@cinoclav@mike808
I’m vaccinated and i’ll continue wearing a mask for a very long time! Last I heard people are still dying every day from the Covid and with new/different strains popping up I don’t feel safe at all!
I got my second shot on the 1st of May, but I still wear a mask in stores. Not that it stops some unmasked yahoo from leaning over my shoulder to get something off a shelf with a: “Don’t mind me, you aren’t in the way!” Even in non-pandemic times, I find that an invasion of my space.
@cinoclav
Ditto here. Still have a mask policy in place in our ER. Getting harder and harder to get patients and their family members to comply though (both due to asshat-edness as well as just shear fatigue with the whole thing)
@chienfou Even with the giant ‘Mask required’ sign outside the hospital entrance, we’re still getting people trying to walk in without one claiming “the mask rules have changed!”
@chienfou@cinoclav
The CDC mask guideline was a bit of a misstep. I get what they were going for. “hey if your vaccinated your good if your not then wear your shame mask till you are” except those needing shamed were only wearing them to not be shamed
If you were wearing your mask the whole time and glaring at people who didn’t. If Kroger suddenly switches and now no one walking in is wearing one…
Then you feel like you are getting judged cause you are.
And the people who should be wearing them aren’t. So. Idk. Maybe we get another peak in the unvaxicated who magically attract keys. That’s kinda their problem at that point.
It’s sad a public health measure was turned into a political one. Not that we’ve ever done great on public health measures to start with
@chienfou@cinoclav@unksol
The Republican party and Mitch McConnell had two clear opportunities to avoid politicizing this public health crisis that has cost 600,000 American lives. This was openly discussed within the Republican leadership and Trump’s campaign to coordinate screwing over “blue states” going into the pandemic. The lies and false narratives have bitten their followers in the ass, and they’ve salted the earth with bigotry, racism, and economic class warfare. They openly continue to support the leader of a failed insurrection against America itself - to prepare for another attempt.
No amount of repeating both-siderism bullshit or bipartisan bullshit is going to change those facts.
Not one Republican elected Representative or Senator voted for helping America recover from this pandemic they helped magnify a cost that was paid for in American lives they swore to protect and serve. Not a single one. Sorry, I’m all out of fucks to give for those fascist sociopaths and their death cult followers. And 600,000+ dead Americans, my father included, won’t make me feel bad about not apologizing for calling it out for what it is.
@rockblossom
I have no words in my Gboard personal dictionary it just does unvaxicated… Instead of unvaccinated… If you swype that is extremely annoying. Base dictionary error?
I’m old and mostly refuse to type on a phone if I have another option. My preferred 'nother option is an actual keyboard attached to a desktop computer that is blissfully free of autocorrect programs. OTOH, that means I have to own my typos and poor grammar usage unless I can magic up some computer gremlins to blame them on.
But I still like “unvaxicated” and I’ma-gonna use it in the future.
@cinoclav@Lynnerizer@mike808 I finally got two weeks past the second shot and went grocery shopping without a mask last week. Felt great. Eyeballing the ratio of unmasked:masked vs. stats of vaccinated:unvaccinated, I do have the impression that people are mostly still not taking the disease too seriously. It was late. There were pretty good distances between people who weren’t together, so at least that’s something.
Yourselves, though, out of curiosity, why are you still wearing masks? Concern that the wrong variant will spread around?
@cinoclav@InnocuousFarmer@Lynnerizer
The vaxed/unvaxicated v masked/unmasked ratio is way out of whack with case rates in this red state (Missouri) deep in denial over what remains a pandemic still infecting and killing people. They are the reservoir for the variants to come.
Which is disappointing as Pfizer has a huge investment in St. Louis, and one would think in demonstrating success for the state reaching herd immunity ASAP.
@InnocuousFarmer I am concerned about variants. Though mostly, I still wear one out of courtesy to those that might be immunocompromised. At this point I don’t care if those who refuse to get vaccinated get sick. If they’re still stupid enough to not believe the reality of Covid, they deserve it.
And 600,000+ dead Americans, my father included, won’t make me feel bad about not apologizing for calling it out for what it is.
Sorry for your loss. Unfortunately, it seems not only the ‘covidiots’ were the victims, no matter how much you tried to protect yourself and your loved ones.
