I don't need a GoFundMe

@unksol do you see where you went wrong…

@tinamarie1974 if we are playing reverse psychology sure. And that was only said to clarify an example picture used was not mine but belonged to an actual goat who earned the honor.

I don’t think that should sadle me with November 2020. I might have to hide the rest of the month now so everyone forgets I exist

And goats don’t like sadels

@unksol you should know I said no over and over. I tried no means no. Did NOT work.

@tinamarie1974 gee thanks now I can have nightmares about being chased by a vengeful herd of dead/zombie goats

@tinamarie1974 @unksol Well people have been warned so if they proceed it’s on them… We’ve had ghost goats before.
/image ghost goat

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 I remember… I’m not saying I wouldn’t make some sad attempt against my will if forced into it. But. Seriously. We just kinda shut down the political BS. And that’s all November is going to be. Which is sooooo depressing. That whole month is going to be hell

@Kidsandliz @unksol I may go in hiding for the month to avoid it!!

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 @unksol

That whole month is going to be hell

As opposed to the rest of 2020

@Kidsandliz @mehcuda67 @tinamarie1974

Well… worse. Cause all that political BS we got people to stop is probably going to ramp up with the results of the election and mail in ballots being counted and conspiracy theories and just… Nonsense. I really really would like to be proved wrong. And just see pet photos.

@unksol

You would be s great goat.

I would suggest that any goat for Nov2020 refuse to respond to, and ignore, any political remarks,
except to ask the VolMods that those remarks be removed from the Goat Blame topic and placed in some fireproof topic of their own.

@f00l @unksol
+1

@unksol My husband told me last night that this coming year, he’s pulling his advertising from a forum because they don’t keep a lid on the political crap. The forum owners are Canadian.

The back and forth bickering is just too much for him. Of course, they’ll ask why he’s not renewing and he’ll tell them. Poor moderation.

@lisaviolet @unksol

This forum has always been pretty open and permissive about opinion statements

In the old days political discussions could stay civil but that’s not been the case during recent years

I can live with the political posts even the horrible ones if they stay inside their own topics and the topics are marked as political
then easy to avoid.

@f00l I remember when “agree to disagree” was a real thing.

@Kidsandliz @mehcuda67 @tinamarie1974 @unksol

I really really would like to be proved wrong. And just see pet photos.

Around here that’s what we call a “volunteer”.

Pet pics in November, from unksol the goat!

Aw, now it comes into focus…

@cinoclav @lisaviolet I might feel better if that GoFundMe account was in the name of the person that needed help but it’s not for some reason.

@cinoclav @lisaviolet @sammydog01

It would be better if the particular very recent fundraising appeal
(the fund for the person who was a fire victim, this person has my full sympathy)
didn’t break GoFundMe’s own rules; rules stated on GoFundMe’s site.

@cinoclav @f00l @sammydog01 I didn’t follow the thread, got my hands full here at home (elderly cats).

But maybe people could just ignore it like we’re supposed to ignore the political crap. Yanno?

@f00l @lisaviolet @sammydog01 It’s pretty clear the person that GoFundMe was started for has essentially nothing to his name. Most GoFundMe’s are not started by the person they are meant for. They are started by someone who cares enough to try and help them but are not able to do it themselves. The endless attacks have gotten really old. Not to mention, it’s simply bullying at this point. This reminds me of the time when I was 10 and I had to go save the nice, quiet kid down the street from the other kids in the neighborhood who wanted to beat him up just because he was different from them. Stop acting like a bunch of 10 year olds and grow the fuck up already.

@f00l - What rule is being broken?

@f00l I’d really like to know what rule is being broken. I looked at their terms and I see absolutely nothing wrong, so please enlighten me. You’re welcome to whisper it if you’d like.

@cinoclav

Been away from the forum for a bit.

GoFundMe states on the site that the full and correct name of the person opening the fundraiser must be used. I don’t have their language in front of me, butvi remember it being stated as a “no exceptions” sort of thing.

In any public fundraising venture, esp a non-audited or non-publicly verifiable one, it’s possible for persons who wish to, or who feel justified in doing so, to game the system, or to game people’s sympathies, or to rely on other minor or major omissions or distortions.

I suppose GoFundMe makes the “real name” rule in order to make this sort of poor conduct easier to monitor. I don’t know. That’s the rule they give. I don’t know anything about their detection and monitoring systems.
Obviously such a platform can be subject to attempted misuse.

