@awk My brother bought some Phillips fluorescent LED replacements at 4100K. He was so proud of his purchase but I bought some cheap generic 5000K and he thought his was just as white. So he made me go to Lowes to buy the same 4100K as his and display them both side by side. He was shocked at the difference and no longer likes his 4100K and ended up replacing them all with the 5000K bulbs. Many people don’t realize the difference unless you see them side by side.
@awk Are you going to be yelling at the kids to get off your lawn next? Just kidding. It’s amazing how much I’ve turned into my father. It is nice to use lights that only use 6W instead of 60W per bulb and it make a difference. I’ve got to replace my hot water heater with an inline heater and my electric bill will be less catastrophic.
@cengland0 meh, I have 5k bulbs in a couple areas (closets, outside, kitchen) where color matters but I prefer “cool white” or “dingy yellow” as someone put it in my main living areas. I get blasted with high temp light all day at work, I prefer the calmer light when I’m at home. Plenty of market for bulbs in these temperatures, nothing to do with technology allowing higher temp lighting.
@wew There were many different versions of that chart that had the yellow and blue spots in different parts of the spectrum so I picked the chart that best fits with my experience.
Regarding being relevant to LEDs, it doesn’t matter. Color temperature is color temperature regardless of the source. The sun produces color temperatures, LEDs produce it, fluorescent bulbs produce it, and incandescent bulbs produce it.
To know how yellow or blue your “white” light is regardless of source, you get the color temperature spec and you can tell without having to turn it on.
@cengland0 As shown in the chart, it is considered warm, not yellow… and cool, not blue… but yes essentially those spectrums have more of those colors in them, depending on which one. I, for one, prefer warm because it more closely emulates an incandescent. The cool lights are easier to produce in LED and more widely available, due to the phosphor content. BUT… the cool/bluish light has been linked to health problems like depression and insomnia… and IMHO is very sterile and harsh looking. I think this is also personal preference.
@cengland0 5500-6500k is wayyy too cool for a regular living space unless you like the feeling of living in a sterile laboratory. Matching the color of the light produced by the sun is not a technological problem, it just looks lousy in a bedroom or livingroom at night.
@stoopkid I prefer 3000K. I have a bunch of 3000K LED PAR16 that replaced halogen, and I left some of the halogen in place with the LED and the color was identical. I like 4,000K in the garage and over the workbench. I also have some 2,200K filament LEDs in some locations. That light is definitely yellow. I like 5,000K for headlights.
@KDemo That brought back a memory (lit up some neuron). I recall going to Detroit Edison with my dad to exchange light bulbs. You’d bring in burned out bulbs and they would give you new bulbs in exchange. (Circa 1950)
I got a refurbed first gen hub and two older bulbs from meh a few months ago. It’s a fun toy.
So far one bulb has been in my front porch light since I got it, and it’s still working, even though it’s not an outdoor light.
Geofencing using IFTTT doesn’t work well. I think it’s because, to save power, my phone shuts off location services while it’s at rest, because every time I pick up my phone at home it thinks I’ve just entered the area and turns the light on.
So I’ve just got it running on schedule, and I can tell Google Assisting to turn it on and off and adjust the brightness. That’s pretty cool from my phone.
I’d like to have one of the color bulb, but the cheapest is $45 at Wally World, and I don’t want to spend that much.
@cengland0 The app works with my Note5. I don’t use it, though, because I linked it to Google Assistant, and I just say “OK, Google. Turn on the front porch light” or “OK, Google. Set the front porch light to 100%”.
@cengland0 Yes. Millenials: Where product engineering meets short attention span theatre.
Wait until you see the new "transformed " FDA approval process: Get 10,000 likes on Facebook and your drug gets fast-tracked to over-the-counter crowdsourced medical research. No more waiting for all that safety testing and stuff.
@craigthom I actually assumed it would but the specs list phones and tablets it is compatible with. Probably should have left it at iOS 8.0 and above and Android 2.3 and above and don’t list any specific device models.
@cengland0 I found this when I went to search more on the difference between 1st gen, 2nd gen and 3rd gen and the article said this: “Of course, if you’re not big on HomeKit and Siri, or you’re an Android user, the new features in the 2nd-generation Hue Bridge are pretty much worthless. At that point, there’s no harm in getting the 1st-generation Hue Bridge, especially considering that newer 2nd- and 3rd-generation Hue bulbs work just fine with the 1st-generation Hue Bridge.” I was surprised to see that seeing as how Meh listed Android compatibility. It was on Howtogeek.com. I looked because I have no desire to own a talking speaker from any company but I wanted to see if buying this 2nd gen refurbed package from here would allow me to later add more to the hub, how to do it and if I had to buy only 2nd gen bulbs. I’m definitely not tech savvy, nor am I an Android user, but my Parents are and I was thinking of getting it for them so when they went out of town they could set up either a timer or schedule or how far away they could be to be able to turn them on with their phone/app when coming home after being out socializing or from a cruise ship for the illusion that someone is home. Dad loves gadgets so he would be like that commercial where the kid freaks out the guy walking his dog because his parents let him play with the phone and he turns on and off all of the lights with the ph. Yep, if my Dad could do that from a cruise ship he’d be occupied the whole time letting my Mom go to the spa more or having her own “me” time. I know your issue was more on the color spectrum but @craigthom said his phone was compatible. I don’t know if a Note5 is android- as I said I’m definitely not tech smart.
