@PlacidPenguin I really wish you’d stop this making major edits thing you do, it’s really frustrating to respond to you only to come back later and find out you’ve massively changed what you originally said and the reply no longer fits in context. The first major edit you made didn’t affect things much but then you edited it majorly yet again and the portion that had survived the initial edit which I had responded to was altered making my response fit poorly to those not present to observe the edits.
Personally I found nothing really wrong with Fantastic Beasts deserving of denying it an Oscar. Squad on the other hand was just a horrible movie in pretty much every conceivable way.
(I made the edit not even a minute after you made your post.)
Never saw Fantastic Beasts or Suicide Squad.
Been busy catching up on my TV and movie watch list to watch new movies.
But didn’t Suicide Squad win the Oscar for “Best Makeup”? Not really sure why just because critics had an issue with the plot that it wouldn’t be deserving of Best Makeup.
(And that makes it not an issue in your head how? Small edits like grammar, spelling, typos, etc. are great, you fundamentally altered the entire structure of the post and its content not once but twice. Hell, you may have done it multiple additional times and I just didn’t see it.)
Not just critics. Everybody. It was a horrible movie. Worse, it was a horrible production process that led to the horrible movie. There was nothing good about it.
@jbartus I can only suggest you don’t respond so fast. I’ve responded to people that have completely deleted their posts. Frustrating… But they have 5 minutes. That’s their right.
@jbartus I am a huge comic movie fan, and like just about everything. But on this you are correct - Suicide Squad was fucking horrible. They seriously fucked up that movie
The only award it should have won is - biggest waste of hype.
Truly wasn’t Warren’s fault, and Faye just read what she saw on the card… though he did kind of set her up for that. I can’t imagine what I would have done in that situation knowing (at least from Beatty’s perspective) that something was wrong while millions watched.
What I find more shocking is that the winners don’t actually know they’re going to win. For years I believed that this was all just ceremony, and actors were just doing that – acting surprised. If nothing else, this proved they really don’t know.
@ACraigL I felt bad for Warren. He knew something was wrong, and wasn’t sure how to handle it. It’s a shame he didn’t cover the mic up or something while trying to get Faye to understand why he was showing it to her, but it probably didn’t occur to him at the time. I hate that he’s being compared to Harvey and being laughed at by people now. I’ve seen so many “old” people jokes and “should have put on his glasses” jokes.
@ACraigL It also shows that the orchestra has to be ready for any of the winners. They announced ‘La La Land’ and they fired up the score instantly. It’s not like they were sitting there ready for Moonlight.
@SpenceMan01@ACraigL Yup, and the voice-over announcer as well. There was a whole spiel that was read about LLL when they won. “This is the 7th Academy Award for La La Land, etc, etc”. Just goes to show that nobody but PWC knows who the winners are.
@RiotDemon
Price Waterhouse Cooper is taking responsibility. Apparently they use a set of envelopes, and also have ready sets of backup envelopes, as a failsafe. Beatty was handed the dup envelope for Best Actress. He could not have been handed the original Best Actress envelope - Emma Stone still had it.
You know (and this is not original with me), Price Waterhouse had only ONE job last night, and they blew it.
It was handled well, but it should never have happened. My heart goes out to the La La Land folks, who expected to win, and were up there, on the stage, with their prepared speeches, when the whole thing got taken away. They, and the Moonlight folks, were all troupers, and it ended as well as it could have, considering.
Also, Ryan Gosling must be encouraged to NEVER sing again. EVER.
@Shrdlu
I have not seen La La Land, since I rarely see films in theater. But was curious that this big a production would go out with substandard singing, so I checked out the soundtrack on Youtube. Ouch.
He sounds like an adequate home singer, at least in the clips I sampled. And his singing is so uninvolved or laid back, he sounds like he’s going through his first rehearsal - or that was my quick take. I didn’t want to listen to him for very long. Loved the instrumental music tho.
This made me wonder about his singing, so I poked around. Gosling was in the Mickey Mouse Club in the era of Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, and Christina Aguilera. He held his own in this “boy band soul” here:
(Justin Timberlake, JC Chasez, Ryan Gosling and Dale Godboldo - Cry for you)
I read somewhere that he was a strong candidate for The Backstreet Boys. Not my style of music, but they usually don’t strongly consider people who can’t sing.
He also formed his own 2 man band with Zack Shields. I think Dead Man’s Bones’ only release so far is from 2009 and is deliberately spooky music as an homage to the scary stuff they loved as kids. Here, the band performs with a children’s choir and he sings well enough, though he sounds like he hasn’t yet found his “band voice”:
Does he possibly need singing coaching? Has he not yet found his adult performance singing voice? Is he just not that good any longer? Was he deliberately directed toward that sort of musical performance as being somehow in character, or dramatically appropriate? Dunno.
