@haydesigner@kittykat9180 it’s true. NFL football has the lowest density of actual gameplay in a game that any other major broadcast sport in the US. The average amount of action in a NFL game is about 12 minutes.
I see the problem here. You mistakenly think that just because the ball is moving that there’s action. Sorry, but when it comes to baseball the ball can be moving and no action occurring. Watching someone not hit a ball is not entertaining.
I’ve been dragged to maybe 5-6 baseball games and seen about a total of 5 minutes of action, cumulatively. And most of that was watching people scramble to concessions after the “beer batter.”
@mfladd Minor league games are fun, and I try to go if I’m in a town that has a team. The stadium is smaller, more intimate, the food & beer is cheaper (and often better, from local restaurants and breweries), the games are little looser and whackier, and the people usually really friendly. Baseball is a lazy summer sport for lazy summer evenings …
@mfladd@stolicat true, true! We have two minor league parks in the STL metro (one in MO and one in IL) Super cheap, great crowds. They usually do silly contests or give always to keep the crowd engaged. Always a fun night out.
@mfladd@stolicat@tinamarie1974 Back when I was in high school (jr and sr high) the Post Dispatch used to give pairs of tix to 3 games if you had straight A’s on your report card. We always attended at least 3 games a summer During the game they would give a shout out to the students attending…
The last time I went to a baseball game I twisted my ankle playing catch beforehand. Ended up staying for the game since I knew the ER would just send me to an orthopedic the next day anyway. Had to wear a boot for two months and went through physical therapy. My ankle was bruised for about a year.
Never cared much for baseball beforehand and I definitely have no desire to go back now.
What I like about going to a baseball game vs a basketball or football game is it’s not fast-paced, so you get to just hang out with your family/friends for a few hours. It also helps that I’m a fuckin’ nerd and love baseball stats.
@cpierce I would content that baseball and football are similar (and differ from most of the other team sports) in that they have a lot of down time, with brief bursts of action. You can socialize between plays if you wish, and you know the exact moment to stop and pay attention. As noted above, they have similar amounts of actual game play (12-18 minutes) and similar actual duration (about 3.5 hours, though a baseball game can deviate much more from the average)
Yes, there are differences as the average football game has about 130-170 or so plays, while a baseball game has closer to 300 pitches. The fact that the majority of those pitches are not put into play is what makes it seem less “fast-paced” than football.
@cpierce@DrWorm@Fuzzalini If by “nothing happens” you mean every pitch, every catch, and every throw is executed with a good amount of perfection, then yes, perhaps you can appreciate why it’s called a perfect game.
At least with football people are mostly engaged with what’s going on down on the field. Baseball’s more a social event with occasional moments of clapping when something happens. And I’m going to be social, I rather not do it where I’m sitting in the blazing sun and being gouged for 8 dollar hot dogs and 11 dollar beers.
@lseeber yeah, my SIL is a sponsor or some such for Atlanta United (the MLS champs last year) so we will most likely go to one of those games before we get around to seeing the Braves again. I’ve driven by the Mercedes-Benz Stadium but never gone in it for anything yet… Looks pretty imposing.
Since we usually approach ATL from the southeast we have driven by Turner field a zillion times going into town but haven’t seen the new one in the NW corner of the periphery yet.
@chienfou Same here thus far, driven past the stadium but that’s it. My daughter lives just sw of Atlanta so if we go into metro, we head in from the sw. But, generally, I avoid going into town if I can help it!! Usually go in as far as Ponce City Mkt and that’s it.
@lseeber It’s not on the SW side, but worth the drive (use the beltline) if you have any interest in foreign foods, fruits etc. The staff is from all over the world, and they have lots of obscure foods available.
(be aware they don’t take any credit cards… only cash, EBT, debit cards or checks)
@chienfou Definite interest! I emailed the link to the website to my daughter. She loves those things too. I did see on their website that they don’t take ccs, but neither does the market here. Thanks!
I really enjoy going to the ballpark. Time spent with good friends, relaxing and (hopefully) enjoying an entertaining game. I don’t drink much anyway so I don’t bother buying $12 beers. The Phillies allow you to bring in your own food and drinks which gives me a good reason to stop and pick up the best damn cheesesteak in the world from John’s Roast Pork (yeah, their pork is amazing too).
Baseball is a tough sell for a casual observer: “You know how you like hot dogs? What if you had to sit in one place for three hours and pay ten times as much for that hot dog?”
It’s not that there isn’t more going on, it’s that it’s invisible. Ideally, you’d be there with friends who also know all of the invisible game things – player stories, or stats, or metagame strategies. I assume.
Football is the same way, in that I have heard people talk about it just enough to realize that there are undercurrents of tactics and interaction that would make the game interesting to me if I was already into football. I mean, probably.
Football does have the nice basketball quality of giving you enough motion so that you can stare slackjawed at a television screen, uncomprehending, without people thinking there’s something wrong with you. Sometimes that’s nice.
@InnocuousFarmer 100% agree. It’s OK to attend with friends for the socialization aspect (I side with those who say minor league is usually a better overall experience for non-playoff games), but it’s a completely different experience when I go with my father who played AAA softball and various levels of baseball.
Everything from the first lead-off batter kicking out the back line of the batter’s box to the shifting cutoffs/backups to the communication of the outfielders to the strategy of pitch selection. After going with him enough, I see some of it, but probably only 20% of what he does. A baseball game almost can’t be boring to him because he’s seeing all the little stuff 99%+ of people miss or don’t care about.
But that’s only live. Neither of us watches much baseball on TV because you can only see what the camera shows you, which is basically just the pitcher and batter.
