Well actually he didn’t really travel in the same circles as i did but his daughter was in Boston about the same time as I but again we didn’t travel in the same circles.
@cranky1950 I don’t get it. That wasn’t Jack Paar introducing Woody Allen? (And that show aired just a few years before I was born, so no, I don’t remember seeing it.)
@sammydog01 Woody Allen was just doing a stand-up here. I don’t know what I’m missing…
I was about 10 years old when the last show was on & don’t remember a lot about the Jack Parr show. I’m sure we watched it, as there were only 3 channels to choose from.
@DennisG2014 You never saw Jack Parr deliver a a monologue. Woody was never that exuberant, or interrupted his own stories to start another, and the hands.
@cranky1950 If that was intended to be an impersonation (of anyone other than Woody himself), it was a pretty poor one.
Looks the same as every other old Woody Allen stand up routine I’ve ever seen…
Not trying to argue, I’m just not seeing it.
From the pic in the forum menu I thought this was about the infamous 1975 Sears catalog photo of an underwear model with his willie peeking out. 40 years later and I still remember us kids having a heyday with that. There’s even a song about it.
@RiotDemon Yeah, I know it’s been debunked. But at the time everybody (a huge number of homes had a Sears catalog) thought it was a huge gaffe. It was premium chatter for weeks. Remember, this is before the internet, you had to really go out of your way to see male nudity in media.
@moondrake I had never heard about this until you mentioned it. Pretty interesting stuff. The hype around it does seem bizarre to me since I’ve had the internet since I was a teen, especially because you can’t really see anything in that photo.
@RiotDemon Until the internet, many women’s first glimpse of male genitalia was during their first foray into sex, in many cases on their wedding night. Sex ed was pretty rare, so it entirely depended on how forthright her parents were in the “birds and bees” talk as to whether the girl had any idea what was going on. It was really an unfair playing field, as men and boys could get skin mags at the corner drugstore, and I expect fathers were more direct with sons regarding the specifics of sex. Many people felt “teaching” the wife about sex was the husband’s duty and privilege. Modern women start out with so much greater ownership of their sexuality.
@f00l With moving every few months and always being the new kid, I wasn’t on the inside of any of that. I remember going to a drive in double feature with my parents when I was in 1st grade. The first film was family friendly, the second was The Graduate. I was supposed to be asleep but I watched it between the seats thinking, “Now I’m going to learn some stuff!”
@moondrake The college I went to put a sex booklet in the freshman orientation package. It had a bright pink cover and was very educational. Also back then the on campus movie on registration day was a triple X porno. I learned a lot more that night.
@sammydog01
Aren’t you way younger than me? You saw your first XXX in college?
MIT put out sex ed booklets? Good for them. My college didn’t. But I doubt the college thought anyone needed them. This was the era of Our Bodies, Our Selves. I never met anyone in my college who needed any sex ed or deasease or contraception info. Ever.
By the time kids left HS, everyone (the young, I mean) just assumed that, unless your family background was incredibly conservative, you were completely conversant with sex, drugs, and rock and roll. And your parents prob didn’t have any kind of clue.
In my elementary school (early 60’s), everyone whispered about it, plus there were the very educational paintings under the bridges in the parks, down by the creeks.
The park service didn’t mow down there, so only the kids knew about the paintings. I kinda bet those paintings are still there. I gotta go look someday.
Plus there was a bit of “show and tell” during recess. Plus lots of kids had brothers and sisters growing up, and most kids spent times in the summer here and there on farms. If your family didn’t have a farm somewhere, some friend of yours took you out to their grandparent’s farm or something. I thing very few kids in public school didn’t know this stuff. Plus plenty of kids had gotten glimpses of their parents.
Plus everyone knew where the local family playboys stashes were.
It’s kinda funny this comes up now, this week, as the Colonial Invitational Golf Tourney is in town this week. In the old days, various very very wealthy club members used to park high-end RV’s at the club during the Tourney for private parties. At one end of the RV, they’d have a few TV’s with the ABC raw wild feeds of the golf tournament.
(This includes the notorious raw footage of what went on during the tournament, down by the trees at the river in the area furthest from the clubhouse. It usually involved a few pro golfers or their entourage, their wives or gf’s and hangers-on, plus a bunch of very rich local members of the “wild crowd” plus a few celebs. The ABC camera crews were on the watch for that, and got a bunch of it on camera. And all that was shown live in these rich people RV’s, they liked that better than the golf. There were some pretty locally famous very big $ names involved.)
