fast oncoming traffic to hit you).
As a Utah Jazz fan, I can’t see getting over this one anytime soon. Called off 3-pointer in a game the Jazz end up losing by 1. Super petty, but its also the closest the Jazz have ever been to a championship.
When I believe I am right, I will never concede ground. Although I am willing to agree to disagree, or abandon an argument that clearly isn’t going to achieve anything.
@ThomasF@RiotDemon I like how you put it as “taxonomy.” That is quite true. And certainly overwhelming. I did find https://mapofmetal.com to be quite interesting!
As a more casual connoisseur of metal, I was always boggled whenever my brother would start talking about all the different genres and sub-genres of metal and other rock branches.
@thejackalope I remember vh1 having a special where it was around 8 hour long episodes diving into different genres and how they broke down with clips from music videos highlighting some of the more influential bands. It was really helpful, but I didn’t see all the episodes.
@lisaviolet I wonder if this might be some kind of dialect thing. I know I try to use correct pronunciations of words, but there are a few that the phonetic pronunciation is just impossible for me. Like my mother/father’s sister to me has to be “ant” and not pronounced like all the other “au” words that I do say correctly, like gaunt, flaunt, audible, etc.
@lisaviolet That’s true. The G thing is funny to me, but I’ve found that it’s typically true that G followed by I and E is the soft version, and hard when followed by A, O, and U. As a Jerry with a G it’s a big peeve of mine, because I’m not Gary.
@lisaviolet I think of all of these genuinely petty responses, yours is the one that most moves me. And I decided that before even seeing it was from you. But it is petty. And I wouldn’t die there.
@mehbee Packing efficiently into a small carry-on that fits under my seat and then watching people who paid the same ticket price as me bring multiple suitcases onto the plane and take up more than their fair share of overhead bin space and cause everyone behind them to wait.
@phatmass Yes, that totally makes me fume also, but it eventually circles backs around to the fact that it might not be that way if the airlines didn’t charge! It does chap my hide that people, especially frequent flyers think they are so special that they can do pretty much whatever they want, like bring an entire wardrobe to carry on.
I did notice when I flew in April that the gate agents were making people check carry ons when the overheads filled up. I didn’t mind so much, except I had medicine, books, and thinks that couldn’t really be checked because if they got lost it would have been a bad deal. Luckily I paid attention, as soon as I realized I would probably be one of the ones that had to check my bag, I swapped over as much as I could from my wheeled bag to my BIG purse/laptop bag. It didn’t hurt my feelings to have to try to find room in the overhead and have to pull it all through the airport and the bag was there so quickly that it ended up working in my favor.
I am currently mad at an anonymous writer at tvtropes.com for implying that Carole Lombard had something to do with the technique of filming actresses in soft focus to hide aging/skin imperfections, when every thinking person knows that the technique was pioneered by a cinematographer working for D.W. Griffith to film Lillian Gish in Broken Blossoms. This movie was made when Carole Lombard was 10 or 11 years old, and she did not work on it.
I know that Carole Lombard is cooler to name drop than Lillian Gish or D.W. Griffith, but don’t base stuff you write online on one biography you read at some point. People who don’t know any better will believe you and then the true facts will eventually be lost forever.
I did some research this afternoon to make sure the anonymous writer was wrong. The book I read is, I think, in my car, and I didn’t want to get dressed, so my research was crappy and online and stopped when I found something that vaguely related to my equally vague memory.
I also hate when skirts are described as high-waisted and the accompanying photo shows a waistband below the navel. THAT IS NOT HIGH-WAISTED, STRANGER WHO PROBABLY IS NOT FLUENT IN ENGLISH ON THE INTERNET.
@Yoda_Daenerys I may have overstated my case a little. But perhaps I believe reserves of strong opinions involving silent screen actresses lie hidden within us all…
/giphy this better not awaken anything in me
Tvtropes appeared to be mostly maintained by the quite-young.
It’s a great site. But.
-They’re young.
-They’re not professionals.
-Most do not appear to know how to serious research. They’re more like fanatic fans.
-They learn heavily in examples from the last 10-15 years while ignoring world famous blockbusters, legendary films, Oscar winners, etc, from earlier times. Prob because they haven’t seen them.
-they don’t seem to know how to fact-check.
-you can tell when you hit an entry maintained by someone with a few decades of serious history and experience. It shows.
-most of them didn’t major in lit or theater or go to film school. It shows. —But they are passionate, educated, they care, and they know a lot of millennial stuff. Take the good with the bad.
It’s a wiki. You can volunteer to work in it, if you have the energy.
@mossygreen Gottfried Wilhelm (GW) AKA “Billy” Bitzer shot Broken Blossoms and most all of that film is soft. Yes, Bitzer is credited with inventing soft focus photography with the aid of a light diffusion screen - but he was using this technique in The Painted Lady (1912) and in The Birth of a Nation (1915) years before Blossoms (1919) was even conceived.
