Inb4 @Thumperchick writes how she’s posting before anyone posts that they don’t use Facebook and that they think they’re better than the people who do.
I will post pro-“candidate” comments on relevant threads, but I try not to get into arguments or mudslinging. It never ends well. The closest I will go is to say I will not vote for such-and-such candidate. I used to try to debate and educate people, but I finally learned that people revel in their ignorance and nothing I write will change that.
There are basically three kinds of people, politically speaking.
Those who agree with you.
Those who disagree.
And those who are undecided.
Those who agree with you cant vote twice (except in Florida or Chicago), so political speech aimed there is a waste.
Those who disagree will very rarely be moved by a simple social media post, so, again, wasting time.
And in my personal experience, maybe 90% of the time, undecideds are actually pushed to the other side by our feeble attempts to win them over. It’s the lesser of two evils syndrome, where the politically passionate scare folks to the other side.
So it’s more than just a little crazy to spend any amount of time in this endeavor. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging, right?
@PurplePawprints
"Revel in ignorance"? That’s what we all tend to believe about those who disagree with us politically.
The problem with any sort of political reasoning, or economic, or strategic reasoning, is that all of it - the source data and facts, the founding assumptions, the evidence weighting, the intellectual strategies, the chain of evidence and what passes for logic in politics - all are fragile, ad hoc, incomplete, not rigorous, and our choices reveal our biases.
This is true at the highest levels of research and thought in top universities, where they have not yet achieved any near approach to objectivity, and also cannot escape their own limits and biases, tho over time there can be some progress; it’s certainly going to be true on facebook.
Which is one of the reasons i stay out of those conversations.
@f00l That was kind of my point though and why I specifically avoided mentioning names, because no matter which side we’re on, we think the other side must be some kind of stupid for not seeing that our side is the only obvious choice.
If the VERY few people that I’m connected to on FB start up with politics, I ignore it. The only people I’m connected to are relatives I care about (I don’t care about all my relatives, but some of them are very nice people). I’m all grown up. I can ignore it.
I have a cousin-by-marriage who is a professor at an east coast ivy league college. She thinks anyone who identifies as politically conservative is brain dead. The current POTUS doesn’t get his feet wet when he walks across the Potomac. Hillery is the final answer to all this countries woes. I love posting stuff like this on her page:
@matthew@PocketBrain@Thumperchick Both unintentional and my fault. (I admitted fault. Proof positive I’m neither Democrat nor Republican)
Although I do sometimes use redneck grammer (sic) when I bait, I mean debate her.
@Hair_in_a_can So what you are saying is, anyone who talks politics on facebook is actually right in that all those insane people on facebook are going to create lots and lots of drama. TL;DR: There is plenty of drama happening on facebook.
“Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is ‘never get involved in a land war in Asia’ - but only slightly less well-known is this: ‘Never start a discussion of politics on Facebook when common sense is on the line!’ Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!”
I am lucky enough to be sandwiched between radical fans of Bernie Sanders and supporters of Donald Trump on my Facebook due to the subculture I belong to. I happen to disagree on some things with both parties, but I also respect both parties for their convictions. Even luckier for me is that both camps hate Hillary with passion, which I also do. My own political opinions, however, are so outlandish, that I prefer to keep them to myself.
I think it’s important to try to wedge in some political discussion on the most used social media platform. What affect it has on those with opposing viewpoints is questionable, but I’ve had some discussions that have ended in, at the very least, a mutual appreciation of the debate.
I don’t use Facebook and do not expect I ever will. Being subjected to the political eructations of the denizens of that place doesn’t exactly fill me with a desire to join.
Re: forum topic
Wow, mediocrebot really is an asshole. Lit that fire and just sauntered away. Well, rolled. On, I would imagine, treads. It has those tiny tank treads like bomb squad robots, right?
While it generally drives me insane, I’m always shocked by one or two people whose political leaning I’m not familiar with. Occasionally someone who I thought had more common sense will post something ridiculous, thus knocking down my opinion of them a few notches. The current group that’s driving me insane are the seriously die hard Bernie bros. Love him, like him, hate him, whatever your opinion, it’s time to admit the race is over. The people that just won’t give up and swear he’s going to make a comeback should probably consider therapy.
I’ve unfriended people on FB if I don’t feel comfortable sharing my political views around them (friends of the boyfriend, for example). I think your views are part of your identity and I don’t see the need to keep hushed politically.
I used to get into facebook political debates, but doing so just eroded my respect for some friends so I don’t do it very often anymore. I have pretty much come to the conclusion that most people don’t think critically about their political positions and REALLY don’t want to. They have their preconceived notions and even knowingly lying to people is an ends justifying the means sort of situation.
