@RiotDemon It was a serious question. But I wasn’t looking for an answer: I was looking for a response. And that’s what I’d like to see more of. It was getting to the point where the only way to get a real dialog going was to say something like, " Keep America Great" is a great slogan. Going over the many responses I see a lot of off the wall, where the hell did that shit come from. truly surreal stuff.
Elsewhere Anchises,
Fatherly and intent, was off in a deep green valley
Surveying and reviewing souls consigned there,
Those due to pass to the light of the upper world.
It so happened he was just then taking note
Of his whole posterity, the destinies and doings,
Traits and qualities of descendants dear to him,
But seeing Aeneas come wading through the grass
Towards him, he reached his two hands out
In eager joy, his eyes filled up with tears
And he gave a cry: “At last! Are you here at last?
I always trusted that your sense of right
Would prevail and keep you going to the end.
And am I now allowed to see your face,
My son, and hear you talk, and talk to you myself?
This is what I imagined and looked forward to
As I counted the days; and my trust was not misplaced.
To think of the lands and the outlying seas
You have crossed, my son, to receive this welcome.
And after such dangers! I was afraid that Africa
Might be your undoing.” But Aeneas replied:
“Often and often, father, you would appear to me,
Your sad shade would appear, and that kept me going
To this end. My ships are anchored in the Tuscan sea.
Let me take your hand, my father, O let me, and do not
Hold back from my embrace.” And as he spoke he wept.
Three times he tried to reach arms round that neck.
Three times the form, reached for in vain, escaped
Like a breeze between his hands, a dream on wings.
—from Seamus Heaney’s translation of the Aeneid. It’s all I ever think about, day in and day out
“Information Density” as phrase seems to call out to /giphy
/giphy information density
I wonder if there us an academic discipline that attempts to rigorously define and measure “information density”.
That idea amuses me a little. Because, unless the context of the result is sharply and rigorously limited every time, any answer given is both meaningless and erroneous.
Am too tired to calculate this. Is info really lost; or is the “missing info” automagically implied by other aspects of English?
I don’t know anything about comparative info utilities within different languages, except for mathematical English vs colloquial English.
And even those differences get all mysterious and squishy and inside-out on close examination.
The universe is full of black holes. Not all of them are within the boundaries of the physical universe(s). Many of them are inherent in language and logic.
“Logic” is such a fucker. You mess with it thinking to make things clear. And in the non-rigorously-examined-sense, often logic does just that.
And then if you really really start to look at it, and how it interacts with language, and what language is or isn’t (as far as we can perceive or understand at present), and what language could possibly be, defined in the sense that will cover the examples of all known and implied languages …:
/giphy oops
Thought I actually knew something, within my teeny brain.
I probably should have said ‘word density’, or some such. But I don’t mind ‘information density’ as a description of the difference between the left and right pages above. Latin really does get essentially the same message across in less space.
I’m guessing that ‘negative information density’ could be something of any length that is more lies than truth. But that’d be a judgement on the content of the info, so it shouldn’t count.
@f00l@UncleVinny LOL. Look at you, gettin’ on with your pedantic bad self.
So, does compression count, if we’re talking information density? Is Latin a form of linguistic compression, then? What about Chinese character ideograms? A “zip” file?
Novelty is overrated. People chase it around constantly. It causes a lot of problems. Take some satisfaction in what you have, maybe expend some effort maintaining it. Maybe try meditation.
@mehbee You need to put /giphy or /image or /youtube or /twitter (not sure on the last one). It’s a shorthand to search that site and pick one and put it in your post automagically. Search this site for “mehdown syntax” for the details.
@mehbee I didn’t upload them. The mehdown shortcuts do that. If you want to upload an image on a phone, turn your phone to landscape mode first, then hit reply. Or, check the setting for “desktop mode” in your browser.
@mehbee The shortcuts don’t do anything when you’re editing. After you post, the system processes it. It’s like a command, not an interactive widget. Try it.
@macromeh Mehrocco_Mole Please let us know how the destruction went and how they did that. That story should add entertainment to the forum. Oh and then don’t forget to blame the goat.
@mike808 You can do that yourself when the Nov nomination thread comes up. Anyone can nominate anyone except flask people and those who have already served (well unless they change their user name).
