@marklog Your QB situation is garbage. I need an upgrade at RB. Your RB is suspended for a few games. I gave you a starting RB and a far better starting QB. Get your finger out of your dog before you start talking trash.
@marklog Well that wouldn't make it worth on my end since he isn't a starter, now would it? I'm giving you a starting QB and a starting RB for a suspended started RB and a back up QB that will only play 1 game for me. You get 15 games out of the QB and RB each. I get 15 games total out of the 2 players I take from you.
@MEHcus Your math would make sense if all players were equal. Crowell is barely a starter. I'm deep enough to where Bell's two game timeout isn't going to hurt me that much.
@marklog But your QB's are terrible. A rookie on a very bad team and any QB that starts for the Skins. Really we'd be trading a QB for a RB. Both quality starters. But I lose 2 games on my end of the deal. And, like you said, you've got the RB depth to absorb it. Plus Cleveland has one of the best OL's in the league which should give him tons of touches.
@MEHcus I think Mariota is going to step up, and PPR let's me not gaf so much at that slot. That being said, I can see upgrading at least one of them. Still, I can't let Bell go without something more yummy.
@marklog I just never trust in a rookie QB, especially one on a very bad team without any real help around him. I think it's a pretty fair trade honestly but make a new proposal if you don't like what I sent, but Bell has to be involved.
@MEHcus I can see from @marklog side why he see's this as ridiculous. He values Mariota higher than Rivers based on the fact he chose him while Rivers was still on the board. So basically you are trading a backup QB to him.
Bell vs Crowell isn't even close. After week 3 Bell (missing the first two weeks) could have more fantasy points than Crowell does playing in the first 3 games.
@MrMark Yeah don't get me wrong, I definitely get his point - though I clearly disagree with valuing Mariota that highly.
I will also say that I initially thought Bell's suspension was 4 games and not 2. Either way, I stand by the trade. Mariota/Cousins will be garbage in my opinion and that could end up being @marklog's down fall in the league.
@xEBRONx Bell is a #1 pick if he isn't suspended, but he keeps getting in trouble. Crowell was gone in 6-7 I think because of how weak the RB crop is as a whole right now. Rivers has consistently been a top tier fantasy QB, maybe not the best game QB, but always solid in fantasy. Especially when compared to Mariota and Cousins.
Hey, this is new. I like it. Trade talk already? I like that even better. @MEHcus do you think @marklog grew up on a goat farm? Seriously - that is what you are offering for Le'Veon Bell? Anyway, nice try and thanks for playing I want to stick my finger in @marklog's ass.
@mfladd I still don't think it's that shitty. It may be because I am incredibly biased against Mariota and Cousins (rightfully so if you look at projections.). But I think that giving up a legit starting QB for a legit starting RB is pretty damn even
@MEHcus personally, I would never take this deal. To early to speculate. But you are asking for what was considered by many the #1 Draft Pick even with a 2 game suspension.
That being said this is fantasy - and fantasy is trash talking! Which I love.
@marklog Your faith in your quarterback is as profound as any religious act I have ever witnessed. If that guy comes through for you I may have to change from one religion I don't believe in, to another religion I don't believe in.
Cousins is projected at 134 points, Bell at 211, for a total of 345 points. Rivers is projected at 266 points, Crowell at 166, for a total of 432 points.
Again, I don't think the trade value is all that bad considering you'd get the higher total value.
@MEHcus Yea but you can't start both Rivers and Mariota. So basically you would expect him to place Rivers as the starter. So he is replacing Mariota @ 228 with Rivers @ 266 (+38) Replacing Bell @ 211 for Crowell @ 166 (-45) net -7 points.
You have Romo as your starter so +0 change for your QB (since Cousins would be benched). You are replacing Crowell with Bell so +38 for RBs. Total +38.
So overall he hurts himself some and greatly helps an opponent. Why would he want that?
@MEHcus. If you use Mariota's 1st half stats to forecast the rest of the season, he is going to put up 128 TDs this season. Good thing for @marklog refused that trade...and you thought this was fair. 128 TDs! :)
@marklog Your QB situation is garbage. I need an upgrade at RB. Your RB is suspended for a few games. I gave you a starting RB and a far better starting QB. Get your finger out of your dog before you start talking trash.
@mehcus it's ok, I can multitask. Sproles instead of Bell and you've got yourself a trade.
@marklog Well that wouldn't make it worth on my end since he isn't a starter, now would it? I'm giving you a starting QB and a starting RB for a suspended started RB and a back up QB that will only play 1 game for me. You get 15 games out of the QB and RB each. I get 15 games total out of the 2 players I take from you.
@MEHcus Your math would make sense if all players were equal. Crowell is barely a starter. I'm deep enough to where Bell's two game timeout isn't going to hurt me that much.
