I am seriously worried about it. There is going to be a lack of pulpy soul. Say what you will about Lucas being a hack, there was at least an attempt at thematic and stylistic consistency. Media is all pushing to cynical "self awareness" and irony, and star wars only works when those are absent.
The talking points of social awareness they had at celebration belong in a star trek setting. Give me romanic heroism.
I'm not so sure about the choice of J.J. Abrams to direct that movie; he has a penchant for over-the-top action effects, and the first movie in the Star Wars saga blew up a planet. I'm not sure I want to see what he is going to do to top that.
@PocketBrain Exactly! This is one of my main concerns. If he can turn Star Trek into a pair of mindless action movies, what the hell does he have in store for Star Wars?
@Dweezle@PocketBrain I loved the recent Star Trek movies, and it wasn't because of the special effects (though I certainly didn't find them a distraction).
Speaking as someone who watched Star Wars (as it was called) in 1977, I am already trying to decide which theater I will be watching The Force Awakens.
I'm looking for more annoying characters and cheesy CGI and lens flares. More Jar-Jar Binks! Less practical effects and costumes, e.g., real actors playing C3-PO and R2-D2.
Oh, and that lightsaber with the mini lightsabers as the cross-guard, looks ridiculous.. I mean... awesome. Anything to increase the risk of slicing your face or arm while you're fighting, the more practical it is.
Kids. Kids and their ideas about how everything would be perfect. Fucking surprise me and make me think. Make me feel. Show me something beautiful and compelling that connects me to the human (and/or sapient interspecies) experience. That's all I ask.
(This, btw, works as a response to most any question about most anything. Well, it works for me.)
I've got my own art to worry about. If I had the resources and time to make the next Star Wars movie, I'd make it my damn self.
Can't we all agree that we would love for the new Star Wars to be awesome and great and recapture the magic and give us the same warm fuzzies we get from remembering our version of Star Wars (whatever that happens to be, for me it's the original trilogy)?
@JonT And can we, please, please, please, have actors who can actually act? And no more stupid/over the top/constant changes of costumes like the ones on Padme?
@JonT Jar-Jar was annoying and stupid, but Episode I was still the least pathetic and sickening of the prequels. If Jar-Jar had been the worst the prequels had to offer, I probably wouldn't mind them so much. What I absolutely fucking hate the most is whiny-ass crybaby little bitch Anakin. And "midi-chlorians" and a thousand other shitty ret-cons that piss me off more and more the more I think about them. At least Jar-Jar wasn't supposed to grow up to be Darth Vader.
@JonT Considering I was 13 when the first movie was released, I think recapturing the magic is a lost cause. It was space ships and robots! That was beyond exciting. David Salavar was the coolest kid at my junior high because he did an awesome C-3PO. I'm not going to chase that dragon. I'm just hoping for a movie that is fun and respects the franchise more than Lucas did. I enjoyed Abrams' Star Trek movies for the most part so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Everything. More than anything else, there will be no shitty Jake Lloyd or Hayden Christensen . I would actually take more Jar Jar over either of them. And how did that fucker Hayden actually land Rachel Bilson?
@cinoclav I wouldn't count on that. I'm sure they're just dying to fuck over our collective childhood by bringing back that whiny little piece of shit as Anakin's Force Ghost. I literally almost put my fist through the TV when I saw that the first time.
I tend to be quite forgiving. I just try to enjoy the ride and seeing so many familiar things all over again. Lucas really did test my forgiving and happy go lucky nature with a great deal of 2 and 3,however. The end of 3 absolutely made me want to find him and punch his taint. Hayden crying like a bitch at the end was even worse than Jar Jar. I'm excited for what it will bring. I have gotten the feeling that some people are holding Abrams' lack of fan status against him and assuming he'll blow it. I am actually hoping it allows him to be less afraid of going for it.
I honestly don't plan on seeing it...Ever, if I can help it. At least not until a Backstroke of the West version comes out.
I like it when they get beamed up and go warp speed.
I am seriously worried about it. There is going to be a lack of pulpy soul. Say what you will about Lucas being a hack, there was at least an attempt at thematic and stylistic consistency. Media is all pushing to cynical "self awareness" and irony, and star wars only works when those are absent.
The talking points of social awareness they had at celebration belong in a star trek setting. Give me romanic heroism.
And that gripe about CG is just obejectively wrong.
I am of course going to watch it, I just have worries.
At least Rebels and some of the marvel comics have turned out alright.
I'm not the only one who got choked up when he saw Han and Chewie in that second preview.
@SSteve My reaction was more of an "oh god dammit...".
@SSteve Nope, you are not the only one!
@SSteve My reaction was more like, "Uh oh, grandpa's left the assisted care facility again" or "Uh oh, grandpa thinks it's 1983 again."
