@Comedian rechargeable aa batteries are much more common than rechargeable c’s. personally, i think they made a good choice using the most common battery form factor.
@Comedian@tjamesturner It’d still be nicer if it took 18650 Lithium cells, or their fatter brother. I’ve got 10 yr old Panasonic 18650 cells salvaged from laptop batteries that last better than new “Ultrafire” batteries!
@Comedian That struck me as odd. What’s it doing that needs so much voltage? Maglites and the like have been doing just fine on three or four cells since forever.
What was it two days ago Meh was looking for euphemisms then two days of things to find your way in the dark? Do the Meh writers have issues performing?
+1 for spelling “straits” properly, but even the big one isn’t big enough for whacking, uh, things, with, which I think is one of the major reasons for getting a metal flashlight.
If this were more in impulse buy pricing, I might get one for the car anyway, but for now, my 3D cell Maglite is doing the job.
@Keebemon Yeah, for some strange reason, my state doesn’t allow 6D cell Maglites to be sold. That said, I checked, and mine is the 4D cell, which is obviously at least 25% better.
@RedOak@spacemart I’ve had mine for years. Came with a rechargable battery that lasts much longer than one would think. I use it constantly and the switch is fine. Zoomed in it can light up my mailbox at the end of my 600ft driveway and on more than one occasion used it as a makeshift hammer and it’s still running fine. Perhaps you are buying the wrong flashlights?
@kalfaz A D-cell is still only ~1.5 V (nominal.) You’d have a dim flashlight (think of those little keychain ones that use a single AA or AAA) that lasts forever.
That 6 hour runtime is kind of miserable, honestly I’d save my pennies. For not much more you can get a small portable LED lantern that runs for 24h on a charge or another that runs that long on one AA battery… at the lowest setting sure but that’s still way better for an emergency
@RedOak Though I think Maglite is a bit more realistic in Lumen ratings. Several of my lights rated 700lm or more are just barely brighter than the Maglite. And TBH, the Mag won’t be lighting any fires, but it easily lights up my back yard. True 168lm is plenty bright for the average flashlight use. I’d rather have 168lm for 70 or 80 hours than so-called 700lm for 5 or 6 hrs. Finally, the Mag is regulated, so I get full brightness for the entire burn time.
@ruouttaurmind don’t get me wrong, we have 3D and 4D Maglites, largely for their security/weapon heft. But one thing they don’t have is a ready supply of juice when we run out of D-cells.
For camping, bugout bag, and everyday use we use AA Eneloop and 18650, powered high lumen flashlights. Recharging yields endless power and light weight.
@RedOak Eneloop makes those D-cell adapters, but unfortunately they only accommodate a single AA. No doubt the runtime would be diminished exponentially. 80hr becomes 10hr or something like that. Extended runtime is what I value about D-cells. I can take my D-cell flashlight camping and know I won’t have to fuss with batteries for several days (nights?)
I have one of those cheesy Old Brooklyn vintage style LED lanterns and no exaggeration, that sucker will run over a week on 4 D-cells. It’s fugly as sin, but my best camping lantern.
BTW, I use a 2 AA cell LED flashlight in my BOBs simply because that Maglite is just too damn heavy to lug around if I ever have to bug out on foot, or abandon the vehicle.
@ruouttaurmind yah, we have those C and D cell eneloop adapters… and have tried them. But the hit to longevity of 2,000 vs 10,000 mAh is just too severe a hit for a device designed for D cells. And you lose the weapon weight.
Even tho we now primarily car camp rather than hiking in I can’t recall ever taking our Maglites with us.
Eneloop chemistry means they don’t leak. Although, strangely, unlike AA propensity to leak, I don’t recall ever having a D cell leak!?! Perhaps their higher cost allows enough room to make them to a higher standard. That and there’s a lot less competion in the D cell market for obvious reasons.
One more element: I have Scot blood. That means I have deep pockets and short arms. D cells are expensive.
@ruouttaurmind BTW, my favorite compact everyday is an original (not the revised) ThorFire single AAA (Eneloop) PF01. Bullet proof and plenty bright for finding stuff or walks. The thing has wonderful patina “scars” with the black paint worn off the edges.
More recently been trying out a double AAA Infray that appears so far to be similarly tough but brighter.
