I’m not ashamed to admit that I had to look up what the heck pugnacity meant! I hated school (except for any and all art classes and the social aspect) English class (along with history) was definitely one of the most frustrating for me!
So many people to hate, so little time.
If there’s an apostrophe hell this has to be it. If you see that fellow with his banner, ask him, “Why do you ♥ the apostrophe so much? Repent and believe in grammar.”
@Kyeh@mehcuda67@PooltoyWolf Yeah, you’re definitely right, i probably should have written “poster-making materials.” Whatever it is, they let those “morans” attempt to put words on it, an unforgivable transgression!
yeah, that’s my take on it too. Each of the ‘apostrophes’ are modifiers of the next/previous one until you get to one without the apostrophe. Leaves only about a half dozen folks to hate!
As a former teacher, I try so hard to write correctly, and I’m guilty of cringing at things like “I could care less.”
But at the same time I’m far from perfect, so I resist any urges to police others. Sometimes I just don’t pay enough attention in casual forum settings, and then I feel the need to correct myself or pray no one thinks I’m an idiot.
However, I will let Weird Al speak for me about Word Crimes. This is one of my favorites from him!
@Kyeh me too! And of course I just posted something on another thread and accidentally used your instead of you’re. Ugh.
After re-reading it outside of the 5 minute editing window, I totally cringed and had to correct myself.
I absolutely know the difference between your and you’re, to, two and too, and they’re, there and their.
(And I’m sure this has errors as well. Now I’m paranoid, lol!)
@k4evryng I’m a copy editor, so I have an excuse for wanting to be perfect. It can make reading challenging because I notice so many mistakes; I had to stop reading one book because it was so full of grammatical errors. Of course, I’m the person who edits Wikipedia articles for fun and thinks the Washington Post’s standards have slipped because one article had a misused comma and another one had an extraneous hyphen.
@lisagd What a cool job! I can definitely see how it might be difficult to read less than perfect grammar, especially when reading for enjoyment. I bet reading in casual forums makes your eyes cross!
I’ve been away from teaching for a long time, and my poor writing shows! I used to be able to diagram a sentence in my sleep. Now I’m an ellipsis and incorrectly placed comma queen.
What I find extremely interesting is how regional language affects the written word. For example, the use of sale instead of sell in a sentence seems to be regional (“I’ve got to sale this car tomorrow”). Or saying “I’m standing on line for tickets” instead of “I’m standing in line”. I see this frequently and when I do, it makes my head hurt. To me, that’s so different than calling sneakers tennis shoes. That’s regional, but doesn’t break any grammatical rules.
Also, how some words that are perpetually written incorrectly then become the accepted version. A lot, for example, has been written as alot so often that I believe it’s become grammatically accepted. That feels so wrong, but I think language is so fluid that changes occur and then become the accepted norm.
So I just try to do the best I can, and I’ve forgotten so much that I’m glad I don’t grade papers anymore. And I could never correct a stranger online (as I’ve seen people often do) because it’s hurtful, and doesn’t really accomplish the intended goal.
(Allow me to apologize in advance for the errors that are surely peppered throughout this. )
@k4evryng@lisagd Hey! It’s nice to make the acquaintance of a fellow abuser of ellipses & commas!
I experience a similar level of distraction while reading, even though it wasn’t my career to blame, just plain ol’ OCD. (I’d get a lot more done if I had a cleaning compulsion! ) Speaking of news outlets, I’ve noticed the people who generate the chyron of my local news station could use a proofreader or two, although even the national news programs aren’t immune. It’s very distracting!
I have trouble getting through the edition of the local newspaper on a frequent basis. Their grammar, sentence structure etc are god-awful on a regular basis. It is evident that some of the lines were copy, cut and pasted and then not cleaned up when they got done.
Mom’s mom was an English teacher which meant her mom indoctrinated her brain for life. Dad was an English major so he already had a grammar police brain. One of the better ways to divert them from yelling at us about something we were in trouble for was to use bring and take wrong or lay, lie, laid, and lain wrong. Drove them nuts. They’d stop yelling at us to correct us and express frustration that we never seemed to learn; how will we ever be successful in life…? About half the time the diversion worked and they never got back to the original rant they were on. Hehehe. I also drove them nuts using a clause within a clause.
could be worse. I use a French sentence when I want to give an example of how tough that language is that goes: Le ver va vers le verre de verre vert.
5 of those words are pronounced the same. It translates to: The worm goes toward(s) the glass of green glass.
My sincere hats off to those of you who know more than one language fluently, and learned them as an adult. I’m a super strong believer in teaching kids at least one other language when they are in the primary grades because it’s too hard when you’re old, lol!
I knew some Polish growing up, because when we would visit for a week or two annually, my mother spoke it with her parents who weren’t too good with English and with her siblings when they didn’t want us kids to hear their gossip or their discussion of how to punish us. :>)
But I would have trouble with understanding more than a half dozen words now, due to lack of practice.
How about words that are both singular and plural, like deer? I cringe when someone says deers, lol!
But others probably cringe when I use fish plurally (ex: I see five fish). I can not make myself say fishes despite it being the correct plural when speaking of different kinds of fish. But fish feels both singular and plural to me in all cases. Please someone tell me I don’t sound like an idiot saying that because that’ll be hard for me to change.
Maybe I should blame Dr. Seuss for One Fish, Two Fish.
@Kyeh I got a new “pair” of kitchen shears and was delighted that they were made to come apart for cleaning. So each piece would be a “scissor” or a “shear” - though they do seem to work best as a pair.
I can’t stand the British rules for pluralization / conjugation. For example, “Google are laying off a lot of people today.” Google is a singular entity made up of many people. If you use the logic, that Google is made up of many people and that’s why they do it makes no sense. Everything is made up of something smaller, so you would never do it any other way.
Even though it’s super complicated and full of contradictions, I am fanatically chauvinistic about the English language. I absolutely LOVE the subtle shades of meaning inherent in all the words and spellings. It’s so rich. It’s fabulous for poetry. I think there are others that sound prettier - Russian, Brazilian Portuguese, French - and I certainly don’t know other languages well, but I love how precise English can be. It also drives me nuts when it’s used to obfuscate, or just used clumsily. Oh, I could go on and on …
You have nothing to apologize for!
Plus I don’t think mistakes, typos, etc. in casual conversations are worthy of scorn, but it IS frustrating that standards for newspapers and news broadcasts, etc. have gotten so lax.
One thing I see pretty often that I hate is when people use no punctuation at all just running their sentences into another for long paragraphs of text I often see this in other forums not so much here I think this is a pretty literate crowd
@k4evryng@MarkDaSpark Yeah - there was a woman on my local NextDoor who did that and someone finally chewed her out for it. She got all defensive about it but changed her ways. She still uses too many caps, though.
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that the English language is as pure as a crib-house whore. It not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary.