@cranky1950 Most union workers I’ve met do the bare minimum. They don’t work fast and they take lots of breaks… I guess they figure the union dues they pay is like a permit to be lazy workers.
@cranky1950@medz
Unionization wasn’t to claim that union workers did higher quality work. In trades, yes, trade craft matters, and unions were based on guilds.
Generalized, however, unions are about demanding fair wages and working conditions for work, instead of race-to-the-bottom wage slavery, which is what ‘right to work’ (for less) is really about by picking off the weak sheep first (there will always be someone more desperate than you). The ‘gig economy’ and H1B visas have ‘gerrymandered’ the negotiations between management and labor, and essentially will degenerate into legalized slavery.
And what business doesn’t like ‘free’ (or as close to free as is legally possible) labor, ‘free’ environmental costs paid by future generations or by simply replacing the workforce with ‘at will’ employment.
And as consumers, we turn a blind eye and love our low, low prices and price rollbacks.
That’s the real reason we have unions, not the management propaganda that it is just a baseless claim about worker ‘skill’. Because management has done everything in its power to automate and eliminate skill from all manufacturing across the supply chain - to fit the agenda that unions are just lazy overpaid workers.
Although there is a case to be made for the congress and legislature members unions.
@cranky1950@medz@mike808 I work in the design side of construction. My last company was union; my current is not. Same line of work and it still has to be inspected by the city/county, so no difference in the resulting work.
The skilled crew are paid pretty close in wages, though the benefits (like pensions) are vastly different. One big difference is that a lot of the work doesn’t need the full skillset. With union, the wages are set to a schedule; non-union, wages are set to the skill level required. The downside to that in union is a C-level performance is rewarded the same as an A-level.
All of them still need to be certified and pass OSHA training.
Any laziness is on the company’s management and tolerance for the said laziness.
One big difference is that a lot of the work doesn’t need the full skillset.
The same could be said about management.
With union, the wages are set to a schedule; non-union, wages are set to the skill level required.
Not true, at least in IT. Management applies a wage schedule to contract labor outsourced to “staffing firms” (H1B visa pimps) that is not based on skill levels at all, but based on FTE replacement costs.
The purpose is to shift benefits (mainly healthcare & retirement) costs onto the workers without also transferring the commensurate wage increases that were previously being absorbed by the employer (for the purpose of obtaining “union” discounts on the costs of those benefits, by the way).
Because back in the days when America was “great”, according to Our Dear Leader, lots of racists-in-denial that voted for him, and a certain former senator from Alabama, you could just sell or legally “divest” your plantation of workers when they got ‘lame’ or ‘uppity’.
You’re right that the use of staffing firms and contract employees has skirted some of the laws and benefits that would have otherwise applied when one is under full-time employment.
The dirty shoes?
@PlacidPenguin Nope. Keep looking…
@shahnm
Something to do with the pants?
@PlacidPenguin Yep. That’s it.
Why don’t you go check out another topic…?
/giphy smile
@shahnm
Time to get more purple.
https://meh.com/forum/topics/the-purple-thread
THE LACES, YOU FOOL! @shahnm
/giphy laces
@haydesigner @shahnm
This is slightly more annoying than the shoes OR the laces:
I started poking the screen, that is seriously bugging me.
And they HAD all the right pieces! Bastards!
@mfladd
Can’t embed this.
http://i.imgur.com/3lgObYE.mp4
@mfladd Designed by committee.
Enjoy!
@smigit2002 In case you need to feel better after that
@smigit2002 I just lost a half hour and am more irritable than ever. Thanks for that…
This one, in particular, makes me weep a little:
@shahnm @smigit2002 upside down, I couldn’t
@shahnm @smigit2002 This gave me an anneurism… I’m sure the guy setting up for the box photo has a real wood brain.
@PocketBrain You would also like
Sometimes they do it on purpose, because god or some crap.
@thismyusername
/image wabi sabi
What, you don’t like spirals?
