Have you seen the movie, *Soylent Green* ? **SPOILER ALERTS***
5So after reading through the “only eating Soylent” thread yesterday, I decided to actually go watch the movie “Soylent Green”.
I assume this movie was probably a half-way decent book, originally. So, what do you do with a decent book? Adapt it to film, of course. The problem is that most dialogue and inner thoughts never work in film form. It takes a good writer or a team of writers to make it work. The acting needs to be top notch too. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it was never a book. I’m too lazy to scroll over 4 inches and search.
After a search online, I found a pirate site that had it available. I clicked play and watched it.
After the slow start, and the monotonous story line droned on for an hour, I was ready to just turn it off. I mean, I know he’s a detective and he’s investigating a murder, and it can’t all be action-packed all the time, but the most interesting point of the film is that he is in a relationship with an escort. I’m not sure how that happened though. She’s the murder victim’s live-in escort. I mean, she’s an escort, but the transition from witness in a murder investigation to lover was very odd. One minute, he’s asking her questions about the murder, and the next, he’s stripping down for bed time ? Maybe there was some dialogue when I wasn’t watching and I missed it, but he basically went straight from questioning her about the murder to getting ready for bed and settling down for the night like they’d been married for 10 years – where the fuck did that relationship come from?
I kept on trucking. Maybe it’ll get better? Right? … guys?
So, his best friend and roommate checks into a facility that euthanizes people, apparently anyway. I thought he was going to a hospital. that’s what it looked like. The entire scene was confusing and left me wondering what the fuck was going on. There was no real explanation as to what was happening until ol’ detective shows up and threatens the orderly with bodily harm. A conversation follows but you can’t hear what’s being said for the most part. The only part you can really hear is “you have to tell them” or something along those lines.
So, that at least piqued my interest. “Oh, what’s that!? A conspiracy!??Well, maybe this film will pay off afterall!” The detective follows his friend’s corpse to the basement where it’s loaded into a garbage truck. He climbs on and sneaks into a processing center that turns out to be Soylent, where his friend and other corpses are being processed as food. A chase ensues and shots are fired, lots of innocents being shot in the back and bullets flying. He kills the main bad guy (typical for the that time in film) and is most likely mortally wounded. The police chief comes in and he tells him “Soylent is people! They need to know!”
Oh man, now the film has some merit. What’s next!?
The end.
Like a 70s porn, it was boom goes the dynamite and fade to black.
I’ve seen a lot of movies. I have watched a lot of independent and low budget films. I’ve spent the past 8 years watching movies and TV shows while I work. I’ve suffered through some horrible movies, but Soylent Green is among the worst.
Why is it so popular? Was it because of Charlton Heston? Was it a successful book that gave the movie illegitimate merit? Either way, don’t bother – unless you’re into awful movies. I’ve seen better acting in Youtube spoofs, but then again, Italian Spiderman was amazing!
have you seen it? What did you think?
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Sorry this ran so long. What started out as a short jab turned into a rant.
TL;DR: Don’t watch it. It’s terrible.
Tyvm. Not Kidding.
Why popular? Charlton in full Moses-mode gets to do the finale with a monumentally silly-fun-horror tagline. Can’t miss!
Make room! Make room!
You had to have lived in the 60’s to get this kind of movie. Remember that half of the audience was stoned. Watch Omega Man next time and note the references to Christianity.
@lordfartfest chuckle… Sorry, I just read your name…
That thought had occurred to me. I know that the 60s and 70s was a horrible time for movies in general. That’s the reason Star Wars was successful. It was an original idea and actually had a decent plot line and convincing acting.
I’m far too young to have experienced the 60s or even the 70s, though I pride myself on the idea that I was born a couple of decades too late, but when I consider the entertainment options available (as far as movies go, anyway), I may be wrong.
@capguncowboy
Actually, the 50’s and 60’s were not a bad time for movies (this film, as some others, has special “camp” status), and roughly the decade prior to the release of Star Wars was, in the opinion of many, the era of the greatest creativity, quality, and weight in American film history.