I believe that person (the creator of each fundraiser) also sets up the means of withdrawing funds, according to their prefs during fundraiser setup.

In that case, perhaps it is a GoFundMe requirement that the name on the fundraiser is supposed to match the name in whatever account those funds might be withdrawn to.
I don’t know for sure; I’ve never done a GoFundMe and have not dug into their security reqs.

I don’t think that “real name” rule is being followed in this fundraiser.

It the person who started the fundraiser doesn’t feel comfortable following this rule, it might have been better if the recipient had set up the fundraiser himself (since his name is already public in the description etc)
Or perhaps someone who felt comfortable using a real name could have setup the fundraiser for the recipient.

From the look of the GoFundMe site, I’m guessing that campaigns can be created with access to a cell phone. (I’ve not tested).
In that case I would imagine that the eventual recipient could have setup his own fundraiser. Even if he lost his phone in the fire and had to borrow a phone/tablet/computer.

For withdrawal purposes: most people, even the v poor, have access to a bank or credit union account, or a pre-funded debit card (such as NetSpend), or PayPal or Venmo or Zelle (thru a bank or cu) or some other means of withdrawing donated funds.

I do hope this individual is able to put his life back together.

@cinoclav @f00l I have explicit permission from gofundme to use the shortened version of my last name. They have my full last name. I got that permission prior to even setting up my own cancer gofundme. The reason why I am doing that is in job searches I don’t want the fact that I have cancer to come up. That makes it so much harder to get a job. Gofundme’s come up in google searches. In my profession they search. As a result they gave me permission.

Donated funds use wepay to pay out the money directly, and only, to a bank account. This gofundme was set up per Albert’s wishes. He is stressed out, grieving and overwhelmed. I tried to get him to set one up himself and then set up a wepay account, etc. I told him I’d walk him through it. He wanted me to do it for him and take care of it. That you don’t like his choices is irrelevant.

Rules for distribution of funds
https://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001992767-How-do-I-Withdraw-Money-

@cinoclav @Kidsandliz

Given that not only universities, but also every large corp and every large placement and temp agency also do google searches when considering a permanent or temp hire:
Is your special “real name” exception available to everyone who needs to raise funds, yet would possibly or certainly suffer bad effects re their job searches or careers?

[Since certain forms of personal “bad news” (health, certain sorts of personal or family problems, etc) can have a bad impact on many or most career prospects, even within what we think of as “entry level” hiring]

Many or most jobs are sensitive to this. Certainly most professional and manager jobs are.

Also, how does fundraising for a verifiable fire victim negatively impact an academic job search?

@f00l So your only real issue is that she has not used her full last name while setting up an account in order to help other people. Pardon me for saying so, but that’s a really lousy reason for people to endlessly bully her. If GoFundMe has an issue with it, especially in regards to withdrawing the funds, it’s up to them to handle it. Considering what she’s been put through I honestly can’t say I blame her for trying to maintain a little privacy. I feel that the basis of this group attacking her is a disbelief that she’s legitimately helping anyone but herself. That’s shameful. What will it take for this bullshit to stop? She can post whatever evidence she has for proof once the money is forwarded to this unfortunate gentleman.

As for this individual setting up his own campaign, might you have considered that he doesn’t want to, for a variety of reasons. Sometimes simple pride prevents people from asking for help. More often, embarrassment holds us back.

Honestly, this entire situation here is contemptible and those involved should be ashamed of their behavior as grown adults.

@f00l @Kidsandliz As you recall, she had a prior GoFundMe that discussed her cancer battles. It’s the same account being used for other funding she has set up. In turn, while this particular GoFundMe is irrelevant to her job hunting, it’s the connection to the prior campaign that is a legitimate issue. If you don’t think a large majority of companies have biases in their hiring processes, you’re definitely fooling yourself…

@sammydog01 I rarely see GoFundMe campaigns set up by the intended recipient. They are almost always set up by friends or family members. You’re looking for trouble where it doesn’t exist.

@cinoclav @Kidsandliz

If the special onsiderations she gives for not using her real name are justified, they, I would hope, ought to be available to everyone so affected.

Which means at least 2/3 of the people who might seek work or a promotion in this country, at a wild guess.

Unfortunate circumstances that would show up on Google (re health or family or legal/finsncisl issues etc), and that could result in not being hired or promoted, can impact most of our careers and work. .

I like and respect you, so I’m sorry to find that you have a terrible opinion of me now. But that doesn’t make you right and me evil or whatever.

We differ. I’m not just simply mean.

Once upon a time I might have agreed with you.

I do assume the current fundraiser is legit. Tho I would have preferred it follow all the site rules there to the letter.

As for the rest … She’s not bullied, tho she likes to claim so.

And it might appear so to those who have not carefully reviewed her conduct over a span of time. (As I did one sad weekend which, clarified things for me somewhat).

Actually, I was first warned about her on Woot, long before I was even a regular poster here. By someone who never interacts w her (if it can be helped), due to trust issues.
I did not believe it at the time, or for years.

I’ve been warned about her by several persons who have never publicly criticised her. It took me a long time there also.

I had to see for my own eyes. I resisted; there was much I liked about her. Until I finally forced self into a long careful reading.

I’ve been told (by the persons) that her conduct was some portion of the reason as to why several formerly regular posters don’t want to visit anymore.
These persons never spoke up about her publicly either afaik.

So it’s all something that a number of poeple are troubled by.
Including, if a rumor passed to me a quite a while back [by someone who has no account here] is true,
some of the high ups at Meh might be troubled.
Or not. I’ve no real knowledge.

I hope so. Taken in full and viewed from above, it doesn’t seem pretty at all to me.

In any case, it’s hardly a question of some people just being mean to someone who’s had a hard time.

There are quite a few people who are troubled. I would think, mostly, people who are very quick to notice certain forms of “nice” conduct that are sometimes used for other purposes.

If you can’t see what some of us see, I’d ask that you at least consider that we might be trying to act honorably in a difficult situation,
and that we have little or nothing to gain from being seen by some we respect and like (you?) as horrible people.

@cinoclav @f00l I have never been part of the woot social community. I posted a few things on a couple of product threads when I was considering buying something but that is it. You have me confused with someone else.

@cinoclav @Kidsandliz

I don’t have you confused with someone else.
You didn’t read carefully?
I never claimed or implied you posted at woot.

Back on the days before Meh had a whisper system, when I had just started posting on Meh, as Deals.Woot was going to hell, I had some Woot pm conversations going on woot with more than one person who were active both places.

There was no way at the time to have a private conversation on Meh. The conversations which mentioned you happened within these PM’s. By persons who were all giving up on Deals.Woot and thinking of going to Meh.

I didn’t bring you up in these PM’s. I was surprised at the mentions/warnings.

@f00l I’ve already addressed a lot of this previously so I’m not going to rehash it. I never saw you as part of the problem and you’re not my enemy. Regardless of what anyone has said, be it truth or lies, it’s time to move on. Whatever issues the group here or on woot (fuck woot and everything about it btw), has had, there is no reason for this harassment to continue.

As for the rest … She’s not bullied, tho she likes to claim so.

Yes, she is. None of this has anything to do with me. But I see it and I’m speaking up for the masses. As you can tell, so has @Kyeh, who made that perfectly clear in the blame thread. I think if you polled everyone on this site right now, a lot more people would point at jrn as a much bigger troublemaker than kidsandliz. She has her flaws, we all do. If she does something truly wrong and deserving anyone to speak up, then do so. But for the time being, once again, it’s time for everyone to give it a break. It’s time for the snide, backhanded remarks to stop. It’s just time for people to grow up and shut up.

@cinoclav @Kyeh

I’m sorry. I know you can’t see it.

Almost certainly everyone relatively new to the site is going to agree with you.

The problem is a long-standing many years pattern of what appears to many of us to be manipulative behavior. Perhaps that wouldn’t matter much, except that goes beyond that in the long run

When you speak of people needing to grow up, you are being unjust to them. they did not speak up lightly or to get applause.

I grant your point of view. I understand it, since I shared it for so long.

Hope you will grant same to people whose posts you don’t like on this topic.

@f00l It won’t do any good to continue this conversation. @Kyeh is a n00b who believes everything that Kidsandliz says, just as you mostly did at one time. And @cinoclav is on his high horse, protecting Kidsandliz. Why? I don’t know except that she talks a good talk, covers her tracks well, and then gives a pretty damn good, “pity poor little me, I’m being bullied” spiel all over the forum.

@f00l you’ve done a very good job here today. Now all we can do is wait. You know what I mean.

