Why are you guys so fixated on American Apparel? I'm all for buying American when it makes sense, but that company has proven that it doesn't know how to run a business. They're practically bankrupt, yet they spend money promoting social causes and liberal political agendas. I mean that's fine and all if you're rolling in profits, but if you're not, maybe concentrate on your business?
@tsfisch because they pay their employees a fair wage and are soft and I like them... I'd rather support that than say... The GAP or Anvil - with substandard wages and conditions for apparel manufacturing.
@communist Here is why they also suck. I had to buy my adopted daughter's older sister out of their factory twice (she lived at their housing and because they fronted her the money she owed them each month and couldn't quit until she paid them back). I then sent money to keep her out of there. She was 12 or 13 at the time.
I prefer buying American, but I don't prefer supporting liberals. So I'm in a bit of a quandary. Ultimately I wish our country were less politicized, and I wish business owners kept their politics to themselves. But in a free society, they are free to do what they do, as I am free to support or not support them.
@pf49er I'm a vote-with-your-wallet person as well, however at the same time it's hard to decide where you draw the line. Companies like Google and Facebook also spend a lot of money on a liberal political agenda, as do their CEOs. Do you not use Google or Facebook as well? What about Amazon? Amazon's CEO gave 2.5 million to same-sex marriage campaigns, for example. So where do you draw the line? If the company is barely profitable, is it making as big of an impact? Starbucks is known as a very progressive company as well. Where's the line? Hollywood is a huge pool of liberal ideals and liberal donations... do you not watch movies and TV shows because you're funding liberal ideals there too? I don't shop at Walmart, but I do go to McDonalds, and both treat their employees and our local economy equally poorly. It's a sticky call.
@tsfisch .... No its douchy to make 3 different contradictions. I prefer american (freedom etc), I dont support liberals (what happened to freedom?), I wish country was less politicized (mind blown because you just made a political statement in your second sentence but don't like politicized things)
@wyk3d thanks, I appreciate the intelligent response. The truth is that intelligent people can hold dissimilar ideas in their head without insulting others. I realize the contradictions, we live in a complicated world. There are many times no good option among many options. My preference is for less politicization. That said, when a company politicizes their product / company, they nearly force a response one way or the other. Should they go about their business and keep their political activities to themselves, they might attract more customers, but they certainly would not repel potential business. Lots of assumptions, little that we can know for sure. But yeah, if you want to simply offer an immature response, it is certainly your right.
@Collin1000 The big difference here is Google and Facebook are very successful companies raking in the money. If they choose to alienate potential customers, they can afford it.
@Collin1000 The difference here is that Google and Facebook are very successful companies that can afford to lose a few customers if they so choose. AA, on the other hand, has struggled since day one... partially because they spend money that they don't have supporting causes that have nothing to do with their core mission (creating great T-shirts in the US paying a fair wage). I bought several AA shirts on woot so I'm not opposed to buying from them. I am opposed to paying more for their shirts, knowing that the extra money isn't going to their employees, but to some liberal political cause.
My own name starts with "m." Thanks, meh. As for AA t-shirts, I love them but wouldn't go out of my way to pay more for them. Unless there was a fancy dress one. For a fancy dress occasion. Then I might pay more. Maybe.
@narfcake I spoke to blanks because there's not enough information for me to put a price tag on the graphic art. Beyond the artwork itself, I believe factors like the print process and exclusivity affect the fair price. I'm willing to pay a much smaller premium for catalog DTG graphics than a limited run screen printing by the artist.
@taternuggets@narfcake@CowboyDann yeah, was our fault expecting people to understand those nuances (aka: reading). Was pretty clear with the result. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@tightwad Reread the subject. "Graphic tees", aka printed. "Without crass logo", aka not a meh/mediocre design. In other words, not something this threadless artist designs.
Shirt.Woot went to hell really fast when they went to American Apparel. All the shirts after the transition got worn out ridiculously fast and are stupidly susceptible to shrinkage. Every single woot shirt I own that was bought before the "lets be american" switch outlasted the shitty AA shirts.
This isn't the early 1900s, if it says "Made in the USA" that means it sucks ass. Except maybe McIntosh speakers and Zippo lighters.
American Apparel sucks for many women, because their sizes run very, very small. Women's size 12-14, which is the most common woman's size, is an XL according to AA. They also tend to be sized short in the torso. Also their founder was legendary for sexual harassment, but they finally kicked his ass to the curb.
Shouldn't it be free for vmp since you k is its free advertising and we already paid shipping
@msujp nah. You paid for VMP. Sure, one of the benefits of VMP is free shipping for a month but that doesn't mean you get everything for free.
@msujp and it's not free advertising since they ask the price you'd pay without the crass logo on it.
Although Crass is one of my favorite bands and I have many shirts with their logo.
Relative to other crowdsourced shirt sites, $15 shipped will be a very good price for AA shirts.
@narfcake Agreed. Well worth it at $15 shipped.
Why are you guys so fixated on American Apparel? I'm all for buying American when it makes sense, but that company has proven that it doesn't know how to run a business. They're practically bankrupt, yet they spend money promoting social causes and liberal political agendas. I mean that's fine and all if you're rolling in profits, but if you're not, maybe concentrate on your business?
@tsfisch because they make the softest T-shirts to ever caress your silky manboobs.
@tsfisch because they pay their employees a fair wage and are soft and I like them... I'd rather support that than say... The GAP or Anvil - with substandard wages and conditions for apparel manufacturing.
@Thumperchick @tsfisch heres a 17 min video on why the GAP sucks
@communist Exactly.
@tsfisch Because the shirts are nice.