And Star Wars was part of that insanely creative era, and succeeded because the original “episode 4” is mostly fucking wonderful.
Unfortunately, the combo of Star Wars (unimaginable success) and Heaven’s Gate (unimaginable failure) changed the way films got made, produced, funded, and distributed; and that era of film excellence ended.
Much has been written on this; for for info about that era, you might start here:
Peter Biskind
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easy_Riders,_Raging_Bulls
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0684857081/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470903882&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=easy+riders
William Goldman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventures_in_the_Screen_Trade
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0446391174/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470903935&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=adventures+in+the+screen+trade
Steven Bach
Final Cut: Art, Money, and Ego in the Making of Heaven’s Gate, the Film that Sank United Artists
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1557043744/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470903777&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=final+cut
Short Story/Novella, one of my favorite authors. Interestingly enough, in the story its actually not people. Its made from plankton or algae or whatever as is originally stated in the movie. The big reveal in the book is that the food source is dying in a massive way, and everyone on the planet will shortly starve to death. Thanks for playing.
@givemeyoursoul They do mention that in the movie too
Is the short story any better than the movie?
@givemeyoursoul actually, there was more than one type of soylent in the story. It’s Soylent green that was people, and was in the story as well.
SF/F Geek from way back
@Cerridwyn I’ll have to read it again. I read the story and watched the movie almost back to back and find this difference, but maybe I missed it somehow.
@givemeyoursoul the entire point of the book was about overpopulation, but what do you do when you are starving and you have no land for food. you make giant factories, but then what other things do you do. You allow voluntary euthanasia. and you don’t waste protein.
The same theme can be found in many other books, including Dune, Stranger in a Strange Land, and many others.
When I was in college I watched a lot of movies because they were well-known or whatever, and I found some that I loved (His Girl Friday, The Outlaw Josey Wales, etc.) and some that are terrible swamp turds despite what chumps say (Citizen Kane, Goodfellas, etc.) and some that, at the time, I thought were in the latter category but have since realized are actually in the former (not gonna give examples because it’s embarrassing).
I have worried in the past that Soylent Green was one of those that I just wasn’t in the mood for at the time, but was actually a good movie. So thank you, @capguncowboy, for reassuring me that it was, in fact, a dumb movie that had no plot, moved at a snail’s pace, and was dumb and also stupid. Now I don’t feel compelled to re-watch it.
It was popular because SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!
Also, Charlton Heston in a neck scarf. Never not funny.
@mossygreen
Oh dear. Is he wearing a scarf and a comb-over? All at once?
The Escort became the lover because of the strawberry jam, Bogarts Mutiny was because of Strawberry Ice Cream !!!
I’ll save @narfcake the trouble:
http://shirt.woot.com/offers/vintage-soylent-green
http://shirt.woot.com/offers/fast-soylent-food
http://shirt.woot.com/offers/eat-people-1
http://shirt.woot.com/offers/its-people
I haven’t seen it.
I suspect this movie is notorious because it’s got the twist at a time when you didn’t have to actively avoid spoilers… you just didn’t have access to them. That feeling of surprise and later, knowing secret others don’t, enhances your experience.
There are also popular themes & ideas in society that were reflected in the art of the time that aren’t a thing now in the same way they were a thing then (gov’t conspiracies, nuclear war, space/future food).
@JerseyFrank
/giphy What a twist!
/giphy planet of apes blew it up
@medz I always wished for a full length Planet of the Apes musical… “I hate every ape I see from chimpan-a to chimpan-z…”
I think the twist ending is indeed what makes it so memorable. Heston already had the distinction of being in one of the biggest twist endings of all time (the original “Planet of the Apes”) and this one probably caught even more movie-goers off guard.
I thought “Soyelent Green” was one of those pieces of pop culture where everybody now knows the twist, even if they haven’t seen the actual film. While surprised it was the case, I’m glad you were able to at least get that (the gut-punch of the surprise ending) out of it.
This was not the only SF story at the time that talked about recycling people as they die.
I had a bumper sticker on my car in the early 70’s that said, “Science Fiction Fans Eat Their Dead”