This made me a little nostalgic for films in which the musical performances don’t feel a little phoned in. Once, the singing in a musical film was on a par with what someone would see and hear on Broadway. So I recovered with this (warning, it’s totally over the top):
@PlacidPenguin
I’m glad I’m not a professional fact-checker. I tried proofreading-copyediting once. Was terrible at it. I just read over and past the errors. (“Well, so-and-so must have meant “blah blah blah”, who cares what they actually wrote?” [wasn’t deliberate, eyes/brain just did this without my noticing])
I did ok with code and math, though am way out of practice. Forget a normal cultural language. Some deep character flaw in my being.
I was really good at proofreading-copyediting-fact-checking when I was young. Then I think my basic decency degenerated or something.
Giant oops!
No. But I looked at twitter a few minutes ago…
Just Googled it.
Pffft.
/giphy point and giggle
interesting.
I have one important question to ask.
HOW THE FUCK DID SUICIDE SQUAD WIN AN OSCAR?!
@jbartus
Also, read the last two paragraphs of this article from Gizmodo.
This article from Polygon is pretty delightful too.
@PlacidPenguin this one?
@jbartus
Possibly. I dunno. Still upset with the states of California, Wyoming, and Confusion to figure out what I mean.
@PlacidPenguin I really wish you’d stop this making major edits thing you do, it’s really frustrating to respond to you only to come back later and find out you’ve massively changed what you originally said and the reply no longer fits in context. The first major edit you made didn’t affect things much but then you edited it majorly yet again and the portion that had survived the initial edit which I had responded to was altered making my response fit poorly to those not present to observe the edits.
Personally I found nothing really wrong with Fantastic Beasts deserving of denying it an Oscar. Squad on the other hand was just a horrible movie in pretty much every conceivable way.
@jbartus
(I made the edit not even a minute after you made your post.)
Never saw Fantastic Beasts or Suicide Squad.
Been busy catching up on my TV and movie watch list to watch new movies.
But didn’t Suicide Squad win the Oscar for “Best Makeup”? Not really sure why just because critics had an issue with the plot that it wouldn’t be deserving of Best Makeup.
@PlacidPenguin
(And that makes it not an issue in your head how? Small edits like grammar, spelling, typos, etc. are great, you fundamentally altered the entire structure of the post and its content not once but twice. Hell, you may have done it multiple additional times and I just didn’t see it.)
Not just critics. Everybody. It was a horrible movie. Worse, it was a horrible production process that led to the horrible movie. There was nothing good about it.
@jbartus
Regardless of who criticized it, it didn’t win an Oscar for plot or Best Actor/Actress/Whatever the Oscars give awards for, but Best Makeup.
I don’t see why a film has to be good to get Best Makeup. Obviously it doesn’t.
So, I don’t see why people are shocked.
@PlacidPenguin because some of the makeup was objectively bad as well?
@jbartus I can only suggest you don’t respond so fast. I’ve responded to people that have completely deleted their posts. Frustrating… But they have 5 minutes. That’s their right.
@jbartus I am a huge comic movie fan, and like just about everything. But on this you are correct - Suicide Squad was fucking horrible. They seriously fucked up that movie
The only award it should have won is - biggest waste of hype.
@mfladd wow, I thought for sure Margot Robbie would have won you over.
@jbartus I was going to add that. She did. That was it’s only saving grace.
@jbartus the direction of this argument is all wrong. It is why did Suicide Squad win an Oscar and Deadpool did not.
Truly wasn’t Warren’s fault, and Faye just read what she saw on the card… though he did kind of set her up for that. I can’t imagine what I would have done in that situation knowing (at least from Beatty’s perspective) that something was wrong while millions watched.
What I find more shocking is that the winners don’t actually know they’re going to win. For years I believed that this was all just ceremony, and actors were just doing that – acting surprised. If nothing else, this proved they really don’t know.
@ACraigL I felt bad for Warren. He knew something was wrong, and wasn’t sure how to handle it. It’s a shame he didn’t cover the mic up or something while trying to get Faye to understand why he was showing it to her, but it probably didn’t occur to him at the time. I hate that he’s being compared to Harvey and being laughed at by people now. I’ve seen so many “old” people jokes and “should have put on his glasses” jokes.
@ACraigL It also shows that the orchestra has to be ready for any of the winners. They announced ‘La La Land’ and they fired up the score instantly. It’s not like they were sitting there ready for Moonlight.