I have seen it from every political affiliation too, though more from some than others. Intellectual dishonesty is more common than not it seems.
@jacksterp A decade or so ago, I asked a teen of my acquaintance how they (teens, young adults) knew when it was time to move on from a social site. He paused for a bit then said something like: “When your grandmother signs up and shows your baby pictures to all of your friends, it’s over.”
@rockblossom I heard the same thing a decade ago… but I am guessing that teens are still using FB or are they?
I don’t know any teens/tweens/young adults - but they seem to be using everything on whatever smart phone they have. FB, YT, Tweet, and all the messenger services (and I am sure there are many others out there).
@fjp999 Being one of the old, old oldies - I can’t really say. They seem to use different sites for different things. Instagram and Snapchat, possibly Twitter and whatever the “new thing” is today, to talk to peers and friends. Facebook is mostly for family.
Talking politics would be a welcomed change from idiots sharing/re-posting stupid pictures with captions that try to make some sort of political point. Usually these are factually incorrect or just don’t make any sense.
/giphy make it stop
No politics on FB. Almost no FB at all. The only usage I have is friends/family photo sharing, and checking announcements & events for Ultimate Frisbee leagues & pickup
/giphy ultimate frisbee
So just today a ‘friend’ posted something ridiculous and I called her out on it. A typical hyper-conservative website twisting of someone’s comment. When I posted the entire comment and she could see it in it’s actual context, she got upset and overly defensive. It resulted in one less ‘friend’ of which I barely knew and certainly didn’t need. Ironically, several more friends of hers also backed me up and put her in her place. I logged back into Facebook under a different account later on and her original post was deleted. I love when people can’t admit they’re wrong, instead deleting their comment like they never made it in the first place.
Inb4 @Thumperchick writes how she’s posting before anyone posts that they don’t use Facebook and that they think they’re better than the people who do.
(Or something like that…)
I will post pro-“candidate” comments on relevant threads, but I try not to get into arguments or mudslinging. It never ends well. The closest I will go is to say I will not vote for such-and-such candidate. I used to try to debate and educate people, but I finally learned that people revel in their ignorance and nothing I write will change that.
There are basically three kinds of people, politically speaking.
Those who agree with you.
Those who disagree.
And those who are undecided.
Those who agree with you cant vote twice (except in Florida or Chicago), so political speech aimed there is a waste.
Those who disagree will very rarely be moved by a simple social media post, so, again, wasting time.
And in my personal experience, maybe 90% of the time, undecideds are actually pushed to the other side by our feeble attempts to win them over. It’s the lesser of two evils syndrome, where the politically passionate scare folks to the other side.
So it’s more than just a little crazy to spend any amount of time in this endeavor. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging, right?
@PurplePawprints
"Revel in ignorance"? That’s what we all tend to believe about those who disagree with us politically.
The problem with any sort of political reasoning, or economic, or strategic reasoning, is that all of it - the source data and facts, the founding assumptions, the evidence weighting, the intellectual strategies, the chain of evidence and what passes for logic in politics - all are fragile, ad hoc, incomplete, not rigorous, and our choices reveal our biases.
This is true at the highest levels of research and thought in top universities, where they have not yet achieved any near approach to objectivity, and also cannot escape their own limits and biases, tho over time there can be some progress; it’s certainly going to be true on facebook.
Which is one of the reasons i stay out of those conversations.
@f00l That was kind of my point though and why I specifically avoided mentioning names, because no matter which side we’re on, we think the other side must be some kind of stupid for not seeing that our side is the only obvious choice.
If the VERY few people that I’m connected to on FB start up with politics, I ignore it. The only people I’m connected to are relatives I care about (I don’t care about all my relatives, but some of them are very nice people). I’m all grown up. I can ignore it.
I have a cousin-by-marriage who is a professor at an east coast ivy league college. She thinks anyone who identifies as politically conservative is brain dead. The current POTUS doesn’t get his feet wet when he walks across the Potomac. Hillery is the final answer to all this countries woes. I love posting stuff like this on her page:
@Mehrocco_Mole
You realize, though, that by out-crazying her, you’re actually working for the other team, yeah?
Left vs Right is a battle of wits between unarmed opponents. Both sides are they’re own worst enemy.
@MehnofLaMehncha But it’s so much fun!
@Mehrocco_Mole You misspelled Hillary there, professor.
@PocketBrain I think that’s done on purpose, to annoy Hillary supporters.
In the same sentence, “countries woes” is deliberate trolling of grammar supporters
@Thumperchick oh, like the Drumpf thing.
@matthew @PocketBrain @Thumperchick Both unintentional and my fault. (I admitted fault. Proof positive I’m neither Democrat nor Republican)
Although I do sometimes use redneck grammer (sic) when I bait, I mean debate her.
