@heartny It’s in line with all these other app companies who think putting an ‘-ly’ at the end of the product type is the new hotness of company names. (Grammarly being another great example)
Biometrics are perfect until they stop working.
I can’t tell you how many customer service calls I would get from iPhone users because they only used face ID to log in, and it just stopped working for them.
@AaronLeeJohnson As I age, my fingerprints are fading. My phone can use a fingerprint to open it and only works about 25% of the time (fortunately, there is an alternative option).
I recently had to get (re-) fingerprinted for renewing a license - they were switching from paper to digital records. Most of my fingers required multiple tries to get an image. For a few, they finally gave up completely.
(Maybe I should consider taking up crime as a retirement hobby… )
So in those murder shows when they find no fingerprints… That doesn’t mean the murderer wore gloves… They might just be older than your average murderer.
This looks like it would make for about a 30 second LockPickingLawyer video…
People afraid of biometrics failing are missing the point, you’re not supposed to never take your keys when you have these locks, they’re just supposed to be easier than getting the key out. That said, I want a lock that’s easier for ME to open not easy for anyone with a sturdy toothpick to open. Might be good enough to keep the kids out of the lego room though.
@bobthenormal People with even 1\10th a professional locksmith’s skill are not skulking around your house trying to surreptitiously get in. Somebody wanting to get into your house is throwing a brick through the back window.
@bobthenormal I installed a keypad lock because I got tired of losing keys during a run and having to retrace my run to find it.
Now you’re telling me I still should bring my key?
…or just hacking this thing in 5 seconds because the developers don’t have a CLUE about security, or more likely, left a back-door with a hard-coded password in place on purpose. This is especially true of devices made in the 5-letter country that starts with a “C”. The US government has rightfully pointed this out when proposing banning TP-Link, Huawei, DJI and others from that country.
@pakopako Nobody is trying to bump key your back door either. Nobody is trying to break into your house with sophisticated and skilled surreptitious attacks. If they are, you’ve got much bigger problems than choosing a smart-lock.
There are a dozen easier ways to get into your house quietly than defeating a lock.
@bobthenormal@kittykat9180@NoIRK that is long time for LPL to pick a lock, especially with the specialized tool. A normal person would need much longer.
@Konraden@pakopako Around here, the number one way that entry is gained is via a crowbar or its equivalent. Even a long-throw deadbolt won’t stop that attack against a typical residential door, and an experienced burglar can have such a door open rather quietly in under 10 seconds most of the time. Breaking a window becomes the choice when it looks like there might be an alarm system, or they aren’t carrying a decent bar.
@kittykat9180@NoIRK joking aside that video is a big endorsement for this one as far as pick resistance! If I needed it I would get one… I’m curious to check out the digital security and see if it’s as decent as the lock… I don’t have time to mess with it right now though.
And to the haters talking about physical breakins-having a quality lock isn’t a singular point of security. You can actually use it WITH other security devices. For example if you take all the things you get in irks and lay them all about your front yard to rot in the weather, thieves will see this and know you waste all your money on meh so you don’t have anything to steal.
@kittykat9180 well that’s the ideal, but if you don’t want to take your key at least take a lock pick set and learn to pick locks, just in case, then you’ll never have to worry!
@aciarlotta@Konraden let’s be fair, the government wants to ban Chinese devices not because they have backdoors, but because they don’t have access to those backdoors and want you to buy the ones that they control… your option is who, not if.
The hypocrisy of accusing tplink routers of insecure recently was absolute peak as at the exact same time a very popular Taiwanese router (no hate on Taiwan but also they’re our buddies so no chance we’ll be banning them) was found to have a massive, firmware level (ie. impossible to fix for users) obviously designed and BUILT IN back door… Like an actual “here NSA, as you requested”. And the company, DLink, instead of just doing a simple firmware update to remove it was like oh it’s end of life suckas buy our new one! Lol. And they’re well known for having the absolute worst security in routers, yet the government talks about tplink.
