@IndifferentDude As of 9:30AM EDT, the sales level was at 20. I’m figuring that it will hit around 150 for the day. I could be wrong.
OBTW, there’s already a category 4 hurricane in the Atlantic, but it is not presently regarded as a hazard to the US. The bread and bog roll supplies should not be impacted.
@IndifferentDude 75 total as of right now…not bad! I could definitely use one of these, but it’s so far outside my budget as to not only be impractical, but impossible heh.
@OnionSoup Generally yes, the 2500gph Intex pump uses 2.1A at 120V (250W), thats about 4 hours of runtime without counting the solar. Most pumps use less energy than this.
@Alereon hmmm… Notice only 200W solar panel actually comes.with this… When I asked last night seeing the 1200W I assumed that was it.
200W wouldn’t be enough would it? And can only be expanded another 200… So whereas the battery generator might work, that solar doesn’t look enough, or is it?
@Alereon@OnionSoup The assumption is that current demand will be intermittent but solar recharge will be daylight-continuous (at varying levels). Whether it will be adequate is a matter of specific conditions; the answer is “Maybe.”
@Alereon@OnionSoup Kinda depends on how many hours you want to run the pump and how much sun you are getting. It could work out fine for a couple hours run time per day.
@Alereon@OnionSoup What I had read online reading about this is that 1 solar panel 6-8 hours to charge the battery, 2 of them and 3-4 hours to charge the battery. I didn’t see anything specific about running it on solar alone if your battery was already out of juice.
@Alereon@OnionSoup This generator isn’t meant to be used while charging, known as “pass through.” So the 200W solar panel can in theory charge a 1200W battery in six hours, assuming you’re getting maximum 200W out of the panel… perfect sun placement for all six hours. In reality, you’re probably going to draw this generator down to something more than zero, and top off with solar. At any rate, the solar panel isn’t meant to keep up while using.
@kagy Actually, when hooked up to a 110VAC source, and placed in UPS mode, it does have pass-through operation. But the solar cell or 12V input charging options do not provide 110VAC to be passed through, so that mode is not available when the unit is being charged from those sources.
@alose I would trust the Jackery to not fail in emergency situations much more than this 90 day warrantied unit. Sometimes the extra $$$ is definitely worth it.
The Amazon comparison is fairly disingenuous… it’s actually unavailable on Amazon and being sold through Amazon by some company with an 80 percent customer rating.
@Perfect_Timing It’s currently the only available offer online for a new unit that we could find. BatteryBiz is at $1899 but out of stock. Costco sold these for $1400:
Lithium ion, not lithium iron phosphate. The solar panel is nice, but the combo of higher price, shorter lifespan in charge cycles (vs LiPO4), and lower capacity than some of the discounted 2000 watt hour power stations that have been offered recently makes this a non starter (ha!) for me.
Note: if you’re only going to use once in a while for power outages, I’m not sure that the lithium ion vs LiPO4 is that big a deal; however, the lithium ion ones should come at a significant discount.
“Many Li-ion batteries can go through around 500 charge and discharge cycles before degrading in performance. LiFePO4 batteries can go through thousands of cycles before their performance begins to drop.”
@yeppers Thanks, that cleared up a lot of questions for me!
The specs I was interested in were
Surge wattage - up to 2400 W for 3 seconds
UPS switching time <10ms
Max solar cell input 400W (with a combiner cable and similar input voltages)
This thing looks like it’s not too shabby for most of the use cases I was considering.
I just bought the 500 watt Coleman on Sidedeal last month for $230. Decent 200 watt panels are about $150ish. This is a meh deal indeed. Granted this is higher wattage and has the UPS, but I didn’t really need the UPS feature.
Would have seriously considered this a few years ago since I seem to lose power every time a squirrel farts. Then we got a whole house generator and I LOVE it!!
The most important item when the power goes out, is lighting and your refrigerator. Most home refrigerators require 2000 Watts to start the compressor in the refrigerator and anywhere from 300 to 800 Watts to continuously run. Same story for an air conditioner, only mention because it was 106 today.
For the same amount of money I bought a propane generator that handles 5000 Watts with surge to 6000.
