@mbersiam Bet anything that Lemon’s was about to be fired anyway and when they heard at CNN that Carlson was fired, they quickly decided to do it same day figuring it would get a lot less coverage if someone more important than him was fired less than a hour ago.
@mbersiam I mean technically neither of them is “leaving”. They were both fired with no notice. And no stated reason. But yes there’s some truth in there
@unksol meh… neither breaks my heart. I haven’t watched corporate media in almost a decade. It’s all a circus. I honestly can’t believe any of those networks are still on air.
@mbersiam I didn’t know who Don Lemon was. I only know who Tucker is because reasons. But generally I don’t watch any of them. Can’t be good for your mental health to have those talking heads on 24/7.
@haydesigner hey I saw that within a few hours of Tucker being Fired from FOX he got another Job offer. It is with Russian State news media. Tucker is very Popular as he pretty much Parrots Putin’s talking points. He is a star ️ & shown on tv there.
@phendrick@unksol
there once was a host named Tucker
who lied like a muther-something
he raked in the pay
till the courts had their say
and Fox quickly said So Long, Sucker
@phendrick@pmarin@unksol
There once was an anchor named Tucker
He was a real broadcast rake-mucker
He spoke with real candor
But FOX News liked to pander
To Deep State asshole mother-fuckers
Speaking on his show: “I love Trump” (paraphrased)
Texting with a fellow Fox employee:
“I hate him passionately.” (verbatim)
“We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it [the last four years], because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There isn’t really an upside to Trump.” (verbatim)
Although there can be no doubt that Carlson was a part of the problem, it is well documented that the decision to engage in these tactics predates his tenure there by rather a long time. But he’s no scapegoat, more of a sacrifice to the gods of “Next time …”
@werehatrack There will be a change. His problem wasn’t that he lied on air, but that he told the truth in private correspondence - that got into the hands of the Dominion lawyers. Henceforth, all Fox employees will be required to live the lie 24/7, with all of their media subject to surveillance by Fox. There may be some new job openings at Fox for Thought Police “Internal Security” specialists.
@lisaviolet I have little doubt that at least one part of it was a statement to him that “somebody has to take the fall for this, and it’s not going to be us.”
@lisaviolet@werehatrack I think another big part of it is the sexual harassment suit by a former senior booking producer. Obviously, that whole corporation is a pig sty. Yet another plus for their viewers, i guess.
@Felton10@ircon96 That’s because I’m here for the levity, not the bullshit. All you did was punch a hole in the bottom of the big bottle of respect I had for you. That bottle is now empty. Have a good day.
@capnjb@Felton10 You’re concerned about name-calling & talk about respect, but you’re referring to people who are willingly spoon-fed a bunch of bullshit by propagandists & their network who have admitted IN COURT that what they spew can’t be considered serious or factual & is intended purely as “entertainment,” etc. Not to mention, a bunch of juvenile bros who refer to women as cunts & regularly engage in sexist, misogynistic antics IN A WORKPLACE shared by women. IMO, any audience who subscribes to this drivel is ripe for ridicule and the miscreants who deliver it are beneath contempt. I would hope that you feel the same, considering you are a husband & the father of a young woman yourself.
Gaslighting 101. Please specify where I was referring to anyone but you and Felton.
“Name-calling” was directly referring to our descriptions of the lying “anchors” &/or gullible viewers in question, neither of which includes Felton or me. Now maybe you can explain how my statement could be remotely considered gaslighting…? You might not be weak, but I submit your argument is.
In case anyone is in fear that TC has burned all his bridges and has no future in media: He has received job offers:
In a statement to Newsweek, a spokesperson for Russia Today wrote: “We already had the pleasure of working with the greats like Julian Assange and the late Larry King, and had extended an invite to President Trump in 2020, and we continue to welcome outspoken, diverse personalities on our network.”
…
Meanwhile, Carlson was also offered a role by Vladimir Solovyov, who hosts Evening With Vladimir Solovyov on Russia-1.
I was content to just ignore both the comment and the terminology, in the interest of letting the true colors fly where they could be seen and appreciated as the warning label that they were.
Understood. But we have hotheads on both sides, more than willing to fall for the troll bait. I’m glad it didn’t have a chance to descend into more name-calling.