The ABC camera and broadcast and tech crews cooperated with the millionaires and gave them the live feeds, and the millionaires made sure the ABC camera and tech and broadcast crews had a great time while in town.
At the other end of the RV would be another set of TV’s. these ran stag party films on a loop. In the old days when I was a kid, it was Candy Barr type black and white films. Later on, the zillionaires got copies on Debbie Does Dallas and Deep Throat and The Devil in Miss Jones for Tourney week.
Many of us kids hung out at the club all week during the Tourney, cause our parents knew where we were that way, we could run around and not get into too much trouble. We could sign for cokes and sandwiches. We never were allowed into the party RV’s of course, or down by the river in the far back, there was security there, but we all knew what was showing on the screens on the party RV’s. everyone knew. People joked openly about it. Tourney week in FW is kinda a local “Peyton Place” week, for some of the very very rich. Has been that way since WWII, more or less.
Apart from that, one kid’s dad had copies of some of the old stag films. When his parents were out late, after we had outgrown baby-sitters, we would go to his house and he would setup and run the films for us.
There were adult theaters downtown in FW, but we couldn’t get into them. But … a few fake ids … we passed those around … we would caravan over to Dallas to the downtown adult theaters there. I used to raid Mom’s closet, I was convinced her clothes made me look older. That was the only time I ever borrowed her clothes! She thought we were going to a nice restaurant.
Ha ha ha. I looked 14 or 15. But the operators didn’t care as long as we had ids. They would let us in. So by the time of my 16th birthday I had seen all the big name porn films I mentioned above and a few more.
And we had half-decent sex ed in school, about age 12. They didn’t show porn, and they separated us by gender - it was all taught by the coaches and PE teachers. But there were plenty of charts and diagrams. And they, to their credit, went into reasonable detail about contraception. So everyone knew.
By high school, tho the parents didn’t know it, everyone who was part of a couple and wanted to have sex was having sex. With contraception, AFAIK. You could get contraception from a few cooperating MD’s, or perhaps from just using the condom machines in the gas stations. And it was just taken for granted. What the parents didn’t know, so we thought, wouldn’t hurt them.
The widespread hypocrisy and silence between the generations, and the rampant sexist and sometimes other outmoded attitudes of many of our parents, made for a generational communications unbridgeable gulf that did some considerable damage. We grew up in a world our parents barely understood. We didn’t understand their world.
And we and they fought and fought and fought, and defined things hard-edged, with little opportunity for compromise or understanding.
But we managed to get the raw knowledge we wanted. Not ideal, but you do what you gotta do.
The biggest damage to many of most of the kids - and plenty of the older generations - was emotional. Some serious bad stuff. For many many people.
Some of it still isn’t fixed or healed yet. We had no clue how to heal those things then. Neither did our parents.
@f00l Wow. Maybe it was that way at my school but not for friendless nerds like me. Most of the freshman in college were undereducated too- it was a nerdy place. My roommate and I went together to see “Barbara Broadcast” the first week of school. I had no idea. OMG.
@sammydog01
Nerds knew everything. Even friendless nerds. Everyone was hanging out in some conformist or rad group, even if you never spoke.
The only people I knew who didn’t do this were from really conservative households. Even if you never said a words, you got invited along places.
In the era before the PC, the car was about the same as intellectual freedom. So we chased it.
Not everyone had seen xxx films. Plenty of people didn’t want to. But they knew what went on.
Perhaps it helped that our sex ed was designed before the very conservative religious right tried to take it over and redo everything. So we actually got useful info.
@cranky1950 You mean actually know personally?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh no
@cranky1950 Well then say so.
I’m just saying, if you actually knew, well then you would be one old coot.
Well actually he didn’t really travel in the same circles as i did but his daughter was in Boston about the same time as I but again we didn’t travel in the same circles.
@cranky1950 his daughter or wife? wait that’s confusing, right?
I know who Alan Funt was if that counts.
@sammydog01 I’m sure it counts for something
@sammydog01 Alan Funt
got to bedeveloped into a really nasty, dirty old man, much worse than some.@therealjrn I just watched Candid Camera- I didn’t work with him.
TV has always been in color. So I guess I’m a whippersnapper.
@RiotDemon The show was in color, just that was just a B&W tape.
@cranky1950 Bingo.
@RiotDemon I’d be very surprised if this show was taped in color. It was an expensive process back then for a very limited market.