@mike808@kidsandliz I was at one time very active in the whole Scapegoat nomination/voting thing. But then I was accused of cheating. It got mean and nasty. I was accused of double voting using multiple accounts (Like nobody else here has a spouse that participates) I was so butt hurt that it’s been a couple years since I had much of anything to do with the scapegoat.
Besides, if elected I swear I will give you 30 days of extolling the virtues and successes of President Trump.
@mehcuda67 this gave me the creeps. Too lifelike. Turns out it’s a robot that has interchangeable heads for maintenance. Inspection cameras, pressure washing, etc.
@RiotDemon Yeah, it definitely has some of that alien probe thing going from War of the Worlds (Spielberg’s especially). I wish I could borrow one for Halloween.
just another day being behind the curve. I just discovered meh a few months ago, thought it was cool and now somebody comes along and says it’s getting boring. I’m always late to the party. like that time I got into rollerblades … last year. snapchat … just getting into it. I’m gonna go fix up my myspace page.
anyway … here … go read the Voynich Manuscript … I’m ahead of the curve on this one
@coolpillows I was just trying to get some dialog going via a bit of friendly trolling. It probably would be more accurate to say, “This Forum is getting too calm.”
@RiotDemon - remind me if I forget. I took 2 photos of decorated cloth skulls for you I was going to post. @narfcake - I forgot to take one of the skeleton cat shirt for you. Oops. Sorry. Maybe someone on here is near a Buceesi’s or whatever the heck that store is called that has the worlds largest collection of junk food and weird crap (and good gas prices) can take a photo of it. It is in the halloween stuff in the center walkway area. If I was rich I would have bought this stuff for you guys.
You could prove yourselves wrong.
/giphy just saying
Serious question. What would you want more of in the forum?
@RiotDemon It was a serious question. But I wasn’t looking for an answer: I was looking for a response. And that’s what I’d like to see more of. It was getting to the point where the only way to get a real dialog going was to say something like, " Keep America Great" is a great slogan. Going over the many responses I see a lot of off the wall, where the hell did that shit come from. truly surreal stuff.
I’m almost convinced.
/giphy surreal
“Docetism is broadly defined as any teaching that claims that Jesus’ body was either absent or illusory.“
http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/Docetism
@UncleVinny
I can’t really have an opinion on this one, not having been present, and not personally knowing, f2f, anyone who was around for these events.
Also, I generally try not to get involved in “# of angels on the head of a pin” type discussions.
@f00l A sound policy.
Unrelated, and I may have posted it before, but:
Elsewhere Anchises,
Fatherly and intent, was off in a deep green valley
Surveying and reviewing souls consigned there,
Those due to pass to the light of the upper world.
It so happened he was just then taking note
Of his whole posterity, the destinies and doings,
Traits and qualities of descendants dear to him,
But seeing Aeneas come wading through the grass
Towards him, he reached his two hands out
In eager joy, his eyes filled up with tears
And he gave a cry: “At last! Are you here at last?
I always trusted that your sense of right
Would prevail and keep you going to the end.
And am I now allowed to see your face,
My son, and hear you talk, and talk to you myself?
This is what I imagined and looked forward to
As I counted the days; and my trust was not misplaced.
To think of the lands and the outlying seas
You have crossed, my son, to receive this welcome.
And after such dangers! I was afraid that Africa
Might be your undoing.” But Aeneas replied:
“Often and often, father, you would appear to me,
Your sad shade would appear, and that kept me going
To this end. My ships are anchored in the Tuscan sea.
Let me take your hand, my father, O let me, and do not
Hold back from my embrace.” And as he spoke he wept.
Three times he tried to reach arms round that neck.
Three times the form, reached for in vain, escaped
Like a breeze between his hands, a dream on wings.
—from Seamus Heaney’s translation of the Aeneid. It’s all I ever think about, day in and day out
@UncleVinny
I’m impressed.
Can you do that in Latin?
@f00l @UncleVinny what.
@f00l
@f00l PS: Check out how much information density is lost by losing declension!
@UncleVinny
“Information Density” as phrase seems to call out to /giphy
/giphy information density
I wonder if there us an academic discipline that attempts to rigorously define and measure “information density”.
That idea amuses me a little. Because, unless the context of the result is sharply and rigorously limited every time, any answer given is both meaningless and erroneous.
Let’s recover by having some
/giphy absinthe
Re declension
I do seem to remember (hold for edit)
@UncleVinny
Here’s the rest:
Re declension
I do seem to remember (hold for edit)
Am too tired to calculate this. Is info really lost; or is the “missing info” automagically implied by other aspects of English?