@lisaviolet@werehatrack yeah there’s naming calling farther up the thread from others as well that haven’t been censored. This is a really volitile topic.
@lisaviolet@mbersiam@Thumperchick@werehatrack Personally I’m glad this was resolved this way with the edit. I have at one point in the past flagged the original offensive word (now removed). Without saying it, and whatever you think about those horrible “liberals,” it incorporated “retard” which was a word in the 1970s when I was in elementary school and it was a common word used by little boys to taunt each other. Also “gay” was a big word for little boys and I had ask my mother what it meant.
It’s sad that now major media outlets that have to pay almost a Billion with a B (as a little kid I had no idea how many 0’s that was) still support and promote people that use those terms. Glad to see it removed here, as it should be. I agree we are adults and should be free to say shit as much as we want (after all, they did it on South Park and had a digital counter for how many times they said it). But some words really shouldn’t be welcome here, and thankfully, aren’t.
It seems inconceivable to me that Carlson was acting alone as a rogue agent in all of this. If he had had the foresight to document each time that he was instructed or encouraged to engage in the sanctioned behavior, he could now have a profitable career ahead of him trashing the very people who just canned him. But as it is, as others have pointed out, the fact that he documented precisely the wrong things instead, or allowed them to be documented, means that he is going to be hung out to dry and wither in the wind. So it goes.
I think we can all agree that uncivil discourse and name calling became acceptable when Trump came on the political scene. Unfortunately so did overt racism, homophobia and anti-semitism (I am Jewish btw).
The topic at hand was the firing of Tucker Carlson. One would expect that a thread like this would end up in people expressing their political leanings. I think that once meh allowed the thread to be posted, they should allow any comments on it as long as the comments don’t become personal attacks on individual posters.
Some people might get insulted if a comment hits too close to home, but if it makes them re-examine their own
beliefs and prejudices then that is a good thing.
@Felton10 When you believe the “other side” are a bunch of scum-sucking bottom-dwellers, you don’t do yourself or “your side” any favors by diving down and showing everyone that you can suck at least as hard as they can. You just end up with shit on your face.
@Limewater I know you are not going to like my answer but that may work with people who rationally look at both sides and assess and compare the merits of both points of view. But with people who were just waiting for a person like Trump to vocalize what they felt inside but never said, you have to communicate to them in the only language they understand. If it means going down to their level, so be it.
@Felton10 seems like you’re dealing with a lot of internalized hate and projection. Maybe take a breath and step away from the conversation, as that amount of contempt for a group of people with a single attribute in common isn’t healthy.
@mbersiam Well if you lived in FL like I do and saw all the crap that is being shoved our way on a daily basis by a lemming legislature for the only reason to get our Hitler like Governor the nomination, you might have a chip on your shoulder also.
@mbersiam You are extremely lucky to not be bombarded with who did what to whom on seemly hourly basis. It is exhausting to say the least. And being on the computer all day for work-can’t help but stray to the news when I take time off. But that is my life.
@werehatrack We moved here 21 years ago unfortunately have gotten used to the warm weather. After all the crazy laws that DeSantis has signed who knows what Florida will look like when he moves on to his next endeavor. If there was somewhere else to move, we would gladly consider it, but at our age that is really not an option.
A lot of the laws he has pushed through don’t effect us directly, but certainly they will have an impact on the state as a whole.
@Felton10 I’m sorry but I can’t agree with this.
“I think we can all agree that uncivil discourse and name calling became acceptable when Trump came on the political scene.”
I can agree you’re entitled to your anger, especially in Florida or another state with similar issues. Indiana has some but not as much as a lot of others. but I was really hoping we could have learned from the whole political quarantine. Mess. And kept the tone a little more restrained. Which seems mostly on track. I seriously thought about not posting it but… It’s major news and taking the piss out of Tucker for getting fired seems perfectly fair considering he is a public figure documented being a hypocrite in a major court settlement. And there are facts. And the irony of Rupert Murdoch firing him. Don’t think I saw anyone jumping in to defend him either. Maybe it will make some people think about why cause they can’t ignore him getting fired. Maybe not.
@unksol I respect your opinion but I don’t think there is any doubt that Trump’s rhetoric emboldened those who have lived in the shadows for many years with their racist, homophobic, xenophobic and anti-semitic beliefs to not only go public but even worse to act on those beliefs.
