Hey @seeds, you just happened to run across a new boundary. While we’re still adults and open to discussion that includes all of our favorite words; we’ll be keeping f-bombs out of topic titles and URLs from here on out.
At some time over the past 2 years we reached a general consensus that F-bomb subject lines were doing more damage than good. The positive awareness (of how open/uncensored our forums were) is just not worth establishing while also driving away two-thirds of our audience who think they no longer are a match for participating.
We didn’t tell anyone and in general may have even let some more instances slide. Now that we have a legit scapegoat, we’re blaming @Seeds
@snapster Hmm so that now you are resorting to blaming @seeds for this (thus proving that meh does need goats after all) are you going revive the goat trophy tradition that fell by the wayside a number of goats back?
@Seeds You should have kept your mouth shut and taken credit. I blame you for not recognizing a good opportunity when one falls in your lap. Hey do goats even have laps?
@moonhat South Dakota v. Wayfair is about a state’s right to assign liability for collection and payment of sales and use tax to out of state businesses which have no business location, offices or employees within the state.
Arguments for each party were heard in the Supreme Court last month, and a ruling is expected in June, before the Court adjourns for the summer.
Prescient is “the Quill case” (Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, ca. 1992) in which the Court ruled Quill was not liable for collecting and paying use and/or transaction privilege tax (sales tax).
That’s the short of it. The long of it is much, much more involved.
For what little it’s worth, Mediocre supports a national policy to mandate sales tax collection by medium-size and up online and catalog retailers. Working around travel restrictions and affiliate triggers is a nuisance. Local taxes are important.
@moonhat@ruouttaurmind technically, we consumers are supposed to self assess any sales tax owed to our jurisdictions if the merchant does not collect it on behalf of the state.
NewEgg just made a huge client faux pas. They chose to report all sales in CT to the DOR for the past two or three years, rather than collect it. People were getting fined and interest on top of the taxes they failed to pay – the emails weren’t pretty!
(I don’t think NewEgg has nexus in CT, but I am not sure.)
@mikibell@moonhat@ruouttaurmind I think newegg reached a settlement for the state to ignore their previous reporting in exchange for newegg collecting sales tax sometime moving forward.
@moonhat@ruouttaurmind@snapster NewEgg is trying to make it right for the customer, yes. I only purchased $6 worth of stuff, so I was under the threshold.
Mediocre supports a national policy to mandate sales tax collection by medium-size and up
I’m curious what you consider “medium-size and up”? Is this a test of revenue or number of employees, or?
Given the current process, it would be prohibitive for my company to begin assessing and reporting sales and use tax across all jurisdictions. It’s a matter of staffing for me. Though I acknowledge this may be more a fear of the great unknown than actual knowledge of what will be involved.
Within my home state, and I’m sure many others, the state acts as a clearinghouse for TPT collection and disbursement among the various municipalities (town, city, county, state). We are still required to report on origin of revenues, however. Reconciling, calculating and reporting, preparing forms and submitting payments currently requires around 45 minutes to an hour. Negligible, surely.
My concern is multiplying that by 35x or 40x if we were required to report out of state sales. Suddenly I’m looking at the possibility of adding another headcount just to keep track of sales/use tax.
EDIT: Perhaps implementation of such tax reporting should include a federal reporting process similar to the state process I currently work within? The US Treasury via IRS would become a clearinghouse for reporting and disbursement much the way my state dept. of revneue currently handles this?
In it’s most rigid implementation, this ruling could potentially even affect casual eBay and Etsy sellers.
@ruouttaurmind I think it’s possible to argue that the market for third-party cloud-based transaction tools could close the gap for even small business today. But until that’s more obvious, I would say to delay it with a schedule like this:
2019 revenue: $20M or greater
2020 revenue: $10M or greater
2022 revenue: $5M or greater
2025 revenue: $1M or greater
the market for third-party cloud-based transaction tools could close the gap for even small business
Much like the cloud based payroll services currently available. Good thought.