I was under the impression that the soft focus was purposeful:
Matching this contrast in pace is the contrast between incredibly soft-focus, misty, impressionistic scenes of China or the Limehouse docks or Cheng Huan’s adoration contrasted to ordinary sharp-focus, reportorial shots of, say, Battling Burrows’ prizefight. “Atmospheric” deep shots contrast to flat on, proscenium arch scenes. The film is tinted, part pink, part yellow, part ordinary black-and-white, associated with different contexts.
Additionally, there are several cuts in Broken where Gish is in very sharp focus. He could have easily cleaned that in post with his pioneering tinting application(s) or flashed the film / canister before developing with the aid of a diffusion screen in post.
If Bitzer intentionally shot Broken soft to hide imperfections of Gish it certainly wasn’t his first time doing so - as Nation employs the technique in 1915 very purposefully to hide certain facial issues resulting from a common cold that Mae Marsh suffered during shooting.
Just curious, is the book you mention Bitzer’s autobiography which was published in 1973 (30+ years after his death)?
And yes - I’ll probably die on this hill . . . LMAO.
@Pavlov I clearly just know enough to 1) get mad at strangers on the internet and then 2) get myself into trouble. But thank you! The important thing is that it had nothing to do with Carole Lombard and everything to do with D.W. Griffith. I honestly can’t remember what book it was, or when I read it (could have been any time in the past 25 years). I just remember reading that Lillian Gish was playing much younger than her actual age and that the audience gasped at how youthful she looked. Turns out the book in my car was a very yellowed paperback of Movie Magic: The Story of Special Effects in the Cinema and no help at all.
Anyway, I’m happy to have such erudite company on this hill.
I’ll disagree while not caring much about almost anything. But to leash myself to a stake on a hilltop… subjects where I cannot avoid being insistent… probably either ranting about Apple hardware or insisting on correct spelling of the common homophones.
There’s that whole technology/surveillance soapbox, but I don’t think that is petty enough.
@JerseyFrank Damn- I gotta hear more about this. (If you’re one of those Cel-da people, we may have a problem).
Do you also have strong opinions on Super Metroid?
@dashcloud I’m not one of those people. I loved the style. The issue is that the balance of risk/reward wasn’t there. I’ve forgotten the exact problems, but there were two glaring issues, if I remember correctly. First, the dungeons were grossly long and contained fetch-quest prizes rather than power-ups and triforce pieces. Those same dungeons threw off the pacing, which led to problem #2 - The random, no-skill crane that sped the plot along by putting triforce pieces one button click away. It made no sense and I felt like someone had just scrapped the 2nd half of the game but couldn’t fix the story; so they just dropped the triforce around to keep the story intact.
@dashcloud Super Metroid? I have an opinion. I loved it. I should go back and replay it just to see if I still do, but I’m afraid it will strip away the pleasant glow of nostalgia.
@JerseyFrank Interesting- thanks for sharing. I’d put Skyward Sword behind Wind Waker because it’s got too much guided things, has an actual gamebreaking bug, and a little for the motion controls (not bad, but fighting Ganon kinda sucked).
I will die on this hill, @dashcloud! Skyward Sword’s gamebreaking bug is unlikely to happen. Anyone who plays Wind Waker will have to deal with all the terrible things about it. I have some forgiveness for WWHD because I’m told they improved the sailing and reworked the triforce part a bit. This makes the triforce fetch quest unbalanced but at least not as tedious. But it was more than just a bad game; it stopped future Zelda games from using that style. In the end, we get BotW - possibly the best game I’ve ever played - but imagine what we’d have gotten had the “Celda” game been successful. Wind Waker can lick an unmentionable area of my body.
I’m feeling pretty judgey. These are in fact petty hills. I keep trying to think of a petty hill I’d die on, but every time I think I have, I realize that, no, it’s not petty; it matters. I can let the rest go.
Oh, here’s one for all the Christian Death fans I’m sure are here: Valor sucks. Roz rules. I’ll never, never let it go. While Valor Kand is alive and touring as Christian Death, I’ll be saying VALOR SUCKS. Even if he stopped, or died, actually, I’d still be saying it. No one would care, and my one friend would be like, “The Wind-Kissed Pictures is pretty good.” And I would reply, “NO. VALOR SUCKS.”
It pisses me off when people randomly put corn in things. Salsas. Salads. Don’t impose your kernels on me. Also this is my first post in the Meh forums and I’m not even sorry it’s about corn.
@daveinwarsh Dave! Good to hear from you (It’s Amy Nance, formerly of The-Other-Deals-Site-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named).
So about that corn. I think it all comes down to setting expectations. If I order corn chips or corn bread, I expect there to be corn in them. But just adding kernels to things all willy-nilly, well, I just can’t get behind that.
@TitsMcGee FYI the powers that be around here do not care if you mention that other places name. Feel free to use it if you see fit. They also don’t give a flying fuck if you curse, so feel free to celebrate that at any time!