@SpenceMan01 @ACraigL Yup, and the voice-over announcer as well. There was a whole spiel that was read about LLL when they won. “This is the 7th Academy Award for La La Land, etc, etc”. Just goes to show that nobody but PWC knows who the winners are.
@jsh139 And sometimes not even them. Apparently.
Does anyone have a link that actually explains what happened/whose fault it was?
@RiotDemon I’m kind of embarrassed to use them as my source, but here you go.
http://bzfd.it/2ml8W6V
@RiotDemon
Price Waterhouse Cooper is taking responsibility. Apparently they use a set of envelopes, and also have ready sets of backup envelopes, as a failsafe. Beatty was handed the dup envelope for Best Actress. He could not have been handed the original Best Actress envelope - Emma Stone still had it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/02/27/most-shocking-moment-in-oscars-history-presenters-call-the-wrong-winner-for-best-picture/?utm_term=.723f328bfdf3
Lots of video analysis here
https://www.google.com/search?q=oscars+2017&rlz=1CATAAB_enUS732US732&oq=oscars+&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l2j69i60j0.3465j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#tbm=nws&q=oscars+2017+screw+up&*
http://globalnews.ca/news/3275142/oscars-2017-la-la-land-moonlight-envelop-mistake-apology/
I blame Brexit.
@cranky1950
I’m blaming the attempt at Calexit.
@PlacidPenguin Nah it’s Brit accounting firm. Probably confusing oscar votes with, Euros, and lbs(tee hee) sterling.
You know (and this is not original with me), Price Waterhouse had only ONE job last night, and they blew it.
It was handled well, but it should never have happened. My heart goes out to the La La Land folks, who expected to win, and were up there, on the stage, with their prepared speeches, when the whole thing got taken away. They, and the Moonlight folks, were all troupers, and it ended as well as it could have, considering.
Also, Ryan Gosling must be encouraged to NEVER sing again. EVER.
@Shrdlu
I have not seen La La Land, since I rarely see films in theater. But was curious that this big a production would go out with substandard singing, so I checked out the soundtrack on Youtube. Ouch.
He sounds like an adequate home singer, at least in the clips I sampled. And his singing is so uninvolved or laid back, he sounds like he’s going through his first rehearsal - or that was my quick take. I didn’t want to listen to him for very long. Loved the instrumental music tho.
This made me wonder about his singing, so I poked around. Gosling was in the Mickey Mouse Club in the era of Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, and Christina Aguilera. He held his own in this “boy band soul” here:
(Justin Timberlake, JC Chasez, Ryan Gosling and Dale Godboldo - Cry for you)
I read somewhere that he was a strong candidate for The Backstreet Boys. Not my style of music, but they usually don’t strongly consider people who can’t sing.
He also formed his own 2 man band with Zack Shields. I think Dead Man’s Bones’ only release so far is from 2009 and is deliberately spooky music as an homage to the scary stuff they loved as kids. Here, the band performs with a children’s choir and he sings well enough, though he sounds like he hasn’t yet found his “band voice”:
Does he possibly need singing coaching? Has he not yet found his adult performance singing voice? Is he just not that good any longer? Was he deliberately directed toward that sort of musical performance as being somehow in character, or dramatically appropriate? Dunno.
This made me a little nostalgic for films in which the musical performances don’t feel a little phoned in. Once, the singing in a musical film was on a par with what someone would see and hear on Broadway. So I recovered with this (warning, it’s totally over the top):
@f00l Love that NPH performance. That man is dripping with talent.
Sigh…
Apparently this wasn’t the only mistake.
The wrong picture was used for an ‘In Memoriam’.
http://variety.com/2017/film/awards/oscars-in-memoriam-segment-janet-patterson-wrong-photo-jan-chapman-1201997597/
@PlacidPenguin
I’m glad I’m not a professional fact-checker. I tried proofreading-copyediting once. Was terrible at it. I just read over and past the errors. (“Well, so-and-so must have meant “blah blah blah”, who cares what they actually wrote?” [wasn’t deliberate, eyes/brain just did this without my noticing])
I did ok with code and math, though am way out of practice. Forget a normal cultural language. Some deep character flaw in my being.
I was really good at proofreading-copyediting-fact-checking when I was young. Then I think my basic decency degenerated or something.
They are soooo throwing that senior partner under the bus…
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/academy-oscar-accountants-offer-more-apologies-investigation-launched-044028648.html
(just saw source is hollywood reporter, but still…)
Gotta say, as an auditor, that is why there are procedures. Too bad they didn’t follow them.