@hchavers@ratman Over here, the name has pretty much been obscured by the fancy restaurants that have appropriated the name. I doubt that the majority of them have ever heard of the beverage that the Finns (and a select few others) enjoy.
@hchavers@ratman I found some excellent ciders in New Zealand; far more of theirs rate that appellation than ours. And if I could get the feijoa stuff from Morningcider here, I would be in serious danger.
@hchavers@ratman@werehatrack The cider is dry hopped, i.e., the hops are added at room temperature during fermentation, imparting the floral notes of the hop and not the bitterness.
Being both a beer and cider -making hobbyist, I can’t believe I’ve never tried that…
@hchavers@macromeh@ratman Even added dry, it is impossible for the hops to not add some bitterness. They just don’t add as much. It’s still an outright atrocity to put them in cider. Most US beers are dry-hopped, for that matter; I’ve watched the hops going into the fermenters often enough. (I don’t drink beer, but For Reasons, I’ve ended up hanging around a brewery or two.)
Even added dry, it is impossible for the hops to not add some bitterness
True, but only a very minor amount.
Most US beers are dry-hopped
Correct, but the bittering hops are added in a separate step during the boil, which is where the vast majority of the bitterness is extracted. Most of the aromatics of the hops are very volatile and are mostly lost during the boil. Thus aromatic hops are added after cooling the wort, during the fermentation and aging stages to impart the more delicate components.
I expect the same would happen for cider.
@Kidsandliz@mlbrink
There are probably some who might add tea to that. Of course, my impression has been that some of the coffee sold here might contribute to not wanting to drink that.
@mlbrink@werehatrack I hate tea, pop, coffee, alcohol and most of the junk food sold here… but then selling ice cream here isn’t practical () and the freeze dried stuff isn’t very good so there is that.
So, no dousing your pecan waffles with swate tay, then? (I swear that some of the “sweet tea” sold in the South is closer to waffle syrup than a beverage.)
@Kidsandliz True enough, good syrup adds flavor without needing to drown the waffle. I was alluding to the apparent propensity for some places to make “sweet tea” with one Lusianne bag per pound of sugar and pint of water.
@chienfou@sicc574 I will have to remember that. There’s a nonzero chance I might go that way next year. I went through Pahrump back in June, but didn’t stop.
I have’nt had wine since like the late 80’s, but I remember I liked Gewurtztraminer. My Uncle introduced it to me when he challenged me to pronounce it correctly. I surprised myself when I just mispronounced the w.
My particular favorite is a late harvest Cab Sauv, but that’s next to impossible to find in the flood of nasty acidic picked-too-green “dry” varieties. Most of the reds have enough tannins to cure leather, and it’s apparently some kind of mortal sin to fail to ferment every last molecule of sugar in a rosé.
@werehatrack The tannins are a big part of why I drink more whites than reds. Call me strange, but I don’t want a wine that is so tannic my cheeks pucker.
With whites, I don’t want a dessert wine, but I don’t want a desert wine, either. (See what I did there? ) I’ve found that asking for a fruity wine gets me something acceptable in reds and more than acceptable in whites. This time of year, I like a nice crisp Riesling that’s not too dry.
@chienfou In my state, only some counties allow sales of wine and beer in grocery stores. The counties that do are limited to one store per grocery or wine chain. I don’t live in one of those counties, so our Trader Joe’s doesn’t sell wine. Very disappointing, although I tend to spend a lot of money when I go there, so it’s probably for the best.
I don’t know if any of the ones in my part of the state sell wine. I’m ~20 minutes from the closest one, but the others are ~45 minutes away, and I’m seldom in their neighborhood, but I should see if any of them sell wine so I can stop by when I’m in the area.
I wanna go to Miami!!
@yakkoTDI
Needs a NJ accent…
@chienfou @yakkoTDI That would make Miami Beach more probable.
Cider
@ratman Upcider has always been my favorite, but hard to find in the states.
@hchavers @ratman Over here, the name has pretty much been obscured by the fancy restaurants that have appropriated the name. I doubt that the majority of them have ever heard of the beverage that the Finns (and a select few others) enjoy.
@ratman @werehatrack The Finns introduced me to Upcider when I was with Nokia (and Salmari too). I have not been able to find a comparable Cider.
@hchavers @ratman I found some excellent ciders in New Zealand; far more of theirs rate that appellation than ours. And if I could get the feijoa stuff from Morningcider here, I would be in serious danger.
@hchavers @ratman And just who was the IPA-besotted idiot who decided that adding hops to cider was a forgivable act?
@hchavers @ratman @werehatrack The cider is dry hopped, i.e., the hops are added at room temperature during fermentation, imparting the floral notes of the hop and not the bitterness.