I like corn as much, or more, then the next guy…but yes I always find it very odd when its randomly dropped into unexpected places. Usually I just ignore it and eat around it.
@TitsMcGee COUNTERPOINT: Chinese corn-shaped and -flavored gummy candy is super-great and delicious. But I don’t think it has any actual corn in it, so your point remains.
PS: OH MY GOD IT’S AMY.
Apparently I am one of those people you don’t like. I’m not a big fan of the super common tomato salsas preferring to make interesting ones like salsa verde or any manner of others including corn-based ones. I’m not sure I’ve ever had a salad with corn in it before but I can’t say I’d be opposed to the idea either, I’m a big fan of sweet corn in general.
Mount Fuji
Oh. Pettiest, not prettiest.
Oh…
@ThomasF that’s one of my life goals. Not to die there, but to hike it. Headed to Japan this October with the family, but will likely have to wait for a different trip.
@ThomasF damn I did it too
@ThomasF it took me a few tries of looking at this thread to notice it said pettiest. I thought the Twitter question and all the replies here were intentionally weird.
@ThomasF That’s how I read it too.
@ThomasF LOL… That’s what I thought it said at first. My answer would have been:
Faith Hill
The top of my own head, I think? It’s quite petty.
Perhaps some idiotic rant topic that moves me to “greatness” will drift my way and offer a better answer for me to share.
/giphy greatness
Fahrenheit is waaaay better for regular everyday use than celsius. Celsius is less accurate and is dumb.
Before you say it, I don’t need to know when water boils.
@Moose What are your thoughts on Kelvins?
@dashcloud Is that what the commercials were talking about when they used to say “nothing comes between me and my kelvins”?
@dashcloud I am in no place to tell the scientists what is best for them. I haven’t used it since high school though so it may as well not exist as far as I am concerned.
@Moose more accurate?
seriously? like red is closer to blue than yellow is to burgundy?
or do you mean more accurate in the sense that coffe is more like math than oranges are to volleyball?
accuracy meigh bee some watt objectidge.
@Moose Do you have a problem with decimals?
lol
@thismyusername I think he means Celsius is less precise, which is true in that a difference of one degree is bigger in Celsius than Fahrenheit.
For everyday use, that difference almost never matters - people will make the same rationalisations about “better” depending on which system they grew up with.
Fahrenheit has the advantage of 100 °F being near to human body temperature - something everyone is familiar with - but 0 °F is just an arbitrary sub-freezing temperature. Conversely, Celsius has a pretty obvious 0 point, and if you grew up remembering 40 °C instead of 100 °F, that part will seem natural.
@trisk
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American cheese is vile and an insult to all good real cheese.
Cheese wiz is stupid too.
@CaptAmehrican Today I turned down a free order of chili cheese tater tots at lunch because the cheese was some lame cheez whiz style sauce.
@CaptAmehrican Blasphemy! Cheese wiz is sacred. as well as triscuit
@CaptAmehrican
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I didn’t claw my way to the top of the food chain just to eat veggies.
It’s either that the free end of toilet paper should come over the top of the roll, or that dishes should be rinsed off and not placed in the sink with food on them.
@djslack Toilet paper free end over the top? You don’t have cats, do you.
@lisaviolet Nope, but that’s the only excuse for that that doesn’t qualify someone as a monster.
@lisaviolet My sister used to have to stick a push-pin into the very top of the roll to keep her cat from TPing the entire apartment.
@djslack I used to be an under the bottom of the role die-hard. More recently, I’m more ambidextrous. But I’ve found that the angle and height of the holder relative to the toilet matters a lot more for ease of unrolling.
More important than how the TP unrolls is whether you sit or stand to use it.
@djslack how about just being able to get the toilet paper replaced in the first place. The men in my house will leave an empty roll on the holder until they finally need. The heck with the next person who isn’t going to realize it’s empty until too late. Hey people, NOT EVERYONE CAN PEE STANDING UP!!!
@magic_cave ROFL
@mehbee i have a similar problem with other housemates not willing to refill - i’m not convinced it is gender specific
i am old, for those of you that don’t know already
i only learned in the last few years, from my child(ren) that it mattered, which way the TP came off - for me it was always random for more than 50 years
Meh.be we shouldn’t worry so much about TP - that’s my mantra, until it’s not (Charmin commercial just played on TV - weird)
@Yoda_Daenerys You’re right, it doesn’t necessarily have to be gender specific, I’m just surrounded by the Y chromosome in my house, especially every other weekend. I find myself hiding and hoarding rolls in each bathroom in case I’m alone. That way no physical harm has to come to the one who forgot to replace it…<sigh> its a hard job always thinking of others. As for the direction it comes of the roll, at my age, I’m just glad its there!
@djslack
@lisaviolet That is exactly what my cats did. Even though I married a man who’s allergic to cats (what was I thinking) I still put the paper under. Dogs are cool too.
@djslack before anyone starts thinking that because of a cat or any other reason the under is an okay way… let me show you the original patent
don’t be a freak.