@communist Here is why they also suck. I had to buy my adopted daughter's older sister out of their factory twice (she lived at their housing and because they fronted her the money she owed them each month and couldn't quit until she paid them back). I then sent money to keep her out of there. She was 12 or 13 at the time.
Blank? $10 if they were true to size.
@nadroj meh had AA blanks for $15 last time if i remember correctly
@nadroj It is the not true to size that keeps me from ordering. I can't afford to waste the money.
I prefer buying American, but I don't prefer supporting liberals. So I'm in a bit of a quandary. Ultimately I wish our country were less politicized, and I wish business owners kept their politics to themselves. But in a free society, they are free to do what they do, as I am free to support or not support them.
@pf49er "I prefer buying American, but I don't prefer supporting liberals." "Ultimately I wish our country were less politicized..." uh...
@pf49er Congratulations!!!
@wyk3d So he's a d-bag for not wanting to directly support political causes that he's opposed to?
@pf49er I'm a vote-with-your-wallet person as well, however at the same time it's hard to decide where you draw the line. Companies like Google and Facebook also spend a lot of money on a liberal political agenda, as do their CEOs. Do you not use Google or Facebook as well? What about Amazon? Amazon's CEO gave 2.5 million to same-sex marriage campaigns, for example. So where do you draw the line? If the company is barely profitable, is it making as big of an impact? Starbucks is known as a very progressive company as well. Where's the line? Hollywood is a huge pool of liberal ideals and liberal donations... do you not watch movies and TV shows because you're funding liberal ideals there too? I don't shop at Walmart, but I do go to McDonalds, and both treat their employees and our local economy equally poorly. It's a sticky call.
@tsfisch .... No its douchy to make 3 different contradictions. I prefer american (freedom etc), I dont support liberals (what happened to freedom?), I wish country was less politicized (mind blown because you just made a political statement in your second sentence but don't like politicized things)
@wyk3d would your mind be blown if I obeyed the speed limit even though I wish it was higher?
@nadroj not as blown as if you had posted something relevant to the discussion, thanks for your comment tho.
@wyk3d thanks, I appreciate the intelligent response. The truth is that intelligent people can hold dissimilar ideas in their head without insulting others. I realize the contradictions, we live in a complicated world. There are many times no good option among many options. My preference is for less politicization. That said, when a company politicizes their product / company, they nearly force a response one way or the other. Should they go about their business and keep their political activities to themselves, they might attract more customers, but they certainly would not repel potential business. Lots of assumptions, little that we can know for sure. But yeah, if you want to simply offer an immature response, it is certainly your right.
@pf49er Hey buddy, you are very welcome. Have a wonderful day.
@Collin1000 The big difference here is Google and Facebook are very successful companies raking in the money. If they choose to alienate potential customers, they can afford it.
@Collin1000 The difference here is that Google and Facebook are very successful companies that can afford to lose a few customers if they so choose. AA, on the other hand, has struggled since day one... partially because they spend money that they don't have supporting causes that have nothing to do with their core mission (creating great T-shirts in the US paying a fair wage). I bought several AA shirts on woot so I'm not opposed to buying from them. I am opposed to paying more for their shirts, knowing that the extra money isn't going to their employees, but to some liberal political cause.
If you want a soft shirt, start buying triblends in any brand. I also don't understand everyone's fascination with AA.
I am still in for 1 because I really like Meh.com and don't mind advertising for them. :-)
@Lrok Tried other triblends in various brands, American Apparel still feels nicer. Usually hard to find my size since I'm a XXXL.
A Meh shirt would be perfect to wear when changing the oil of your car when you don't want to get a good t-shirt dirty.
My own name starts with "m." Thanks, meh. As for AA t-shirts, I love them but wouldn't go out of my way to pay more for them. Unless there was a fancy dress one. For a fancy dress occasion. Then I might pay more. Maybe.
I think people might be confused what this poll is actually asking. It isn't for more meh logo shirts.
@taternuggets Also missing the part about graphic, aka not blank.
@taternuggets yeah, nobody read the question it seems.
@narfcake I spoke to blanks because there's not enough information for me to put a price tag on the graphic art. Beyond the artwork itself, I believe factors like the print process and exclusivity affect the fair price. I'm willing to pay a much smaller premium for catalog DTG graphics than a limited run screen printing by the artist.
@taternuggets @narfcake @CowboyDann yeah, was our fault expecting people to understand those nuances (aka: reading). Was pretty clear with the result. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@snapster The result that folks are really really cheap?
I voted $20, granted the artists get a good chunk of that $20 dollar. Don't mind paying extra for a nice T and supporting independent artists.
@CowboyDann Since the question was about BLANK shirts I would say your artist isn't very good...
@tightwad The shirts would not be blank.
@tightwad what the hell do you think a graphic tee is?
@tightwad Reread the subject. "Graphic tees", aka printed. "Without crass logo", aka not a meh/mediocre design. In other words, not something this threadless artist designs.
@narfcake @CowboyDann I thought maybe it was abstract art...very abstract
Shirt.Woot went to hell really fast when they went to American Apparel. All the shirts after the transition got worn out ridiculously fast and are stupidly susceptible to shrinkage. Every single woot shirt I own that was bought before the "lets be american" switch outlasted the shitty AA shirts.
This isn't the early 1900s, if it says "Made in the USA" that means it sucks ass. Except maybe McIntosh speakers and Zippo lighters.
@DrunkCat Shirt.woot was AA only at launch and for years, then switched to Anvil -- you'd have to swap brands for this to make sense.
@snapster What you said then. Can't edit the post anymore so dyslexic it stays.
American Apparel sucks for many women, because their sizes run very, very small. Women's size 12-14, which is the most common woman's size, is an XL according to AA. They also tend to be sized short in the torso.
Also their founder was legendary for sexual harassment, but they finally kicked his ass to the curb.