@f00l I’ve been here through all of it. Not to sound conceited, but I am both intelligent and insightful. I sat back and watched it quietly. I’ve had my own personal opinions on all of it, some of which I may agree with you and others in which I do not. All are essentially irrelevant to the issue at hand. At this point, the only ones that care about the past are those of you still posting about it. You’re not going to change the past, you’re only going to damage the future. When you talk about people not coming to this site because of her, that’s their loss, not to mention pathetically immature. Unfortunately, what it has turned into is people leaving this site because of what continues.

I think it’s time the moderators here actually speak up and put an end to any of this behavior instead of sitting back and letting it happen.

@Barney @f00l @Kyeh Kyeh has been here for over a year. That’s not exactly a ‘noob.’ Kidsandliz has not come crying to me, there has been no request to stand up for her. What I’ve had to say isn’t even about her personally. What I’m standing up for is the state of this forum. The politics has been damaging enough. The four of you can whisper away about her to whatever end. What happens to any of you isn’t my problem and will have absolutely no impact on my life in the long run. I have my own issues in life to deal with. What happens to a site that was once thoroughly enjoyable without any infighting is my concern. This has been an escape from the real world for many of us and this utter bullshit is tearing it apart. Get it?

@cinoclav I get it, but you don’t. Didn’t I just ask @f00l to stop, or do I have to write it in purple crayon to get my point across? I’m done. I’ve tried. I’m tired of being the bad guy for trying to protect the members of this forum from losing some of their hard earned monies.

So it’s over. You all win. Are you happy? Because a lot of others are going to end up losing.

@cinoclav

Unless someone else continues this in some obvious way, I’ll drop this now.

I’ll only respond to this comment your most recent post:

If those who dislike and speak up about this member’s conduct weren’t concerned exactly about the future, and the quality of this forum going forward, they and I would all be silent.

@cinoclav @f00l I don’t know about all of this other stuff. As one who has been the topic of gossip many times, in real life, (and it usually got back to me), I don’t put much stock in it.

Kidsandliz is one of the only people I’ve known in my 26 years online that stepped up to the plate to help me out. Well, not me, but three cats who had been dumped at a kill shelter back east after their owner died. The woman’s niece took her dogs, the woman’s brother dumped the cats without trying to find them a home.

Kidsandliz got them pulled from the shelter and into a rescue, Angels of Assisi where they would live, loved either at the rescue or in foster care until they found homes. If no one adopted them, they still had a home. She never asked for money or any type of compensation. With her help, I spoke with both the shelter and the rescue, to make sure the cats were well taken care of.

A lot of people had sympathy for the situation, but she took action.

I will never forget that.

@lisaviolet

I am glad she did that for you and for these animals… Rescue is a big interest in her life, and I’m glad her actions led to a successful result.

@Barney @f00l No one wants to read between the lines. If you have damning evidence, share it. Break it down step by step. If it’s factually true and proven, I and everyone else will be made aware of the issues at hand. Then we can all say, “Holy shit - Kidsandliz is actually a horrible person!” But you’d better be 100% sure you’re right because if you’re not, you’re wide open to a libel suit.

If people want to donate to any cause, it’s their choice. If GoFundMe determines something is fraudulent, they will refund the money. God knows, most of us have spent way more on utter crap from this site than we would ever worry about losing from a GoFundMe donation.

I’m tired of being the bad guy for trying to protect the members of this forum from losing some of their hard earned monies.

What you’re missing is that none of you are protecting anyone. The only comments ever seen are personal attacks. It’s doing the exact opposite of what you think you’re doing. As for your not so subtle “you’ve done a very good job here today. Now all we can do is wait. You know what I mean.” I think there have been enough comments here to assume one of you has contacted GoFundMe with your concerns. Guess we’ll see what they have to say.

@cinoclav Yanno, I’ll be 67 on Friday. Life is too short for this type of shit. I’m too old for this type of shit. High school was 49 years ago.

I’m really disappointed in some of the actors here. Really, really disappointed. Not that my disappointment matters to anyone but me, but…just damn.

Once, when we were at a shopping mall (I think in a shoe store), there was chatting going on while we waited. And someone mentioned how someone had stolen all of their childrens’ clothes from the dryer at a laundromat. And her take on it? She wasn’t pissed off, she said “they must have needed it more than we do”. She took the high road.

That was a long time ago and I remember it to this day.

@Barney @cinoclav @f00l
I was going to let this drop but apparently you aren’t ready to, so:

But I see it and I’m speaking up for the masses.