@thismyusername So, what’s your point (from someone who has cats)?
I’m not going to waste toilet paper because you think I’m a freak.
Crowder’s Mountain. I’m a pragmatist.
ALWAYS pull out into the intersection when waiting on a left turn. The people who don’t are idiot drivers.
@phatmass
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@phatmass depending on local or state law, it can be illegal to enter an intersection if you can’t get through it before the light changes.
@Thumperchick NOT TRUE. Bad driver!!! Bad driver!!!
@phatmass I find that drivers who do this are some of the most self absorbed, inconsiderate, and dangerous people on the road.
@jbartus I know!!! I feel the same way about the people who wait behind the line. It’s super inconsiderate to make all the people behind you wait even longer, and dangerous to back up left turn lane traffic–as well as SUPER dangerous to attempt left turns from two car lengths back instead of in the proper position to turn left.
@phatmass I can’t tell if you’re being sincere or not.
@jbartus I am being sincere. Please don’t tell me you are one of the people who wait behind the line.
@phatmass I sure am. I don’t think my being a few seconds or minutes earlier to my destination justifies the endangerment of others on the road. If I’m causing someone to have to react I’m not driving responsibly.
@phatmass Do you live in a city? I can’t imagine a single car length mattering at all in any of the places that I drive.
I mean, I’m going to follow the same path through the intersection in any case, the traffic behind me is going to be constrained by my rate of acceleration / quickness on the gas more than my position (and that of cars behind me), and it’s very rare that I won’t get through the intersection anyways. (And usually, everyone does.)
The only time I would pull forward is to signal to all the other traffic that I am turning left, come hell or high water, or red lights. That is occasionally a message that requires communication.
I have great appreciation for people on modestly-congested interstates who adjust their speed to allow maneuvering by other cars (accelerating, decelerating, or maybe shifting lanes to open up space here and there). Takes more attention than most people will muster.
@jbartus please explain to me how properly entering an intersection to start your left turn in a safer position to actually make the left turn is more dangerous than starting your left turn from two car lengths back. Honestly confused on how this is more dangerous.
@InnocuousFarmer I live near two cities, and there are some intersections that never have a protected arrow left turn–only a green light left turn that requires you to wait for oncoming traffic to clear. During rush hour, the ONLY way to turn left is to wait for the oncoming traffic to stop at red, and then legally complete your left turn from the middle of the intersection. If you wait behind the line for a clearing, you would literally be waiting for 2 hours to make your left turn. How is this safer or more considerate for the traffic behind you that is backing up?
@jbartus
We say this all the time about people who speed in residential areas. We’re talking less than a mile to a street where the speed limit is 45. Here in our area, the residential speed limit is usually 25mph. Seriously, how much time will you save going 45mph instead of 25mph for a mile?
@lisaviolet yes, speeding or driving in an unsafe manner is dangerous and inconsiderate for sure. With four kids, I worry about this all the time in my neighborhood. But @jbartus is saying that making a legal left turn the proper way (by first entering the intersection) is somehow more dangerous–but it’s actually less dangerous.
Skip to 1:55 on the above video, then read this DMV approved Drivers Education course direct quote: “…you need to move forward safely to the middle of the intersection and wait until oncoming traffic is fully clear…” https://www.driverseducationusa.com/resources/making-a-left-turn-or-u-turn-at-the-intersection/
@phatmass
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/hdbk/turns
So, starting the turn would have one in the intersection, correct?
I was taught in driver’s ed a million years ago to pull into the intersection and wait patiently for the chance to complete the left turn.
@phatmass in your case, sounds like you’re doing the right thing. In my case, I was only saying that it makes no difference, the majority of the time. And it sounds like, when it does make a difference, I’m doing the same thing you are.
Though, I do get slightly annoyed at people who edge forward about half an inch here and there for no reason at stop lights. That’s a different thing.
Can’t edit the previous post. Anyways, it never occurred to me that there was a “right” or “wrong” approach in general. It’s pretty obviously a good idea with any amount of congestion to pull forward, though. Gives you better visibility, signals intent, lets others see you… the only new concept to me was the idea that you’re making room behind you. Probably would have been more on my mind if I ever did any city driving (I’m basically incompetent in urban settings, for lack of practice.)
@InnocuousFarmer Right. I think people fear getting stuck in the intersection after the light turns red–which is actually impossible, because the traffic coming from your left and right sides will not get a green light until the oncoming traffic gets a red light–at which time you can safely complete your left turn.
@phatmass Yeah, maybe that, or I’ve got a six-way intersection where rolling forward at an angle might have a different implication to oncoming traffic. I could imagine sending a similar mixed signal when you’ve only got cars in a single oncoming lane and you’re car #2, say, and #1 just turned left.
Maybe people grow up in those scenarios and don’t adjust to being in denser traffic.