@InnocuousFarmer@Kabn yeah, I think the whining is really annoying. I have seen a couple of batters lay down a bunt up the 3rd base line that turned into doubles due to offensive shift. There… Take THAT!
Once more develop that skill set, it will self-correct.
I love baseball. Minor league, major league, in person, on TV, whatever, wherever. It’s exciting when it needs to be, and it can be beautiful to watch. (It can also be ugly to watch.) Plus it’s the only sport other than bowling in which guys with bodies like David Ortiz’s can be called athletes.
Well, I went for the sarcastic beer answer, but should’ve chosen the ‘in the comments’ answer because I’ve got a story… (and if you haven’t learned by now, my stories tend to be long… sorry)
I am not a sports fan. I don’t follow players or stats or standings or any of that. Not interested.
That said, one of my favorite things is (well, was) going to Red Sox games at Fenway w/ my Dad.
He has shared season tickets with a group for as long as I can remember (meaning, the tickets were divided up amongst the group).
He told me he carried me into my first Red Sox game when I was an infant.
I loved the experience, not necessarily the sport (although, I always enjoyed an exciting game and have seen my share - including several incredible post-season games).
I remember as a young kid, I’d spend most of the game watching the Citgo sign, trying to figure out the pattern of the alternating neon lights. I’d disappear beneath the stands for several innings, eating the crappy, ridiculously expensive food while exploring every corner of the park.
In the interest of keeping this as short as possible (for me), I’ll skip a bunch of the anecdotes about my father becoming friendly w/ players through his business and getting us on the field for pictures w/ players, missing out on touring the clubhouse because my bro chose that day to break his arm, 40+ years of sitting in prime foul territory yet somehow never catching a foul ball etc., etc.
So, yeah, for 40 plus years, I went to several games a season.
A few seasons ago, my 80ish dad told me he gave up his share of the season tickets. He is a true fan - knows the game, the players, all aspects. He grew up in Pawtucket and went to Pawsox games as a child.
Truly a life-long Red Sox fan.
I thought maybe he gave up the tickets because they had gotten too expensive, but he’s too proud to ever admit that he could no longer afford the tickets.
He told me it’s just “too much of a pain in the ass” to go to games anymore. He always knew the best places to park for free, a short walk from a T stop. He is in very good physical condition for a man his age, too - has no trouble getting around - so I really couldn’t understand his explanation.
He never let me pay for tickets, even on the occasions when he gave me the pair and let me take a friend.
I really wanted to pay him back for all those decades of taking me to games, so the first season that he gave up the tickets, I asked him if he’d let me treat him to a game for his birthday (and was really hoping we could make it an annual tradition). He said, nope, not interested.
My father is still alive - hell, he’ll probably outlive me - but this has been a big loss for me. It’s part of a trend for him - he’s been retreating from life, family & friends for awhile now, and I worry about him.
But he is as stoic as they come, and he is always ‘fine’.
Anyway, I could share almost 50 years worth of personal anecdotes, but instead, I’ll just get to the point…
I’ve gotten called out by ‘true’ Sox fans for wearing a Red Sox hat when I don’t really care about the sport.
I usually question them about how many games they’ve been to at Fenway in their life, and I’ve usually got them beat by a long-shot, so then I ask which one of us has a more legitimate right to ‘wear the hat’.
I’m not a sports fan, not a baseball fan, not even - relatively speaking - much of a Red Sox fan.
What I am is a life-long fan of going to ball games at Fenway.
I know that park like the back of my hand - even through all the recent renovations - I’ve explored every inch that is open to the public, and some that aren’t.
For the first time in my life, I’ve now gone a few seasons without seeing a single game, and I really miss it.
So yeah, sentimental value is not to be dismissed as a reason to go to ballgames.
@DennisG2014 Thanks for sharing. Ever just straight out ask your dad why he doesn’t want to go? It does seem kind of strange that he wouldn’t want to go to at least one game a season just for old times sake. I didn’t have a great relationship with my dad but some of my fondest memories were sporting events. One of the first thoughts I had after the Eagles won the Superbowl was that I was sad he wasn’t here for it. He had season tickets when I was young and I remember the first game he took me to. That was a special moment. The relationship never really did become a great one but I still wish he was around for one more game together.
@DennisG2014 Seems like it was something that was particularly important to him, enough so that he’d deal with the ‘pain in the ass’ aspect once in a great while. I’m sorry things aren’t better with him. I did find my dad seemed to just enjoy some time together as he got older. Maybe hanging out with him and watching a game from the comfort of the couch might just be what you both need. My dad was 81 when he passed 4 years ago. Like I said, I wish I had another day. As ornery and difficult as yours may be at times, I can only suggest that you keep making the effort. Whatever he has going on in his head, I’ll bet knowing you care helps him and in the end, it will help you too.
@cinoclav Thank you for your advice.
The best I can say, without sharing more than I’m comfortable with is - it’s complicated.
He’s not ornery or difficult just extremely ‘stoic’.
I’ll keep calling him and asking to meet for lunch, and he’ll probably keep saying “ok”, even though he never calls and asks me anymore.
And we’ll probably continue to have a pleasant time when we do get together.
To be quite candid, I believe his wife (2nd one, been married ~30+ years) is most likely the problem - they don’t seem to like each other much, and it’s been that way for a long time…
If she dies before he does, things may get better… or they may get worse, impossible to tell.
@cinoclav@DennisG2014 Thanks @DennisG2014 for that wonderful story - I had some memories with my father and White Sox games that were no where near as comforting as yours.
I’m gathering I’m somewhere in age between you and your father - things can get a little weird with long standing traditions and relationships when something happens and you feel slighted, and you’re of that “stoic” generation and can’t work things out because that’s not what you do. I suspect he treasures his memories of those games as much as you do, but he may not be able to express that to you.