@ruouttaurmind Sometimes it replaces my double dash, sometimes it doesn’t. I wonder if copy/paste will work. The one where you had the right model, it shows as the – instead of the double.
@narfcake@ruouttaurmind I’m on PC. Could just be part of mehdown. Seems to only do it to me when it’s not part of an expected variable, which is probably the intention.
As with Duracell pushing C-cell flashlights at Costco in a desperate last ditch effort to save C-cell demand, we might find that Panasonic, due to their purchase of Sanyo (Eneloop rechargeable AA-cells), has now bought Life Gear.
@rustyh3 all our kids are 10+ years past that era so I’m out of touch with that stuff but recall that being the case back then. Surprising with all the newer battery tech it continues.
@RedOak@rustyh3 Batteries are not for eating, or for choking on. C-cells are big enough that children 3 and under don’t choke on them so much. AA, AAA, and button cells need to be locked behind an annoying screw for products marketed for use by extreme youth.
After a few unfortunate incidents, the battery rules apply to almost every toy. It seems that some children over the age of 3 don’t put their toys away, and they have siblings. It only takes a few lazy 4 year olds to ruin the fun for everyone.
I love flashlights. Especially nicely made aluminum, bright, flashlights. And all three $10 vmpbribe codes sit idle. But resistance is not futile. We already have flashlights and backup flashlights everywhere.
@Kevfin I am far more likely to drop a flashlight on my foot than to use one in self defense. I would rather have a lightweight flashlight without slightly pointy bits at the end. I go barefoot when possible.
So I don’t even want my flashlight to look like it is tactical.
@Kevfin I realize that. Long ago, I bought a couple aluminum bodied, 3 D cell flashlights with 1 Watt LEDs. They had constant current power supplies, so they stayed the same brightness as the battery aged. They weren’t “tactical”, they didn’t have the added injury feature around the lens.
I picked them up surplus, but don’t remember where. I can’t find the complete one now to take a picture. I took one apart to make a spot light for close-up work. Not sure where that is now. I upgraded to dental lights.
I kept the machined aluminum tube in case I needed one. I am still using that. I cut the ends off, and kept the part that was smooth on the inside. There is nothing for a mouse to grab on. The tube is suspended in the middle of a bucket on a mouse proof piece of hardware cloth. Mice can go down the tube, but they can’t get back up. There are some triscuits with peanut butter down there. That attracts one mouse, then that mouse calls for his friends. I will post a picture shortly.
If the picture shows up you can see the fragment of the non-tactical flashlight in the center of the usually nonlethal mousetrap. It is hard to see, but there is a ramp for easier mouse access on the right side. The black elastic cord with the black ball holds the lid on. Mice can generate a surprising amount of force if they are trying to get out, so I had to strap the top down.
The smell of the peanut butter goes right through the hardware cloth, but mice can’t chew through the steel. The mouse trap is only lethal if I forget to check it often enough. That is a bad thing. The smell of dead mice scares mice away. I replace the bucket, rather than try to clean it out.
I release the mice in a field with lots of predators. I don’t mind mice dying, I just don’t want them to die in the trap. I also don’t want them living in my basement.
I removed a mouse yesterday, there isn’t another there yet. It is unlikely, but possible that that was the last mouse.
@Kevfin And yes it is gross, but I do leave the mouse droppings in the trap. Mice are attracted to the smell of mice eating. That smell is in the droppings.
@cpierce the one on the order page that is red says 500 lumens also. I suspect it’s the black on we will receive, but I will not complain if they send me the red 500 lumen model.
really tempted…but can’t get over the fact that I have to spend 5 bucks in batteries for the big one…rather spend 35 bucks and go for the maglite with c or d cells…
@flooners I have the big one. It’s a good flashlight. No problems with it at all. Very bright and enough heft to injure someone should you choose to use it as a weapon.
A few years ago, I decided I wanted to get two decent flashlights: one for the house, one for the car. After looking through a bunch (including higher end ones from Surefire, Fenix, and Streamlight) I ended up getting two Maglites: an XL50 and an XL200.
Both run on 3x AAAs, so I got two 4-packs of Eneloops and charge all six at once (the extra two are in a BT mouse). They share a form factor that fits nicely in my hand and is easy to pack. The 50 has nearly seven hours of runtime on high. The 200 has manually-adjustable brightness across its entire spectrum.