If you really want to know why they want to ban TP link specifically, it’s because most TP link routers don’t lock down the bootloaders enough to prevent hackers from replacing the firmware with actually secure, open source firmware. The most secure routers on a budget are the ones you can put openwrt on
And similar to the android ecosystem (remember the trump threatened bans on “insecure” android phones? What a coincidence they were also ones where the firmware could be replaced…) manufacturers who let users actually control their hardware are being blackballed by governments.
Unfortunately no one, China or the US, has any interest in normal people having access to security.
I’ve spent my entire adult life working in IT, 20 of it in Quality Assurance. There’s a reason the only smart device I own is my TV. If you need to depend on a device, the less smart then better.
@zollars23 I win, kinda, sorta. The last time we needed a replacement TV, Best Buy was still selling one model of dumb TV. It didn’t sell well because it had below average picture quality, but that was a small sacrifice to make to get a 1 meter diagonal TV without a network connection at a reasonable price.
At the time, the only other options were furniture stores and online. The furniture store prices were so insanely high, they still had a few dumb TVs at twice the price. Shipping a TV is expensive.
@hamjudo when I replied my dumb Samsung, no dumb TV’s were available from any brand with an actual name. I almost bought a 55" monitor, but I need ota TV for tornado season. I looked into buying an external dtv tuner, but they’re just Android boxes, so potato potato.
Now monitors are coming in smart flavors, so all I can do is put off the inevitable.
@zollars23 Well, the old tumbler lock in this is probably the least secure part and it seems to natively function in semi-smart mode so there is that I guess.
@ohhwell I mean electronic or not, any lock can be bypassed with a well placed kick. Or a rock through a window. As someone once told me, “Locks only keep an honest man honest.”
@hamjudo@ohhwell@zollars23 my friend has a new LG or TGL that required being online for initializing. It was fine since they wanted Netflix on it any way, but I found it eerie since I’m still not in this ‘always tethered’ world yet.
@hamjudo@pakopako@zollars23 Probably TCL. My in-laws had one of their Google TVs recently and I had to help them because of that. Their wifi didn’t extend to its location 9n their back porch.
Turns out it was able to be set up without network connection but they really buried the option. I don’t remember the details but it was something like at the bottom of the ssid list or something like that. (the set did see all their neighbors’ ssids, their wireless router was at the front of their house)
My point is: I’m probably not going to buy thi as some sort of symbolic stance against technological encroachment. And then, in a month, I’m going to be locked out of my house calling emergency locksmiths rather than tapping a button.
According to the Amazon write up, this uses 4 AAs (included). I imagine that without the batteries, this functions like a regular key-and-lock.
Specs
Product: Lockly Flex Touch Bluetooth Deadbolt Lock with Biometric 3D Fingerprint
Model: PGD7YSN
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$159.99 at Home Depot
Amazon Reviews
Tom’s Guide Review: 4/5
Warranty
Limited 1-Year Mechanical & Finish Warranty and 1-Year Electronics Warranty & Lifetime Technical Support
Estimated Delivery
Monday, Jan 13 - Wednesday, Jan 15
Open up I say!!
@yakkoTDI
@phendrick @yakkoTDI
/giphy flip the bird
Lockly is an odd name. Maybe Locky McLockface would be better?
@heartny It’s in line with all these other app companies who think putting an ‘-ly’ at the end of the product type is the new hotness of company names. (Grammarly being another great example)
Grammarly has been around for like 15 years or so @PooltoyWolf
@haydesigner They probably started the trend!
@heartny Robin of Lockly
@heartny Locklear of Loxly, leading Muckety-Muck of the Loch?
Biometrics are perfect until they stop working.
I can’t tell you how many customer service calls I would get from iPhone users because they only used face ID to log in, and it just stopped working for them.
@AaronLeeJohnson As I age, my fingerprints are fading. My phone can use a fingerprint to open it and only works about 25% of the time (fortunately, there is an alternative option).