You may not be in one of the aforementioned groups but when you see first hand the destruction one of those lowlifes did to your place of worship-it doesn’t take a mind reader to pinpoint exactly who started the ball rolling in that direction.
@Felton10 I just don’t see the good in sinking. Or synching. To that level. Just drives the wedge further which is what some people want because it helps enable that type of bad behavior/extreme loyalism with an immediate reaction. And some people are clearly catering to extremism and reaching those groups. Saying this person clearly said this to this group of people which caused some of them to do xyz. I don’t have an issue with. That is a fact of a number of things including January 6th. But only a very small minority of the people they are trying to manipulate agree/act on it. Those people are the way they were, just with a hall pass. If we want it to stop people have to get back on the same page and agree it’s unacceptable.
Having a cathartic moment over Carlson, who was probably fired for just being awful in general and was likely a business decision seems fine. He’s not a political figure he’s an opportunist liar and demonstrably bad person. And if Rupert Murdoch fired him it’s because he was no longer useful. Maybe they’ll correct a little if they lose those viewers and need to pull/keep others. Who knows. Hes probably just a sociopath like many CEOs. How people are manipulated is a different, very frustrating thing. But I’m sure there are some people very angry about what Tucker and Fox did, even if it won’t change some core values. People used to be able to have those without it being all out war, and still get some things done.
If you think about it logically the whole reason they went down this road was to keep their viewers from OAN and NewsMax. The settlement is basically an admission. Tucker was the face of it. If the viewers are going to leave because the settlement is a conspiracy or whatever Tucker has no value. He’ll probably just pop up on one of those anyway. Just hopefully with less people to lie to.
@Felton10@unksol It is difficult to build bridges with people who are determined to build walls. In rural Texas and much of non-rural Texas, the fierce pride with which the self-designated “conservatives” (who are nothing of the sort) decry any attempt to reach across the gulf means that one is only wasting time by trying. Absent a detuning of the echo chamber that feeds their cherished misunderstandings, their virulent hatreds and intolerances, and their absolute certainties, there really isn’t any hope of fixing the problem. And at this point, even just taking Fox News out of the picture would not make much difference; it might make things worse in fact, because they have spawned a huge crop of even more radical alternative channels on the Net. Only a sea change that starts at the top, with full admissions of the pernicious intent behind the entire move to divide and conquer, could begin to soften things up. We are not going to see that in my lifetime, I’m very sure.
@Felton10@werehatrack I’m not suggesting building bridges. If people have the capacity to deal with/put in that effort. Sure. I guess.
You can be friends with people who disagree with you/not talk about core values but I hope agree on how shit Texas fucked up it’s grid for example.
They can build their wall. They can camp over on their side if they want. I just don’t see the point in painting “them” all with the same brush/building your own wall on the other side. Makes it much harder for them to escape. Never mind the refugees in the middle
@Felton10@werehatrack @unksol I would like to think what you say is true, that the number of truly heinous people is a small fraction of their viewership, but considering how many people were willing to vote for the tangerine toddler a SECOND time, after it was abundantly clear what a totally toxic misanthrope he is, makes me fear for the direction too many people are headed in this country. I agree that we need both sides for politics to function, but to me, both sides means progressives & O.G. conservatives, not radical militants (of any persuasion) & neo-Nazi scum. Fool me once, shame on you, fooling me twice means i WANT to be fooled. Being a willing accomplice to this insanity tells me they’ve been lost to the dark side; maybe not completely unredeemable, but it seems like it would take a near miracle to get these sociopaths to become rational, productive members of society.
@Felton10@ircon96@werehatrack or you know they’ve been intentionally so ramped up by a culture war and the fear the that rational people are stealing the country.
Also that base is a minority of the country period. Then the really screwed up people are a minority of a minority. It’s not like it’s a 50/50 thing and it’s only the way it is because of people where whipped up into a war over their core beliefs. Funny thing. I can choose to not give a shit what people think
@ircon96@unksol@werehatrack We became acquainted with this couple that we were paired with at trivia who actually lives near us three houses away on the other side of the street who obviously are Republicans. She had mentioned to my wife a couple of times how great a job Gov DeSantis is doing (the same gov who lemming legislature is now considering a bill to prevent any discussions in grades 6 and below of the female menstrual cycle).
Anyway while we were standing in line with them for a show, I mentioned something about a letter to the editor I had just written and gotten published in the local paper about that DeSantis was fooled by a mouse. Her reaction said it all and I ended up asking her if she would vote for Trump again and she said yes. I said but he is such an awful person to which she replied some gibberish about Biden hiding out in his basement (a right wing Fox talking point when he was running for office). Told me I better drop the subject as any further meaningful discussion of the facts was useless.
@Felton10@ircon96@werehatrack I’m pretty sure you didn’t open with “the orange skid mark” though? It’s possible to accept the indoctrinated people believe what they believe and you can’t fix it and just let it go before you blow a gasket.
And I’d have tried too because Desantis is deploying obvious manipulation techniques and trump. Is trump. I’ve had those conversations with friends about some things. A couple times. Not quiet that dumb but. They don’t feel like Biden because of something and they have no other choice but Trump. I think that’s dumb because he literally has no morals but they think no politician has any. Which. May be fair. People in power have always has alternative motives. And they may dislike what he says or literally how dumb he is but like what they think he’s doing. Be it deregulation or tax “cuts” that actually hurt them but they are lied to about or. Whatever.
We don’t have to talk about politics. It’s easy to avoid. People are still people. And if we are going to, we talk about an issue cause who gives a fuck about tuck or ron or trump. Assholes though they may be. They made themselves a Mickey mouse club that is never going to listen to anything. Ok. I don’t have to engage with those people.
I heard Don Lemon was fired (from CNN) too
@mbersiam apparently so.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/24/1171662180/don-lemon-cnn-terminated
I think one is more noteable than the other for… Reasons. That I’ll keep to myself
@unksol True, Tucker was the highest rated news anchor across all of Corporate media. So his leaving would be more notable than anything CNN produced.
@mbersiam Bet anything that Lemon’s was about to be fired anyway and when they heard at CNN that Carlson was fired, they quickly decided to do it same day figuring it would get a lot less coverage if someone more important than him was fired less than a hour ago.
@mbersiam I mean technically neither of them is “leaving”. They were both fired with no notice. And no stated reason. But yes there’s some truth in there
@unksol meh… neither breaks my heart. I haven’t watched corporate media in almost a decade. It’s all a circus. I honestly can’t believe any of those networks are still on air.
@mbersiam I didn’t know who Don Lemon was. I only know who Tucker is because reasons. But generally I don’t watch any of them. Can’t be good for your mental health to have those talking heads on 24/7.
@mbersiam @unksol but Tucker is a Fascist, plus a Hit in Russia!
Tucker Carlson has now been fired by Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC… it’s like he’s achieved the Triple Crown.
@haydesigner hey I saw that within a few hours of Tucker being Fired from FOX he got another Job offer. It is with Russian State news media. Tucker is very Popular as he pretty much Parrots Putin’s talking points. He is a star
️ & shown on tv there.
“Tucked around and found out”
HAHAHAHAHA! #FAroundAndFindOut
Wasn’t there some limerick about him?
@phendrick I think that’s Cucker Tarlson? Very different person
@phendrick @unksol
there once was a host named Tucker
who lied like a muther-something
he raked in the pay
till the courts had their say
and Fox quickly said So Long, Sucker
@phendrick @pmarin @unksol
There once was an anchor named Tucker
He was a real broadcast rake-mucker
He spoke with real candor
But FOX News liked to pander
To Deep State asshole mother-fuckers
@phendrick @pmarin @Trinityscrew @unksol
It was the opposite though…!
Speaking on his show: “I love Trump” (paraphrased)
Texting with a fellow Fox employee:
“I hate him passionately.” (verbatim)
“We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it [the last four years], because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There isn’t really an upside to Trump.” (verbatim)
https://news.yahoo.com/hate-him-passionately-tucker-carlson-134232346.html
Lies have consequences… Sometimes, maybe, eventually
@scilynt probably only if it costs another liar a lot of money
Celebrate that Tucker was shat canned!! PTL!
@mycya4me you can say shit canned, its allowed
@mycya4me @somf69 shat canned is past tense, so grammatically correct?
@mycya4me @pmarin @somf69 nope, shit is the adjective adding color to how they were CANNED.