I think they’re a nice balance between cost and quality; you can get both and the batteries for less than the cost of one “tactical” model from the brands I mentioned earlier.
The specs give the same run time for both flashlights. That doesn’t make sense.
An Amazon seller had this line in the description for the big flashlight. It comes with 9AA batteries, so it’s bright from the box, and can run for 4.5 hours on high, or 35 hours on low for long-lasting, reliable light.
The run time suggests that there is less than an ideal DC-DC convertor. With equally efficient conversions, the batteries should last slightly more than 10 times as long, if they are putting out 1/10 the power. I suspect that the DC-DC convertor is wasting 10 hours of battery life when it is powering the LED at the 75 lumen level. Either that, or the LED becomes much less efficient at 10% power. Or rather, to get 10% of the light, they need to put in 14% of the power.
This flashlight is as brite as it gets, at 400 ft it lights up the area you have in mind. I highly recommend if it turns up again very impressed with this item at this price BUY!!!
UPDATE!!!,The battery pack (9) is a giant pain in the azz, you have to pull the batteries out after removing 3 screws very small screws and the thing that holds the batterys in place collapses and it’s nearly impossible to put it back together, really bad design if you don’t have patience do not buy one, another item of interest the flashlight has turned itself on at least 4 times so I have to watch where I lay it down, FIRE HAZARD LIFE+GEAR DOES NOT SELL THIS ITEM ANYMORE QUITE A FEW FLAWS INDEED.!!! All that being said its 12 volts+and this thing lights up stop signs a mile away,scary bright.
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1x Flashlight
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How’d this be for putting a big spot on the ground for my cat to chase around?
/giphy Anybody got a light?
Bright idea
cart and bought image
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Do they not know that C-cell and D-cell batteries are still available?
@Comedian …In my fridge.
@Comedian rechargeable aa batteries are much more common than rechargeable c’s. personally, i think they made a good choice using the most common battery form factor.
@Comedian @tjamesturner It’d still be nicer if it took 18650 Lithium cells, or their fatter brother. I’ve got 10 yr old Panasonic 18650 cells salvaged from laptop batteries that last better than new “Ultrafire” batteries!
@caffeineguy Never buy batteries with “fire” in their name!
@Comedian It would still take a shitload of c or ds if they wanted to draw the same amount of power from them.
@Comedian That struck me as odd. What’s it doing that needs so much voltage? Maglites and the like have been doing just fine on three or four cells since forever.
@Comedian @Seeds
Like nine of them!
I’m sure we’re all wedding it ran in four button cells instead
750L? That’s nearly 200 gallons!
What was it two days ago Meh was looking for euphemisms then two days of things to find your way in the dark? Do the Meh writers have issues performing?
@bleedmichigan I think they are taking their euphemism search a bit too literally…
@bleedmichigan I doubt it, if they consider 8.4" a “Smallie”
@bleedmichigan @lichme
/giphy that’s what she said
I got the big one last time, because I talk softly.
@hchavers sorry what?
@hchavers @mehvermore speak softly and carry a big stick
Nine batteries for biggie?! I think that will take up too much refrigerator space.
@heartny Technically, that will free up a lot of refrigerator space…
@heartny @shahnm no it will light up a lot of fridge space while keeping your batteries cool
@shahnm Not if I stock up on replenishments.
@heartny Well then your net refrigerator space will be unchanged. Nine lovely batteries out; nine new lovely batteries in. Let the chillin’ begin!
@heartny And I guess you better take a spare refrigerator along, in case you need to put in fresh batteries.
@phendrick Oh, good point. I should stock up on insulated bags and those blue ice pack freezey things.
+1 for spelling “straits” properly, but even the big one isn’t big enough for whacking, uh, things, with, which I think is one of the major reasons for getting a metal flashlight.
If this were more in impulse buy pricing, I might get one for the car anyway, but for now, my 3D cell Maglite is doing the job.
@yeppers Your 3D cell Maglite might be doing the job, but a 6D cell Maglite would do it better!
@Keebemon @yeppers I had a 6 D cell maglite. I called it a self defense flashlight.
@Keebemon Yeah, for some strange reason, my state doesn’t allow 6D cell Maglites to be sold. That said, I checked, and mine is the 4D cell, which is obviously at least 25% better.