@antsam999 wew! 15 clams is a lotta dough. why? I bought a bulb in walmart yesterday–75watt equilevant led, since they don’t sell curlie cue ones anymore. 5 dollars. I almost cried in the middle of the store. Guaranteed for 9 years, but heck, they’ll be on to a whole nother kind of bulb by then.
@wew I wonder why companies are still selling bulbs as “75 watt equivalent” instead of listing the Lumens. I’ll take that number in Lumens, Lux, or even Candle Power but watt equivalency is the most ridiculous measurement of brightness for an LED bulb.
@cengland0 Because 1 cup of milk, not .24L Actually I had to pay attention to remember the translation across the two so was glad it was repeated enough that I finally got it without having to consciously memorize it. And actually since I like 100 Watt bulbs that is the marker I remember. Although in your example if they don’t mention lumens too that is dumb.
@Kidsandliz exactly. I grew up with watts, and now the others, I just don’t have a reference point for them-probably due to underexposure,(unintentional pun). I was just exposed to those other terms a few weeks ago when I was looking into grow lights for tomatoes, and someone posted watts are a completely ineffectual way of talking about grow lights. It’s all very new to me. Haha, kids today…
@allergic2skank i don’t care for arranged marriages and don’t have any pets. the hue is obviously not a necessity, but we use it multiple times a day, i feel it has improved our standard of living, and i wouldn’t care to be without it if at all possible.
@Kidsandliz…I star you and @wew…I star you too . All I know is watts and prefer my 100W equivalent bulb to say it is equivalent to 100 watts (and I’m glad the bulbs look like bulbs again instead of a pigs tail). I don’t want to pull up my conversation chart every time I need to buy products on line to figure out if I’m getting it right. I finally wrote down my shoe size in inches, cm, mm, American, Asian, UK and EU just so I don’t have to keep looking it up.
@narfcake They are consistently the worst of the worst. Even calling them puns is pushing the limits of the definition. Sorry, don’t mean to be a hater but I honestly find them to be so incredibly vapid that they actually irritate me. They’re the ‘driving too slow in the left lane’ versions of puns.
I was truly hoping through my own personal idocracy that my breakdown explanation of the items purchased from meh would send down a path of enlightenment. Alas it has not. I now not content with 2 4 taco tuesday and i prefer the highly anticipated three for throwback thursday. so unfortunately the 2 phillips hue bulbs onlyu producing a lackluster 2700k. i prefer everything to be in the 25000k to 45000k space. if your light bulbs do not produce a sunburn than I am sorry you’re doing it wrong. And as Georgia Brown would say "Ain’t nobody got time for that. Now travel with me if you will down the road of love to a world where meh can produce its only power and light through nuclear fusion, we can find the lochness monster and a large online retailer isn’t trying to send me to space to just to do my shopping and then we can discuss the future if automated light technology. Am i the crazy one here am i the only one who doesn’t want a sex robot for sex?? How about a robot that will get up and turn the light on for me. i DO NOT have time to get out of bed grab my phone turn on the light then proceed to the bathroom. This needs to be done for me. give me a personal assistant robot and were not talking roomba here people we are talking full automated assistance. i don’t have to time to figure out IFTTT. I just want to talk to stuff and tell it what to do. oh look i dropped my pen. gerald pick up my pen, thats what i want its very simple. this “gerald” can then take my dog (Ron) for a walk. am i taking crazy pills here people!! now back on topic just like the ways of HD vs blu-ray, betamax vs vhs, the lackluster argument over dvd-r vs dvd+r and the nearly world ending debate of laserdisc vs the world. how in this hell do we not have 1 working and evolving platform for this crap to just work. even now as i click away on my 1998 beige / yellowing gateway keyboard do i have to use physical labor. i should just be able to talk to this thing and tell it what to do. so nearing the end of space and time i leave you with this. “LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE” -Chris Crocker
@craigthom No - @Kidsandliz had it right. You can rig a motion sensor up under the bed and when it senses your feet hitting the ground it can then turn on the light. But you’re not wrong either about Echo other than I believe you meant to direct that comment to @Kcco who wants the ease of telling something automated to do a task and not @Kidsandliz who was only trying to help.
we bought this last time as we were planning on getting this setup anyway and have been very pleased. great deal (if you don’t yet have a hub, which has been mentioned) and fairly easy to set up and have had no problems. love being able to dim/brighten. i was hoping meh would come around with a deal on the colored bulbs, but no dice yet.
we use it in our main light in the living room which is a floor lamp that takes two bulbs, and control it through our amazon echo. we almost never use it at 100%, 80 is usually plenty bright enough and we usually turn it down to 30 if we’re just watching tv. (vs eating or reading.) i wouldn’t want it any brighter (or whiter) but of course this is a personal choice. i find yellower whites cozy, and don’t need or care to be blinded by daylight when it’s dark outside. our apartment is very, very bright during the day so we get plenty of that.
we live in an old house with only one light switch (for the bathroom), and on top of that we have very few outlets, and this particular lamp has the on switch as a foot-pressing-button on the cord which is on the floor with lots of other cords behind our entertainment system setup. so being able to say “alexa, turn on lights” vs walking into a dark room and jamming your foot around in a pile of cords hoping to find the switch eventually is just so much easier. the rest of the lights in our apartment are on either tp link or wemo switches.
I bought the round first generation bridge on here a bit back. I never can get the scenes to work with voice. I even tried IFTTT to no avail. Do I need this square one? I have color bulbs in the bedroom and living room and want to voice control scenes. Thank you WD