@lisagd@phendrick Well, if they prefer to be found as a frozen meat popsicle by the search and rescue team in the morning, who are we to argue? At least their dependents will have a shiny phone to remember them by.
@phendrick I used to work for Outward Bound so got very good at starting fires in all sorts of conditions 40 below, driving wind, heavy rain… Have not particularly found that skill useful outside of that job. When I camp now I use a stove as backpackers have basically cleared the ground cover to burn it and that isn’t good for the ecology of the area. Where we were in Canada didn’t have that issue of many people. The other Outdoor Adventure programs including other Outward Bound schools I worked for we used stoves except when I worked taking adjudicated youth canoeing across the state of FL.