Add up everything you need to power and see if meets your needs for a few hours not all day. 991 watt Hour battery, not 1200 or more that will trip the inverter or damage.
@craigcush just wanted to say that my 10 year old whirlpool fridge ran fine on a bluetti that only has a 700 watt inverter. The 540 Whr did not last all night but the in rush on the compressor was either not 2kw or the little older bluetti has one heck of an inverter in it.
@craigcush A lot of refrigerators start on way less then 2000W, esp since a regular household plug is rated for 1500W peak, you need that round plug with one angled “pin” to be rated for 2000W. Granted many homes have one of those in the kitchen.
Propane (or gas) generators tend to be better for long-ish outages. However they have the downside of you needing to run them a bit once a month or so after you first run them, plus oils changes. In other words a regular maintenance cycle. They reward you with much higher power output, and if you can get to a gas station (or wherever er you get propane refills from) you can deal with indefinitely long outages.
A 200W panel isn’t going to run anything large (like a fridge) for long. It would be fantastic if your power needs are a light and some phones, but if you run A/C or a fridge 200W per hour for 6~8 hours isn’t powering much more. The 900Wh battery is pretty awesome for short outages.
By comparison a gas generator (granted at 2x the price of this deal) runs 12000W worth of stuff for a hour per gallon of gas, and everything I can be bother to wire in in my house for a day on under 5G (granted that is in winter, so it is running the circulation pump for my heat, but not power hungry A/C, a fridge, 2 freezers, a ton of computers, lighting, and so on).
Generators are loud though, and not a great option if you don’t have an outdoor area to run them, and not easy to wire in. A big ass power bank you keep inside with you, and just plug stuff in, although that makes the solar less useful.
Big ass batteries are way easier to use for less-then-home applications (a fridge plus some lights) & fantastic for camping, esp car camping (although the solar isn’t as useful there).
@craigcush@theonetruestrip I just want to say that you do not get 12KWhr per gallon of gas in your typical consumer genset. It’s closer to 5 KWhr per gallon.
@craigcush Newer fridges are better than the 300-600 watt range.
Ignoring the defrost cycle, my full size whirlpool uses just over 100 watts when it’s running. It just now seems to run all day, everyday.
Now if you need to power a defrost cycle…. That sucks.
I have this. Bought it at Costco last fall. I need to keep my cpap running in case of a power outage. It works great. We bought another solar panel & adapter so it charges faster. We’re happy with it.
This isn’t terrible. The $1600 and $1400 prices are laughable of course. At least this one is lithium based. This should have no problem running a small dorm fridge and recharging devices indefinitely as long as you get some syne during the day.
I am in the market for this kind of a thing, but can’t justify $600 for this when $900 would get an Ecoflow Delta 2 (more capacity, more power, LifePO battery) with a 220W solar panel. Also more warranty.
Mostly the LifePO battery is the big difference, with the important properties:
much less likely to swell up and turn into a fire and
@ravenblack Realistically how many charge cycles are you expecting with this? What is your use case? If you are using it every day I would spring for a name brand pack instead of the Meh special.
@ravenblack Yeah, that or the Bluetti AC180 and 200 Watt panel for $850 on amazon are a good deal on a much better unit. BUT, the specs are not THAT much higher that some people would justify paying half again as much I would imagine.
I personally would much rather have the LifePO4 systems with a full warranty but not everyone would.
@dave it really is like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory then… With little oompa-loompa running around in wonderment singing songs of caution as they fill IRKs.
@GetOneMehPerDay The Ah delivery capability will depend upon the voltage at which you are measuring it; the overall capacity is 991Wh (at the battery assembly itself) and the device output limit for continuous drain is 1200W, so if you start from a full charge, the approximate runtime at that power level is about 45 minutes. Since you’ll only reach that drain level on the 110V AC outputs, it equates to about 8.2Ah at 110V.
The unit can use any 110V AC source for charging and/or pass-through, so powering it from a gas generator poses no special issues.
Yes, you could plug the 110V AC input of any common UPS into the output of this unit, and achieve an extended uninterrupted-power run as a result.