@cinoclav courtesy in the sense that you might be an infection vector, or courtesy as in you don’t want people to think you might be an infection vector, or as a third option, a sort of visible pro-mask statement?
I’m very much in that first category, maybe inclined toward the second a little, except for practical reasons (immunocompromised people aren’t going to feel one way or the other about me, next to a giant unmasked mob, and for them, masks aren’t effective enough that they should guide their behavior (hmm, I think)), and not at all in the third category.
I’m interested in this social dynamic where you have mask vs maskless evolving into almost gang colors. I wonder if we’ve already graduated to a place where voluntary mask-wearers are mostly people who have received vaccines.
And then I would be interested in hearing any early warnings about masks becoming again useful to those who are vaccinated and low risk, of course. The curve could always use more flattening. R always needs to be lower. Have to weigh that against a significant dislike for masks and a confidence that it’s definitely going to be endemic now, and, as far as I can gather, currently, there wouldn’t be any meaninful improvement in risk for me and those around me whether I wear a mask or not. Once the risk is low enough, it’s low enough.
@cinoclav@InnocuousFarmer
I wear a mask in public interaction spaces for all three reasons you cite. There doesn’t need to be only one. Any will do. And I don’t feel the need to justify my reasoning to any who might ask, any more than me asking a stranger why they are confused about masks and chinstraps, or why they decided to cover their genitalia, or why are they not masking to protect the children and elderly from COVID?
I don’t think people are really aware that even if you are vaccinated, that does not prevent the spread to the unmasked and unvaccinated. Maybe with increased Darwin awards granted, the problem of vaccinating the survivors solves itself.
I also think there is some residual social distancing going on, but that’s anecdotal. Perhaps that’s more important than masking now that transmission rates are declining. Again, anecdotally noted.
@mike808 Real sorry to hear about your dad. The number of people injured and killed by this pandemic is tragic and obscene.
I by no means think people are obliged to provide explanations for their non-harmful, non-disruptive behavior (like wearing a mask). I’m just curious, both in seeing how this all plays out, and in case I learn something that causes me to change my own behavior.
Can you point me toward any description of how much vaccines decrease risks of spreading one of these viruses, with or without symptoms? Last I read it wasn’t very well defined, but the implication was that if you’re vaccinated and not getting sick, you’re probably not a carrier.
Stuff like this:
(though April’s pretty long ago, at this point, haven’t seen anything inconsistent with that)
For my own values, that puts risk of me transmitting a newly acquired asymptomatic infection close enough to zero that I don’t feel the obligation to mask up anymore, but I could be easily persuaded in the other direction with not very much evidence.
@InnocuousFarmer@mike808 Yeah, I thought that they had determined that fully-vaccinated individuals are highly unlikely to be asymptomatic carriers which is a big part of why the mask recommendation changed.
I still wear a mask at work because it is still company policy, though many there have stopped, and I know those who have stopped have not all been vaccinated.
I also wear a mask inside of stores. I consider it a courtesy primarily to the employees so they don’t have to wonder if I am vaccinated or not while helping me. I also sometimes have my kids with me. They are too young for the vaccine and have to wear masks. I’m not going to go bare-faced while making them wear a mask.
A lot of stores also still have signs politely requesting masks.
@InnocuousFarmer@Limewater
I don’t disagree with the vaccinated transmission rate studies. I’m not sure that there aren’t other factors not controlled for (and can’t in large studies), most specifically social distancing, that are likely significant contributors and co-contributors, that possibly overwhelm any effect from masking alone has with respect to vaccinated asymptomatic transmission.
It will take a while to tease out those conclusions, I’m sure.
In the meantime, I’m with you on the “a courtesy primarily to the employees so they don’t have to wonder if I am vaccinated or not while helping me.” It is also for the random strangers that have relaxed or forgotten the social distancing component. And I see parents unmasked with masked toddlers/children all over the place here. Which, IMO, like yours, is disconnected with the contrarian messaging and examples we send our children about respect for authority and our common societal sacrifice for the health, safety, and well-being of everyone.