Sweet! I’ve been looking for a darkness-resistant flashlight for forever…
Still happy with my Halo lights. Would love to see Meh sell those again.
You can get 1000 lumen led flashlights with adjustable focus on Amazon in packs of 2 for like $12.
@Coldwyn but most are full of comments that say they are not nearly as bright as claimed
@Coldwyn @spacemart …and with switches that become wonky before the batteries require their first replacement.
@RedOak @spacemart I’ve had mine for years. Came with a rechargable battery that lasts much longer than one would think. I use it constantly and the switch is fine. Zoomed in it can light up my mailbox at the end of my 600ft driveway and on more than one occasion used it as a makeshift hammer and it’s still running fine. Perhaps you are buying the wrong flashlights?
I’d love to find a flashlight like this that runs on 1 D cell.
I like rechargeable AAs but the runtime is too low.
@kalfaz A D-cell is still only ~1.5 V (nominal.) You’d have a dim flashlight (think of those little keychain ones that use a single AA or AAA) that lasts forever.
@ruouttaurmind it’s – model “750 Lumen” (that’s two dashes)
@ruouttaurmind maybe it’s something lame like
/buy --model “750 Lumen - $18”
That 6 hour runtime is kind of miserable, honestly I’d save my pennies. For not much more you can get a small portable LED lantern that runs for 24h on a charge or another that runs that long on one AA battery… at the lowest setting sure but that’s still way better for an emergency
@CrashCat My 3 D cell LED Maglite is rated at 80hrs.
@CrashCat @ruouttaurmind However, your 3 D cell LED Maglite won’t scare the raccoons away with only 168 lumens.
@RedOak Though I think Maglite is a bit more realistic in Lumen ratings. Several of my lights rated 700lm or more are just barely brighter than the Maglite. And TBH, the Mag won’t be lighting any fires, but it easily lights up my back yard. True 168lm is plenty bright for the average flashlight use. I’d rather have 168lm for 70 or 80 hours than so-called 700lm for 5 or 6 hrs. Finally, the Mag is regulated, so I get full brightness for the entire burn time.
@ruouttaurmind don’t get me wrong, we have 3D and 4D Maglites, largely for their security/weapon heft. But one thing they don’t have is a ready supply of juice when we run out of D-cells.
For camping, bugout bag, and everyday use we use AA Eneloop and 18650, powered high lumen flashlights. Recharging yields endless power and light weight.
@RedOak Eneloop makes those D-cell adapters, but unfortunately they only accommodate a single AA. No doubt the runtime would be diminished exponentially. 80hr becomes 10hr or something like that. Extended runtime is what I value about D-cells. I can take my D-cell flashlight camping and know I won’t have to fuss with batteries for several days (nights?)
I have one of those cheesy Old Brooklyn vintage style LED lanterns and no exaggeration, that sucker will run over a week on 4 D-cells. It’s fugly as sin, but my best camping lantern.
BTW, I use a 2 AA cell LED flashlight in my BOBs simply because that Maglite is just too damn heavy to lug around if I ever have to bug out on foot, or abandon the vehicle.
@ruouttaurmind yah, we have those C and D cell eneloop adapters… and have tried them. But the hit to longevity of 2,000 vs 10,000 mAh is just too severe a hit for a device designed for D cells. And you lose the weapon weight.
Even tho we now primarily car camp rather than hiking in I can’t recall ever taking our Maglites with us.
Eneloop chemistry means they don’t leak. Although, strangely, unlike AA propensity to leak, I don’t recall ever having a D cell leak!?! Perhaps their higher cost allows enough room to make them to a higher standard. That and there’s a lot less competion in the D cell market for obvious reasons.
One more element: I have Scot blood. That means I have deep pockets and short arms. D cells are expensive.
@ruouttaurmind BTW, my favorite compact everyday is an original (not the revised) ThorFire single AAA (Eneloop) PF01. Bullet proof and plenty bright for finding stuff or walks. The thing has wonderful patina “scars” with the black paint worn off the edges.
More recently been trying out a double AAA Infray that appears so far to be similarly tough but brighter.
@meh, I wish you guys would offer some good flashlights that run off of 18650s
/buy --model “750 Lumen - $18”
@ruouttaurmind Sorry, this deal contains 2 unique items and I’m not sure which one you want. You can review how to pick one, or just try ordering from the checkout page.
/buy --model “750 Lumen”
@lichme It worked! Your order number is: losing-old-paladin
/image losing old paladin
@mediocrebot Fuck you, I’m cancelling this. I only wanted to figure out the right command for @ruouttaurmind
@lichme, I’m saying @mediocrebot is a total tool. I tried that exact syntax and was d-nied!
@ruouttaurmind Sometimes it replaces my double dash, sometimes it doesn’t. I wonder if copy/paste will work. The one where you had the right model, it shows as the – instead of the double.
@lichme @ruouttaurmind The double-take thing is probably your device’s doing.
@narfcake @ruouttaurmind I’m on PC. Could just be part of mehdown. Seems to only do it to me when it’s not part of an expected variable, which is probably the intention.
@lichme Perhaps so.
Blame the goat?
As with Duracell pushing C-cell flashlights at Costco in a desperate last ditch effort to save C-cell demand, we might find that Panasonic, due to their purchase of Sanyo (Eneloop rechargeable AA-cells), has now bought Life Gear.
Feed the monster.
@RedOak C-cells are safe… an amazing amount of baby stuff and toys are powered by C-cell batteries.
@rustyh3 all our kids are 10+ years past that era so I’m out of touch with that stuff but recall that being the case back then. Surprising with all the newer battery tech it continues.
@RedOak @rustyh3 Batteries are not for eating, or for choking on. C-cells are big enough that children 3 and under don’t choke on them so much. AA, AAA, and button cells need to be locked behind an annoying screw for products marketed for use by extreme youth.
After a few unfortunate incidents, the battery rules apply to almost every toy. It seems that some children over the age of 3 don’t put their toys away, and they have siblings. It only takes a few lazy 4 year olds to ruin the fun for everyone.
@hamjudo Then why are they in the fridge?!
(Hi, @shahnm!)
@hamjudo @narfcake Why indeed.
The 300L has been on Amazon since April 2016. Not a single review. That $30 asking price must have something to do with that.
@RedOak has 4 reviews on Home Depot…https://www.homedepot.com/p/Life-Gear-Pro-Series-Red-Alert-CREE-LED-300-Lumen-Flashlight-LG21-60574-BLA/206783806?cm_mmc=Shopping|THD|google|&mid=sF2BZPNpH|dc_mtid_8903tb925190_pcrid_111415680425_pkw__pmt__product_206783806_slid_&gclid=CjwKCAjws6jVBRBZEiwAkIfZ2t6rL2sOf5ppXwUWviRST1lROt5STTK3b5wKWoDImWtblX0CGI0C_RoCJVQQAvD_BwE&dclid=CKrBpJGI7tkCFUc8TwodCDYBCg
I love flashlights. Especially nicely made aluminum, bright, flashlights. And all three $10 vmpbribe codes sit idle. But resistance is not futile. We already have flashlights and backup flashlights everywhere.
I don’t buy black aluminum flashlights unless they are labeled - “tactical”
@Kevfin I am far more likely to drop a flashlight on my foot than to use one in self defense. I would rather have a lightweight flashlight without slightly pointy bits at the end. I go barefoot when possible.
So I don’t even want my flashlight to look like it is tactical.
@hamjudo My attempt at being sarcastic is because almost every black flashlight is marketed as “tactical” regardless of features.
@Kevfin I realize that. Long ago, I bought a couple aluminum bodied, 3 D cell flashlights with 1 Watt LEDs. They had constant current power supplies, so they stayed the same brightness as the battery aged. They weren’t “tactical”, they didn’t have the added injury feature around the lens.
I picked them up surplus, but don’t remember where. I can’t find the complete one now to take a picture. I took one apart to make a spot light for close-up work. Not sure where that is now. I upgraded to dental lights.
I kept the machined aluminum tube in case I needed one. I am still using that. I cut the ends off, and kept the part that was smooth on the inside. There is nothing for a mouse to grab on. The tube is suspended in the middle of a bucket on a mouse proof piece of hardware cloth. Mice can go down the tube, but they can’t get back up. There are some triscuits with peanut butter down there. That attracts one mouse, then that mouse calls for his friends. I will post a picture shortly.
@Kevfin
If the picture shows up you can see the fragment of the non-tactical flashlight in the center of the usually nonlethal mousetrap. It is hard to see, but there is a ramp for easier mouse access on the right side. The black elastic cord with the black ball holds the lid on. Mice can generate a surprising amount of force if they are trying to get out, so I had to strap the top down.
The smell of the peanut butter goes right through the hardware cloth, but mice can’t chew through the steel. The mouse trap is only lethal if I forget to check it often enough. That is a bad thing. The smell of dead mice scares mice away. I replace the bucket, rather than try to clean it out.
I release the mice in a field with lots of predators. I don’t mind mice dying, I just don’t want them to die in the trap. I also don’t want them living in my basement.
I removed a mouse yesterday, there isn’t another there yet. It is unlikely, but possible that that was the last mouse.
@Kevfin And yes it is gross, but I do leave the mouse droppings in the trap. Mice are attracted to the smell of mice eating. That smell is in the droppings.
@hamjudo One of the best home made mouse traps I’ve seen. I find it ironic that the picture shows a cat liter tub –
@hamjudo @Kevfin that’s actually a pretty cool makeshift trap! And yeah, it’s amusing to me that it’s fashioned from a cat litter bucket. XD
Question… the picture of the 300L light on the homepage is black, but on the order page it’s red. So… is this thing I bought gonna be black or red?
@cpierce the one on the order page that is red says 500 lumens also. I suspect it’s the black on we will receive, but I will not complain if they send me the red 500 lumen model.
These ones aren’t even shaped like a bat! I’ll pass…
@bramby2 I ordered the bat flashlight on MEH…to be honest, I was pretty impressed with it…unbelievable floodlight out of that thing.
/giphy average mainstream fog
really tempted…but can’t get over the fact that I have to spend 5 bucks in batteries for the big one…rather spend 35 bucks and go for the maglite with c or d cells…
Ohmergerd I got soooo many flashlights!
can someone who knows about flashlights tell me if this is good if it’s the only flashlight I’m ever gonna buy?
@flooners I have the big one. It’s a good flashlight. No problems with it at all. Very bright and enough heft to injure someone should you choose to use it as a weapon.
A few years ago, I decided I wanted to get two decent flashlights: one for the house, one for the car. After looking through a bunch (including higher end ones from Surefire, Fenix, and Streamlight) I ended up getting two Maglites: an XL50 and an XL200.
Both run on 3x AAAs, so I got two 4-packs of Eneloops and charge all six at once (the extra two are in a BT mouse). They share a form factor that fits nicely in my hand and is easy to pack. The 50 has nearly seven hours of runtime on high. The 200 has manually-adjustable brightness across its entire spectrum.
I think they’re a nice balance between cost and quality; you can get both and the batteries for less than the cost of one “tactical” model from the brands I mentioned earlier.
i got similar story: A few years ago, I decided I wanted to get two decent flashlights.
now I have 50. same with meh/woot knives
Meh.com selling a product with good Amazon reviews?!?!?! I am proud of you Meh. You’re all grows up!
@goldnectar It’s a trick! Don’t be fooled!!
The specs give the same run time for both flashlights. That doesn’t make sense.
An Amazon seller had this line in the description for the big flashlight.
It comes with 9AA batteries, so it’s bright from the box, and can run for 4.5 hours on high, or 35 hours on low for long-lasting, reliable light.
The run time suggests that there is less than an ideal DC-DC convertor. With equally efficient conversions, the batteries should last slightly more than 10 times as long, if they are putting out 1/10 the power. I suspect that the DC-DC convertor is wasting 10 hours of battery life when it is powering the LED at the 75 lumen level. Either that, or the LED becomes much less efficient at 10% power. Or rather, to get 10% of the light, they need to put in 14% of the power.
This flashlight is as brite as it gets, at 400 ft it lights up the area you have in mind. I highly recommend if it turns up again very impressed with this item at this price BUY!!!
UPDATE!!!,The battery pack (9) is a giant pain in the azz, you have to pull the batteries out after removing 3 screws very small screws and the thing that holds the batterys in place collapses and it’s nearly impossible to put it back together, really bad design if you don’t have patience do not buy one, another item of interest the flashlight has turned itself on at least 4 times so I have to watch where I lay it down, FIRE HAZARD LIFE+GEAR DOES NOT SELL THIS ITEM ANYMORE QUITE A FEW FLAWS INDEED.!!! All that being said its 12 volts+and this thing lights up stop signs a mile away,scary bright.