I recently had to get (re-) fingerprinted for renewing a license - they were switching from paper to digital records. Most of my fingers required multiple tries to get an image. For a few, they finally gave up completely.
(Maybe I should consider taking up crime as a retirement hobby… )
@AaronLeeJohnson @macromeh I didn’t realize fingerprints faded as you aged…
So in those murder shows when they find no fingerprints… That doesn’t mean the murderer wore gloves… They might just be older than your average murderer.
i want ScarJo to be able to get into my house whenever she wants…
How do i get her finger print?
@phendrick Ask Colin. He obviously knows the trick.
@phendrick @yakkoTDI make friends with Pete Davidson
@yakkoTDI
/buy
@milstarr It worked! Your order number is: nostalgic-compliant-attraction
/showme nostalgic compliant attraction
So you’re saying when it’s The Night When the Lights Went Out in Doorgia, all you’d need is a 9V battery to fix it?
@mehcuda67 don’t trust your soul to no backwoods southern voltage
This looks like it would make for about a 30 second LockPickingLawyer video…
People afraid of biometrics failing are missing the point, you’re not supposed to never take your keys when you have these locks, they’re just supposed to be easier than getting the key out. That said, I want a lock that’s easier for ME to open not easy for anyone with a sturdy toothpick to open. Might be good enough to keep the kids out of the lego room though.
@bobthenormal Lol, someone buy one and ship it to his PO box!
@bobthenormal that was exactly my first thought as well when I saw the traditional key.
@bobthenormal People with even 1\10th a professional locksmith’s skill are not skulking around your house trying to surreptitiously get in. Somebody wanting to get into your house is throwing a brick through the back window.
@bobthenormal I installed a keypad lock because I got tired of losing keys during a run and having to retrace my run to find it.
Now you’re telling me I still should bring my key?
@bobthenormal @Konraden …or just use a bump key on the door without the smart lock.
…or just kicking the door in.
…or just hacking this thing in 5 seconds because the developers don’t have a CLUE about security, or more likely, left a back-door with a hard-coded password in place on purpose. This is especially true of devices made in the 5-letter country that starts with a “C”. The US government has rightfully pointed this out when proposing banning TP-Link, Huawei, DJI and others from that country.
@bobthenormal @kittykat9180 LPL has already tested this one, picked it effortlessly. But he has says it’s better than the rest.
Video for ref
@aciarlotta @bobthenormal Nobody is trying to bump-key your door.
@aciarlotta @bobthenormal @Konraden at least not your front one
@pakopako Nobody is trying to bump key your back door either. Nobody is trying to break into your house with sophisticated and skilled surreptitious attacks. If they are, you’ve got much bigger problems than choosing a smart-lock.
There are a dozen easier ways to get into your house quietly than defeating a lock.
@bobthenormal @kittykat9180 @NoIRK that is long time for LPL to pick a lock, especially with the specialized tool. A normal person would need much longer.
@Konraden @pakopako Around here, the number one way that entry is gained is via a crowbar or its equivalent. Even a long-throw deadbolt won’t stop that attack against a typical residential door, and an experienced burglar can have such a door open rather quietly in under 10 seconds most of the time. Breaking a window becomes the choice when it looks like there might be an alarm system, or they aren’t carrying a decent bar.
@Konraden @pakopako @werehatrack my alarm is triggered by the sound of breaking glass.
@kittykat9180 @Konraden @pakopako @werehatrack have you tested that theory?
@bobthenormal @jandrese @kittykat9180 yeah we are in process of buying our first home and this is the first thing I have bought for the home.
@kittykat9180 @NoIRK joking aside that video is a big endorsement for this one as far as pick resistance! If I needed it I would get one… I’m curious to check out the digital security and see if it’s as decent as the lock… I don’t have time to mess with it right now though.
And to the haters talking about physical breakins-having a quality lock isn’t a singular point of security. You can actually use it WITH other security devices. For example if you take all the things you get in irks and lay them all about your front yard to rot in the weather, thieves will see this and know you waste all your money on meh so you don’t have anything to steal.