Maybe, maybe not.

Not to sound conceited, but I am both intelligent and insightful.

I can’t speak to your intelligence and I won’t comment on whether you’re conceited, but you’re off base about being insightful.

I love this place- a lot of people here are like family to me. I’m a conflict avoider. This wasn’t easy for me. But what you are talking about here is throwing money at a stranger you met on the internet. Let me repeat:

throwing money at a stranger you met on the internet.

People forget that you’re dealing with internet personnas here. For all I know @djslack is a precocious 13 year old and @f00l is a 42 year old man that lives in his mother’s basement.

And that’s all fine until cash payments come into the mix, especially when it’s one specific internet personna that does all the asking and hinting.

So I will continue to remind people that donating money to random people they have never met is a bad idea. And if they want to do it anyway that’s up to them.

@Barney @f00l @sammydog01

And if they want to do it anyway that’s up to them.

Exactly. So stop worrying about it and let people do what they want with their money. I couldn’t care less if sammy buys every last robot toy on earth. That’s her right to do as she sees with her money. Honestly, if I donated $10 to someone because I truly felt they or someone they knew were in need and I never knew they were actually using that money to feed their bizarre monchichi collection, I wouldn’t care. As far as I knew I was helping someone in need and I would be glad I could help a fellow human being.

Here’s a little something that really irritates me about this whole thing. It’s come between a perfectly lovely relationship I’ve had with all three of you. Had this simply been kept private between you and Kidsandliz, none of the rest of us would ever have seen it and nobody would have that unease with each other.

@Barney @f00l @sammydog01 @therealajrn @cinoclav

The collateral damage in all of this is the person who lost his cat and just about everything else he had in a fire. But, of course, that doesn’t even matter to the 4 of you. The overarching goal of bullies, after all, is beat the person they are after to a pulp, run them over with an 18 wheeler, then back it up to make sure they did the job right, and then, move on to their next victim.

With respect to the “as strangers on the internet” comment… of course as strangers on the internet the 4 of you have more credibility than the rest of the strangers on the internet. Got it.

@Barney @cinoclav @djslack @f00l @sammydog01
You are aware the whole purpose of this website is to make ppl lose money on crap they don’t need, right?
Sure, they get tangible crap, or maybe just keep paying $5 a month as they feel the day after they’ll stop will be the day there’ll be that one deal they actually needed and miss out on it, as appose to, say, feeling good as they helped some stranger in need, but, I mean, c’mon…

@Kidsandliz

You made the decision to run thousands of dollars of someone else’s money through your personal bank account with no accountability. If people are fine with that you won’t lose any donations.

And maybe I pissed off some people enough to donate double.

@mwgm Hi. I don’t believe we’ve met, but I’m not sure how I got invited to this particular shitshow.

@mwgm my apologies, I see @sammydog01 tagged me above but I somehow didn’t see a notification about that. I’m a bit overwhelmed what with starting high school, but I can’t wait to get my driver’s license one day!

@Kidsandliz @sammydog01

A couple of years ago one of our online friends lost her daughter. Medical issues from childhood. The daughter was the mother’s life. Mom was an advocate for her daughter.

This family had taken a lot of hits through the years. Her husband was in forced retirement and the money wasn’t coming in. Thank God people were willing to help out.

I volunteered to take donations. I didn’t go through any official donate site because I wanted ALL of the money to go to her, not some business. All funds went to MY paypal account. They were sent via the friends or family option, so no fees were taken. If someone sent it the incorrect way, I added funds to cover the fees. Although I never told anyone I had done this.

How I worked it was I set up a special email account. When someone sent a donation to my paypal, I sent an acknowledgement with a number for that particular donation to the person who donated.

And on a special private facebook page, I would list out “donation from #001 for $5.00” or “#002 for $1000”) and add to the running total.

I did this for the folks who wanted to help, but didn’t have much, there was none of the embarrassment that they might feel (they shouldn’t have felt that way, but people do) that they couldn’t give more. Nobody but me knew what everyone gave.

And the donations were over $4,000. It helped my friends out a ton (they didn’t even have the funds for death certificates or to get their daughter’s ashes released).

She sent me some butterflies her daughter loved and her daughter’s Special Olympic gold medal. It hangs were we can see it everyday.

I’m really happy people trusted me.
Since they only “knew” me from the internet.