I’m a big fan of the social distancing in general. And the gathering with people outside (in a backyard or in a beer garden or the outdoor parklets that the local restaurants and bars have created or whatever) as opposed to stuffed inside a bar with a million other people feels so relaxed and nice now. And I can actually hear what everyone is saying in these more relaxed settings! (that makes me feel so old to say)
All of the above but mostly getting more sleep. Working from home with no lengthy commute into the office has allowed me to prioritize 8 hours of sleep a night. As I transition back to the office, I will not let my 8 hours become compromised.
/giphy important sleep
Grocery pick up. Never going back. Yeah, they break one or two of the eggs and you get the dented cans but you don’t have to deal with the unvaxxed wandering the aisles and coughing on the merchandise while pretending to be vaxxed.
i will be continuing to wear a mask in public for the foreseeable future. also, will keep doing the every other week grocery trips. i actually hate shopping for two weeks worth of meals, but it’s better on the budget.
Being more proactive at keeping in touch with family and friends. The isolation of social distancing and working from home has resulted in making more of an effort to regularly communicate with people who are important to us. For example, we now have a weekly scheduled group zoom meeting with our children, siblings and their children. Not everyone shows up every time, but there is always a quorum.
I already cooked a lot before, but now I’m going to try to keep cooking with what I have instead of running to the store for whatever thing I decided I wanted on a whim.
I hate people so I avoid them at all costs when I can. Unfortunately, I work in mfg. So I can’t avoid everyone. Lots of spitter/talkers out there so will keep wearing my mask. Not vaccinated and am ok with dying. It’s only natural. Hope to be dead before I can’t take care of myself anymore or before they lock me up in a nursing home.
@sillyheathen So what about this lifting - we’ve heard about the cooking and designing; are you a bodybuilder too? Or do you just lift for fun and general well-being?
@Kyeh I used to powerlift a few years ago until I had a pretty bad shoulder injury. I never was able to get back into it properly because of COVID. So I have weights and do med/heavy weights lots of reps and HIIT. I actually really love the Les Mills Bodypump program because I can get a good full body workout and don’t have to plan out my own routine. I think it’s usually about 800-1000 reps in an hour. I typically have about 100-120 on the bar for the squat track which is usually 4.5-6 minutes long and about 200-300 reps I think.
@sillyheathen Wow! I’m sorry about the injury. I got into some very beginner lifting in some fitness classes, and was surprised at how much I liked it. And I think the first class I had was at the Y, where they were using the Les Mills Bodypump! Sadly, I’ve gotten way out of shape, but am planning to take some classes when they start offering them again. I’m bad at motivating myself.
@sillyheathen Okay! I do want to - what amazed me the most was how much better it made everyday life - just doing things like unloading groceries or making up the bed were easier and I loved it.
Unfortunately, still wearing a mask since I work in a hospital.
@cinoclav I will continue to wear my mask, even though I’m vaccinated.
I don’t trust the fucking liars who aren’t and don’t wear a mask anyway. Just to be superspreader self-entitled dicks about it.
At this point, after 600,000 needless deaths, I have zero sympathy or interest in keeping those idiots from taking their last swim in the gene pool.
@mike808 I’m still wearing mine too when I venture anywhere. Yes, I’m vaccinated also. I’m hoping Darwin wins the final battle with those people.
@cinoclav @mike808
I’m vaccinated and i’ll continue wearing a mask for a very long time! Last I heard people are still dying every day from the Covid and with new/different strains popping up I don’t feel safe at all!
I’m vaccinated and I’m going to keep wearing a mask until it’s super weird to do so. We should have started wearing masks decades ago.
Even if you don’t believe COVID-19 is real… what’s the downside? You get to wear a mask. Draw a cool shark face on it or something.
I got my second shot on the 1st of May, but I still wear a mask in stores. Not that it stops some unmasked yahoo from leaning over my shoulder to get something off a shelf with a: “Don’t mind me, you aren’t in the way!” Even in non-pandemic times, I find that an invasion of my space.
@cinoclav
Ditto here. Still have a mask policy in place in our ER. Getting harder and harder to get patients and their family members to comply though (both due to asshat-edness as well as just shear fatigue with the whole thing)
@chienfou Even with the giant ‘Mask required’ sign outside the hospital entrance, we’re still getting people trying to walk in without one claiming “the mask rules have changed!”