@phatmass safely being the key word from that video. Pulling into a Crossing traffic lane and sitting there waiting for the other side to have an opening is not safe. If I misunderstood what you were talking about and you’re simply talking about rolling forward beyond the stop line to position yourself for a left turn at an intersection without obstructing the other flow of traffic in any way then I have no problem with that. For some reason I originally thought you were talking about people exiting parking lot or crossing and or turning at a four-way intersection with a two-way stop who think it’s okay to pull into the crossing lane of traffic and obstruct the flow of traffic to force an opening for them to get through.
@phatmass Just watch out for the car in the second oncoming lane gunning it from 3 car lengths back on a stale yellow.
@jbartus Oh, cool. Yeah. Misunderstanding. I respect you again!
@phatmass Meh. You’re right, it is petty.
Generally I pull out, but only when my getting through the intersection is highly probable. In any case, usually I can see when an opening is about to occur and I time to pull out and hit it just fine.
You’re wrong about folks not getting stuck in the intersection; and maybe it’s just because the traffic engineers where you live are more logical with signal sequencing and timing. Alas, I live in Texas and some of the sequencing and timing are just batshit crazy.
More importantly, everywhere that I can think of that I’ve lived or driven, folks like you routinely get stuck in the intersection. Usually they just go on the red light, but that’s fucking obnoxious, not to mention dangerous. And there’s creep: one person pulls out, and the next and the next person pull out behind them; so then you’ve got three assholes going through after the red.
What do you think about yellow arrows? That’s a definite hang back situation. And in fact, more and more, engineers are realizing that for busy intersections, a protected left turn is a necessity. I don’t know what the fuck is up with those yellow arrows. They’re almost worse than a regular green light (though I see that they’re in some ways preferable, maybe).
As a general rule, I agree that people should . . .
IMO, if everyone kept these principles in mind, there’d be no need for (and indeed, the principles in part argue against) pulling into the intersection prematurely in anticipation of a left turn.
But my opposition to you isn’t a hill I’m willing to die on. Turn signals maybe; but that’s not petty.
@joelmw Regarding point 4, I have no issue with someone letting the occasional car out of a side street to join the flow. The people I resent are the assholes who take advantage of that kindness and push out behind the car that was being let out resulting in five cars being let in instead of the one that was meant to.
My biggest gripes aren’t turn signals or this, though. My biggest gripe is people who don’t recognize that their headlights aren’t just there to enable them to see but also to enable others to see them resulting in their leaving them off in rain, dusk, and other low light situations when they absolutely should be one. Following that it’s people who don’t merge in a courteous and orderly manner. When two lanes merge the reasonable thing is that cars alternate one at a time from each lane in proceeding. There’s no other reasonable way. And don’t even get me started on people driving on the shoulder.
@jbartus I agree that the assholes who take advantage are particularly resentable. And I definitely agree with what you said about headlights.
Not that that makes me feel any less strongly about the other issues, but I do see that the items you raised are perhaps less thought of, so they do deserve additional emphasis.
Damnit, I hate being so agreeable.
@joelmw You said “You’re wrong about folks not getting stuck in the intersection”. I don’t think you are really thinking about what you are saying. HOW would anyone get stuck in an intersection? Cross traffic (the cars coming from the left or right side) will NEVER get a green light until the oncoming cars (the traffic you are trying to cross) get a red light. Traffic lights will never have intersecting traffic both have green lights at the same time. THAT is crazy. So, if you re-think what you said, you’ll realize that cars turning left will always have an opportunity to safely complete their turn after the oncoming traffic stops. Thanks for your time.
@joelmw You also said, “folks like you routinely get stuck in the intersection. Usually they just go on the red light, but that’s f*** obnoxious, not to mention dangerous”… No, they don’t “go on a red light”, they entered the intersection on a GREEN light, which is perfectly legal. Also, I repeat, it is SAFER to turn across oncoming traffic when you are already in the proper turning position (as opposed to the people who start their turn from behind the line, making the turn take longer, thus increasing the potential of misjudged fast oncoming traffic to hit you).
As a Utah Jazz fan, I can’t see getting over this one anytime soon. Called off 3-pointer in a game the Jazz end up losing by 1. Super petty, but its also the closest the Jazz have ever been to a championship.
Windows XP bliss
why do they put so much extra air in amazon packages? sometimes it’s more than half the box.
and it’s just plain ol’ amazon warehouse air, not special Meh Texas Air.
@f00l optimizing shipping cost against shipping damage, the formula is something like this:
min(box((purchase size box))REF:shipping rate]] then pack air MAX(( defferential{{ --dump air**}} = minimum
@Yoda_Daenerys
Sounds good. And I know what they wish to minimize are damages to shipped merchant and human handling time.
But every time I open a box and see at that air, some part of my mind goes all irrational about it tho.
When I believe I am right, I will never concede ground. Although I am willing to agree to disagree, or abandon an argument that clearly isn’t going to achieve anything.
@moondrake
Everything you’ve shared gets you
/giphy respect
@f00l Your kindness invariably brightens my day.
Bottled salad dressing is crap. How come the stuff that they have at salad bars is so much better?