Oooh, so close.
Can’t un-see that.
Three outa four ain’t bad, three outa four ain’t bad.
I blame journeyman goat masons.
:brick: is a v11 emoji.
Coulda been worse. You could be this homeowner.
@mike808 I actually wouldn’t mind that. It has flair.
Was this the same crew?
@mike808 Those do not have flair.
Be all you can be.
@mike808
FTFY
@kdemo well, i thank you.
the before,
looks like half the shit done in my house.
Oops!
I still don’t get it at all. What’s wrong with the laces? It all looks fine to me
@moonhat its the design in the center. The top right square is missing a cut.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Better to be pissed off than pissed on…unless you are into the kind of thing…
Some people are just wrong
Shouldda hired union bricklayers.
@cranky1950 probably were, but had to take a mandated break before finishing it and then forgot the pattern.
@medz No You’re wrong there, that’s home depot parking lot labor there.
@cranky1950 Most union workers I’ve met do the bare minimum. They don’t work fast and they take lots of breaks… I guess they figure the union dues they pay is like a permit to be lazy workers.
@medz you’ve just described the good ol boy clique everywhere I’ve worked here.
@cranky1950 true. Non union workers can be just as lazy. The idea that union workers always do superior work isn’t true in my opinion.
@cranky1950 @medz
Unionization wasn’t to claim that union workers did higher quality work. In trades, yes, trade craft matters, and unions were based on guilds.
Generalized, however, unions are about demanding fair wages and working conditions for work, instead of race-to-the-bottom wage slavery, which is what ‘right to work’ (for less) is really about by picking off the weak sheep first (there will always be someone more desperate than you). The ‘gig economy’ and H1B visas have ‘gerrymandered’ the negotiations between management and labor, and essentially will degenerate into legalized slavery.
And what business doesn’t like ‘free’ (or as close to free as is legally possible) labor, ‘free’ environmental costs paid by future generations or by simply replacing the workforce with ‘at will’ employment.
And as consumers, we turn a blind eye and love our low, low prices and price rollbacks.
That’s the real reason we have unions, not the management propaganda that it is just a baseless claim about worker ‘skill’. Because management has done everything in its power to automate and eliminate skill from all manufacturing across the supply chain - to fit the agenda that unions are just lazy overpaid workers.
Although there is a case to be made for the congress and legislature members unions.
@cranky1950 @medz @mike808 I work in the design side of construction. My last company was union; my current is not. Same line of work and it still has to be inspected by the city/county, so no difference in the resulting work.
The skilled crew are paid pretty close in wages, though the benefits (like pensions) are vastly different. One big difference is that a lot of the work doesn’t need the full skillset. With union, the wages are set to a schedule; non-union, wages are set to the skill level required. The downside to that in union is a C-level performance is rewarded the same as an A-level.
All of them still need to be certified and pass OSHA training.
Any laziness is on the company’s management and tolerance for the said laziness.
@cranky1950 @medz @narfcake
The same could be said about management.
Not true, at least in IT. Management applies a wage schedule to contract labor outsourced to “staffing firms” (H1B visa pimps) that is not based on skill levels at all, but based on FTE replacement costs.
The purpose is to shift benefits (mainly healthcare & retirement) costs onto the workers without also transferring the commensurate wage increases that were previously being absorbed by the employer (for the purpose of obtaining “union” discounts on the costs of those benefits, by the way).
Because back in the days when America was “great”, according to Our Dear Leader, lots of racists-in-denial that voted for him, and a certain former senator from Alabama, you could just sell or legally “divest” your plantation of workers when they got ‘lame’ or ‘uppity’.
@mike808 No arguments there!
You’re right that the use of staffing firms and contract employees has skirted some of the laws and benefits that would have otherwise applied when one is under full-time employment.
I noticed the inner bricks right away… that’s kinda funny
Once you see it you can’t see anything else.
Sup G?
Somebody definitely wasn’t a Tetris aficionado!!