@chienfou @cinoclav
The CDC mask guideline was a bit of a misstep. I get what they were going for. “hey if your vaccinated your good if your not then wear your shame mask till you are” except those needing shamed were only wearing them to not be shamed
If you were wearing your mask the whole time and glaring at people who didn’t. If Kroger suddenly switches and now no one walking in is wearing one…
Then you feel like you are getting judged cause you are.
And the people who should be wearing them aren’t. So. Idk. Maybe we get another peak in the unvaxicated who magically attract keys. That’s kinda their problem at that point.
It’s sad a public health measure was turned into a political one. Not that we’ve ever done great on public health measures to start with
@unksol
Uneducated/unvaccinated? My new favorite word!
@chienfou @cinoclav @unksol
The Republican party and Mitch McConnell had two clear opportunities to avoid politicizing this public health crisis that has cost 600,000 American lives. This was openly discussed within the Republican leadership and Trump’s campaign to coordinate screwing over “blue states” going into the pandemic. The lies and false narratives have bitten their followers in the ass, and they’ve salted the earth with bigotry, racism, and economic class warfare. They openly continue to support the leader of a failed insurrection against America itself - to prepare for another attempt.
No amount of repeating both-siderism bullshit or bipartisan bullshit is going to change those facts.
Not one Republican elected Representative or Senator voted for helping America recover from this pandemic they helped magnify a cost that was paid for in American lives they swore to protect and serve. Not a single one. Sorry, I’m all out of fucks to give for those fascist sociopaths and their death cult followers. And 600,000+ dead Americans, my father included, won’t make me feel bad about not apologizing for calling it out for what it is.
@rockblossom sure let’s go with i made up a clever new word instead of failing at spelling. I’m good with that.
Unvaxicated
Unvaxicated
My swype dictionary keeps doing it. No matter how deliberent I am. Need to fix that.
@rockblossom
I have no words in my Gboard personal dictionary it just does unvaxicated… Instead of unvaccinated… If you swype that is extremely annoying. Base dictionary error?
@rockblossom @unksol
/youtube SNL The Penis Mightier
@unksol
I’m old and mostly refuse to type on a phone if I have another option. My preferred 'nother option is an actual keyboard attached to a desktop computer that is blissfully free of autocorrect programs. OTOH, that means I have to own my typos and poor grammar usage unless I can magic up some computer gremlins to blame them on.
But I still like “unvaxicated” and I’ma-gonna use it in the future.
@rockblossom @unksol
I still prefer covidiot.
@rockblossom it still bothers me that I didn’t notice it and it still annoys me that it does that.
Unvaxicated
I went way out of the way of x many times and it just thinks it’s a word. Swyping on a phone keyboard is so much faster.
I mostly use the forums on my phone. I need my keyboard for work/coding/commands
@mike808 @unksol Well, covidiots tend to be unvaxicated.
Trust me, when you are over 70 with arthritis, it isn’t.
@mike808 @rockblossom I guess they would depend on which joints are impacted?
Got it to stop doing that. It apparently has some sort of learning mode outside of the dictionary. Must be learning how you swype too.
Wiped it and it’s dumber but at least not making up that word.
Stuck on unshaved
Wait unaffiliated
Unachieved
Unabridged
Backstreet
Imagined
uneducated
Unassisted
Undigested
Uneducated
uneducated
It likes uneducated. Has a lot of trouble with un I’ve never noticed but I did just wipe out a year or two of learning so idk.
Have at Unvaxicated. Not sure what level of swype and alcohol produced it
@cinoclav @Lynnerizer @mike808 I finally got two weeks past the second shot and went grocery shopping without a mask last week. Felt great. Eyeballing the ratio of unmasked:masked vs. stats of vaccinated:unvaccinated, I do have the impression that people are mostly still not taking the disease too seriously. It was late. There were pretty good distances between people who weren’t together, so at least that’s something.
Yourselves, though, out of curiosity, why are you still wearing masks? Concern that the wrong variant will spread around?
@cinoclav @InnocuousFarmer @Lynnerizer
The vaxed/unvaxicated v masked/unmasked ratio is way out of whack with case rates in this red state (Missouri) deep in denial over what remains a pandemic still infecting and killing people. They are the reservoir for the variants to come.