@lisaviolet It’s the sneezes…
/giphy salad bar sneeze
@thejackalope No, yuck. That’s what the sneeze guards are for.
@lisaviolet because it is usually made fresh… especially the ranch and italian
Black metal and death metal are very different beasts. Don’t even get me started on blackened death.
@ThomasF Maybe @RiotDemon can confirm this for us?
@dashcloud lol, I was going to reply and then I discarded it.
Something about how non metal people think that all metal is just noise and/or screaming.
@RiotDemon The taxonomy of metal is of great interest to me. All the sub genres and sub sub genres that crossover yet have distinct characteristics.
@ThomasF it’s cool, but a little overwhelming to me, honestly.
@ThomasF @RiotDemon I like how you put it as “taxonomy.” That is quite true. And certainly overwhelming. I did find https://mapofmetal.com to be quite interesting!
As a more casual connoisseur of metal, I was always boggled whenever my brother would start talking about all the different genres and sub-genres of metal and other rock branches.
@thejackalope I remember vh1 having a special where it was around 8 hour long episodes diving into different genres and how they broke down with clips from music videos highlighting some of the more influential bands. It was really helpful, but I didn’t see all the episodes.
I’m thinking it was probably this show:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Evolution
/youtube vh1 metal evolution episode 1
That’s episode 3, but whatever.
Here’s the power metal episode with annoying subtitles that you can’t turn off.
/giphy mountain vs molehill
@f00l In this scene, when the Mountain killed Oberon, we were reminded of this scene in the Incredibles (at 1:01)
Nookyooler. Not a word. Quit saying it.
There’s a show on one of the “educational” channels, Discovery, History, I don’t remember which, that showcases abandoned places.
And at least once an episode, I hear “nookyooler”.
Nuclear. Nu-cle-ar. It’s noo-klee-ur.
My husband said it wrong last year. I almost got whiplash when I turned my head to correct him. He hasn’t said it incorrectly since.
@lisaviolet I wonder if this might be some kind of dialect thing. I know I try to use correct pronunciations of words, but there are a few that the phonetic pronunciation is just impossible for me. Like my mother/father’s sister to me has to be “ant” and not pronounced like all the other “au” words that I do say correctly, like gaunt, flaunt, audible, etc.
@thejackalope Well, it’s one thing if it looks like it could be pronounced nookyooler, but it doesn’t.
Giblets. I pronounced that wrong for years because I’d never heard it spoken. I used the wrong G. But without having heard it, I’d not have known.
But nuclear…I can see “noo-kleer” if you’re going phonetically. But not nookyooler.
@lisaviolet That’s true. The G thing is funny to me, but I’ve found that it’s typically true that G followed by I and E is the soft version, and hard when followed by A, O, and U. As a Jerry with a G it’s a big peeve of mine, because I’m not Gary.
@lisaviolet I think of all of these genuinely petty responses, yours is the one that most moves me. And I decided that before even seeing it was from you. But it is petty. And I wouldn’t die there.
Paying a fee to bring my clothes with me on top of the hundreds I’ve already paid for my plane ticket. Is that considered petty?
@mehbee Packing efficiently into a small carry-on that fits under my seat and then watching people who paid the same ticket price as me bring multiple suitcases onto the plane and take up more than their fair share of overhead bin space and cause everyone behind them to wait.
@phatmass Yes, that totally makes me fume also, but it eventually circles backs around to the fact that it might not be that way if the airlines didn’t charge! It does chap my hide that people, especially frequent flyers think they are so special that they can do pretty much whatever they want, like bring an entire wardrobe to carry on.
I did notice when I flew in April that the gate agents were making people check carry ons when the overheads filled up. I didn’t mind so much, except I had medicine, books, and thinks that couldn’t really be checked because if they got lost it would have been a bad deal. Luckily I paid attention, as soon as I realized I would probably be one of the ones that had to check my bag, I swapped over as much as I could from my wheeled bag to my BIG purse/laptop bag. It didn’t hurt my feelings to have to try to find room in the overhead and have to pull it all through the airport and the bag was there so quickly that it ended up working in my favor.
@mehbee not you, but it shows how petty they are towards their customers.
@thismyusername - pay extra to bring dog on plane, dog gets no seat:
I am currently mad at an anonymous writer at tvtropes.com for implying that Carole Lombard had something to do with the technique of filming actresses in soft focus to hide aging/skin imperfections, when every thinking person knows that the technique was pioneered by a cinematographer working for D.W. Griffith to film Lillian Gish in Broken Blossoms. This movie was made when Carole Lombard was 10 or 11 years old, and she did not work on it.
I know that Carole Lombard is cooler to name drop than Lillian Gish or D.W. Griffith, but don’t base stuff you write online on one biography you read at some point. People who don’t know any better will believe you and then the true facts will eventually be lost forever.