If I were more motivated, this could be a potential business op. Though I’m sure HIG (via QuickBooks) is well ahead of this curve and ready to begin romancing small business TPT reporting if things turn that way.
@ruouttaurmind@snapster we (the company for which I work) use Vertex in the cloud to track our sales tax by lines of business and for a variety of jurisdictions, it is some complicated information! From what I have heard from the filers, it is a nice reporting engine. Not advocating it, but Vertex is already a market leader in tax software, with a cloud solution
P.S. I am not a tax person, just have to understand it for integration with our billing software…
@ruouttaurmind@snapster Its freeping unconstitutional. Restraints on interstate trade, making residents of a state ‘subjects’ whose interaction with people and businesses in other states can be taxed (call it a ‘use’ tax or whatever to get around ‘sales’ tax restrictions) simply because they live there. Its as grotesque as the VAT taxes the europeans are so fond of. Its an abomination. It should not be allowed.
@duodec Obvs municipalities justify it by crying “lost revenue” because stuff which used to be purchased locally and thereby subject to sales tax, has substantially migrated to online sales.
So, yes, I get that tax revenues are down because of online sales… but I think this strategy isn’t the proper solution. But let’s face it: municipal operating costs haven’t gone down just because local retail sales have.
If they don’t recover the lost funds this way, they will just raise local sales tax, property tax, income tax, vehicle registration tax, or (Insert your least favorite tax here). One way or another, they’re gonna get their pound of flesh.
@ruouttaurmind You think they’re not doing all of those things too? And implementing or increasing soda tax and ammo tax and luxury tax and entertainment tax and hotel room tax and employer tax and gas tax and toll increases and license costs and fee increases, along with using law enforcement as revenue enhancement through huge penalty increases. How long will it be before counties start demanding the same, so f*cking crook county says I owe them sales tax on the stuff I drove up to Lake county to buy because the taxes there are lower. Then maybe the cities and townships! Won’t that be fun.
Just because I live somewhere should not entitle the governmental units that serve (ha!) the area tax every damn thing I buy. And that used to be understood until the faux ‘use’ taxes started popping up (unsurprisingly ill-annoy jumped on that bandwagon early, but of course that is also not ever enough).
Hey @seeds, you just happened to run across a new boundary. While we’re still adults and open to discussion that includes all of our favorite words; we’ll be keeping f-bombs out of topic titles and URLs from here on out.
ETA - Growing up sucks.
/giphy flame away
@Thumperchick
Saw this thread, thought nothing of it.
Came back and saw your post.
Just noticed the URL.
@PlacidPenguin We figured letting this one be contradictory would be worth the entertainment value.
@Thumperchick
Is working for Meh not entertaining enough for you?
@PlacidPenguin Oh, it is every bit as informative and entertaining as expected. Also, these folks work their asses off.
@Thumperchick
At some time over the past 2 years we reached a general consensus that F-bomb subject lines were doing more damage than good. The positive awareness (of how open/uncensored our forums were) is just not worth establishing while also driving away two-thirds of our audience who think they no longer are a match for participating.
We didn’t tell anyone and in general may have even let some more instances slide. Now that we have a legit scapegoat, we’re blaming @Seeds
You’re the Best @Seeds
/giphy scapegoat
also, now that we have a slippery slope going, let’s tack on that we don’t necessarily mean just f-bombs.
on the bright side, it’s just the fucking subject lines we’re defending.
@snapster
Is that so that @carl669 doesn’t come after you?
@PlacidPenguin I was more thinking about all the memes I would miss out on.
@carl669 @PlacidPenguin @snapster
/giphy I am fucking displeased.
Happy to take the blame as the official ruiner of fuckin titles though.
Instinctively, I began censoring my own titles here a month or two ago.
Fuckers.
@snapster Hmm so that now you are resorting to blaming @seeds for this (thus proving that meh does need goats after all) are you going revive the goat trophy tradition that fell by the wayside a number of goats back?
@Kidsandliz @snapster I am capra suprezmo
@Seeds you are goat cheese???
