@chienfou@stolicat@tinamarie1974 “Because I will put on these boots
one day or another to leave you”
doesn’t quite have the same punch to it as “One of these days these boots
are gonna walk all over you”!
A little girl I used to sit for once said to her mom “Mommy, lie on the floor!” Mom asked why, and she said “I’m playing that I’m the most beautiful girl in the world and I’m going to walk out on you!”
@chienfou@Kyeh@stolicat@tinamarie1974 I think we have definitely chosen the more interesting vinyl thread. Sorry, record people; we love you too and have the utmost respect for your life choices regarding vinyl 🥰
If you actually have a good enough analog 2-channel system to extract all of the goodness from those grooves, then it is so very, very worth it. If not, then you’re a hipster. That can be worth it too I guess, if being a hipster is your thing.
@RiotDemon I have vinyl from the original owners/1999 but yeah. When it’s time to do the roof I’m thinking metal roof, hardie board siding. Fix the outside all at once. Be done with it for life. Need to save some money for that lol.
Yes. The sound engineering for vinyl was/is very different than for digital, (CDs and now streaming), as well as earbud profiles are also different.
I think digital loses the overtones and there is a richness missing. That said, digital can also add directional audio cues with a precision that vinyl can’t duplicate.
Digital formats also can have profiles that simply don’t exist when using the analog generation of a needle (e.g. 6.1) because the needle can physically be only in one place in time.
/youtube put the needle on the record
I have way too many records. And live in a place where space to put things is at a premium. So, they’re a bit of a burden, but bring me joy. Besides sounding better, I love that there’s a physical act to it. From buying them to listening to them. I enjoy the process of it all. Flipping through lps and singles, deciding which are worth the money. Needing to flip the record at the end of the side. Even deciding which side to put on first. Singles are even more engaging. You put on One Song before needing to do it again. It is an active thing. You can’t really listen to 45s as background music. That is not fun for everyone, but I really like it. So, they’re worth it to me.
As a vinyl fan, I have to say that it’s not better than CDs or digital music, but it’s not worse. It’s different, and it’s different in ways that I find enjoyable and appealing.
One thing I do love about vinyl is its physicality. The majority of my music is digital files (I don’t stream), and they’re essentially ephemeral. A vinyl record has a jacket with huge album art, and usually an inner sleeve with lyrics or art, or other interesting stuff. It’s an experience you definitely don’t get with digital music. CDs have some of this, but the packaging is so small that a lot of the detail in artwork and liner notes for vinyl releases get scaled down and you lose the effect.
You know what retro format I don’t get the resurgeance of, though? Cassette tapes. Fragile medium, crappy audio quality, and yet I have a small tape collection because it was the only physical media I could get some music on—because it was the only physical media it was released on.
When CDs came out, I became just a hair less enthusiastic about music. Despite the crystalline clarity, something was missing. Plus, the large format of LPs made you appreciate the artwork and the liner notes, sometimes including lyrics. Nevertheless, CDs were more convenient, and mp3 and streaming are more convenient still. I did once have a rare amplifier that made all of it sound much richer, but alas it was taken out irreparably when my house was struck by lightning. Nowadays, I don’t have room to collect. The collections are for sale. Phone and laptop plus Bluetooth will do. Artists should own the streaming media, though. Spotify is ripping them off.
@mike808 Yeah, I was using Spotify generically. Youtube is a little different kettle of fish, though, since there’s a lot of people who post videos using other folks’ content, then get blocked. In terms of music, I think they should develop a statutory system wherein artists are automatically paid proportionally for the reuse of their music within a legitimate company, kind of as though they were being played on the radio, which has a statutory payment attached to it. So it would be like if I used your song for a reaction video on Youtube, you would simply get paid some or most of anything I make off the video, or maybe a flat fee or a fee based on how much of your song is played. However it was calculated, the formula would be known and the payment would be pretty much automated.
@tarpaper That statutory thing isn’t a thing. It’s a contract Spotify has with ASPCAS, and only artists that are members of ASPCAS (all major label artists are members through their labels) share in those royalties. ASPCAS went after all the streaming services for their cut (the publisher’s reproduction royalty rights, which is where the money is).
If you’re an Indie artist, you would need your own membership in ASPCAS, or, go get your own lobbying group to buy the laws you want written, much like the RIAA and MPAA did with the DMCA, ASPCAS did for the labels for streaming, and ALEC does for corporations that want anti-consumer laws passed.
If you want, as an artist, to share on those reproduction royalties, then you can join Tidal, or start your own streaming service and keep your content exclusive.
Generally, it’s still all a scam on the artists by an industry built entirely of middlemen sandwich skyscrapers. Many will enter, few will win.
