@mrchristian true! And that’s a huger max size… In my mind I was visualizing fully enclosed printers, but if you look across MPs lineup I think most are significantly smaller than that one. I don’t own a 3D printer, though, I just casually window shop them, so grain of salt.
One thing I noticed with that, though, is the Dremel seems to only do PLA filament, while others in this price range (and cheaper) offer compatibility with other materials
@Superllama7 Well, the thing is that the only determining factor* in what type of filament material a printer can handle is heat.
The Dremel says it goes up to 230º, which the the lowest temp recommended for most ABS,PETG, or TPUs. It’s not impossible that the Dremel could print these materials, but it’s extremely unlikely.
This could be a soft limitation in the software as a safety feature or something else, so there is an outside chance that the Dremel can go up to higher temps, but for this money it’s not even worth finding out.
@n2o my first was a wanhao duplicator 6 (which MP rebadged as the MP Ultimate, I believe). Upgraded the bejesus out of it. Then I got an MK3s to tide me over while I build my new printer. Also planning on retrofitting the Wanhao with an eensy Rambo board, just haven’t had time.
So 100% with you! MP for cheap, Prusa for cost/performance out of the box, DIY for cost/performance/frustration.
Why would you think this would be in an irk? It’s the first time I’ve ever seen it on here and it’s posted today which is after the mehrathon. If something is in your irk, it’s probably been exhaustively tried to be sold on here that even us mehahokics didn’t buy it or there’s not enough of a product left to hold a daily sale. I mean, I’d be extremely surprised if it did happen.
I was ready to come in here and make fun of the deal, since I’m used to seeing new 3D printers from monoprice being cheaper than this. But looking at reviews ( https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-3d-printers ) it looks like the Dremel (provided you trust refurbished) is a very good deal.
I don’t think I’m ready to pull the $600 trigger, but I’m sure others will.
@Superllama7 I think they updated the map years ago to use population. So the color is a ratio of # sold in that state and the population of that state. Utah’s population being significantly lower than California might have only 1 sold and be a darker color whereas California might have 2 sold and still be light.
Maybe if you guys were selling a good resin printer at this price I’d bite.
For anyone seeing this and are now interested in 3D printing, two things:
3D printing is super awesome and actually can be useful in your life with functional and gift prints for birthdays/holiday’s.
Buy an Ender 3. They are 180 new on eBay, and they are also available at Amazon. It has a bigger build area than this one. After buying and printing upgrades, you’re looking at 250 max. Don’t buy what they have here unless you need an enclosure and are too lazy to build your own
So I’m interested in a good entry unit - I’m fairly tech-savvy and have a natural affinity for these things, but have avoided 3D printers for lack of time and $ and didn’t want another expensive thing sitting around that I don’t have the time to get into.
But I would like to do this now - comments above indicate a range of opinions about this and other units, and I’d love to read them. If nothing else, I’d appreciate a link to a good non-biased primer on getting in, including use of different materials and their (dis)advantages.
@stolicat While I don’t know of any one “good” resource for what you seek, here is my advice:
Figure out what your budget is for getting in to this as a casual hobbyist is. Shop for well reviewed printers in that price range. Buy one.
No matter what you buy you’re going to discover that you didn’t buy the right thing. But the process of arriving at that conclusion is going to help determine what you really want.
Questions you will need to answer (but probably can’t right now) are things like:
What build volume do I really need?
What materials am I working with? Most people are more than happy with just PLA. Maybe you have projects where TPU or ABS might be more useful.
Do I care about speed because I’m printing functional pieces at rapid prototyping? This could dictate hotend/nozzle choices
Do I care about quality because I’m printing highly detailed pieces or display work and want limited post-processing? Maybe a resin/SLA system is more accurate
While you’re learning about 3D printing and figuring out what kind of equipment you really want, you will invariably find things to tweak on your system. My first printer looks nothing like it did when I got it. It’s been upgraded and tweaked extensively along the way (many with parts I designed or found and printed). Today it performs exponentially better than the day I got it, but I hit the limitations. Then I got a printer that met those needs (and didn’t have the same limitations). Now I’m building my own printer (it’s easier than you might think).
My focus, aside from making goofy little things for around the house and cat toys, will probably be functional pieces, tool extensions, specialized fittings for structures and plumbing, repair parts for machinery and furniture, etc., so I’ll be eventually focused on workable layout software and material characteristics.
I’ve been 3D printing for a couple of years now, I’m by no means an expert, but I’d say I’m pretty familiar with the basics.
I agree with the above linked PCMag review’s assessment that this printer’s best application would be in a classroom. It’s designed to be as easy as possible to setup and use, provided you stick with the proprietary (expensive) filaments.