To answer the unstated question that I think you were really trying to ask, the unit has a “UPS Mode” that can be activated when connected to an AC source. The description seems to imply that with a 110V AC input available of at least 12 amp capacity, the unit operates in pass-through mode until the source current drops below the output side’s load demand, at which point it picks up the load using its internal batteries and inverter. That’s the way most consumer- and small-office-grade UPS units work. The switching time was not given in what I was able to quickly scan.
Specs
Product: Energizer Ultimate Powersource Pro Solar Bundle
Model: ENBG1000BUN
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$1599.99 at Amazon
Was $1399.99 at Costco
Warranty
2-Year Battery Biz
Estimated Delivery
Friday, Jul 5 - Monday, Jul 8
I am shocked to see a deal like this!
/showme shocking deal
Stoopid drunken bot!
/showme shocking deal
I predict less than will be 10 sold!
*“less than 10 will be sold”. Late edit late at night (actually early AM).
@IndifferentDude
Fewer
@dannokun @IndifferentDude its inevitable this deal will go further than the less unique deals; this future must be dealt with. #counttheerrors
@IndifferentDude As of 9:30AM EDT, the sales level was at 20. I’m figuring that it will hit around 150 for the day. I could be wrong.
OBTW, there’s already a category 4 hurricane in the Atlantic, but it is not presently regarded as a hazard to the US. The bread and bog roll supplies should not be impacted.
@IndifferentDude @werehatrack They will sell 62 of these.
@IndifferentDude 75 total as of right now…not bad! I could definitely use one of these, but it’s so far outside my budget as to not only be impractical, but impossible heh.
Could this run an above ground pool filter?
@OnionSoup Generally yes, the 2500gph Intex pump uses 2.1A at 120V (250W), thats about 4 hours of runtime without counting the solar. Most pumps use less energy than this.
@Alereon hmmm… Notice only 200W solar panel actually comes.with this… When I asked last night seeing the 1200W I assumed that was it.
200W wouldn’t be enough would it? And can only be expanded another 200… So whereas the battery generator might work, that solar doesn’t look enough, or is it?
@Alereon @OnionSoup The assumption is that current demand will be intermittent but solar recharge will be daylight-continuous (at varying levels). Whether it will be adequate is a matter of specific conditions; the answer is “Maybe.”
@Alereon @OnionSoup Kinda depends on how many hours you want to run the pump and how much sun you are getting. It could work out fine for a couple hours run time per day.
@Alereon @OnionSoup What I had read online reading about this is that 1 solar panel 6-8 hours to charge the battery, 2 of them and 3-4 hours to charge the battery. I didn’t see anything specific about running it on solar alone if your battery was already out of juice.
@Alereon @OnionSoup This generator isn’t meant to be used while charging, known as “pass through.” So the 200W solar panel can in theory charge a 1200W battery in six hours, assuming you’re getting maximum 200W out of the panel… perfect sun placement for all six hours. In reality, you’re probably going to draw this generator down to something more than zero, and top off with solar. At any rate, the solar panel isn’t meant to keep up while using.
@Alereon @kagy yes… So, this will not replace having a wire from the house. I can’t use this to take my pool “off the grid”
@kagy Actually, when hooked up to a 110VAC source, and placed in UPS mode, it does have pass-through operation. But the solar cell or 12V input charging options do not provide 110VAC to be passed through, so that mode is not available when the unit is being charged from those sources.
I’m tempted. We had a power outage from Tuesday night to Friday early evening. It was a pain.
/showme a pain
I have a Jackery, and this is a great deal in comparison.
@alose I would trust the Jackery to not fail in emergency situations much more than this 90 day warrantied unit. Sometimes the extra $$$ is definitely worth it.
@alose @bbf The warranty has been updated; it’s two years.
Would probably be in for $500
The Amazon comparison is fairly disingenuous… it’s actually unavailable on Amazon and being sold through Amazon by some company with an 80 percent customer rating.
@Perfect_Timing It’s currently the only available offer online for a new unit that we could find. BatteryBiz is at $1899 but out of stock. Costco sold these for $1400:
@Perfect_Timing @troy thank you for including the Costco price. Doing great work here, people of meh. Great work.
/showme a solar powered generator that is also a powerbank for $600.
@mediocrebot where do I buy this? This one looks cooler
Actually an awesome price, wonder IF these are Refurbished, Returns, overstock or Blems
VAN MURALS! GROUND SQUIRRELS! SPIT CURLS! AWESOME!