The cheese stands alone
The cheese stands alone
Heigh-ho, the dairy-o
The cheese stands alone
@Kidsandliz is that really a cheese? I need to try it if so.
@MrsPavlov Mrs Pavlov, I hope you and your husband are doing well and see the value I’d offer to a future society.
@Seeds according to google anyway. And here I had thought you had done that on purpose.
@Kidsandliz @Seeds
Goat cheese? Yeah.
Actually, there’s some interesting family history regarding the dairy business, but I’m not going to start going into details.
@Kidsandliz haha nope, just trying to string words together with a very basic understanding of ancient latin.
@Seeds You should have kept your mouth shut and taken credit. I blame you for not recognizing a good opportunity when one falls in your lap. Hey do goats even have laps?
@Kidsandliz I certainly don’t
well, fuck.
but not in the thread title. only in the thread. so, fuck away in here y’all.
@carl669 About time you logged in.
@OldCatLady a ‘fuck’ was censored and i felt the disturbance in the force.
/image permaban
/giphy permaban
Thanks a lot @Seeds
@Ignorant Graag gedaan
And when the Wayfair decision comes through in June, Meh will begin charging sales tax in every state as well.
/giphy growing up is hard to do
@ruouttaurmind
I’d present to pity cry for you, but nah.
*pretend
@ruouttaurmind can you explain the wayfair thing to me, kind of sum up what’s going on?
@moonhat South Dakota v. Wayfair is about a state’s right to assign liability for collection and payment of sales and use tax to out of state businesses which have no business location, offices or employees within the state.
Arguments for each party were heard in the Supreme Court last month, and a ruling is expected in June, before the Court adjourns for the summer.
Prescient is “the Quill case” (Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, ca. 1992) in which the Court ruled Quill was not liable for collecting and paying use and/or transaction privilege tax (sales tax).
That’s the short of it. The long of it is much, much more involved.
For what little it’s worth, Mediocre supports a national policy to mandate sales tax collection by medium-size and up online and catalog retailers. Working around travel restrictions and affiliate triggers is a nuisance. Local taxes are important.
@moonhat @ruouttaurmind technically, we consumers are supposed to self assess any sales tax owed to our jurisdictions if the merchant does not collect it on behalf of the state.
NewEgg just made a huge client faux pas. They chose to report all sales in CT to the DOR for the past two or three years, rather than collect it. People were getting fined and interest on top of the taxes they failed to pay – the emails weren’t pretty!
(I don’t think NewEgg has nexus in CT, but I am not sure.)
@mikibell @moonhat @ruouttaurmind I think newegg reached a settlement for the state to ignore their previous reporting in exchange for newegg collecting sales tax sometime moving forward.
@moonhat @ruouttaurmind @snapster NewEgg is trying to make it right for the customer, yes. I only purchased $6 worth of stuff, so I was under the threshold.
@snapster
I’m curious what you consider “medium-size and up”? Is this a test of revenue or number of employees, or?
Given the current process, it would be prohibitive for my company to begin assessing and reporting sales and use tax across all jurisdictions. It’s a matter of staffing for me. Though I acknowledge this may be more a fear of the great unknown than actual knowledge of what will be involved.
Within my home state, and I’m sure many others, the state acts as a clearinghouse for TPT collection and disbursement among the various municipalities (town, city, county, state). We are still required to report on origin of revenues, however. Reconciling, calculating and reporting, preparing forms and submitting payments currently requires around 45 minutes to an hour. Negligible, surely.
My concern is multiplying that by 35x or 40x if we were required to report out of state sales. Suddenly I’m looking at the possibility of adding another headcount just to keep track of sales/use tax.
EDIT: Perhaps implementation of such tax reporting should include a federal reporting process similar to the state process I currently work within? The US Treasury via IRS would become a clearinghouse for reporting and disbursement much the way my state dept. of revneue currently handles this?
In it’s most rigid implementation, this ruling could potentially even affect casual eBay and Etsy sellers.