@somf69 But it is like saying Frack instead of the other words… You still understand what I said! Plus adds a LOT of color too!
@mycya4me @somf69
is it a color or a sound?
/youtube south park brown noise
Although there can be no doubt that Carlson was a part of the problem, it is well documented that the decision to engage in these tactics predates his tenure there by rather a long time. But he’s no scapegoat, more of a sacrifice to the gods of “Next time …”
Why does he always look like he’s been hit in the head with a baseball bat?
@blaineg Are you sure that is the look? I can always grab my bat and verify if you want.
@blaineg @yakkoTDI or a flagpole…?
actually, looks more like he took a hit of bear spray.
@blaineg He probably has been hit more than a few times… I mean, if there’s a more battable head, i haven’t come across it!
In the words of Chunk from the Goonies:
“Thank God!!”
I wish I could think his firing could be a sign of a real change at Fox corporate, but that’s not going to happen.
@werehatrack There will be a change. His problem wasn’t that he lied on air, but that he told the truth in private correspondence - that got into the hands of the Dominion lawyers. Henceforth, all Fox employees will be required to live the lie 24/7, with all of their media subject to surveillance by Fox. There may be some new job openings at Fox for
Thought Police“Internal Security” specialists.@werehatrack the part I like the most about Tucker being canned is he’s not getting a severance.
O’Reilly and Ailes did.
I read that Tucker won’t because he was fired “for cause”.
I wonder if we’ll ever know the whole story.
@lisaviolet I have little doubt that at least one part of it was a statement to him that “somebody has to take the fall for this, and it’s not going to be us.”
@lisaviolet @werehatrack I think another big part of it is the sexual harassment suit by a former senior booking producer. Obviously, that whole corporation is a pig sty. Yet another plus for their viewers, i guess.
Now we can only hope all the other Faux Noise turds are flushed with equal lack of fanfare!
@ircon96 As long as there are MAGAs* around, there is a always going to be a market for the shit they are shoveling.
*TC edit
@Felton10 Alas, so true.
@Felton10 @ircon96 Name calling is a bit petty. Maybe even a lot petty.
@capnjb @ircon96 Tell the Orange Skidmark that-it’s the only thing his uninformed uneducated lemmings understand except violence that is.
@Felton10 @ircon96 This is an unfortunate comment.
@capnjb @ircon96 But you never said it wasn’t true.
@Felton10 @ircon96 That’s because I’m here for the levity, not the bullshit. All you did was punch a hole in the bottom of the big bottle of respect I had for you. That bottle is now empty. Have a good day.
@capnjb @ircon96 I am going to stay awake all night worrying about what you think of me. NOT.
@capnjb @Felton10 You’re concerned about name-calling & talk about respect, but you’re referring to people who are willingly spoon-fed a bunch of bullshit by propagandists & their network who have admitted IN COURT that what they spew can’t be considered serious or factual & is intended purely as “entertainment,” etc. Not to mention, a bunch of juvenile bros who refer to women as cunts & regularly engage in sexist, misogynistic antics IN A WORKPLACE shared by women. IMO, any audience who subscribes to this drivel is ripe for ridicule and the miscreants who deliver it are beneath contempt. I would hope that you feel the same, considering you are a husband & the father of a young woman yourself.
@Felton10 @ircon96
Gaslighting 101. Please specify where I was referring to anyone but you and Felton.
I put my life out there. I told you my story. Do not equate my time near death with being weak.
@capnjb @Felton10 @ircon96 But you gotta enjoy the irony/P-K-B factor in some of these comments - amiright?
@capnjb @Felton10
“Name-calling” was directly referring to our descriptions of the lying “anchors” &/or gullible viewers in question, neither of which includes Felton or me. Now maybe you can explain how my statement could be remotely considered gaslighting…? You might not be weak, but I submit your argument is.
@capnjb @Felton10 @macromeh
Protein kinase B?
@capnjb @Felton10 @ircon96
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black
@capnjb @Felton10 @macromeh Wouldn’t that be P-C-K-B? In any case, i don’t see how it applies in this situation.
@capnjb @Felton10 @ircon96 That only makes it funnier.
In case anyone is in fear that TC has burned all his bridges and has no future in media: He has received job offers:
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-gets-offer-russia-state-media-1796379
@rockblossom How proud he must be!