The fact that it has an enclosure means virtually nothing as it lacks a heated bed. Its only purpose really is to (possibly) keep small, curious fingers away from a moving part which happens to be extremely hot.
I haven’t printed with anything but PLA, but I still prefer to heat the bed for better adhesion. However I can easily see myself wanting to try using TPU for things which need a little flex such as phone cases. If I needed a 3D printed part for use outdoors, then printing in ABS is a good idea, etc. There’s no path to any of that with this printer.
In short this will help you learn the basics, and can produce decent prints. However, you can easily do the same for under $200 new with some minor trade-offs.
I talked extensively about the Ender 3 in the linked thread. But it can do everything this printer can and far more for about 1/3rd the price here, but you have to do a bit of assembly and tinkering to get it going.
If you want to avoid any assembly, and only minimal tinkering (bed leveling), the MonoPrice Select Mini II is a great option as well. The build volume will be a bit smaller, and it won’t come with a removable build plate, but again, about 1/3rd the price.
However, I strongly doubt the Dremel printer or any 3D printer on the market now or in the next few years will ever only require that you load filament and print a file without any further user intervention or maintenance. Nozzles get clogged, belts loosen, etc.
Learning how a 3D printer operates and how to fix it will be an essential part of 3D printing for a while. Which is why I still believe the Ender 3 remains the best entry point, with the MPSMII a close second.
When you’re ready for as few more bells and whistles (provided you hadn’t modded your Ender 3 to add them to begin with) A Prusa I3 is a good next step up, which depending on variations or whether you buy a kit or an assembled unit will cost somewhere between half to slightly more expensive than the current offering. Alternatively, you might want to get an entry level resin printer such as the Elegoo Mars.
Fact is, you can buy a new Ender 3, MPSMII, and Elegoo for about the same total investment as this refurb printer. You’d be printing within 10 minutes with the MP, while you assembled your Ender, and got that going, and then you could glove up and get going with the Elegoo too and in that span of time learned far more about 3D printing than the Dremel will ever teach you.
I wouldn’t buy this Dremel. they’re way overpriced. For just a couple hundred more you can get the gold standard of home printers a a kit, the Prusa MK3S ($750 as a kit), that’s brand new. I suggest the kit over the fully assembled model ($1000), not just because it’s cheaper but because you’ll learn a lot of stuff you need to do in doing the assembly itself. You’ll be needing that knowledge when something breaks, and something WILL break no matter how much you spend on a unit.
If you just want to get into the hobby and try it out, you can do that for just $200-$300 with a cheaper printer. The link has good suggestions for all price points, plus the community is really helpful when you hit stumbling blocks.
This Dremel printer was bad from the start. Now they are dumping them. Do not buy.
I got my LulzBot TAZ years ago at their Black Friday sale. It’s expensive but built like a tank and has good support; I have no regrets. Plus it’s open source and uses standard parts and filament. It’s printing some Nano Leaf lights right now.
I have the cash just itching to be blown on something, but this is a bit much for an impulse buy. (I remember my first digital camera at $700. First one I had ever seen, first one anyone at my work had ever seen, and it had a documented design flaw that made it incredibly easy to turn it into a brick, with no remedy from the manufacturer. I have tended to avoid high-dollar impulse buys since then.) But this thread and the links herein are a good starting point for researching which 3D printer to eventually buy.
Remember that before you can do much beyond using files from outside sources that you will need to learn some sort of 3D CAD. The more intricate and precise your ideas, the more knowledge you will need of 3D CAD. I can’t recall anyone stating that 3D CAD is easy for a beginner.
@Joedetroit That was what kept me from buying one as well. Last year I got one as a gift and after about 2 months of playing around with it, I ran out of things that I wanted to print. I’ve had it nearly a year now and still use it from time to time to make a few parts here and there for something broken or to make a custom widget or two. If you have kids, it also comes in handy for some school projects but overall it is a toy (and also a fun hobby).
Edit - If you are considering it, I would recommend an Ender 3 Pro over this one.
How many crappy plastic elephants and baby Yoda plastic figurines does one person need. WTF would I make with this - a new toothbrush handle? A replacement screw top for my 2-Litre bottle of Diet Coke? I mean seriously. This may have industrial applications but WTF are you people making with these that you can’t buy cheaper?
what felt like a zillion tiaras and wands (with swappable “crystals”) for my Ex’s nieces
painters pyramids, dust collectors, various jigs for my home workshop
pieces to upgrade my printer as part of the vicious cycle
electronics enclosures for various projects
To your point though…
A really good friend who is even deeper down the 3D printing rabbit hole than I compared it to whittling. Sure, you can make some useful or interesting things. But ultimately the point of whittling is the pleasure in whittling. There is definitely some utility in 3D printing, but ultimately the joy is the journey (for me at least).