@ruouttaurmind I think it’s possible to argue that the market for third-party cloud-based transaction tools could close the gap for even small business today. But until that’s more obvious, I would say to delay it with a schedule like this:
2019 revenue: $20M or greater
2020 revenue: $10M or greater
2022 revenue: $5M or greater
2025 revenue: $1M or greater
@snapster
Much like the cloud based payroll services currently available. Good thought.
If I were more motivated, this could be a potential business op. Though I’m sure HIG (via QuickBooks) is well ahead of this curve and ready to begin romancing small business TPT reporting if things turn that way.
@ruouttaurmind @snapster we (the company for which I work) use Vertex in the cloud to track our sales tax by lines of business and for a variety of jurisdictions, it is some complicated information! From what I have heard from the filers, it is a nice reporting engine. Not advocating it, but Vertex is already a market leader in tax software, with a cloud solution
P.S. I am not a tax person, just have to understand it for integration with our billing software…
@ruouttaurmind @snapster Its freeping unconstitutional. Restraints on interstate trade, making residents of a state ‘subjects’ whose interaction with people and businesses in other states can be taxed (call it a ‘use’ tax or whatever to get around ‘sales’ tax restrictions) simply because they live there. Its as grotesque as the VAT taxes the europeans are so fond of. Its an abomination. It should not be allowed.
@duodec Obvs municipalities justify it by crying “lost revenue” because stuff which used to be purchased locally and thereby subject to sales tax, has substantially migrated to online sales.
So, yes, I get that tax revenues are down because of online sales… but I think this strategy isn’t the proper solution. But let’s face it: municipal operating costs haven’t gone down just because local retail sales have.
If they don’t recover the lost funds this way, they will just raise local sales tax, property tax, income tax, vehicle registration tax, or (Insert your least favorite tax here). One way or another, they’re gonna get their pound of flesh.
@ruouttaurmind You think they’re not doing all of those things too? And implementing or increasing soda tax and ammo tax and luxury tax and entertainment tax and hotel room tax and employer tax and gas tax and toll increases and license costs and fee increases, along with using law enforcement as revenue enhancement through huge penalty increases. How long will it be before counties start demanding the same, so f*cking crook county says I owe them sales tax on the stuff I drove up to Lake county to buy because the taxes there are lower. Then maybe the cities and townships! Won’t that be fun.
Just because I live somewhere should not entitle the governmental units that serve (ha!) the area tax every damn thing I buy. And that used to be understood until the faux ‘use’ taxes started popping up (unsurprisingly ill-annoy jumped on that bandwagon early, but of course that is also not ever enough).
Bit ironic that the old set of rules violates the new rule.
@brhfl
/giphy shhhhhh
@brhfl @Ignorant Shit is rated PG; it’s fuck that means it ends up being rated R.
@narfcake Is that Meh’s official position? Asking for a friend.
@sammydog01 Well it’s the MPAA’s position, at least.
(You’ll have to await word from a staffer for an official position.)
@narfcake
Was doing research on them recently.
If I would have been in California, and the proper part of it, things might have been a bit easier.
@narfcake @sammydog01 The official position is standing. Sometimes sitting. Sometimes rolling around the office via mediocrebot and being an asshole.
@narfcake @Thumperchick So I need to make some test threads?
@sammydog01 @Thumperchick
@sammydog01 Hmm so you planning to test the “no moderation” rule and the " we won’t ban anyone but spammers" rule?
/giphy bereft
I guess it’s official.
/giphy no more fucks to give
/giphy fuck yeah!
@somf69 sje looks just like a friend fo mine
Rules for posting. What’s next?
Rules for how to use a toilet?
@mike808 but if that’s a rule, what will the little old lady that cleans the Target bathrooms when I’m done do with her time?
Does this rule apply to my Fuck-You-Buckaroo Box? Because Fudge-You-Buckaroo sounds even less appropriate…
@shahnm
Don’t be a Futhermocker.
Also, does this mean that Amazon is about to buy Meh?
