Streaming network shows (retired)

lisaviolet thought this was worth mentioning said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 5:30pm ET

How do you suppose they decide when to make old shows available to streaming services so their customers can watch them for free?

I really want to watch Castle, but I’m not going to pay for it. Or Mr. Mercedes (which was a streaming show to begin with)?

Castle’s been off the air for a while now, what’s the hold up for us cheap bastards?

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Ignorant said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 5:52pm ET:

With all the studios creating their own paid streaming platforms I don’t think much stuff going forward will be released to any neutral streaming service.

ABC stuff will go to Hulu or Disney +, NBC stuff will go to Peacock, etc

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tinamarie1974 said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 6:09pm ET:

I feel the same way about Northern Exposure. No one has it

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- @tinamarie1974 THIS!!! And have you looked at the prices for the DVD set? Inconceivable!
  
  ruouttaurmind said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 7:25pm ET
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- @ruouttaurmind it is utterly ridiculous. I don’t get it.
  
  tinamarie1974 said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 7:45pm ET
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- @tinamarie1974 Huh. Look what I just found. Apparently the complete series set was re-released at the end of July.
  
  ruouttaurmind said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 8:10pm ET
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- @ruouttaurmind says it does not include the original music. Kinda odd, right?
  
  tinamarie1974 said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 8:47pm ET
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- @ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974
  that’s what happened to Tour of Duty and it wasn’t the same without the orinigal soundtrack music…
  
  chienfou said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 9:08pm ET
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- @chienfou @ruouttaurmind that is what I was thinking.
  
  tinamarie1974 said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 9:30pm ET
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- @ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974
  
  Getting the Blu-Ray, streaming, or broadcast rights in perpetuity to the original music and other archival media can be diificult and expensive.
  
  Eyes On The Prize is a famous archival footage and archival photo documentary series about the Civil Rights movement of the 50’s-60’s. The filmmakers also used (with permission) a lot of music from the era.
  
  Later re-release was held up for more than a decade, due to use rights to some of the music and other archival material having expired. Re-negotiation leading to renewed broadcast and home use availability for the series required teams of lawyers.
  
  f00l said Wed, Sep 23rd 2020 at 9:56pm ET
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- @f00l @ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974 Of course, the most tragic example of all is WKRP in Cincinnati. Les Nessman putting on a wig should only, and forever, be accompanied by Foreigner’s Hot Blooded.
  
  mossygreen said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 12:30am ET
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- @f00l @mossygreen @ruouttaurmind oh I use to love that show!!!
  
  tinamarie1974 said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 9:41am ET
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- @ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974 someone gave me one of the Northern Exposure DVDs once and I remember it came (the dvd Box) with a little actual orange puffy vest zipped onto it
  
  moonhat said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 11:27am ET
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- @moonhat This one?
  
  This one is fun too. The complete series set and included a suede shoulder bag.
  
  ruouttaurmind said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 11:52am ET
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- @ruouttaurmind yes exactly! That’s fun stuff
  
  moonhat said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 12:19pm ET
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- @ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974 That started a life long love of trebuchets.
  
  blaineg said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 9:43pm ET
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- @blaineg The weekend after that episode aired I was in the garage welding up my own home brew trebuchet. The tower support was 4 feet high and the swing arm was 6 feet long. Counterweighted with 110 pounds of old vinyl weighs, it tossed an 8 pound watermelon 87 yards.
  
  The biggest challenge I struggled with was getting the payload sling to release smoothly from the hook. 8 out of 10 throws would release late and the payload would splat into the ground 10 feet in front of the treb. Never got the bugs worked out. But for the 2 in 10 which did release correctly… man, that was a thrill!
  
  ruouttaurmind said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 10:24pm ET
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- @ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974 “Well, life ain’t all just beer and roses.”
  
  G1 said Fri, Sep 25th 2020 at 12:16am ET
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KENSAI said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 9:33am ET:

Glad I’m not the only one who was sad watching Tour of Duty without the original music. It all comes down to money and music licensing. Can’t blame them, the market for buying Tour of Duty on DVD wouldn’t have pay for music from The Rolling Stones, Hendrix, etc.

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- @KENSAI Every once in awhile when the broadcast movie channel shows Shampoo I watch it and am amazed once more that they were able to use Beatles songs, even in 1975. Even just in the background during a party scene. Scratch that–especially just in the background during a party scene.
  
  mossygreen said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 12:34pm ET
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- @KENSAI that was one of my all time show favs. The cast and writing were amazing and the music was epic.
  
  chienfou said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 9:15pm ET
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- @KENSAI Yeah, um, not only does it not start off with Paint It Black, it starts with some crap some synthesizer schmoe came up with in their basement in two hours or less.
  
  It’s not quite the same.
  
  stinks said Fri, Sep 25th 2020 at 12:20am ET
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chienfou said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 9:20pm ET:

Too bad there isn’t a licensing model that would allow old shows to be able to retain the music they had been permitted to use originally, but still have a payment mechanism for the continued use of said music in later incarnations.

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- @chienfou sadly even the first run DVDs of recent shows often have to change music…sometimes even for the syndicated re-runs…
  I remember several in the run of Buffy(no specifics that I can nail down)… but the most maddening to me, personally, was a short lived(less than 1 season) WB show from the early 2000’s “Birds of Prey”
  This Video ( the beginning of the first ep) sets it up so much better than i could:
  
  the Theme song is clear in my head…
  
  and the Dvd’s use a completely different song, likely an original for the release… I’ve had to mute the opening scroll when i’ve watched it’s that infuriating of a change…
  
  earlyre said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 10:16pm ET
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earlyre said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 9:49pm ET:

@lisaviolet…if…by chance you are within a “reasonable” drive of zip 45807, I have the full run of castle on DVD, and most if not all of the accompanying books…( the Nikki Heat Novels, and Derek Storm Comics)

I’d be willing to loan them out…

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- @earlyre Aw, thank you. We’re about thirty miles from the California/Mexico border.
  
  Too far to drive. I appreciate the offer.
  
  lisaviolet said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 9:51pm ET
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- @lisaviolet very much too far…
  …no worries though…
  
  earlyre said Thu, Sep 24th 2020 at 10:18pm ET
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Cerridwyn said Fri, Sep 25th 2020 at 8:53am ET:

Stuff will release when the services feel they will profit from it.
Example, Discovery season 3 is releasing on CBS+. with the delays in other ST properties, CBS is releasing season 1 only to broadcast. The goal I am sure is to get peeps to pay to watch the other seasons.

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