I hope they have good stuff at the snack bar
The J J Abrams Lens Flare throughout the movie, distracting me from the poor dialog.
@lumpthar ...and the cheezy CGI... and characters doing uncharacteristic things, ala "Star Trek Into Darkness".
@sjk3 truly Star Wars into darkness.
I'm not so sure about the choice of J.J. Abrams to direct that movie; he has a penchant for over-the-top action effects, and the first movie in the Star Wars saga blew up a planet. I'm not sure I want to see what he is going to do to top that.
@PocketBrain Exactly! This is one of my main concerns. If he can turn Star Trek into a pair of mindless action movies, what the hell does he have in store for Star Wars?
@Dweezle @PocketBrain I loved the recent Star Trek movies, and it wasn't because of the special effects (though I certainly didn't find them a distraction).
@PocketBrain He's going to blow up a planet full of men and women who don't sexually identify with men or women. It'll be great.
@PocketBrain He is going to kill a bunch of carpenters, plumbers and other contractors who were just in the wrong place while doing their job.
@mdrcoast like, you mean literally kill them? I'm sure somebody would file a grievance with the union.
@PocketBrain
Speaking as someone who watched Star Wars (as it was called) in 1977, I am already trying to decide which theater I will be watching The Force Awakens.
I'm looking for more annoying characters and cheesy CGI and lens flares. More Jar-Jar Binks! Less practical effects and costumes, e.g., real actors playing C3-PO and R2-D2.
Oh, and that lightsaber with the mini lightsabers as the cross-guard, looks ridiculous.. I mean... awesome. Anything to increase the risk of slicing your face or arm while you're fighting, the more practical it is.
Kids. Kids and their ideas about how everything would be perfect. Fucking surprise me and make me think. Make me feel. Show me something beautiful and compelling that connects me to the human (and/or sapient interspecies) experience. That's all I ask.
(This, btw, works as a response to most any question about most anything. Well, it works for me.)
I've got my own art to worry about. If I had the resources and time to make the next Star Wars movie, I'd make it my damn self.
So much cynicism and hate in this thread!
Can't we all agree that we would love for the new Star Wars to be awesome and great and recapture the magic and give us the same warm fuzzies we get from remembering our version of Star Wars (whatever that happens to be, for me it's the original trilogy)?
As long as there's no Jar-Jar. Fuck Jar-Jar.
@JonT And can we, please, please, please, have actors who can actually act? And no more stupid/over the top/constant changes of costumes like the ones on Padme?
@rockblossom @JonT ...and a script that doesn't stunt actors who can act?
@rockblossom. those dresses were awesome. @JonT I want to be excited, abrams.makes this difficult, but at least disney has been doing okay.
@WilhelmScreamer One man's "awesome" is another woman's "Goths in Florid Renaissance Dresses! Aaaugh! Someone please gouge my eyes out."
@JonT Or Ewoks....Thats when it all went bad... With the Ewoks.
@JonT Jar-Jar was annoying and stupid, but Episode I was still the least pathetic and sickening of the prequels. If Jar-Jar had been the worst the prequels had to offer, I probably wouldn't mind them so much. What I absolutely fucking hate the most is whiny-ass crybaby little bitch Anakin. And "midi-chlorians" and a thousand other shitty ret-cons that piss me off more and more the more I think about them. At least Jar-Jar wasn't supposed to grow up to be Darth Vader.
@JonT
@JonT Considering I was 13 when the first movie was released, I think recapturing the magic is a lost cause. It was space ships and robots! That was beyond exciting. David Salavar was the coolest kid at my junior high because he did an awesome C-3PO. I'm not going to chase that dragon. I'm just hoping for a movie that is fun and respects the franchise more than Lucas did. I enjoyed Abrams' Star Trek movies for the most part so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Everything. More than anything else, there will be no shitty Jake Lloyd or Hayden Christensen . I would actually take more Jar Jar over either of them. And how did that fucker Hayden actually land Rachel Bilson?
@cinoclav I wouldn't count on that. I'm sure they're just dying to fuck over our collective childhood by bringing back that whiny little piece of shit as Anakin's Force Ghost. I literally almost put my fist through the TV when I saw that the first time.
I tend to be quite forgiving. I just try to enjoy the ride and seeing so many familiar things all over again. Lucas really did test my forgiving and happy go lucky nature with a great deal of 2 and 3,however. The end of 3 absolutely made me want to find him and punch his taint. Hayden crying like a bitch at the end was even worse than Jar Jar.
I'm excited for what it will bring. I have gotten the feeling that some people are holding Abrams' lack of fan status against him and assuming he'll blow it. I am actually hoping it allows him to be less afraid of going for it.