@dahobbs9 nope, these are new
Lithium ion, not lithium iron phosphate. The solar panel is nice, but the combo of higher price, shorter lifespan in charge cycles (vs LiPO4), and lower capacity than some of the discounted 2000 watt hour power stations that have been offered recently makes this a non starter (ha!) for me.
Note: if you’re only going to use once in a while for power outages, I’m not sure that the lithium ion vs LiPO4 is that big a deal; however, the lithium ion ones should come at a significant discount.
@sfwineguy This is Meh. They’re already at a significant discount.
@PooltoyWolf @sfwineguy
moar discountz!
“Many Li-ion batteries can go through around 500 charge and discharge cycles before degrading in performance. LiFePO4 batteries can go through thousands of cycles before their performance begins to drop.”
Here’s the manual for each part of the bundle, back when BatteryBiz apparently sold them through Costco. Scroll down to find the solar panel manual.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0090/0022/2800/files/Energizer_PowerSource_Pro_Solar_Bundle_combined_user_manual.pdf?v=1682538344
@yeppers Thanks, that cleared up a lot of questions for me!
The specs I was interested in were
Surge wattage - up to 2400 W for 3 seconds
UPS switching time <10ms
Max solar cell input 400W (with a combiner cable and similar input voltages)
This thing looks like it’s not too shabby for most of the use cases I was considering.
I just bought the 500 watt Coleman on Sidedeal last month for $230. Decent 200 watt panels are about $150ish. This is a meh deal indeed. Granted this is higher wattage and has the UPS, but I didn’t really need the UPS feature.
@xtrunksiex also, I could be wrong but I believe the model you got has an SLA battery.
@xtrunksiex where the hell are you seeing a decent 200 watt portable panel for $150
@erthian Rereading the post, @xtrunksiex didn’t say they were portable panels.
Standard 200w class panels are definitely possible for under $150; even for around $100 if you catch the right sales like the current 20% off on eBay.
@narfcake @xtrunksiex that’s not really a comparison then. More to it than just the panels.
Wow! It has a 90 day warranty!
@MarkML just long enough to charge that battery once… as long as all 90 days are sunny!
@MarkML @dwightk our mistake – this actually comes with a 2-year warranty
Really want one but don’t really need one. I already have a 5kw gas generator and a little 1.5kw inverter gas generator.
@xterraguy OK…?
@ohhwell Yup!
Would have seriously considered this a few years ago since I seem to lose power every time a squirrel farts. Then we got a whole house generator and I LOVE it!!
Kudos for the last pic, gave me a genuine chuckle.
The most important item when the power goes out, is lighting and your refrigerator. Most home refrigerators require 2000 Watts to start the compressor in the refrigerator and anywhere from 300 to 800 Watts to continuously run. Same story for an air conditioner, only mention because it was 106 today.
For the same amount of money I bought a propane generator that handles 5000 Watts with surge to 6000.
Add up everything you need to power and see if meets your needs for a few hours not all day. 991 watt Hour battery, not 1200 or more that will trip the inverter or damage.
@craigcush just wanted to say that my 10 year old whirlpool fridge ran fine on a bluetti that only has a 700 watt inverter. The 540 Whr did not last all night but the in rush on the compressor was either not 2kw or the little older bluetti has one heck of an inverter in it.
@craigcush A lot of refrigerators start on way less then 2000W, esp since a regular household plug is rated for 1500W peak, you need that round plug with one angled “pin” to be rated for 2000W. Granted many homes have one of those in the kitchen.
Propane (or gas) generators tend to be better for long-ish outages. However they have the downside of you needing to run them a bit once a month or so after you first run them, plus oils changes. In other words a regular maintenance cycle. They reward you with much higher power output, and if you can get to a gas station (or wherever er you get propane refills from) you can deal with indefinitely long outages.
A 200W panel isn’t going to run anything large (like a fridge) for long. It would be fantastic if your power needs are a light and some phones, but if you run A/C or a fridge 200W per hour for 6~8 hours isn’t powering much more. The 900Wh battery is pretty awesome for short outages.