Which is disappointing as Pfizer has a huge investment in St. Louis, and one would think in demonstrating success for the state reaching herd immunity ASAP.
@InnocuousFarmer I am concerned about variants. Though mostly, I still wear one out of courtesy to those that might be immunocompromised. At this point I don’t care if those who refuse to get vaccinated get sick. If they’re still stupid enough to not believe the reality of Covid, they deserve it.
@cinoclav @mike808 @unksol
Sorry for your loss. Unfortunately, it seems not only the ‘covidiots’ were the victims, no matter how much you tried to protect yourself and your loved ones.
@cinoclav courtesy in the sense that you might be an infection vector, or courtesy as in you don’t want people to think you might be an infection vector, or as a third option, a sort of visible pro-mask statement?
I’m very much in that first category, maybe inclined toward the second a little, except for practical reasons (immunocompromised people aren’t going to feel one way or the other about me, next to a giant unmasked mob, and for them, masks aren’t effective enough that they should guide their behavior (hmm, I think)), and not at all in the third category.
I’m interested in this social dynamic where you have mask vs maskless evolving into almost gang colors. I wonder if we’ve already graduated to a place where voluntary mask-wearers are mostly people who have received vaccines.
And then I would be interested in hearing any early warnings about masks becoming again useful to those who are vaccinated and low risk, of course. The curve could always use more flattening. R always needs to be lower. Have to weigh that against a significant dislike for masks and a confidence that it’s definitely going to be endemic now, and, as far as I can gather, currently, there wouldn’t be any meaninful improvement in risk for me and those around me whether I wear a mask or not. Once the risk is low enough, it’s low enough.
@cinoclav @InnocuousFarmer
I wear a mask in public interaction spaces for all three reasons you cite. There doesn’t need to be only one. Any will do. And I don’t feel the need to justify my reasoning to any who might ask, any more than me asking a stranger why they are confused about masks and chinstraps, or why they decided to cover their genitalia, or why are they not masking to protect the children and elderly from COVID?
I don’t think people are really aware that even if you are vaccinated, that does not prevent the spread to the unmasked and unvaccinated. Maybe with increased Darwin awards granted, the problem of vaccinating the survivors solves itself.
I also think there is some residual social distancing going on, but that’s anecdotal. Perhaps that’s more important than masking now that transmission rates are declining. Again, anecdotally noted.
@mike808 Real sorry to hear about your dad. The number of people injured and killed by this pandemic is tragic and obscene.
I by no means think people are obliged to provide explanations for their non-harmful, non-disruptive behavior (like wearing a mask). I’m just curious, both in seeing how this all plays out, and in case I learn something that causes me to change my own behavior.
Can you point me toward any description of how much vaccines decrease risks of spreading one of these viruses, with or without symptoms? Last I read it wasn’t very well defined, but the implication was that if you’re vaccinated and not getting sick, you’re probably not a carrier.
Stuff like this:
(though April’s pretty long ago, at this point, haven’t seen anything inconsistent with that)For my own values, that puts risk of me transmitting a newly acquired asymptomatic infection close enough to zero that I don’t feel the obligation to mask up anymore, but I could be easily persuaded in the other direction with not very much evidence.
@InnocuousFarmer @mike808 Yeah, I thought that they had determined that fully-vaccinated individuals are highly unlikely to be asymptomatic carriers which is a big part of why the mask recommendation changed.
I still wear a mask at work because it is still company policy, though many there have stopped, and I know those who have stopped have not all been vaccinated.
I also wear a mask inside of stores. I consider it a courtesy primarily to the employees so they don’t have to wonder if I am vaccinated or not while helping me. I also sometimes have my kids with me. They are too young for the vaccine and have to wear masks. I’m not going to go bare-faced while making them wear a mask.
A lot of stores also still have signs politely requesting masks.
@InnocuousFarmer @Limewater
I don’t disagree with the vaccinated transmission rate studies. I’m not sure that there aren’t other factors not controlled for (and can’t in large studies), most specifically social distancing, that are likely significant contributors and co-contributors, that possibly overwhelm any effect from masking alone has with respect to vaccinated asymptomatic transmission.
It will take a while to tease out those conclusions, I’m sure.