Being both a beer and cider -making hobbyist, I can’t believe I’ve never tried that…
@hchavers @macromeh @ratman Even added dry, it is impossible for the hops to not add some bitterness. They just don’t add as much. It’s still an outright atrocity to put them in cider. Most US beers are dry-hopped, for that matter; I’ve watched the hops going into the fermenters often enough. (I don’t drink beer, but For Reasons, I’ve ended up hanging around a brewery or two.)
@hchavers @ratman @werehatrack
True, but only a very minor amount.
Correct, but the bittering hops are added in a separate step during the boil, which is where the vast majority of the bitterness is extracted. Most of the aromatics of the hops are very volatile and are mostly lost during the boil. Thus aromatic hops are added after cooling the wort, during the fermentation and aging stages to impart the more delicate components.
I expect the same would happen for cider.
@hchavers @macromeh @ratman For me, hops in a sealed airtight container in the next room is too much.
@hchavers @ratman @werehatrack So, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m beginning to get the impression that you don’t care for hops…
Coffee! Sad that I live in wine country, it’s wasted on me.
@iluvmingos coffee wine? ooh, I have to try that.
whisky
Riesling, from the upper Rhine region in Bavaria.
@hchavers Can you be more specific?
Kabinett
Spätlese
Auslese
Beerenauslese
Trockenbeerenauslese
Eiswein
You know there are people who are on this website who don’t drink alcohol or coffee. There are literally dozens of us.
@mlbrink yes
@Kidsandliz @mlbrink Why do you think they offer vacuums.
@Kidsandliz @mlbrink
There are probably some who might add tea to that. Of course, my impression has been that some of the coffee sold here might contribute to not wanting to drink that.
@mlbrink @werehatrack I hate tea, pop, coffee, alcohol and most of the junk food sold here… but then selling ice cream here isn’t practical (
) and the freeze dried stuff isn’t very good so there is that.
@Kidsandliz
So, no dousing your pecan waffles with swate tay, then? (I swear that some of the “sweet tea” sold in the South is closer to waffle syrup than a beverage.)
@werehatrack Umm no. And why would I want soggy waffles?
Oh how easily we become offended…
So come back another day. You’ll live…
@Kidsandliz True enough, good syrup adds flavor without needing to drown the waffle. I was alluding to the apparent propensity for some places to make “sweet tea” with one Lusianne bag per pound of sugar and pint of water.
@Kidsandliz @werehatrack
Good old Southern diet sweet tea.
I’ll stick with a mead that is a bit on the dry side for autumn.
@sicc574
If you ever travel from death valley to Las Vegas there is a very nice meadery called Stonewise in Pahrump NV.
Stonewise.Com
@chienfou @sicc574 I will have to remember that. There’s a nonzero chance I might go that way next year. I went through Pahrump back in June, but didn’t stop.
Anything semi-sweet
Send me one of each and I’ll find out.
I have’nt had wine since like the late 80’s, but I remember I liked Gewurtztraminer. My Uncle introduced it to me when he challenged me to pronounce it correctly. I surprised myself when I just mispronounced the w.
My particular favorite is a late harvest Cab Sauv, but that’s next to impossible to find in the flood of nasty acidic picked-too-green “dry” varieties. Most of the reds have enough tannins to cure leather, and it’s apparently some kind of mortal sin to fail to ferment every last molecule of sugar in a rosé.
@werehatrack The tannins are a big part of why I drink more whites than reds. Call me strange, but I don’t want a wine that is so tannic my cheeks pucker.
With whites, I don’t want a dessert wine, but I don’t want a desert wine, either. (See what I did there?
) I’ve found that asking for a fruity wine gets me something acceptable in reds and more than acceptable in whites. This time of year, I like a nice crisp Riesling that’s not too dry.
Valpollicella Ripasso (DOC) or Amerone.Trader Joe’s carries some very nice ones …
@chienfou In my state, only some counties allow sales of wine and beer in grocery stores. The counties that do are limited to one store per grocery or wine chain. I don’t live in one of those counties, so our Trader Joe’s doesn’t sell wine. Very disappointing, although I tend to spend a lot of money when I go there, so it’s probably for the best.
@lisagd
My closest TJ’s is between 90 and 125 miles depending on if I go northeast or NNW. Anytime I’m in those areas we stop by and stock up on wine
I won’t whine about not drinking alcohol… I do like OJ though. That would be the pure, made from oranges, nothing added to it variety.
I don’t know if any of the ones in my part of the state sell wine. I’m ~20 minutes from the closest one, but the others are ~45 minutes away, and I’m seldom in their neighborhood, but I should see if any of them sell wine so I can stop by when I’m in the area.
@lisagd Utah?
@werehatrack Maryland
Syrah.
I nice pumpkin rose’