@rockblossom also RT
@rockblossom Here’s that job offer for “Our Beloved Tucker”…
Average Moscow salary is $1000/month…hope they can afford him.
@rockblossom So no change at all in his job description. Just a little more transparency.
@blaineg And less money. The Ruble/Dollar exchange rate isn’t doing well these days.
This is the gosh darn US of A! We don’t need no stinking Ruski mouthpieces on our airwaves!
@Shoebox23
Perhaps he can host a ‘reality’ show: “Celebrity Liar Apprentice?”
@hap46st That’s already been done, it was just called, “Celebrity Apprentice.”
A bunch of libs on here… boy o boy!
VolMod edit
@narfcake @ignorant @RiotDemon
Any response to this?
@hid16969 we are freedom fighters in enemy territory!
I was content to just ignore both the comment and the terminology, in the interest of letting the true colors fly where they could be seen and appreciated as the warning label that they were.
@werehatrack
Understood. But we have hotheads on both sides, more than willing to fall for the troll bait. I’m glad it didn’t have a chance to descend into more name-calling.
@lisaviolet @werehatrack yeah there’s naming calling farther up the thread from others as well that haven’t been censored. This is a really volitile topic.
@mbersiam @werehatrack Should be. I haven’t read the whole thread.
Okay, I saw one, but it wasn’t clear that it was intended for anyone here.
Maybe the others were already removed?
@lisaviolet @mbersiam @werehatrack I went back through and found it. Feel to tag us in when you see stuff like that.
We’re trying to stay neutral with our edits, but human error is still a thing.
@mbersiam @Thumperchick @werehatrack Thank you.
@lisaviolet @mbersiam @Thumperchick @werehatrack Personally I’m glad this was resolved this way with the edit. I have at one point in the past flagged the original offensive word (now removed). Without saying it, and whatever you think about those horrible “liberals,” it incorporated “retard” which was a word in the 1970s when I was in elementary school and it was a common word used by little boys to taunt each other. Also “gay” was a big word for little boys and I had ask my mother what it meant.
It’s sad that now major media outlets that have to pay almost a Billion with a B (as a little kid I had no idea how many 0’s that was) still support and promote people that use those terms. Glad to see it removed here, as it should be. I agree we are adults and should be free to say shit as much as we want (after all, they did it on South Park and had a digital counter for how many times they said it). But some words really shouldn’t be welcome here, and thankfully, aren’t.
@mbersiam @pmarin @Thumperchick @werehatrack It is.
I do not like ANY word that uses any form of “tard” as a slur.
@hid16969 I tend toward conservative. Still want to own me?
It seems inconceivable to me that Carlson was acting alone as a rogue agent in all of this. If he had had the foresight to document each time that he was instructed or encouraged to engage in the sanctioned behavior, he could now have a profitable career ahead of him trashing the very people who just canned him. But as it is, as others have pointed out, the fact that he documented precisely the wrong things instead, or allowed them to be documented, means that he is going to be hung out to dry and wither in the wind. So it goes.
@werehatrack What’s that saying? “Fuck around and find out.”
@lisaviolet @werehatrack I wish there weren’t so many negative connotations associated with the phrase “fuck around and find out.”
It’s a high-level distillation of the scientific method.
@Limewater @lisaviolet @werehatrack True, but in all the connotations, things can blow up in your face, sometimes deservedly so, as in the case at hand.
@Limewater @lisaviolet @werehatrack
“Remember kids, the difference between screwing around and science is writing it down.”
Adam Savage
Chill out, have a beer.
@Kyeh
@lisaviolet
Hank Williams - There’s A Tear In My Beer
@Kyeh
@Kyeh I thought you’d get a chuckle from this.
@lisaviolet
The hate spewed here is why I don’t participate.
I think we can all agree that uncivil discourse and name calling became acceptable when Trump came on the political scene. Unfortunately so did overt racism, homophobia and anti-semitism (I am Jewish btw).
The topic at hand was the firing of Tucker Carlson. One would expect that a thread like this would end up in people expressing their political leanings. I think that once meh allowed the thread to be posted, they should allow any comments on it as long as the comments don’t become personal attacks on individual posters.
Some people might get insulted if a comment hits too close to home, but if it makes them re-examine their own
beliefs and prejudices then that is a good thing.