Anyone who talks politics Facebook is brain dead if they think people will respond and cause drama, because absolutely no sane person uses Facebook.
@Hair_in_a_can
Facebook is like we never left high school
Problem is, most of American never left high school
@Hair_in_a_can So what you are saying is, anyone who talks politics on facebook is actually right in that all those insane people on facebook are going to create lots and lots of drama. TL;DR: There is plenty of drama happening on facebook.
@PocketBrain I see nothing wrong with your reply
I’ve been in this internet game long enough to know better than to start up a poli-sci conversation on the ole’ Facebook.
@vanslaterco
@duodec y’all can go home now, duodec won the discussion thread.
What’s today’s daily deal again?
@MehnofLaMehncha
/giphy daily deal
I am lucky enough to be sandwiched between radical fans of Bernie Sanders and supporters of Donald Trump on my Facebook due to the subculture I belong to. I happen to disagree on some things with both parties, but I also respect both parties for their convictions. Even luckier for me is that both camps hate Hillary with passion, which I also do. My own political opinions, however, are so outlandish, that I prefer to keep them to myself.
I think it’s important to try to wedge in some political discussion on the most used social media platform. What affect it has on those with opposing viewpoints is questionable, but I’ve had some discussions that have ended in, at the very least, a mutual appreciation of the debate.
Just to make fun of trump. Not politically really, just pointing out his bloviating fuck trumpetness.
I don’t use Facebook and do not expect I ever will. Being subjected to the political eructations of the denizens of that place doesn’t exactly fill me with a desire to join.
I’M SHORTSIGHTED
Re: forum topic
Wow, mediocrebot really is an asshole. Lit that fire and just sauntered away. Well, rolled. On, I would imagine, treads. It has those tiny tank treads like bomb squad robots, right?
While it generally drives me insane, I’m always shocked by one or two people whose political leaning I’m not familiar with. Occasionally someone who I thought had more common sense will post something ridiculous, thus knocking down my opinion of them a few notches. The current group that’s driving me insane are the seriously die hard Bernie bros. Love him, like him, hate him, whatever your opinion, it’s time to admit the race is over. The people that just won’t give up and swear he’s going to make a comeback should probably consider therapy.
I’ve unfriended people on FB if I don’t feel comfortable sharing my political views around them (friends of the boyfriend, for example). I think your views are part of your identity and I don’t see the need to keep hushed politically.
I used to get into facebook political debates, but doing so just eroded my respect for some friends so I don’t do it very often anymore. I have pretty much come to the conclusion that most people don’t think critically about their political positions and REALLY don’t want to. They have their preconceived notions and even knowingly lying to people is an ends justifying the means sort of situation.
I have seen it from every political affiliation too, though more from some than others. Intellectual dishonesty is more common than not it seems.
It’s 2016 - facebook is so…yesterday
@jacksterp A decade or so ago, I asked a teen of my acquaintance how they (teens, young adults) knew when it was time to move on from a social site. He paused for a bit then said something like: “When your grandmother signs up and shows your baby pictures to all of your friends, it’s over.”
Facebook is SO over.
@rockblossom I heard the same thing a decade ago… but I am guessing that teens are still using FB or are they?
I don’t know any teens/tweens/young adults - but they seem to be using everything on whatever smart phone they have. FB, YT, Tweet, and all the messenger services (and I am sure there are many others out there).
@fjp999 Being one of the old, old oldies - I can’t really say. They seem to use different sites for different things. Instagram and Snapchat, possibly Twitter and whatever the “new thing” is today, to talk to peers and friends. Facebook is mostly for family.
Talking politics would be a welcomed change from idiots sharing/re-posting stupid pictures with captions that try to make some sort of political point. Usually these are factually incorrect or just don’t make any sense.
/giphy make it stop
No politics on FB. Almost no FB at all. The only usage I have is friends/family photo sharing, and checking announcements & events for Ultimate Frisbee leagues & pickup
/giphy ultimate frisbee
I am @RedHot, I do not use/have Facebook, I am better than you.
So just today a ‘friend’ posted something ridiculous and I called her out on it. A typical hyper-conservative website twisting of someone’s comment. When I posted the entire comment and she could see it in it’s actual context, she got upset and overly defensive. It resulted in one less ‘friend’ of which I barely knew and certainly didn’t need. Ironically, several more friends of hers also backed me up and put her in her place. I logged back into Facebook under a different account later on and her original post was deleted. I love when people can’t admit they’re wrong, instead deleting their comment like they never made it in the first place.
Just gonna leave this here…
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/12/why-do-we-cling-to-beliefs-when-theyre-threatened-by-facts/
Friends don’t let (real) Friends use Facebook