So who was he impersonating?
@sammydog01 Jack Parr
@cranky1950 I don’t get it. That wasn’t Jack Paar introducing Woody Allen? (And that show aired just a few years before I was born, so no, I don’t remember seeing it.)
@sammydog01 Woody Allen was just doing a stand-up here. I don’t know what I’m missing…
I was about 10 years old when the last show was on & don’t remember a lot about the Jack Parr show. I’m sure we watched it, as there were only 3 channels to choose from.
@cranky1950 ??? That was Jack Parr introducing Woody Allen… I saw no impersonation.
@DennisG2014 You never saw Jack Parr deliver a a monologue. Woody was never that exuberant, or interrupted his own stories to start another, and the hands.
@cranky1950 If that was intended to be an impersonation (of anyone other than Woody himself), it was a pretty poor one.
Looks the same as every other old Woody Allen stand up routine I’ve ever seen…
Not trying to argue, I’m just not seeing it.
Radio hasn’t been the same without Jack Parr.
I’m just here for the banner picture.
@heartny Me too!
@heartny Right? I thought this was somehow going to be about crotches being a thing of the past. Glad they’re not.
Oh the days before he married his daughter
@candiedisilvio1
Stepdaughter, sorta, technically.
That makes it so much better, esp, since it wasn’t clear that she was legally an adult at the time.
Yeah.
@cranky1950
Honestly, fuck you.
BTW, I’m old.
@f00l Nah Nah
@cranky1950 I am clueless!!!
From the pic in the forum menu I thought this was about the infamous 1975 Sears catalog photo of an underwear model with his willie peeking out. 40 years later and I still remember us kids having a heyday with that. There’s even a song about it.
@moondrake
http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/the_man_on_page_602
@RiotDemon Yeah, I know it’s been debunked. But at the time everybody (a huge number of homes had a Sears catalog) thought it was a huge gaffe. It was premium chatter for weeks. Remember, this is before the internet, you had to really go out of your way to see male nudity in media.
@moondrake I had never heard about this until you mentioned it. Pretty interesting stuff. The hype around it does seem bizarre to me since I’ve had the internet since I was a teen, especially because you can’t really see anything in that photo.
@RiotDemon Until the internet, many women’s first glimpse of male genitalia was during their first foray into sex, in many cases on their wedding night. Sex ed was pretty rare, so it entirely depended on how forthright her parents were in the “birds and bees” talk as to whether the girl had any idea what was going on. It was really an unfair playing field, as men and boys could get skin mags at the corner drugstore, and I expect fathers were more direct with sons regarding the specifics of sex. Many people felt “teaching” the wife about sex was the husband’s duty and privilege. Modern women start out with so much greater ownership of their sexuality.
@moondrake
It completely gives me the creeps to think about how things were done. But that was more Mom’s generation and before.
Everyone my age I know had “very informal sex ed” in early elementary school.
/youtube I heard it through the grapevine
@f00l With moving every few months and always being the new kid, I wasn’t on the inside of any of that. I remember going to a drive in double feature with my parents when I was in 1st grade. The first film was family friendly, the second was The Graduate. I was supposed to be asleep but I watched it between the seats thinking, “Now I’m going to learn some stuff!”
@moondrake The college I went to put a sex booklet in the freshman orientation package. It had a bright pink cover and was very educational. Also back then the on campus movie on registration day was a triple X porno. I learned a lot more that night.
@sammydog01
Aren’t you way younger than me? You saw your first XXX in college?
MIT put out sex ed booklets? Good for them. My college didn’t. But I doubt the college thought anyone needed them. This was the era of Our Bodies, Our Selves. I never met anyone in my college who needed any sex ed or deasease or contraception info. Ever.
By the time kids left HS, everyone (the young, I mean) just assumed that, unless your family background was incredibly conservative, you were completely conversant with sex, drugs, and rock and roll. And your parents prob didn’t have any kind of clue.
In my elementary school (early 60’s), everyone whispered about it, plus there were the very educational paintings under the bridges in the parks, down by the creeks.
The park service didn’t mow down there, so only the kids knew about the paintings. I kinda bet those paintings are still there. I gotta go look someday.
Plus there was a bit of “show and tell” during recess. Plus lots of kids had brothers and sisters growing up, and most kids spent times in the summer here and there on farms. If your family didn’t have a farm somewhere, some friend of yours took you out to their grandparent’s farm or something. I thing very few kids in public school didn’t know this stuff. Plus plenty of kids had gotten glimpses of their parents.