@Felton10 When you believe the “other side” are a bunch of scum-sucking bottom-dwellers, you don’t do yourself or “your side” any favors by diving down and showing everyone that you can suck at least as hard as they can. You just end up with shit on your face.
@Limewater I know you are not going to like my answer but that may work with people who rationally look at both sides and assess and compare the merits of both points of view. But with people who were just waiting for a person like Trump to vocalize what they felt inside but never said, you have to communicate to them in the only language they understand. If it means going down to their level, so be it.
@Felton10 seems like you’re dealing with a lot of internalized hate and projection. Maybe take a breath and step away from the conversation, as that amount of contempt for a group of people with a single attribute in common isn’t healthy.
@mbersiam Well if you lived in FL like I do and saw all the crap that is being shoved our way on a daily basis by a lemming legislature for the only reason to get our Hitler like Governor the nomination, you might have a chip on your shoulder also.
@Felton10 you have a point… i do live in a politic-free utopia and never step foot on social media
I’m also done with this conversation like other level-headed folks have stated.
Have a great weekend!
@mbersiam You are extremely lucky to not be bombarded with who did what to whom on seemly hourly basis. It is exhausting to say the least. And being on the computer all day for work-can’t help but stray to the news when I take time off. But that is my life.
@Felton10 I grew up in Miami. I know your pain. And I’m sure you can appreciate why I say that I escaped in 1981.
@werehatrack We moved here 21 years ago unfortunately have gotten used to the warm weather. After all the crazy laws that DeSantis has signed who knows what Florida will look like when he moves on to his next endeavor. If there was somewhere else to move, we would gladly consider it, but at our age that is really not an option.
A lot of the laws he has pushed through don’t effect us directly, but certainly they will have an impact on the state as a whole.
@Felton10 I’m sorry but I can’t agree with this.
“I think we can all agree that uncivil discourse and name calling became acceptable when Trump came on the political scene.”
I can agree you’re entitled to your anger, especially in Florida or another state with similar issues. Indiana has some but not as much as a lot of others. but I was really hoping we could have learned from the whole political quarantine. Mess. And kept the tone a little more restrained. Which seems mostly on track. I seriously thought about not posting it but… It’s major news and taking the piss out of Tucker for getting fired seems perfectly fair considering he is a public figure documented being a hypocrite in a major court settlement. And there are facts. And the irony of Rupert Murdoch firing him. Don’t think I saw anyone jumping in to defend him either. Maybe it will make some people think about why cause they can’t ignore him getting fired. Maybe not.
@unksol I respect your opinion but I don’t think there is any doubt that Trump’s rhetoric emboldened those who have lived in the shadows for many years with their racist, homophobic, xenophobic and anti-semitic beliefs to not only go public but even worse to act on those beliefs.
You may not be in one of the aforementioned groups but when you see first hand the destruction one of those lowlifes did to your place of worship-it doesn’t take a mind reader to pinpoint exactly who started the ball rolling in that direction.
@Felton10 I just don’t see the good in sinking. Or synching. To that level. Just drives the wedge further which is what some people want because it helps enable that type of bad behavior/extreme loyalism with an immediate reaction. And some people are clearly catering to extremism and reaching those groups. Saying this person clearly said this to this group of people which caused some of them to do xyz. I don’t have an issue with. That is a fact of a number of things including January 6th. But only a very small minority of the people they are trying to manipulate agree/act on it. Those people are the way they were, just with a hall pass. If we want it to stop people have to get back on the same page and agree it’s unacceptable.
Having a cathartic moment over Carlson, who was probably fired for just being awful in general and was likely a business decision seems fine. He’s not a political figure he’s an opportunist liar and demonstrably bad person. And if Rupert Murdoch fired him it’s because he was no longer useful. Maybe they’ll correct a little if they lose those viewers and need to pull/keep others. Who knows. Hes probably just a sociopath like many CEOs. How people are manipulated is a different, very frustrating thing. But I’m sure there are some people very angry about what Tucker and Fox did, even if it won’t change some core values. People used to be able to have those without it being all out war, and still get some things done.