By comparison a gas generator (granted at 2x the price of this deal) runs 12000W worth of stuff for a hour per gallon of gas, and everything I can be bother to wire in in my house for a day on under 5G (granted that is in winter, so it is running the circulation pump for my heat, but not power hungry A/C, a fridge, 2 freezers, a ton of computers, lighting, and so on).
Generators are loud though, and not a great option if you don’t have an outdoor area to run them, and not easy to wire in. A big ass power bank you keep inside with you, and just plug stuff in, although that makes the solar less useful.
Big ass batteries are way easier to use for less-then-home applications (a fridge plus some lights) & fantastic for camping, esp car camping (although the solar isn’t as useful there).
I have both, and use both.
POPSOCKETS! SPA KITS! POLLY POCKETS! AWESOME!
@craigcush @theonetruestrip I just want to say that you do not get 12KWhr per gallon of gas in your typical consumer genset. It’s closer to 5 KWhr per gallon.
@craigcush Newer fridges are better than the 300-600 watt range.
Ignoring the defrost cycle, my full size whirlpool uses just over 100 watts when it’s running. It just now seems to run all day, everyday.
Now if you need to power a defrost cycle…. That sucks.
I have this. Bought it at Costco last fall. I need to keep my cpap running in case of a power outage. It works great. We bought another solar panel & adapter so it charges faster. We’re happy with it.
@lizrr57 Do you mean you got a bigger panel, or you can connect more than one?
@erthian @lizrr57 you can connect one additional panel
This isn’t terrible. The $1600 and $1400 prices are laughable of course. At least this one is lithium based. This should have no problem running a small dorm fridge and recharging devices indefinitely as long as you get some syne during the day.
For two truths and one July, @Joy is clearly a cat, so the lie must be that she can’t eat chocolate.
I am in the market for this kind of a thing, but can’t justify $600 for this when $900 would get an Ecoflow Delta 2 (more capacity, more power, LifePO battery) with a 220W solar panel. Also more warranty.
Mostly the LifePO battery is the big difference, with the important properties:
@ravenblack Realistically how many charge cycles are you expecting with this? What is your use case? If you are using it every day I would spring for a name brand pack instead of the Meh special.
@ravenblack Yeah, that or the Bluetti AC180 and 200 Watt panel for $850 on amazon are a good deal on a much better unit. BUT, the specs are not THAT much higher that some people would justify paying half again as much I would imagine.
I personally would much rather have the LifePO4 systems with a full warranty but not everyone would.
/showme a lifesize concrete badger statue being powered by solar and a battery outside a meh warehouse ready to sell in tomorrow’s deal.
I LOVE it… I’m going to have to cut a few trees down to make room for it though!
@OnionSoup That actually just reveals how tiny our warehouse is (and our warehouse employees)
@dave it really is like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory then… With little oompa-loompa running around in wonderment singing songs of caution as they fill IRKs.
Hi all, no pressure, does anyone already know/willing to research a few clarification points about this?
Thank you!
@GetOneMehPerDay The Ah delivery capability will depend upon the voltage at which you are measuring it; the overall capacity is 991Wh (at the battery assembly itself) and the device output limit for continuous drain is 1200W, so if you start from a full charge, the approximate runtime at that power level is about 45 minutes. Since you’ll only reach that drain level on the 110V AC outputs, it equates to about 8.2Ah at 110V.
The unit can use any 110V AC source for charging and/or pass-through, so powering it from a gas generator poses no special issues.
Yes, you could plug the 110V AC input of any common UPS into the output of this unit, and achieve an extended uninterrupted-power run as a result.
To answer the unstated question that I think you were really trying to ask, the unit has a “UPS Mode” that can be activated when connected to an AC source. The description seems to imply that with a 110V AC input available of at least 12 amp capacity, the unit operates in pass-through mode until the source current drops below the output side’s load demand, at which point it picks up the load using its internal batteries and inverter. That’s the way most consumer- and small-office-grade UPS units work. The switching time was not given in what I was able to quickly scan.
Oh whatever… you win.
/giphy budding-aboard-position
@pmarin looks like I win too?
@pmarin Bet you didn’t even get her phone #.
@phendrick 855-382-5633
A.k.a. Coleman Voyager Pro 1000