I did some research this afternoon to make sure the anonymous writer was wrong. The book I read is, I think, in my car, and I didn’t want to get dressed, so my research was crappy and online and stopped when I found something that vaguely related to my equally vague memory.
I also hate when skirts are described as high-waisted and the accompanying photo shows a waistband below the navel. THAT IS NOT HIGH-WAISTED, STRANGER WHO PROBABLY IS NOT FLUENT IN ENGLISH ON THE INTERNET.
@mossygreen i never thought about any of that before right now
/8ball new awakenings?
My sources say no
@Yoda_Daenerys I may have overstated my case a little. But perhaps I believe reserves of strong opinions involving silent screen actresses lie hidden within us all…
/giphy this better not awaken anything in me
@mossygreen Well THAT’S not Community. How the hell do I embed a gif?! Didn’t I know how to do that?
@mossygreen wait?
you did embed a GIF
did you want?
/giphy community
@Yoda_Daenerys Oooh, that’s a good one, but I was hoping for Dean Pelton watching the video of the dalmatian man.
@mossygreen
Tvtropes appeared to be mostly maintained by the quite-young.
It’s a great site. But.
-They’re young.
-They’re not professionals.
-Most do not appear to know how to serious research. They’re more like fanatic fans.
-They learn heavily in examples from the last 10-15 years while ignoring world famous blockbusters, legendary films, Oscar winners, etc, from earlier times. Prob because they haven’t seen them.
-they don’t seem to know how to fact-check.
-you can tell when you hit an entry maintained by someone with a few decades of serious history and experience. It shows.
-most of them didn’t major in lit or theater or go to film school. It shows. —But they are passionate, educated, they care, and they know a lot of millennial stuff. Take the good with the bad.
It’s a wiki. You can volunteer to work in it, if you have the energy.
/giphy fact check
@mossygreen to embed a gif, just paste the web link to it, and it embeds automatically.
@mossygreen Gottfried Wilhelm (GW) AKA “Billy” Bitzer shot Broken Blossoms and most all of that film is soft. Yes, Bitzer is credited with inventing soft focus photography with the aid of a light diffusion screen - but he was using this technique in The Painted Lady (1912) and in The Birth of a Nation (1915) years before Blossoms (1919) was even conceived.
I was under the impression that the soft focus was purposeful:
( http://www.asharperfocus.com/Broken.html )
Additionally, there are several cuts in Broken where Gish is in very sharp focus. He could have easily cleaned that in post with his pioneering tinting application(s) or flashed the film / canister before developing with the aid of a diffusion screen in post.
If Bitzer intentionally shot Broken soft to hide imperfections of Gish it certainly wasn’t his first time doing so - as Nation employs the technique in 1915 very purposefully to hide certain facial issues resulting from a common cold that Mae Marsh suffered during shooting.
Just curious, is the book you mention Bitzer’s autobiography which was published in 1973 (30+ years after his death)?
And yes - I’ll probably die on this hill . . . LMAO.
@Pavlov I clearly just know enough to 1) get mad at strangers on the internet and then 2) get myself into trouble. But thank you! The important thing is that it had nothing to do with Carole Lombard and everything to do with D.W. Griffith. I honestly can’t remember what book it was, or when I read it (could have been any time in the past 25 years). I just remember reading that Lillian Gish was playing much younger than her actual age and that the audience gasped at how youthful she looked. Turns out the book in my car was a very yellowed paperback of Movie Magic: The Story of Special Effects in the Cinema and no help at all.
Anyway, I’m happy to have such erudite company on this hill.
The meh circuit breaker is lame.
@Ignorant wont you think about the
normiesday walkers that need to buydumpster crapvalue product as well… you monster.Nabokov’s prose translation of Eugene Onegin is better than any poetic translation. There, I said it.
@UncleVinny
Your hill is a pretty (petty) good hill.
But have you climbed your hill while your mind was clad only in Russian language poetics?
Drinking Terribly.
@DrunkCat Why aren’t you drinking properly?
@ThomasF It was never the same after the war.
I’ll disagree while not caring much about almost anything. But to leash myself to a stake on a hilltop… subjects where I cannot avoid being insistent… probably either ranting about Apple hardware or insisting on correct spelling of the common homophones.
There’s that whole technology/surveillance soapbox, but I don’t think that is petty enough.
First choice would have to be Montana de Oro…
Second choice would have to be Mount Athos…
@CargoGod
Didn’t they make some predictable movie way back when, where people had to hang glide in and out of Mount Athos or something?
The film wasn’t much, but the scenery and the hang-gliding were something else.
And I wouldn’t call either of your choices petty.
The Legend of Zelda - Wind Waker was a terrible game and the most unforgivable in the entire series (CD-i don’t count)
@JerseyFrank Damn- I gotta hear more about this. (If you’re one of those Cel-da people, we may have a problem).
Do you also have strong opinions on Super Metroid?