@adwaller I have an Ender 3 Pro as well, and I am into flying quadcopters/drones, so a lot of what I print is various parts and add-ons for those. Plenty of other novelties and trinkets, but for me it’s less a hobby than an enabler of other hobbies.
And I will just echo what others have said: if you want a pricier machine that Just Works (to the extent they exist) there are better choices than this Dremel, but a cheaper unit would be better to just try and see if you like it. The Ender would still be my choice despite its shortcomings, because there are so many other people out there and you can always get help/experience from someone.
I print a lot in TPU, which the Dremel won’t do, but the Ender will after a lot of tinkering with settings. As we speak I have a set of propeller ducts printing for one of these:
I would recommend buying the kit you assemble yourself. Why? Its cheaper and building it helps you repair it in the future.
-Huge community for both the printer and the software
-Prints many different materials and brands
-Huge mod community of parts and upgrades
-Prints pretty large prints before jumping in to the gigantic printer sizes
@sippinndippin Uh, whoa there. Ignoring that this comment even exists (like…whhhy?) a 3d printed penis would be terrible for that. It would be decidedly not body safe, and definitely uncomfortable for a recipient.
It maybe body safe… there are many types of 3D printers including the food ones. I would bet you could find one that would be. (Why the hate about my comment?). Ignoring that it even exists was the wrong thing to put there imo. It was an obvious joke that showed how useless I thought this product is/was? Considering they are 3D printing a neighborhood in Mexico it’s likely safe.
If you must know (and not be a jerk) the comment was inspired by the show Almost Human. In which the protagonist finds all these dead bodies only to discover that they were dolls printed with flat feet (a defect in early human printing, long since corrected).
My wife’s library has this printer, and it’s been nothing but awful. Extruder always getting clogged, and the FIRST one was exhibiting lots of weird behaviors that even Dremel support couldn’t figure out. They ended up sending them another one but even that one still has lots of extruder problems.
Also, Dremel support was kind of hit or miss when they did contact about issues.
@pyroguy7 This explains to me why these are refurbs. They probably have lots of them because they suck. I think the first thing I bought on Woot was a refurbished Zune. It never worked, they sent me my money back. I’ve avoided refurbs every since.
@fairchild521 but think of the joy on their little faces as you explain that they won’t be getting christmas presents for the next few years, but hey, they can design and print all of their own toys, learning valuable and marketable skills?
@mrchristian The 4 (12" cutting width) and the 4 plus (15" cutting width) are out now.
The pro (20" cutting width) is supposed to be released in April or May. The base price for that is supposed to be around $500.
I’m keeping my Silhouette SD and my two Cameo 3s. The 4 does things that the 3 does not, but the 3 does things the 4 does not. I like using a cutting blade and sketch pen or two cutting blades, one set to cut, one set to score, on the same pass.
I think, for me, at least at this point, the 4 would be comparable to my use of my Curio. So far, I’ve just used that for etching. It does a pretty good job on that.
I wasn’t even serious about getting one until I thought about that 20" cutting width.
Interesting thought (Sorry if someone else mentioned this, I read no replies). Temps max at 230, which means PLA only. Though it’s “enclosed”, which really only is needed for ABS. For the price, I’d strongly recommend a CR-10s. Cheaper, and a very solid printer which can do ABS, PETG, PLA, TPE, etc. as well. If you want to print ABS, build your own enclosure, or just print in PETG which is all around better material anyway.
Nooooo!!! I’ve seen an ass that has fallen off before. Everything ends up at the back knees (yes, that was on purpose). I would prefer only frozen off ass photos. That sounds more like just gone instead of gravity accelerated…
@Karpadm76 are you familiar with woot and their BoC’s? If so that’s basically what an IRK is.
They started out here at Meh as Fukubukuro’s or good luck bags, they then changed to Fukobukuro’s or unlucky bags, and their current form is the IRK or Instant Regret Kit (Irk also happens to be the troll mascot of sorts for the site)
@compunaut It’s a good price, and identical to the one on the mothership for $256. Comment at woot bring up the supposed $159 prices on Black Friday, but sounds like a good buy if you want one now. I may just pop for it.
@compunaut@stolicat Now that I’m not on my tablet, I can actually type. Geez, the keyboards on those things are tiny.
Actually, my husband wants it for doing prototypes of things one of our supplier has one of their Chinese factories build for us. I asked him what it was and he tried to explain to me, then just said “stuff for our supplier”.
I guess it’s above my paygrade. lol.
But guess who’ll be setting it up and programming it and running it?
In all honesty? I’d make a baby Groot. I’ve only seen one Star Wars movie and that was when it first came out a long, long time ago. (Since we got Disney+, the Star Wars franchise is on our to watch list; right now we’re making our way through the Marvel universe.)