@kittykat9180 well that’s the ideal, but if you don’t want to take your key at least take a lock pick set and learn to pick locks, just in case, then you’ll never have to worry!
@aciarlotta @Konraden let’s be fair, the government wants to ban Chinese devices not because they have backdoors, but because they don’t have access to those backdoors and want you to buy the ones that they control… your option is who, not if.
The hypocrisy of accusing tplink routers of insecure recently was absolute peak as at the exact same time a very popular Taiwanese router (no hate on Taiwan but also they’re our buddies so no chance we’ll be banning them) was found to have a massive, firmware level (ie. impossible to fix for users) obviously designed and BUILT IN back door… Like an actual “here NSA, as you requested”. And the company, DLink, instead of just doing a simple firmware update to remove it was like oh it’s end of life suckas buy our new one! Lol. And they’re well known for having the absolute worst security in routers, yet the government talks about tplink.
If you really want to know why they want to ban TP link specifically, it’s because most TP link routers don’t lock down the bootloaders enough to prevent hackers from replacing the firmware with actually secure, open source firmware. The most secure routers on a budget are the ones you can put openwrt on
And similar to the android ecosystem (remember the trump threatened bans on “insecure” android phones? What a coincidence they were also ones where the firmware could be replaced…) manufacturers who let users actually control their hardware are being blackballed by governments.
Unfortunately no one, China or the US, has any interest in normal people having access to security.
I’ve spent my entire adult life working in IT, 20 of it in Quality Assurance. There’s a reason the only smart device I own is my TV. If you need to depend on a device, the less smart then better.
@zollars23 I win, kinda, sorta. The last time we needed a replacement TV, Best Buy was still selling one model of dumb TV. It didn’t sell well because it had below average picture quality, but that was a small sacrifice to make to get a 1 meter diagonal TV without a network connection at a reasonable price.
At the time, the only other options were furniture stores and online. The furniture store prices were so insanely high, they still had a few dumb TVs at twice the price. Shipping a TV is expensive.
@hamjudo when I replied my dumb Samsung, no dumb TV’s were available from any brand with an actual name. I almost bought a 55" monitor, but I need ota TV for tornado season. I looked into buying an external dtv tuner, but they’re just Android boxes, so potato potato.
Now monitors are coming in smart flavors, so all I can do is put off the inevitable.
@zollars23 Well, the old tumbler lock in this is probably the least secure part and it seems to natively function in semi-smart mode so there is that I guess.
@hamjudo @zollars23 Can’t you just not connect the TV to your network?
@hamjudo @zollars23 Can’t you just not connect the device to your network?
@ohhwell I mean electronic or not, any lock can be bypassed with a well placed kick. Or a rock through a window. As someone once told me, “Locks only keep an honest man honest.”
@hamjudo @ohhwell @zollars23 my friend has a new LG or TGL that required being online for initializing. It was fine since they wanted Netflix on it any way, but I found it eerie since I’m still not in this ‘always tethered’ world yet.
@hamjudo @pakopako @zollars23 Probably TCL. My in-laws had one of their Google TVs recently and I had to help them because of that. Their wifi didn’t extend to its location 9n their back porch.
Turns out it was able to be set up without network connection but they really buried the option. I don’t remember the details but it was something like at the bottom of the ssid list or something like that. (the set did see all their neighbors’ ssids, their wireless router was at the front of their house)
No thank you Big Brother.
Deal Checker (Mozilla) gives the Amazon reviews a D and an adjusted rating of 2 stars FWIW
@jmkiii I’ve stopped trusting Mozilla for this sort of information. Here’s what ReviewMeta says https://reviewmeta.com/amazon/B0B7RLBGST
According to the Amazon write up, this uses 4 AAs (included). I imagine that without the batteries, this functions like a regular key-and-lock.
@pakopako That would be preferable to the type whose dead-battery behavior is “unlocked”.
Smart device, eh? Can you run Doom on it?
A surprisingly well reviewed product for Meh. I’m in for one.
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