@sammydog01 That is how many funds do this for others - totally run by someone else and then the money given to them. That is what Albert wanted to do, despite my best efforts to get him to have it all under his name. You need to take your lack of trust of me up with him. He knows me in real life for several years. You don’t know me in real life. And just like I did with the other two funds for other people (dog graduation gown and cattery people), I will be uploading proof that he got every last penny. There is not thousands of dollars in there. There is $511 at the moment which is, after fees, somewhere in the $490’s.

@djslack I have no idea either, I simply hit the reply, I didn’t check the user handles. My sincerest apology, have a nice day!
edit: I saw the second post. Still, I should have probably checked.

@mwgm my bad, I didn’t figure it out until after the edit window had passed. All is well, you have a good one too.

@djslack @mwgm see - even in the middle of someone else’s argument, people make friends on meh!
/giphy there’s hope for us yet!

@djslack @mwgm @ybmuG Ha ha +1

@Barney @cinoclav @f00l @Kidsandliz @sammydog01 @therealjrn
Anyone who was lurking around the political discussions knows cinoclav and I don’t agree on much. So here I am, much to my surprise BTW, agreeing with him/her (sorry, I really don’t know which) 100% on this topic. You guys need to stop bullying her and back off. Stop with the passive aggressive cheap shots and grow the fuck up. With a few exceptions the political back and forth really wasn’t personal. Most of us on both sides tried to avoid getting personal. It was mostly Orange man bad vs Biden is a do nothing senile swamp rat crook. Back and forth, back and forth. But this feud has gotten personal. So just stop. Ignore each other. Kidsandliz is not trying to raise money for a friend in order to irritate people on this forum. So what happened in the past, stays in the past. Let. it. go.

And by the way @cinoclav

…and the only one that gives a shit anymore is a mole.

That’s Mr. Mehrocco_Mole to you pal.
(It’s my CB handle from the 70s)

@Mehrocco_Mole Nah, you’ll always be ‘mole’ to me. But seriously, thanks for your comments here.
P.S. https://meh.com/forum/topics/show-yourselves#55f860cdff08d41c03118ca2

@Barney @cinoclav @djslack @f00l @sammydog01 Hey, how did this suddenly end up being about Eucopia?

@Barney @cinoclav @djslack @f00l @mossygreen @sammydog01
Eucopia?

@Barney @cinoclav @djslack @f00l @Kyeh @sammydog01 Sorry, it was @jasontoon’s ill-fated monthly subscription box.

@mossygreen Oh, interesting - thanks.

@cinoclav Thanks for this.

Speaking as one of the “suckers,” I am okay with that. I made a choice to give money to a stranger on the internet. I don’t usually, and probably won’t again, but it was a choice I was okay with. If it was a con, then okay, whatever. If it wasn’t a con, then I helped someone a little bit. I feel okay about myself. Also, if the person is a bad person, they aren’t going to feel bad about the snark.

I can’t believe I just had to spend five minutes figuring out which browser would actually let me log in and say this. Going back to lurking again. thanks

Quite a read. Quarantine has made me forget how people who aren’t sleeping together, working together, or family interact. Thanks mates

@Seeds eh, now i feel like an ass having read more carefully. Pretend I was never here.

@cf1 You’re not a sucker at all. You’re an awesome person for helping. We shouldn’t live our lives in fear that we can’t trust a single soul out there. Many people really are good hearted.

POPSOCKETS! COURT DOCKETS! FOLK ROCK HITS! AWESOME!

@cf1 @cinoclav Albert got his money today. I have photos. I just need to send them to my email, download them to my computer then upload them to here (and the gofundme page) and then to also upload the proof (screenshot from gofundme) that he got the entire amount. He was really grateful. I appreciate the folks who donated to help him out.

@Kidsandliz Awesome!

POPSOCKETS! SPA KITS! POLLY POCKETS! AWESOME!

I’ve been “sucking it up” for decades, @cranky1950.

I’ve been rubbing some dirt in it and walking it off for years.

I’m tired man, I’m tired boss.

@cranky1950 @therealjrn

@cranky1950 @therealjrn @tinamarie1974

Tired? Someone is tired?

Time for Most Excellent Cliche Post

/youtube Madeline Kahn I’m Tired

@RiotDemon @therealjrn just answer the question!

@Ignorant @RiotDemon
Not yet, I hope to hang on just one more day…

:cough:

If the good Lord wills it.

@Ignorant @RiotDemon @therealjrn

If the good Lord wills it

and the creek don’t rise