In the meantime, I’m with you on the “a courtesy primarily to the employees so they don’t have to wonder if I am vaccinated or not while helping me.” It is also for the random strangers that have relaxed or forgotten the social distancing component. And I see parents unmasked with masked toddlers/children all over the place here. Which, IMO, like yours, is disconnected with the contrarian messaging and examples we send our children about respect for authority and our common societal sacrifice for the health, safety, and well-being of everyone.
Curbside grocery and lunch pickup.
How about “all of the above”, but “more cooking” most of all. (And, not listed, a mask in crowds.)
Completely weeding out the people in my life who showed shockingly little empathy for other human beings.
@haydesigner
Absolutely!! Possibly the best answer of them all.
I’m a big fan of the social distancing in general. And the gathering with people outside (in a backyard or in a beer garden or the outdoor parklets that the local restaurants and bars have created or whatever) as opposed to stuffed inside a bar with a million other people feels so relaxed and nice now. And I can actually hear what everyone is saying in these more relaxed settings! (that makes me feel so old to say)
@togle
Wisdom comes with age, nothing wrong with being wise!
Grocery delivery. Totally worth it.
What this catshirt says:
Social distancing AND picking the guitar back up after decades of not playing. Sooooooo awesome to be playing again!!!
VAN GOGH! MANGO! TANGO! AWESOME!
Um This should be multi-answer or include all of above option plz
All of the above but mostly getting more sleep. Working from home with no lengthy commute into the office has allowed me to prioritize 8 hours of sleep a night. As I transition back to the office, I will not let my 8 hours become compromised.
/giphy important sleep
day drinking of course…
Grocery pick up. Never going back. Yeah, they break one or two of the eggs and you get the dented cans but you don’t have to deal with the unvaxxed wandering the aisles and coughing on the merchandise while pretending to be vaxxed.
Going to Meh every day to see what’s up in the forum.
i will be continuing to wear a mask in public for the foreseeable future. also, will keep doing the every other week grocery trips. i actually hate shopping for two weeks worth of meals, but it’s better on the budget.
Day Drinking!
Being more proactive at keeping in touch with family and friends. The isolation of social distancing and working from home has resulted in making more of an effort to regularly communicate with people who are important to us. For example, we now have a weekly scheduled group zoom meeting with our children, siblings and their children. Not everyone shows up every time, but there is always a quorum.
I already cooked a lot before, but now I’m going to try to keep cooking with what I have instead of running to the store for whatever thing I decided I wanted on a whim.
Sleeping later. Going to bed late. Eating Junk food. Heavy drinking.
I hate people so I avoid them at all costs when I can. Unfortunately, I work in mfg. So I can’t avoid everyone. Lots of spitter/talkers out there so will keep wearing my mask. Not vaccinated and am ok with dying. It’s only natural. Hope to be dead before I can’t take care of myself anymore or before they lock me up in a nursing home.
Lifting the heavy things, designing the fun things and cooking the delicious things!
@sillyheathen But didn’t you do that before the pandemic too?
@Kyeh
@sillyheathen So what about this lifting - we’ve heard about the cooking and designing; are you a bodybuilder too? Or do you just lift for fun and general well-being?
@Kyeh I used to powerlift a few years ago until I had a pretty bad shoulder injury. I never was able to get back into it properly because of COVID. So I have weights and do med/heavy weights lots of reps and HIIT. I actually really love the Les Mills Bodypump program because I can get a good full body workout and don’t have to plan out my own routine.
I think it’s usually about 800-1000 reps in an hour. I typically have about 100-120 on the bar for the squat track which is usually 4.5-6 minutes long and about 200-300 reps I think.
@sillyheathen Wow! I’m sorry about the injury. I got into some very beginner lifting in some fitness classes, and was surprised at how much I liked it. And I think the first class I had was at the Y, where they were using the Les Mills Bodypump! Sadly, I’ve gotten way out of shape, but am planning to take some classes when they start offering them again. I’m bad at motivating myself.
@Kyeh you should get back in there! It’s never too late! If you need a kick in the arse let me know!
@sillyheathen
Okay! I do want to - what amazed me the most was how much better it made everyday life - just doing things like unloading groceries or making up the bed were easier and I loved it.