If you think about it logically the whole reason they went down this road was to keep their viewers from OAN and NewsMax. The settlement is basically an admission. Tucker was the face of it. If the viewers are going to leave because the settlement is a conspiracy or whatever Tucker has no value. He’ll probably just pop up on one of those anyway. Just hopefully with less people to lie to.
@Felton10 @unksol It is difficult to build bridges with people who are determined to build walls. In rural Texas and much of non-rural Texas, the fierce pride with which the self-designated “conservatives” (who are nothing of the sort) decry any attempt to reach across the gulf means that one is only wasting time by trying. Absent a detuning of the echo chamber that feeds their cherished misunderstandings, their virulent hatreds and intolerances, and their absolute certainties, there really isn’t any hope of fixing the problem. And at this point, even just taking Fox News out of the picture would not make much difference; it might make things worse in fact, because they have spawned a huge crop of even more radical alternative channels on the Net. Only a sea change that starts at the top, with full admissions of the pernicious intent behind the entire move to divide and conquer, could begin to soften things up. We are not going to see that in my lifetime, I’m very sure.
@Felton10 @werehatrack I’m not suggesting building bridges. If people have the capacity to deal with/put in that effort. Sure. I guess.
You can be friends with people who disagree with you/not talk about core values but I hope agree on how shit Texas fucked up it’s grid for example.
They can build their wall. They can camp over on their side if they want. I just don’t see the point in painting “them” all with the same brush/building your own wall on the other side. Makes it much harder for them to escape. Never mind the refugees in the middle
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@unksol I would like to think what you say is true, that the number of truly heinous people is a small fraction of their viewership, but considering how many people were willing to vote for the tangerine toddler a SECOND time, after it was abundantly clear what a totally toxic misanthrope he is, makes me fear for the direction too many people are headed in this country. I agree that we need both sides for politics to function, but to me, both sides means progressives & O.G. conservatives, not radical militants (of any persuasion) & neo-Nazi scum. Fool me once, shame on you, fooling me twice means i WANT to be fooled. Being a willing accomplice to this insanity tells me they’ve been lost to the dark side; maybe not completely unredeemable, but it seems like it would take a near miracle to get these sociopaths to become rational, productive members of society.
@Felton10 @ircon96 @werehatrack or you know they’ve been intentionally so ramped up by a culture war and the fear the that rational people are stealing the country.
Also that base is a minority of the country period. Then the really screwed up people are a minority of a minority. It’s not like it’s a 50/50 thing and it’s only the way it is because of people where whipped up into a war over their core beliefs. Funny thing. I can choose to not give a shit what people think
@ircon96 @unksol @werehatrack We became acquainted with this couple that we were paired with at trivia who actually lives near us three houses away on the other side of the street who obviously are Republicans. She had mentioned to my wife a couple of times how great a job Gov DeSantis is doing (the same gov who lemming legislature is now considering a bill to prevent any discussions in grades 6 and below of the female menstrual cycle).
Anyway while we were standing in line with them for a show, I mentioned something about a letter to the editor I had just written and gotten published in the local paper about that DeSantis was fooled by a mouse. Her reaction said it all and I ended up asking her if she would vote for Trump again and she said yes. I said but he is such an awful person to which she replied some gibberish about Biden hiding out in his basement (a right wing Fox talking point when he was running for office). Told me I better drop the subject as any further meaningful discussion of the facts was useless.
@Felton10 @ircon96 @werehatrack I’m pretty sure you didn’t open with “the orange skid mark” though? It’s possible to accept the indoctrinated people believe what they believe and you can’t fix it and just let it go before you blow a gasket.
And I’d have tried too because Desantis is deploying obvious manipulation techniques and trump. Is trump. I’ve had those conversations with friends about some things. A couple times. Not quiet that dumb but. They don’t feel like Biden because of something and they have no other choice but Trump. I think that’s dumb because he literally has no morals but they think no politician has any. Which. May be fair. People in power have always has alternative motives. And they may dislike what he says or literally how dumb he is but like what they think he’s doing. Be it deregulation or tax “cuts” that actually hurt them but they are lied to about or. Whatever.
We don’t have to talk about politics. It’s easy to avoid. People are still people. And if we are going to, we talk about an issue cause who gives a fuck about tuck or ron or trump. Assholes though they may be. They made themselves a Mickey mouse club that is never going to listen to anything. Ok. I don’t have to engage with those people.