I don’t know anything about comparative info utilities within different languages, except for mathematical English vs colloquial English.
And even those differences get all mysterious and squishy and inside-out on close examination.
The universe is full of black holes. Not all of them are within the boundaries of the physical universe(s). Many of them are inherent in language and logic.
“Logic” is such a fucker. You mess with it thinking to make things clear. And in the non-rigorously-examined-sense, often logic does just that.
And then if you really really start to look at it, and how it interacts with language, and what language is or isn’t (as far as we can perceive or understand at present), and what language could possibly be, defined in the sense that will cover the examples of all known and implied languages …:
/giphy oops
Thought I actually knew something, within my teeny brain.
Hah. Damn.
/giphy fuck knowledge
@f00l @UncleVinny
So what might “negative information density” be defined as?
@mike808 @UncleVinny
At present, an authenticated example would be the contents of my poor alleged brain.
As for definitions; I’d have to google.
I’m sure some attentive/obsessive info-measurement jockey has come up with something.
@f00l @mike808
I probably should have said ‘word density’, or some such. But I don’t mind ‘information density’ as a description of the difference between the left and right pages above. Latin really does get essentially the same message across in less space.
I’m guessing that ‘negative information density’ could be something of any length that is more lies than truth. But that’d be a judgement on the content of the info, so it shouldn’t count.
@f00l @UncleVinny LOL. Look at you, gettin’ on with your pedantic bad self.
So, does compression count, if we’re talking information density? Is Latin a form of linguistic compression, then? What about Chinese character ideograms? A “zip” file?
DANCE YOU BITCHES! DANCE!
@therealjrn
/giphy dancing fool
@f00l @therealjrn
https://overcast.fm/+LEiahdxUA
@narfcake
/giphy myth busted
@Barney Who am I to disagree?
@Barney @kc5rbq
I travelled the world and the seven seas,
@Barney @kc5rbq @mike808 Climbing up the top sails, I lost my leg!
@ThomasF
Everybody’s looking for something.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Barney @kc5rbq @mike808 @ThomasF
/youtube Marilyn mansion sweet dreams
@kc5rbq @mike808 @RiotDemon @ThomasF
Noooo!
@Barney @kc5rbq @mike808 @ThomasF just trying to not be boring.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@RiotDemon Keep trying.
@Barney @kc5rbq @RiotDemon @ThomasF
Some of them want to use you, …
@Barney How’s this instead?
/youtube Eurythmics Sweet Dreams are Made of This
@Shrdlu
@ThomasF
Let’s have more NUDITY!
And Dr. Who!
COMBINED.
@aetris Do you have one of these with David Tennant?
@mehbee -
@aetris welll… it has his face so I’ll take it
Wait. This Forum is getting Boring ? How did we manage that? I didn’t even know it was up for sale. That’s exciting news!
@Kidsandliz Woops just noticed I posted the one twice. Here is the one I meant to also post:
You’re boring!
…
Novelty is overrated. People chase it around constantly. It causes a lot of problems. Take some satisfaction in what you have, maybe expend some effort maintaining it. Maybe try meditation.
I find nothing boring about this place but just to participate because I actually can
Keanu Reeves. Boom mic drop
Apparently I don’t get giphy or meme or any of those options on my phone.
@mehbee You need to put /giphy or /image or /youtube or /twitter (not sure on the last one). It’s a shorthand to search that site and pick one and put it in your post automagically. Search this site for “mehdown syntax” for the details.
/giphy keanu reeves
/giphy mic drop
It would be nice to have a /pinterest mehdown as an alternative to /image.
@mike808 lol what’s the context of that?
edit: (the Greta gif, not the Keanu one…)
caption: “oh, Greta - did I mention that I dropped that mic in the porta-potty earlier?”
@DennisG2014 Probably it was a mic for Fox.
@mike808 yeah, I did that, the options come up if I’m on my tablet but not if I’m on my phone.
@mehbee I didn’t upload them. The mehdown shortcuts do that. If you want to upload an image on a phone, turn your phone to landscape mode first, then hit reply. Or, check the setting for “desktop mode” in your browser.
@mike808 the shortcuts don’t work on my phone
@mehbee The shortcuts don’t do anything when you’re editing. After you post, the system processes it. It’s like a command, not an interactive widget. Try it.