Plus everyone knew where the local family playboys stashes were.
It’s kinda funny this comes up now, this week, as the Colonial Invitational Golf Tourney is in town this week. In the old days, various very very wealthy club members used to park high-end RV’s at the club during the Tourney for private parties. At one end of the RV, they’d have a few TV’s with the ABC raw wild feeds of the golf tournament.
(This includes the notorious raw footage of what went on during the tournament, down by the trees at the river in the area furthest from the clubhouse. It usually involved a few pro golfers or their entourage, their wives or gf’s and hangers-on, plus a bunch of very rich local members of the “wild crowd” plus a few celebs. The ABC camera crews were on the watch for that, and got a bunch of it on camera. And all that was shown live in these rich people RV’s, they liked that better than the golf. There were some pretty locally famous very big $ names involved.)
The ABC camera and broadcast and tech crews cooperated with the millionaires and gave them the live feeds, and the millionaires made sure the ABC camera and tech and broadcast crews had a great time while in town.
At the other end of the RV would be another set of TV’s. these ran stag party films on a loop. In the old days when I was a kid, it was Candy Barr type black and white films. Later on, the zillionaires got copies on Debbie Does Dallas and Deep Throat and The Devil in Miss Jones for Tourney week.
Many of us kids hung out at the club all week during the Tourney, cause our parents knew where we were that way, we could run around and not get into too much trouble. We could sign for cokes and sandwiches. We never were allowed into the party RV’s of course, or down by the river in the far back, there was security there, but we all knew what was showing on the screens on the party RV’s. everyone knew. People joked openly about it. Tourney week in FW is kinda a local “Peyton Place” week, for some of the very very rich. Has been that way since WWII, more or less.
Apart from that, one kid’s dad had copies of some of the old stag films. When his parents were out late, after we had outgrown baby-sitters, we would go to his house and he would setup and run the films for us.
There were adult theaters downtown in FW, but we couldn’t get into them. But … a few fake ids … we passed those around … we would caravan over to Dallas to the downtown adult theaters there. I used to raid Mom’s closet, I was convinced her clothes made me look older. That was the only time I ever borrowed her clothes! She thought we were going to a nice restaurant.
Ha ha ha. I looked 14 or 15. But the operators didn’t care as long as we had ids. They would let us in. So by the time of my 16th birthday I had seen all the big name porn films I mentioned above and a few more.
And we had half-decent sex ed in school, about age 12. They didn’t show porn, and they separated us by gender - it was all taught by the coaches and PE teachers. But there were plenty of charts and diagrams. And they, to their credit, went into reasonable detail about contraception. So everyone knew.
By high school, tho the parents didn’t know it, everyone who was part of a couple and wanted to have sex was having sex. With contraception, AFAIK. You could get contraception from a few cooperating MD’s, or perhaps from just using the condom machines in the gas stations. And it was just taken for granted. What the parents didn’t know, so we thought, wouldn’t hurt them.
The widespread hypocrisy and silence between the generations, and the rampant sexist and sometimes other outmoded attitudes of many of our parents, made for a generational communications unbridgeable gulf that did some considerable damage. We grew up in a world our parents barely understood. We didn’t understand their world.
And we and they fought and fought and fought, and defined things hard-edged, with little opportunity for compromise or understanding.
But we managed to get the raw knowledge we wanted. Not ideal, but you do what you gotta do.
The biggest damage to many of most of the kids - and plenty of the older generations - was emotional. Some serious bad stuff. For many many people.
Some of it still isn’t fixed or healed yet. We had no clue how to heal those things then. Neither did our parents.
@f00l Wow. Maybe it was that way at my school but not for friendless nerds like me. Most of the freshman in college were undereducated too- it was a nerdy place. My roommate and I went together to see “Barbara Broadcast” the first week of school. I had no idea. OMG.
And I think I’m within a decade of you.
@sammydog01
Nerds knew everything. Even friendless nerds. Everyone was hanging out in some conformist or rad group, even if you never spoke.
The only people I knew who didn’t do this were from really conservative households. Even if you never said a words, you got invited along places.
In the era before the PC, the car was about the same as intellectual freedom. So we chased it.
Not everyone had seen xxx films. Plenty of people didn’t want to. But they knew what went on.
Perhaps it helped that our sex ed was designed before the very conservative religious right tried to take it over and redo everything. So we actually got useful info.