@mike808 No, statutes are involved, and I think you mean ASCAP, which is an organization for collecting royalties and has competition such as BMI, but neither does streaming. It’s all a bit of a morass. The fact that so much goes through the cloud these days should actually serve to simplify the morass. I watch a lot of Youtube and may start posting stuff that’s a little less random than my old “home movies”, so I tend to focus on the way they seem to be mishandling opportunities for everyone to appropriately and easily share the wealth. https://blog.songtrust.com/what-are-mechanical-royalties#:~:text=The rate paid for mechanical,songs longer than five minutes.
SoundExchange handles streaming on a per stream basis. But none of the services seem to cover fan and teaching reuse of content, particularly music. I think this sort of thing should better happen automatically, either through major aggregating services, like YouTube, who would maintain the relationships with royalty organizations, or by adding a little bit of code, not by individuals having to establish complex business relationships and recordkeeping if they are even allowed to use the content at all.
@tarpaper Didn’t know Congress dipped its toes there. I was agreeing it is a steaming hot mess.
There are a number of stakeholders, all with competing and mis-aligned interests, so it probably won’t get cleared up any time soon.
One thing that is interesting in the space is the buzzword “NFT”. Essentially, it is a digital “deed” to content that can also contain licensing terms (i.e. “smart contract”), and it is recorded onto a ledger, aka a “blockchain”). It won’t be the famous “bitcoin” blockchain, or even the Ethereum, but likely some other “coin” will emerge as the most useful. There may even be different ledgers/blockchains/alt-coins for different media or distribution channels. The benefit is that once the “smart contract” is put on the ledger, everyone (who has access to the ledger - not all blockchains are public) can see exactly what the terms of the licensing is/was and it can’t be changed or manipulated afterwards.
Royalties can then be automated using smart contracts tied to NFTs. It’s likely to get pushback from the labels and studios since their business model is to deduct as much as possible before payouts to content producers in order to generate profit. aka “hollywood accounting” or “record label accounting”.
My husband loves vinyl! Never put them away. He was the 2nd eldest of 8 kids and the other kids knew never to touch his records. Somehow I never treated mine special, yet they were in the same condition as his! Only problem I find is you have to get up and flip the record over. Nobody has the record player next to their chair.
Never got into vinyl. My parents did have a modest collection when I was a kid, and I do recall one particular record. No idea what music was on it, I just remember that it was labeled as “unbreakable,” so I tried using it as a frisbee. It broke. I quickly stuffed the pieces back in the sleeve and pretended that nothing happened. That year I got a broken record for Christmas…
I said “No,” but I thought about it and it might be worth it, for the artwork. Sound quality is just not great compared to modern options for audio playback, and maybe if you like the tea ceremony and romance/nostalgia of a big disk spinning around, go for it. More power to you.
I lost 10 feet of shelving worth of vinyl disks when my shop flooded while they were being stored in it as I was working on remodeling the house. Trashed all the album jackets and caused the disks to get moldy by the time I sorted it all out. Shit canned the whole lot of them. Broke my heart! Lots of early releases and stuff bought from Columbia House Records (of “tape a penny to the postcard and get 12 free introductory albums” fame…) over the years. Moral of the story… put the shit you are serious about keeping up above the flood level!
My two cents - Vinyl is worth it… for certain things.
I keep vinyl reserved for classics (beatles, led zep, black sabbath, rolling stones etc) & old punk (black flag, stooges, misfits, dead kennedys, you get the idea).
Is it nostalgic? Sure.
Does it sound better? Not really.
Just a bit more accurate for the time they came from.
I still have all my old vinyl, about 4 milk crates full. Plus a box of 45s. And they got a lot of mileage. (I wore out four Discwashers over the years.)
But I haven’t listened to any of them in literally decades, since my son (who is now an adult) discovered all of the nice round black discs inside the skinny books on the bottom shelf of the bookcase crawling around our apartment one day, when he was about 18 months old.
So at that point, I copied all my albums & 45s onto cassettes, and disconnected my trusty old Thorens turntable. Since that, I migrated to CDs & MP3s & streaming. In all honesty, the bulk of my music listening was actually to live concert tapes. (Primarily cassettes, copied from others, or from reel to reel Masters.)
Maybe I’ll pull my vinyl collection out of retirement & “give it a spin”.
Problem is, I have doubts that my old belt drive turntable would even work after all these years of disuse.
I did pick up a cheap USB interface turntable a couple of years ago. But it was purchased as more of a lark, and I never even tried it out. I don’t think it’s sound reproduction capabilities would be all that good.
Plus there’s the consideration that if the turntable’s output is USB, then there is analog/digital signal conversion involved, and isn’t this essentially defeating the inherent nature & attraction of vinyl in the first place?
I wonder if it’s worth trying to open the USB turntable up, and seeing if the analog signal from the cartridge can be accessed & fed into an old turntable preamp???
Maybe I should first pull my turntable out of the garage, and see if by any chance it still powers up, and the drive belt hasn’t turned to dust.
I guess I’ll have to buy another Discwasher too. (If they even make them…)