/image mediocrebot
What? Not enough cat videos?
A former co-worker once told me of an old proverb in India: “Before the gods destroy you, they make you bored.”
@macromeh Mehrocco_Mole Please let us know how the destruction went and how they did that. That story should add entertainment to the forum. Oh and then don’t forget to blame the goat.
Huh, I just googled this and it turns out it is originally from Virgil’s Aeneid. I guess they read it in India.
@macromeh Yeah, because it’s not like the Romans could have possibly appropriated ideas from other cultures and claimed them as their own.
How 'bout some titties & beer?
@Narfcake
How about nominating @Mehrocco_Mole for scapegoat?
@mike808 You can do that yourself when the Nov nomination thread comes up. Anyone can nominate anyone except flask people and those who have already served (well unless they change their user name).
@Kidsandliz Just putting it out there.
I’m here all week.
Like my ex-wife.
@mike808 No thank you.
@Mehrocco_Mole @mike808 HA! Like you have a choice about being nominated as goat? Just talk to all the ex-goats who tried to weasel out of it.
@Kidsandliz Shhh. Don’t ruin the Halloween “trick” he is about to receive… Or is it a “treat” to be appointed as the Meh scapegoat-of-the-month?
@aetris is the person who keeps telling local news stations that someone will hand out drugs to children on Halloween.
@mediocrebot -
@mike808 @kidsandliz I was at one time very active in the whole Scapegoat nomination/voting thing. But then I was accused of cheating. It got mean and nasty. I was accused of double voting using multiple accounts (Like nobody else here has a spouse that participates) I was so butt hurt that it’s been a couple years since I had much of anything to do with the scapegoat.
Besides, if elected I swear I will give you 30 days of extolling the virtues and successes of President Trump.
@aetris votes for the party you don’t like.
@Kidsandliz @Mehrocco_Mole @mike808 That’s it - I’m nominating you next month!
@Kidsandliz @Mehrocco_Mole @ybmuG
No thanks. We already have Fox News to extoll the virtues and successes of Trump.
@Kidsandliz @mike808 @ybmuG
¯_(ツ)_/¯
@Kidsandliz @mike808 @ybmuG
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Kidsandliz @Mehrocco_Mole @mike808 @ybmuG
/giphy boring machine
@mehcuda67 this gave me the creeps. Too lifelike. Turns out it’s a robot that has interchangeable heads for maintenance. Inspection cameras, pressure washing, etc.
@mehcuda67 @RiotDemon
A friend of GladOS?
/giphy glados
@RiotDemon Yeah, it definitely has some of that alien probe thing going from War of the Worlds (Spielberg’s especially). I wish I could borrow one for Halloween.
/giphy boring machine
/giphy boring machine
QED
just another day being behind the curve. I just discovered meh a few months ago, thought it was cool and now somebody comes along and says it’s getting boring. I’m always late to the party. like that time I got into rollerblades … last year. snapchat … just getting into it. I’m gonna go fix up my myspace page.
anyway … here … go read the Voynich Manuscript … I’m ahead of the curve on this one
@coolpillows Looks to me like you’re making the transition from CompuServe just fine.
@coolpillows I was just trying to get some dialog going via a bit of friendly trolling. It probably would be more accurate to say, “This Forum is getting too calm.”
@coolpillows @Mehrocco_Mole probably doesn’t help that @mfladd has disappeared and @KittySprinkles hasn’t drug him out of his hiding place.
@RiotDemon - remind me if I forget. I took 2 photos of decorated cloth skulls for you I was going to post. @narfcake - I forgot to take one of the skeleton cat shirt for you. Oops. Sorry. Maybe someone on here is near a Buceesi’s or whatever the heck that store is called that has the worlds largest collection of junk food and weird crap (and good gas prices) can take a photo of it. It is in the halloween stuff in the center walkway area. If I was rich I would have bought this stuff for you guys.
I think I love you @mediocrebot
Who is the current community engagement staffer?
@medz That would be the scapegoat. See next post.
@aetris is clown with the tear-away face. Here in a flash and gone without a trace.
@medz is there one?
@RiotDemon You tell me, VolMod Mcgee.
@medz I’m not privy to all the answers.
@medz
@medz
For the bored, listen to some soothing Holloween-themed jazz from …
Saxsquatch
/giphy excitement
/giphy not not bored