@marklog But your QB's are terrible. A rookie on a very bad team and any QB that starts for the Skins. Really we'd be trading a QB for a RB. Both quality starters. But I lose 2 games on my end of the deal. And, like you said, you've got the RB depth to absorb it. Plus Cleveland has one of the best OL's in the league which should give him tons of touches.
@MEHcus I think Mariota is going to step up, and PPR let's me not gaf so much at that slot. That being said, I can see upgrading at least one of them. Still, I can't let Bell go without something more yummy.
@marklog I just never trust in a rookie QB, especially one on a very bad team without any real help around him. I think it's a pretty fair trade honestly but make a new proposal if you don't like what I sent, but Bell has to be involved.
@MEHcus I can see from @marklog side why he see's this as ridiculous. He values Mariota higher than Rivers based on the fact he chose him while Rivers was still on the board. So basically you are trading a backup QB to him.
Bell vs Crowell isn't even close. After week 3 Bell (missing the first two weeks) could have more fantasy points than Crowell does playing in the first 3 games.
@MrMark Yeah don't get me wrong, I definitely get his point - though I clearly disagree with valuing Mariota that highly.
I will also say that I initially thought Bell's suspension was 4 games and not 2. Either way, I stand by the trade. Mariota/Cousins will be garbage in my opinion and that could end up being @marklog's down fall in the league.
@MEHcus
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Bell is the #1 pick. You can grab Rivers and Crowell after round 8
@xEBRONx I understand that, and believe me so does @mehcus. :)
@xEBRONx Bell is a #1 pick if he isn't suspended, but he keeps getting in trouble. Crowell was gone in 6-7 I think because of how weak the RB crop is as a whole right now. Rivers has consistently been a top tier fantasy QB, maybe not the best game QB, but always solid in fantasy. Especially when compared to Mariota and Cousins.
I don't know anything about your league, but I certainly just won my draft.
Hey, this is new. I like it. Trade talk already? I like that even better. @MEHcus do you think @marklog grew up on a goat farm? Seriously - that is what you are offering for Le'Veon Bell? Anyway, nice try and thanks for playing I want to stick my finger in @marklog's ass.
@mfladd You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
@MEHcus
@mfladd I still don't think it's that shitty. It may be because I am incredibly biased against Mariota and Cousins (rightfully so if you look at projections.). But I think that giving up a legit starting QB for a legit starting RB is pretty damn even
@mfladd I read that as "Anyway, nice try and thanks for playing. I want to stick my finger in @marklog's ass."
@MEHcus personally, I would never take this deal. To early to speculate. But you are asking for what was considered by many the #1 Draft Pick even with a 2 game suspension.
That being said this is fantasy - and fantasy is trash talking! Which I love.
@christinewas i also wondered why @mfladd wanted to play this game. Commas. Important.
@marklog , "blah blah blah" better?
@mfladd yes. way better because it doesn't involve digital rectal insertion by you.
@marklog Your faith in your quarterback is as profound as any religious act I have ever witnessed. If that guy comes through for you I may have to change from one religion I don't believe in, to another religion I don't believe in.
@Teripie I can be talked out of keeping one mediocre and one unproven QB, but not at a ridiculous price.
@marklog @xEBRONx @mfladd @MrMark just to put some actual numbers to this I did some quick number crunching based off of ESPN projections for everyone involved in the trade.
Cousins is projected at 134 points, Bell at 211, for a total of 345 points.
Rivers is projected at 266 points, Crowell at 166, for a total of 432 points.
Again, I don't think the trade value is all that bad considering you'd get the higher total value.
@MEHcus
@MEHcus given your maths, I just wouldn't feel right taking advantage of you.
@marklog That's alright. Hit me up in a week when Cousins gets dinged up from a terrible o-line and Mariota does what rookie QBs do.
@MEHcus Yea but you can't start both Rivers and Mariota. So basically you would expect him to place Rivers as the starter. So he is replacing Mariota @ 228 with Rivers @ 266 (+38) Replacing Bell @ 211 for Crowell @ 166 (-45) net -7 points.
You have Romo as your starter so +0 change for your QB (since Cousins would be benched). You are replacing Crowell with Bell so +38 for RBs. Total +38.
So overall he hurts himself some and greatly helps an opponent. Why would he want that?
@MrMark I like you. Now I know why. It's the smarts.
@marklog @MEHcus @MrMark Too damn many Marks in this thread and in this league!
Who has Matt Schaub? Would you trade him for DeMarco Murray?
@capguncowboy this isn't craigslist, go post a trade
@MEHcus. If you use Mariota's 1st half stats to forecast the rest of the season, he is going to put up 128 TDs this season. Good thing for @marklog refused that trade...and you thought this was fair. 128 TDs! :)
@Mrmark and if you extrapolate Jameis Winston:s first pass statistics he will only throw pic 6s all year. I love numbers!