@dashcloud I’m not one of those people. I loved the style. The issue is that the balance of risk/reward wasn’t there. I’ve forgotten the exact problems, but there were two glaring issues, if I remember correctly. First, the dungeons were grossly long and contained fetch-quest prizes rather than power-ups and triforce pieces. Those same dungeons threw off the pacing, which led to problem #2 - The random, no-skill crane that sped the plot along by putting triforce pieces one button click away. It made no sense and I felt like someone had just scrapped the 2nd half of the game but couldn’t fix the story; so they just dropped the triforce around to keep the story intact.
It turns out that I wasn’t that far off.
see here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news250705zelda
@dashcloud Super Metroid? I have an opinion. I loved it. I should go back and replay it just to see if I still do, but I’m afraid it will strip away the pleasant glow of nostalgia.
@JerseyFrank Interesting- thanks for sharing. I’d put Skyward Sword behind Wind Waker because it’s got too much guided things, has an actual gamebreaking bug, and a little for the motion controls (not bad, but fighting Ganon kinda sucked).
I will die on this hill, @dashcloud! Skyward Sword’s gamebreaking bug is unlikely to happen. Anyone who plays Wind Waker will have to deal with all the terrible things about it. I have some forgiveness for WWHD because I’m told they improved the sailing and reworked the triforce part a bit. This makes the triforce fetch quest unbalanced but at least not as tedious. But it was more than just a bad game; it stopped future Zelda games from using that style. In the end, we get BotW - possibly the best game I’ve ever played - but imagine what we’d have gotten had the “Celda” game been successful. Wind Waker can lick an unmentionable area of my body.
@JerseyFrank nothing can be worse than this. Nothing.
@jbartus They simply don’t exist for the purposes of counting. Everyone knows they’re terrible.
I’m feeling pretty judgey. These are in fact petty hills. I keep trying to think of a petty hill I’d die on, but every time I think I have, I realize that, no, it’s not petty; it matters. I can let the rest go.
/giphy shrug
Oh, here’s one for all the Christian Death fans I’m sure are here: Valor sucks. Roz rules. I’ll never, never let it go. While Valor Kand is alive and touring as Christian Death, I’ll be saying VALOR SUCKS. Even if he stopped, or died, actually, I’d still be saying it. No one would care, and my one friend would be like, “The Wind-Kissed Pictures is pretty good.” And I would reply, “NO. VALOR SUCKS.”
A hot dog is a sandwich.
@trisk
Add ketchup and it’s an abomination.
Two weeks ago some dude mansplained eggs to me.
@brainmist LMK if you need a refresher.
@JerseyFrank Oh, the internet is replete with dudes happy to supply their unsolicited and frequently inaccurate understanding.
It pisses me off when people randomly put corn in things. Salsas. Salads. Don’t impose your kernels on me. Also this is my first post in the Meh forums and I’m not even sorry it’s about corn.
@TitsMcGee You seem to be very ‘Anti-Corn’.
How about corn chips? Cornbread?
Corn Moonshine? Candy Corn?
@daveinwarsh Dave! Good to hear from you (It’s Amy Nance, formerly of The-Other-Deals-Site-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named).
So about that corn. I think it all comes down to setting expectations. If I order corn chips or corn bread, I expect there to be corn in them. But just adding kernels to things all willy-nilly, well, I just can’t get behind that.
@TitsMcGee FYI the powers that be around here do not care if you mention that other places name. Feel free to use it if you see fit. They also don’t give a flying fuck if you curse, so feel free to celebrate that at any time!
I like corn as much, or more, then the next guy…but yes I always find it very odd when its randomly dropped into unexpected places. Usually I just ignore it and eat around it.
@TitsMcGee Welcome to Meh Amy!
Thrilled that you’ve chosen my thread to post in first.
Any luck with the job hunt?
There’s a Discord channel: https://meh.com/forum/topics/meh-community-discord-server.
@TitsMcGee Hiya Amy!! Good to see you 'round these parts. I’ve been dying to #blameamy for something…
@TitsMcGee
/giphy hi
@TitsMcGee LOL…
Amy! Glad to see ya here.
I hang out here & woot lately.
I’m glad you like corn when it’s expected.
“Surprise corn” in things can occasionally go wrong.
@TitsMcGee COUNTERPOINT: Chinese corn-shaped and -flavored gummy candy is super-great and delicious. But I don’t think it has any actual corn in it, so your point remains.
PS: OH MY GOD IT’S AMY.
@Thumperchick
@Raider
You have yet to witness the adeptness and flair with which I lace together profanity. All in good time …
@TitsMcGee
Welcome
/image “children of the corn”
@mossygreen
@TitsMcGee
@TitsMcGee welcome to the party.
Apparently I am one of those people you don’t like. I’m not a big fan of the super common tomato salsas preferring to make interesting ones like salsa verde or any manner of others including corn-based ones. I’m not sure I’ve ever had a salad with corn in it before but I can’t say I’d be opposed to the idea either, I’m a big fan of sweet corn in general.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@jbartus I pass no judgement on those who enjoy rogue corn. Just don’t try to sneak that shit into my food.